God Doom Vs Emperor Joker

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.



Zack M
Which cosmic wielder wins?

Surtur
Best feat for cosmic Doom? I know he is running on stolen power, so I'm not asking for feats of the people whose power he stole, but specifically feats for what he himself has done with this power.

"Id"
Recreated Franklin Richards, Galactus, and Eternity. Killed Phoenix Force Cyclops, and is the lone force holding reality together.

Galan007
As of now, Joker wins.

He warped the existing universe in his own image. Caused havok all the way up to the 5th dimension(per Mxy.) Destroyed the universe with an ACME bomb. Recreated the universe from scratch, with a gesture. Easily overpowered(and imprisoned) the Spectre-force. Very nearly succeeded in collapsing all universeS, across all timelineS, into a singularity.

Surtur
Originally posted by "Id"
Recreated Franklin Richards, Galactus, and Eternity. Killed Phoenix Force Cyclops, and is the lone force holding reality together.

Just out of curiosity..did the people he recreated show they were just as potent as they were before?

Surtur
Originally posted by Galan007
As of now, Joker wins.

He warped the existing universe in his own image. Caused havok all the way up to the 5th dimension(per Mxy.) Destroyed the universe with an ACME bomb. Recreated the universe from scratch, with a gesture. Easily overpowered(and imprisoned) the Spectre-force. Very nearly succeeded in collapsing all universeS, across all timelineS, into a singularity.

Some of those feats are not from Emperor Joker, who only had 99% of Mxy's power. Likewise, I'm pretty sure some come from the "Worlds Finest" story, which I've seen people say is not canon.

I know Emp Joker did still warp reality on a universal scale.

Galan007
^ ALL of those feats were accomplished by Emperor Joker. srsly

Surtur
Originally posted by Galan007
^ ALL of those feats were accomplished by Emperor Joker. srsly

Sorry my bad, I had thought the bomb one at least was done by Mxy and Batmite.

But yeah..this is a stomp then for Joker.

leonidas
yeah, joker pwns.

Insane Titan
Doom loses, hard.

riv6672
Eternity is an abstract, relatively omnipotent entity representing all time and reality in the universe. It's been around since before the beginning of the actual universe.
Doom recreated that. That's a step up from warping an existing universe. Doom FTW.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by riv6672
Eternity is an abstract, relatively omnipotent entity representing all time and reality in the universe. It's been around since before the beginning of the actual universe.
Doom recreated that. That's a step up from warping an existing universe. Doom FTW.

Joker also recreated, not just an abstract from the universe, but the entire universe......and everything/one in it, including all abstracts contained within.

riv6672
I see what you're saying.
I see Eternity as an abstract OF, not from. Both recreated the same thing, except Doom's had arms, legs, a mind and a voice.
Even if you dont buy off on that though, both are at roughly equal levels. In that scenario (from cosmic to street level) i'd always take Doom over Joker.

Blockythe1guy
Isn't God Doom more powerful then LT as well?

Surtur
Originally posted by riv6672
Eternity is an abstract, relatively omnipotent entity representing all time and reality in the universe. It's been around since before the beginning of the actual universe.
Doom recreated that. That's a step up from warping an existing universe. Doom FTW.

But creating a being like Eternity is actually less impressive then casually recreating the entire universe. Eternity itself can't do that.

Not to mention do we even know the beings Doom created are just as potent as the originals?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Just by power I think EJ wins but couldn't Doom outsmart the Joker. Joker is insane and plays too much, that might give Doom an advantage.

DarkSaint85
Considering Joker matches wits with Batman - he's not exactly easy to trick like Mxy or the Beyonder.

Rao Kal El
EJ wins

MaZeRaIII
May God Doom have mercy upon this mortal.

riv6672
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Just by power I think EJ wins but couldn't Doom outsmart the Joker. Joker is insane and plays too much, that might give Doom an advantage.
Agreed, though i think given the reasoning so far, they're more equal, power wise.

Zack M
Now that Secret Wars has gone on further...

Mindset
Originally posted by Surtur
But creating a being like Eternity is actually less impressive then casually recreating the entire universe. Eternity itself can't do that.

Not to mention do we even know the beings Doom created are just as potent as the originals? Eternity is a universe.

zopzop
Emperor Joker. For some reason, something seems 'off' about God Doom.

Time-Immemorial
Doom wins, but seriously Joker wins.

laughing out loud

psycho gundam
Couldn't Doom easily create whatever device needed to steal Joker's power?

Galan007
Originally posted by Zack M
Now that Secret Wars has gone on further... Now that we're starting to see how fallible God Emperor Doom is, Joker definitely wins.

Mindset
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Couldn't Doom easily create whatever device needed to steal Joker's power? Yes.

Galan007
Dunno. I'd think he would need to have a pretty in-depth understanding of the 5D magic/super-science Mxy uses, in order to steal it from him... Not sure if even Doom would have that type of knowledge on the fly.

...Though I wouldn't put it past him either.

ozz81
What is God Dooms best feat?

Stoic
I'd tend to think that this would depend on which character had a firmer grip on reality.

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by ozz81
What is God Dooms best feat?

Slapping mindset around

SquallX
Been a while since i read Emperor Joker and it's tie ins, but wasn't it implied that Mxy allowed Joker to steal his powers?

Galan007
Nah. Mxy's original plan was to give Joker like 1% of his power. However, Joker duped Mxy into inadvertently giving him 99.9% of it:
http://i.imgur.com/8J6EwOo.jpg

Mr Master
Originally posted by Surtur

But creating a being like Eternity is actually less impressive then casually recreating the entire universe.
... My friend, Eternity's totality (when "Infinity" is not recognized)

is the embodiment of all creation/space-time across the trans-infinite Multiverse.
Originally posted by Surtur

Eternity itself can't do that.

A fraction of Eternity does that, all day, everyday!

http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24387969_Eternity_ALL.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
... My friend, Eternity's totality (when "Infinity" is not recognized)

is the embodiment of all creation/space-time across the trans-infinite Multiverse.

A fraction of Eternity does that, all day, everyday!

http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24387969_Eternity_ALL.jpg
Joker was going to destroy every universe that ever existed or will be.

Essentially the entirety of space time. The infinite hypertime which encompasses everything that is, was or will exist.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/ej21.jpg

Mxy had to reset entire space time to restore everything.

http://i.imgur.com/9mm7VJC.jpg

Eternity gets killed by beyonders who get killed by an explosion that destroyed several hundred thousand universes.

Nothing compared to what Joker can do here.

Galan007
I agree. Unless Doom starts pulling major feats out of his ass, it goes back to what I said a few months ago:

Originally posted by Galan007
As of now, Joker wins.

He warped the existing universe in his own image. Caused havok all the way up to the 5th dimension(per Mxy.) Destroyed the universe with an ACME bomb. Recreated the universe from scratch, with a gesture. Easily overpowered(and imprisoned) the Spectre-force. Very nearly succeeded in collapsing all possible universeS, across all possible timelineS, into a singularity. Etc.

SquallX
Originally posted by Galan007
Nah. Mxy's original plan was to give Joker like 1% of his power. However, Joker duped Mxy into inadvertently giving him 99.9% of it:
http://i.imgur.com/8J6EwOo.jpg

I guess i got the Batmite is part me scene mixed up. I could've swore Mxy did all that because he was bored.

Mr Master
Originally posted by abhilegend

Eternity gets killed by beyonders
who get killed by an explosion that destroyed several hundred thousand universes.
That's one bad ass Joker, but, I was never making a case for Eternity or anyone else.
I was only correcting a claim that wasn't accurate.

As for the Beyonders getting killed by anything less than the LT, is pis to me.
Simple pis Hickman got himself into when he realized there was no logical way to defeat the Beyonders.

Galan007
Originally posted by SquallX
I guess i got the Batmite is part me scene mixed up. I could've swore Mxy did all that because he was bored. Yeah, Mxy still stated that it was unintentional...

Mxy: "You were never meant to have access to all ay 5th dimensional magics. That was my bad. That all got erased... But you apparently held onto one little bit that I want back.":
http://i.imgur.com/itg7KYW.jpg

Later in the same comic, we saw what/who that "one little bit" was:
http://i.imgur.com/GnfEiQf.jpg


ie. Bat-Mite=a fraction of Mxy's own power.

SquallX
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, Mxy still stated that it was unintentional...

Mxy: "You were never meant to have access to all ay 5th dimensional magics. That was my bad. That all got erased... But you apparently held onto one little bit that I want back.":
http://i.imgur.com/itg7KYW.jpg

Later in the same comic, we saw what/who that "one little bit" was:
http://i.imgur.com/GnfEiQf.jpg


ie. Bat-Mite=a fraction of Mxy's own power.

Read that wrong. I thought Mxy purposely gave Joker all his powers because he thought ill be fun.

Mindset
Originally posted by abhilegend
Joker was going to destroy every universe that ever existed or will be.

Essentially the entirety of space time. The infinite hypertime which encompasses everything that is, was or will exist.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/ej21.jpg

Mxy had to reset entire space time to restore everything.

http://i.imgur.com/9mm7VJC.jpg

Eternity gets killed by beyonders who get killed by an explosion that destroyed several hundred thousand universes.

Nothing compared to what Joker can do here. Great post.

Doom wins.

Blockythe1guy
Does that make the Beyonders look more weaker and them killing LT is PIS/Outlier?

Or makes LT more weaker too?

Astner
Originally posted by "Id"
Recreated Franklin Richards, Galactus, and Eternity. Killed Phoenix Force Cyclops, and is the lone force holding reality together.
He didn't recreate them, he just brought them to Battleworld and messed with their memories. And is Eternity still around?

Genii96
Doom has the powers of the beyonders,he shitstomps joker

iceman24567
Joker wins

Adam Grimes
Joker eats him

Diesldude
Originally posted by abhilegend
Joker was going to destroy every universe that ever existed or will be.

Essentially the entirety of space time. The infinite hypertime which encompasses everything that is, was or will exist.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/ej21.jpg

Mxy had to reset entire space time to restore everything.

http://i.imgur.com/9mm7VJC.jpg

Eternity gets killed by beyonders who get killed by an explosion that destroyed several hundred thousand universes.

Nothing compared to what Joker can do here.

Superman bullying mxy should be in the ownage thread, laughing out loud

abhilegend
Superman punched through Emperor Joker.

While holding back.

Imagine punches of that level against feebs like Thor or Surfer? He'd kill them outright.

thumb up

Galan007
I'd also like to add that Mxy later took sole credit for reconstructing the DCU in the wake of Joker's tangent...

"I admitted I goofed! No fair rubbing my nose in the Joker's madness! I made ALL the arrangements to restore the cosmic status quo! I did ALL that could be done!":
http://i.imgur.com/jzx1OdG.jpg


Spectre didn't necessarily help Mxy do so--he just "supervised" the process.

MrMind
Joker ftw

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.