Wonder Woman vs. Black Canary (both powerless)

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StiltmanFTW
Hth, no weapons.

Oh, and they fight naked.

MaZeRaIII
WW.
She was shown to be a better fighter.

abhilegend
Canary wins.

iceman24567
Canary

Konton
Diana. Preboot or not.

StiltmanFTW
Interesting. So atm we have 2 votes for WW, 2 for Canary. Didn't think it'd be so close.

riv6672
I started a similar thread when i first got here (equal bodies, canary cry/lasso). WW was said to be the better at h2h, which was my first exposure to her being more than a gladiator style fighter.

Q99
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Interesting. So atm we have 2 votes for WW, 2 for Canary. Didn't think it'd be so close.

Well, pre-reboot, they were actual sparing partners. In a match with sticks when Canary won, she accused Diana of holding back (and I mean, not in the powers sense, because obviously Dinah notes that if she used her powers than Diana would too and it'd be over so they weren't using powers in the fight, but in the skill sense).

So, pre-reboot, Canary thinks Diana is better but they're close and Dinah can get wins.

This is a real 'both sides can present solid arguments' fight.

riv6672
Let us decide in the usual manner then. Proceed to the name calling!

On the real though, i always thought BC was better, but then i thought WW was trained in some sort of hybrid greco roman style, with sword/shield/bow/spear thrown in.

Q99
Originally posted by riv6672
but then i thought WW was trained in some sort of hybrid greco roman style, with sword/shield/bow/spear thrown in.

As her base, sure.

However, she has a passion for fighting, and trains for fun.

Heck, there was an excellent comic (Welcome to the Working Week) that showed that she brought some villains- including Lady Shiva- to the Watchtower for sparing in exchange for time off their sentences (partially as a way to nudge them towards rehabilitation, of course, but still).


Batman and her have been seen exchanging feedback while sparring as well.

Prof. T.C McAbe
This is just my opinion so bear with me.

If Karate Kid is a 15 and Batman is a 12, I think Wonderwoman would be something like a 10 or 11 max and Black Canary a 9.

riv6672
^^^while not commenting on the ratings you've given (nothing wrong with them), i cant recall what rating system you're using, though i'm sure i've seen it before. Is it an in universe thing?
Anyone?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^while not commenting on the ratings you've given (nothing wrong with them), i cant recall what rating system you're using, though i'm sure i've seen it before. Is it an in universe thing?
Anyone?

It's from Countdown to infinite Crisis. When Batman faught Karate Kid (who has lost his memories) he commented on Clark rating KK as a 15 level MA while rating Bruce as a 12 ^^.

riv6672
Okay, i have read that. Now i just need a Superman fan to explain where Supes got that rating system/what makes him so qualified to judge top tier MAs.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by riv6672
Okay, i have read that. Now i just need a Superman fan to explain where Supes got that rating system/what makes him so qualified to judge top tier MAs.

Superbrain I guess. Though to be honest, as much as it pains me, Karate Kid even without knowing who he is, was better than Bruce.

http://oi29.tinypic.com/654z9w.jpg

riv6672
See, thats my question (thanks for scan). Is Supes using a system established by some other source, or is he the source if the system?
Not meaning to derail, though, i'm asking the question elsewhere. You just made my curiosity tingle.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by riv6672
See, thats my question (thanks for scan). Is Supes using a system established by some other source, or is he the source if the system?
Not meaning to derail, though, i'm asking the question elsewhere. You just made my curiosity tingle.

I think he made it himself tbh. Maybe Karate Kid helped him xD.

Anyway, there was also another system in Countdown from the OMAC files, that was pretty nice, wish they had shown more of it.

https://wtfdccomics.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/20130831-085955.jpg

riv6672
Nice.
They should have done a tie in comic with the character profiles.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Though to be honest, as much as it pains me, Karate Kid even without knowing who he is, was better than Bruce.

They were pretty even. Both landed a few hits and that's it. Sure, KK was acting all cocky and listing Bruce's injuries, but he wasn't doing any better with a beaten up face like Rihanna...

Juntai
Seems to be based on the Coluan rating system, just applied to other stats.

If true, would make KK the MA equivelent to what Brainiac is to intelligence.
Where as Brainiac's lineage are 12th, like Vril or Querl.
Just like Batman's MA level.

The highest we've seen claimed is 16, which is what Brainiac claims every time Lex outsmarts him.
But Lex wastes away his potential trying to rival Superman.

riv6672
^^^thats very interesting, thank you. thumb up

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