The deadly Nu-Trek ships vs the badass Prime-Trek ships

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HulkIsHulk
Nu-Trek ships
USS Vengeance (with Khan accompanied by Marcus and co for now), USS Enterprise, USS Kelvin (both Robau and George present) and the Narada (no red matter)
vs
USS Enterprise E (post-refits), USS Defiant (with both Worf and Sisko on board along with the rest of the crew and post-refit as well), USS Voyager and the Scimitar (Viceroy and Shinzon present)
All the ships are at 100% power and the shields and cloaks activated and fully charged when the battle begins. Both groups want to kill each other bad. LET THE BATTLE BEGIN!!!

No Thalaron Radiation for Scimitar.

-Pr-
Just movie feats? Or does tv count too? I'm assuming TV too, seeing as how Voyager was never in the movies.

HulkIsHulk
Yes Tv feats too. And Pr, could you please add no thalaron radiation for Scimitar

-Pr-
Done.

And yeah, Prime-Trek wins.

quanchi112
Movie feats Nu Trek win.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by quanchi112
Movie feats Nu Trek win.
Against Scmitar?

Omega Vision
Narada was only powerful in Nu Trek because its technology was 100 years more advanced than every ship around it--it wasn't even a warship IIRC, it was a mining vessel.

There were many times in the Star Trek TV series (which, ahem, most diehard NuTrek fans probably haven't watched) where it was shown that 100 years made a world of difference in the power of ships. You're matching up 3 23rd century warships plus 1 24th century *mining* vessel vs 3 top of the line 24th century warships. This is spite. It's like putting the Red Baron and two other great WWI aces in their biplanes plus a decent pilot in a lightly armed trainer/light attack plane vs 3 F-22 raptors.

Unless of course you're of the belief that the NuTrek verse was so different from the prime universe that it could make the 100 year tech gap negligible, which would be...well, utterly baseless speculation.

Omega Vision
To illustrate what kind of difference a century of development makes in ships' combat abilities, here's a video of the USS Defiant, a Kirk-era prime universe ship that ended up stranded in the 22nd century Mirror Universe. At one point, while the Defiant was powered down and defenseless a 22nd century warship hit it several times but couldn't do much serious damage. As soon as the Defiant's power was restored it easily dispatched the older ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSDqXGCREw

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Narada was only powerful in Nu Trek because its technology was 100 years more advanced than every ship around it--it wasn't even a warship IIRC, it was a mining vessel.
There were many times in the Star Trek TV series (which, ahem, most diehard NuTrek fans probably haven't watched) where it was shown that 100 years made a world of difference in the power of ships. You're matching up 3 23rd century warships plus 1 24th century *mining* vessel vs 3 top of the line 24th century warships. This is spite. It's like putting the Red Baron and two other great WWI aces in their biplanes plus a decent pilot in a lightly armed trainer/light attack plane vs 3 F-22 raptors.
Unless of course you're of the belief that the NuTrek verse was so different from the prime universe that it could make the 100 year tech gap negligible, which would be...well, utterly baseless speculation.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
To illustrate what kind of difference a century of development makes in ships' combat abilities, here's a video of the USS Defiant, a Kirk-era prime universe ship that ended up stranded in the 22nd century Mirror Universe. At one point, while the Defiant was powered down and defenseless a 22nd century warship hit it several times but couldn't do much serious damage. As soon as the Defiant's power was restored it easily dispatched the older ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSDqXGCREw
Let me get one thing straight. I know the Prime Trek ships will be the favorite in this fight and the Nu-Trek ships are the underdogs. In fact, the Scimitar alone would curbstomp Kelvin and Enterprise together.
Though, there is one thing you don't understand. Put the nu-Enterprise vs the original one and the result would be almost the same as the battle you posted, the new one would crush the old one. The major difference will be that the old crew is more experienced. You know why? The Federation became far more militiarized due to the attack on Kelvin and the weapons are more advanced than the original series because they scanned the tech on Narada, and the data was kept by the escape pods of Kelvin which was used to make the Nu-Trek Federation ships. So they are more advanced than the ships from the same time in the Prime reality and thus making a comparison with the Prime Trek 23d century ships are pointless.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Let me get one thing straight. I know the Prime Trek ships will be the favorite in this fight and the Nu-Trek ships are the underdogs. In fact, the Scimitar alone would curbstomp Kelvin and Enterprise together.
Though, there is one thing you don't understand. Put the nu-Enterprise vs the original one and the result would be almost the same as the battle you posted, the new one would crush the old one. The major difference will be that the old crew is more experienced. You know why? The Federation became far more militiarized due to the attack on Kelvin and the weapons are more advanced than the original series because they scanned the tech on Narada, and the data was kept by the escape pods of Kelvin which was used to make the Nu-Trek Federation ships. So they are more advanced than the ships from the same time in the Prime reality and thus making a comparison with the Prime Trek 23d century ships are pointless.
But you can't quantify how great an improvement there was. Certainly you're not going to suggest that a few scans of a non-military vessel and some elbow grease allowed the NuFederation to advance 100 years or more in military technology in just, what, a decade or maybe two?

-Pr-
The "prime" Federation was plenty militarised due to being at war with the Klingons, then later the Cardassians, then later on with the Borg and the Dominion.

Hell, the Enterprise E and the Defiant were both built to serve combat roles, though the Defiant more-so obviously.

Robtard
Scimitar could solo even without its thalaron weapon, it's a pure 24th century warship, it has no other purpose than killing, many times the weapon banks of other ships, primary and secondary shielding and the kicker, it can fire while cloaked.

HulkIsHulk
Apparently Narada and Enterprise-E fought in the tie in comic? How did that go? Also with Worf doing what he always does, get owned. But apprently he was stabbed from behind and his profile said e was never defeated in a direct atatck. Bullshit

Robtard
Non-Canon stuff, but Nero had the Narada itself create a spike to stab Worf through the guts, due to Nero's concern/fear over Worf's legendary martial and sexual prowess.

The Narada did also cripple the Enterprise-E, but it was a surprise attack right after Data had lowered shields.

-Pr-
The Nerada was OP as shit in the comics, tbh. It decimated most of the ships it came up against iirc.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Apparently Narada and Enterprise-E fought in the tie in comic? How did that go? Also with Worf doing what he always does, get owned. But apprently he was stabbed from behind and his profile said e was never defeated in a direct atatck. Bullshit

Have you watched much of DS9? Worf kicked so much ass in that show it was almost funny.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by -Pr-
The Nerada was OP as shit in the comics, tbh. It decimated most of the ships it came up against iirc.
I've read the comics now, and uggh, I hate those writers more than ever. So much contrived coincidences and new powers for plot. In the movie, Narada could only fire missiles. But in the comics it has disruptor blasts. It could have been so useful for them in the movie. And Nero has telepathy, and could control the ship mentally, and now has controlled tentacles And it only managed to knock our the warp drive for sometimes, so it didn't do much to an unshielded Enterprise.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Have you watched much of DS9? Worf kicked so much ass in that show it was almost funny.
Where he got his ass kicked by the Breen easily? Or when an ancient Klingon knocked him out? Face it, when plot called for it even in DS9 Worf got his ass kicked to show up the bad guys. Its just that TNG did it more. If I want to see Worf kicking ass there are the movies
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He has kicked ass in TNG if need be
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and he was beating Kahless too.
I just meant that Worf was taken out again for the plot. Otherwise how will Narada slow down the Enterprise unless it lowers it shields, and why would it lower its shields in battle?

-Pr-
I don't recall an episode where Worf was beaten easily by Breen. You're not talking about the episode where he and Ezri get captured are you?

Worf was far less "Worfed" in DS9 than he was in TNG.

I do remember him beating numerous Klingons and Jem'Hadar during his four seasons. His single best combat showing is in DS9 too.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't recall an episode where Worf was beaten easily by Breen. You're not talking about the episode where he and Ezri get captured are you?
somewhere around it. He hits a Breen with no effect, who uses a stunstick to take him out
Originally posted by -Pr-
Worf was far less "Worfed" in DS9 than he was in TNG.
Isn't that pretty much common knowledge? I never said he wasn't. Just that its outrageous to think that never happened in DS9 or that he didn't kick ass in TNG. I only meant that the comics continued the tradition of taking Worf out through some outrageous method to advance the plot
Originally posted by -Pr-
I do remember him beating numerous Klingons
I've seen DS9 pilot Way of the Warrior
Originally posted by -Pr-
and Jem'Hadar during his four seasons. His single best combat showing is in DS9 too.
That's been thrown around a lot. I've seen that too

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