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Who's the strongest of these three big names of the Tales of the Jedi era? The greatest of the masters before the rise of Exar and Nomi's generation?


How do they rank?

Thon solidly, I would also put Baas over Jeth just to entertain your question.

Genuinely hard to say tbh

They're all roughly peers of eachother anyway

Jeth edging them out in battle meditation, Thon probably possessing slightly more raw power, and Baas is probably the top duelist of the 3.

Jeth arguably goes down first though :hmm

I'd say Odan-Urr has them all beat in a Force Battle from some of the accolades he's accrued though had you included him.

Thon>Vodo>Jeth, imo.

It's made real clear by Kun that taking down Thon is a much harder feat than any other Jedi Master.

Originally posted by AncientPower
It's made real clear by Kun that taking down Thon wlis much harder than any other Jedi Master.

How so?

Only remember them never meeting

He sends Crado with Oss Wilum to kill Thon and says he will need the help to accomplish it, whereas all the others are just attacked by their own apprentices, he probably would have gone himself if not for his own master still hanging around.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He sends Crado with Oss Wilum to kill Thon and says he will need the help to accomplish it, whereas all the others are just attacked by their own apprentices, he probably would have gone himself if not for his own master still hanging around.

To be fair, he wanted to off Baas personally IIRC and he'd already killed Urr, so we don't exactly know who he'd have sent to deal with what was basically the Grand Master of the Order and "Bane of the Sith" for the last 1000 years.

Though sending Oss Wilum and Crado after Thon doesn't strike me as a wringing endorsement for Thon's overall superiority :hmm

Well yes he killed Odan-Urr himself, probably would have gone himself, he had to kill Vodo out of personal satisfaction. Thon is really powerful, not saying the others aren't but he hand to hand takes on three(?) Hssiss and does well without the Force, these Hssiss are much bigger and presumably stronger than the ones on Korriban.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Well yes he killed Odan-Urr himself, probably would have gone himself, he had to kill Vodo out of personal satisfaction. Thon is really powerful, not saying the others aren't but he hand to hand takes on three Hssiss and does well without the Force, these Hssiss are much bigger and presumably stronger than the ones on Korriban.

Could you post the specific quote where Kun specifically asks the pair to off Thon due to his power?

Because the comic kind of skips straight into the fight from the senate scene without much on how we got there

So what you're positing sounds more like conjecture to me :hmm

Sending Crado with Wilum might have just been him anticipating Sunrider and Sylvar for example?

Like I said, Odan-Urr while lacking in feats to be sure has the accolades in spade to be placed comfortably above Thon anyway :hmm (Grand Master, "bane of the Sith", the Yoda of his day, etc)

Thon also contained the devastation of Ambria to lake Nath

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Thon also contained the devastation of Ambria to lake Nath

Indeed

Which was caused by an amount of Dark Side energy more powerful than any the Order had on record (so, contextually, Naga Sadow's Denarii Nova Solar Flares and the Chain Reaction at Primus Goluud)

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Which was caused by an amount of Dark Side energy more powerful than any the Order had on record (so, contextually, Naga Sadow's Denarii Nova Solar Flares and the Chain Reaction at Primus Goluud)
Holy shit!

Quote please?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Holy shit!

Quote please?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4700003-5697017890-tEJc7.png

3rd paragraph

Makes sense given it razed the planet too

Right, and you're a Bane fan?

http://i.imgur.com/llZurzO.png
http://i.imgur.com/V7bzbdf.png

Have fun

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4700003-5697017890-tEJc7.png

3rd paragraph

Makes sense given it razed the planet too
Thank you very much!

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Right, and you're a Bane fan?

http://i.imgur.com/llZurzO.png
http://i.imgur.com/V7bzbdf.png

Have fun
I already had that quote, hence my interest in the first quote you gave me. But thanks anyways

No problem

You really didn't need that page like I noted though

Planet razing is hilariously energetic and all, akin to Solar Flares and the like either way

Here:

Crado: "What-what do you want me to do Exar? am I supposed to ..kill Master Vodo?"
Exar Kun: "No Crado, go with Oss Wilum. He may need your help, Master Thon will be difficult. Leave Vodo to me..."

Originally posted by AncientPower
Here:

Crado: "What-what do you want me to do Exar? am I supposed to ..kill Master Vodo?"
Exar Kun: "No Crado, go with Oss Wilum. He may need your help, Master Thon will be difficult. Leave Vodo to me..."

Got a page number? :hmm

Eh, I can probably find it myself with the context you've given me anyway.

All the same, wouldn't use this as concrete proof Kun wouldn't have taken on Thon alone.

He was certainly accounting for his awesome power, yes, but Kun could just as easily be interpreted as trying to be efficient in killing the masters simultaneously and not giving them a chance to regroup.

And as he has a personal grudge with Vodo, you can't use this quote to concretely place Thon above Vodo.

Granted, I do give it to Thon, just not exactly an easy fight be it dueling or Force with the accolades Vodo has to his name.

Do think they'd all go down about as easily as Odan-Urr though if Kun bothered to use the Force as he did with the ancient ****er :hmm

Kun was canonically stated to be far more powerful than any Jedi of his time so it would not have mattered who he faced, he'd kill any of them.

I know :maybe

Hell, post massassi drain ritual, he had enough power to somewhat match the combined Jedi Order's Wall of Light given he was only contained to Yavin IV and not outright obliterated like he was 4000 years later from how I understand it

Can't be that far beneath it if you still exist in some form.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123

Like I said, Odan-Urr while lacking in feats to be sure has the accolades in spade to be placed comfortably above Thon anyway :hmm (Grand Master, "bane of the Sith", the Yoda of his day, etc)


My impression was Odan-Urr was wise as heck, and very well studied, but not as combative by nature. He often didn't even carry a lightsaber.

Originally posted by Q99
My impression was Odan-Urr was wise as heck, and very well studied, but not as combative by nature. He often didn't even carry a lightsaber.

Nah

He's more than that

http://i.imgur.com/ykqZMql.png (would include Freedon Nadd, a ****er he used to be one of the Masters for)
http://i.imgur.com/tqbLrk4.png (basically compared to Yoda here in terms of reputation, authority, and all put into the context of power)
http://i.imgur.com/kwK0DOX.png (head of the assembly was basically the grand master before the title was given a name)
http://i.imgur.com/CcTu0my.png (self explanatory)

Hell, he's apparently even considered talented with a lightsaber per Jedi Academy Training Manual

http://i.imgur.com/Q6Z1J4x.png

He's pretty much the TotJ version of Yoda

Obviously not as strong, but certainly inspired by the ****er :hmm

Yeah, the quotes comparing them to Mace/Yoda as far as position within the order, and about the Grand Master thing, aren't overly impressive to me.

Satele Shan was a grand master and would lose to plenty of masters from different eras solidly. Not to shit on Odan-Urr or anything, but he was a scholar, not a warrior.

Originally posted by Trocity
Yeah, the quotes comparing them to Mace/Yoda as far as position within the order, and about the Grand Master thing, aren't overly impressive to me.

How so given the masters you have to work with in his era for powerscaling?

Which is the sole relevant discussion in this thread.

Masters from his era.



And at the time she was granted the title, she was the strongest of hers (prior to the rise of HoT and Barsen'thor)

Doesn't diminish the meaning any

The era and who you can compare the ****ers with are what matter

And he's clearly more than a scholar with everything I posted dude :hmm

I think you might be overrating him a little bit here. He wasn't being compared to Yoda in anything other than rank within the Order, honestly.

I haven't read Tales in a while, but his feats weren't overly impressive.

Sure, he severed captured sith from the Force after the Great Hyperspace War, which is probably where his "bane of the sith" quote comes from, and you supposedly have to be more powerful than your opponent to sever them from the force, and yeah he has battle meditation which is great and all, but I really don't think he has as much going for him as you seem to think.

Not combatively, anyway.

Originally posted by Trocity I think you might be overrating him a little bit here. He wasn't being compared to Yoda in anything other than rank within the Order, honestly.

I'm really not.

The quote discussed his authority and respect in the context of power. Yoda's the modern example they gave. Odan-Urr is an Old Republic example they gave,

Doesn't make Urr Yoda level, does put him a head above characters of his era.

Which is what this thread is dealing with.



He bowled Kun's ass over with a TK/Sever Force combo and basically hunted down the remnants of Sadow's army to strip them of their connection to the force.

So yeah, his feats are sparse, but they're not bad.

I'm also reminded you guys have massive issues with "powerscaling" :hmm

Would Yamcha only be wall level with you? Because that's his best feat ignoring his accolades/power level in Dragon Ball.

Maybe this just makes more sense to me because I do inter-fiction debates, but I sort of feel this should be pretty straight forward *shrugs*



Past thousand years would be inclusive of Freedon Nadd

A ****er Odan-Urr was once one of the masters of per Factfile 90 IIRC.

Freedon Nadd's not exactly a pushover with the number of powers he can use per TotJ Companion.

Mr Crabs AKA Vodo wins