Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the sequences of the films and you can plainly see Maul is faster than Dooku.
LOL Is that your argument? Matching the choreography? Going by that logic Maul is faster than Palpatine, and Mace/Palpatine are the 2 of the slowest duelists in the franchise.
Here show me Maul sword fight faster than this 0:30-0:34:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqeEjv1_eOc
And fight faster than this 1:15-1:25:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pI8IkWa3LQ
^ In that one he's clearly faster than Obi-Wan whose just as fast as Maul. Your denial doesn't change the facts.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't above Maul's level which is a rival to Sheev.
LOL Clearly you missed Sheev Stomping Maul.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul has also taken on two jedi before and skill wise came out on top.
LOL 2 Vastly inferior Jedi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku threatened his allies he never was a serious threat.
He Stomped Kenobi and he's stomped Ventress. Something Maul has failed to do multiple times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yodalost to Sheev as well though.
LOL Yoda matched Sidious in Sabers and in the Force. In fact the script has him winning the Saber fight, which is why one scene Sidious has his Saber but the next scene his Saber's gone but Yoda still has his.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I already went over Maul's superioty and how the abc logic has nothing to with Maul and Dooku.
No, you've just made up things without any proof whatsoever. This whole debate you've failed to post even one video or picture or canon quote to back up any of your claims.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin killed him.
Which has nothing to do with Maul. Maul's consistently failed to outright defeat Kenobi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Once he got angry it was game over.
He was angry before then. He just got even more angry afterwards. And Dooku was getting tired after fighting almost defeating 2 Opponents simultaneously.
In any case Maul's no Anakin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We already went over this and you repeating yourself is pathetic.
Yes and you've repeatedly failed to substantiate any of your claims.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he has good timing just like maul has against Kenobi. Maul isn't Kenobi.
Maul's equal to Kenobi. Dooku's >> Kenobi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Precise style allows this not due to superior quickness.
Dooku moves faster than Obi-Wan/Anakin/Maul as shown in the above videos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ventress is faster than Dooku but not more skilled with a saber.
Ventress is faster than Count frigging Dooku??? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Dooku dances around Opress and Ventress together. Even when Dooku has no weapon Ventress can't hit him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S2bY8JY5Fk
Here Dooku while blind and drugged fights off Ventress+2 Nightsisters:
From 1:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmNivB-ThQY
You frankly have to be stupid after watching them to think Ventress is even as fast as Dooku, let alone faster.
Which is actually more proof Dooker is faster than Maul/Kenobi/Ventress level speed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sheev, Windu. I have also said this multiple times.
You're clearly getting frustrated because of how badly you're losing this debate.
Sheev completely stomped Maul, you're being silly even bringing that up.
Dooku not only lasted longer against Yoda than Maul did against Sheev, but didn't get disarmed and TK Stomped all over the place.
And what about Windu? Are you claiming Count Dooku, someone a whole league above Kenobi, Ventress and Opress can't even fight Windu? LOL Don't be desperate.
He's Older, More experienced and hence greater than Maul. And can in fact fight Windu and Kenobi together. Educate yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ieRQ-4BB4
Originally posted by quanchi112
Taking on Qui and Kenobi.
Pfft that's not even close to Dooku's league.
You want to play a numbers game? Try 3 opponents! While Blind and Drugges! LOL
Originally posted by quanchi112
THe has beaten him multiple times. Fleeing from Maul isn't winning.
LOL It was Maul who fled from Kenobi last time they fought.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul beat him in clone wars.
Nah. He fled form Kenobi in the last fight. Only began beating him in the first fight after Kenobi took time out to help Ventress.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He killed Qui but that doesn't make Kenobi greater than a master who Maul beat.
Obviously. But stomping Kenobi 3/3 times >> than struggling to get even an edge over Kenobi 3/3 times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he started losing after he got him angry. Quit lying.
Prove it. I have the script from Lucas which says differently. Because unlike you I don't just make things up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't as defensive as a style as kenobis.
Oh it is almost just as defensive. It's even more energy efficient but needs to give more ground because it's mainly a one handed style of fencing.
But in Dooku's case that leaves his other hand free for Force attacks(or physical attacks), which Dooku takes full advantage of.
You can see it clearly in this fight:
From 0:14 onwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSO1SjHQfCA
It's also clear in his TCW fight against Obi-Wan and Anakin which I posted above.
Against Ventress & Opress though he was fighting them in a more cramped space, so couldn't give as much ground, which is why he spent more effort dodging their strikes completely.
Funny thing is to defeat Opress, Maul didn't use his normal Offensive style but used Dooku's style (giving ground against a Physically powerful offensive fighter, while deflecting his strikes to the side, and doing it One-Handed, using his free hand to strike Physically- could have also used it for a Tk attack):
@1:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc2SF6RuXUw
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul has always beaten him because he's his superior. Sheev would consider Kenobi a punk not some rival like he did to Maul.
LOL Sheev would Stomp them both combined just the same. Maul wouldn't last any longer than Kenobi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False. We see the movements and that Dooku isn't quicker but more skilled. He can't move as fast as Ventress but he owns her due to being more skilled.
LOL @ the continual desperate unsubstantiated arguments.
Addressed above anyway.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He has. Abc logic. Anakin couldn't take Kenobi but he beat Dooku.
You just owned yourself with that silly point. Backfire.
Dooku almost took out Anakin and Kenobi combined
He's clearly more skilled and faster than either of them. Anakin defeating Dooku (after help from Kenobi) is not something either Kenobi or Maul of capable of. Anakin has "Raw Power" beyond any Jedi or Sith, hence him overpowering beings more powerful than Yoda and Sidious in one episode. And he's been credited as being on Sheev/Yoda/Mace's level in Sabers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Youth is always an advantage.
LOL
Youth doesn't hold a candle to factors such as Experience, Skill and Knowledge of The Force.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin's rage, and aggressive style won and with relative ease. Dooku gets beat by an angry Maul as well.
LOL Maul is no Anakin.
You're being ridiculous saying because Dooku got beat by an offensive fighter one time, after he was outnumbered, therefore, Maul will beat him because he's also an offensive fighter.
Guess what? Wind's an offensive fighter. I guess that means Either Anakin or Maul can beat Sheev in a Saber fight right? Just because they're both "Offensive" fighters as well?!
LMAO
I've broken down your ridiculous argument point by point. And you've still completely failed to point out ANYTHING Maul has done that put's him on Dooku's level.
Instead all you're left with is "Well this one angry guy who fights Offensively eventually beat Dooku after many many attempts, therefore I'm sure My guy whose also Angry and fights Offensively, but without anywhere near the Raw Force Potential, will beat him as well"
You've been owned.