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Quentin quire(kid omega) vs charles xavier...who wins..all out fight?

Quire. Simply because he's comparable to Xavier with his TP, and he has TK to rely on as well. And as a potential(and actual) Phoenix host a few times, his power speaks for itself when he's not being a bs'ing as*bag.

Actually I think it was stated he was stronger than xavier and emma,not really sure though..he is also an omega level right?

Skill would also come into play, however. Witness Emma shutting Rachel down, for example.

Quentin shut down emma as well iirc..

There are omega lv mutants and omega lv telepaths. Not sure which one Quire is. Probably both?

Quire is both..

Xavier's feats trump Quire's.

IN feats of pure telepathy, for the most part Xavier does have higher highs. But Quentin's no slouch and he is more than capable of battling Xavier with his own TP while using his TK which puts Charles at a distinct advantage from the moment the fight starts.

Hard to mentally battle someone when the wheelchair you're in is suddenly 40 feet in the air and upside down.

Originally posted by KingD19
IN feats of pure telepathy, for the most part Xavier does have higher highs. But Quentin's no slouch and he is more than capable of battling Xavier with his own TP while using his TK which puts Charles at a distinct advantage from the moment the fight starts.

Hard to mentally battle someone when the wheelchair you're in is suddenly 40 feet in the air and upside down.

Telepathy is really the only power that's needed.

See Emma's fight with Exodus. With someone like Xavier fighting you, Quire's ENTIRE consciousness will be forced into Astral Battling - he wouldn't be able to spare a single thought on using any other powers or anything else besides the psychic battling.

Yeah I'd need feats of Quite being able to telepathically battle someone on the level of Xavier and yet still being able to multi-task and use other powers.


Sounds like this could just be a quick draw though. If X goes for a telepathic attack right away and Quire goes for a TK attack right away...hard to say who would succeed. Xavier might wind up dead while Quire winds up braindead. Technically that could be a win for Quire. Especially since with a mind that powerful it's possible he could eventually come back from such psychic trauma.

The other Quire thread got me thinking about this one. I'm giving it to Xavier. The X-telepaths have had too many upgrades over the years, and Quire has been left behind. They've essentially demoted him to mutant-in-training status again. Rachel came off superior during a brief encounter recently, and he already lost the rematch to the Cuckoos.

Side note: I disagree with the telekinesis argument. He is still referred to as a telepath in the comics, despite the psychic constructs. They've been generally understood as telepathic energy though, similar to some versions of Psylocke's psyblade. Quentin is not a true tp/tk combo user like Jean or something. I don't think it'd be an issue for Charles at all.

Racheal and quentin never fought,he just silently peeked in her mind,and she kicked him out,it wasn't a fight.
His loss to the cuckoos is his only real low end feat as a telepath,he shut down the entire mutant population which included a cerebro enhanced emma, fought off the xmen while simultaneously guiding the phoenix force
Also he is indeed a telekenitic,he reanimated sophia's body among other feats
Also unless I am mistaken,his mind fires off FTL signals,which was an upgrade to his '10 million thoughts a second' era.

I didnt say they fought, but Rachel did give him a nosebleed and had him walking off holding his head in pain. Emma wasn't fighting Quentin when she was in cerebra either.

His loss to the Cuckoos is pretty fair. You're referencing Phoenix Endsong, which, at this point is a high showing. Since then he's lost to Cuckoo's, had his mind control fought by Wolverine, embarrassed by Rachel, blocked by Captain America(who was susceptible to Xavier's telepathy), and hasn't displayed telekinesis of any kind. We're literally talking about 40-50 issues vs 3-4. Quentin is clearly not at that level anymore.

Not only that, but Quentin, enhanced by kick, still used Magneto's helmet to block Xavier. Quire was clearly afraid of an actual fight with the Professor, for good reason.

While they're having the telepathic battle, quire's body walks up to xavier's and pushes over his wheelchair for the win.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I didnt say they fought, but Rachel did give him a nosebleed and had him walking off holding his head in pain. Emma wasn't fighting Quentin when she was in cerebra either.

His loss to the Cuckoos is pretty fair. You're referencing Phoenix Endsong, which, at this point is a high showing. Since then he's lost to Cuckoo's, had his mind control fought by Wolverine, embarrassed by Rachel, blocked by Captain America(who was susceptible to Xavier's telepathy), and hasn't displayed telekinesis of any kind. We're literally talking about 40-50 issues vs 3-4. Quentin is clearly not at that level anymore.

Not only that, but Quentin, enhanced by kick, still used Magneto's helmet to block Xavier. Quire was clearly afraid of an actual fight with the Professor, for good reason.

She gave him a nosebleed because she assaulted him,and he didn't retaliate,of course his head is going to hurt if he got a hit from racheal. Emma was held down telepathically,she couldn't break free,even with cerebro,and it wasn't just her,the entire mutant population was held down too,she was aware,but couldn't break free,next time they met he KO'd her easily, Wolverine never fought his control,he put wolvering and hisako in a telepathic game world he created where he controlled every aspect in there,his subconscious continued while he slept and things got out of hand,after he left the school he easily messed around with wolverine's head during the hell fire club birthday,cap didn't block him,just cuz he had a giant shield in his head dosent mean quire couldn't mindrape him if he wanted,unless there was a retcon I am not aware of,quire never lost his omega level powers,and currently he blocked red onslaught for a full day despite being weakened,created a telepathic gameplay world,which continues even if he sleeps,hell he absorbed wolverine's fighting and flight skills from his mind, wolverine himself admitted that quire could've left the institute when we felt like it,despite claiming that rachael has him 'mind watched'.he also handled that brain girl easily.

The only low feat he has is getting beat by the cuckoos honestly. The same chicks who required kick+cerebro+5 of them to stop him,then the next time he went on a rampage they hid in the closet,then suddenly they improve enough to beat him easily?

Had no idea Qentin is so powerful, I'm only familiar with his abilities from that time when he failed to read Cap's mind.

Originally posted by SamZED
Had no idea Qentin is so powerful, I'm only familiar with his abilities from that time when he failed to read Cap's mind.

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That's like Quire's lowest showing ever and Cap's highest showing ever.

Cap is not even known for his tp resistance.

Tbf, we don't even know if Cap would have been successful in keeping Quire out. He was never called out on his claim.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf, we don't even know if Cap would have been successful in keeping Quire out. He was never called out on his claim.
Yes he was. Cap easily blocked him and his psychic defenses dwarfed Quire.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/AX004-Zone-013_zps66a3dc6d.jpg

Omega Level Mutant? Too bad son. AMERICA!

He said he was welcome to try.

Did he?

Yes, that's the next scene.

Have you the scan? Of him actually going ahead and trying?

What do you think the next panel with Quire standing against a shield is?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What do you think the next panel with Quire standing against a shield is?

Cap inviting him to try.

Does he then try?

Originally posted by SamZED
Had no idea Qentin is so powerful, I'm only familiar with his abilities from that time when he failed to read Cap's mind.
He's strong, but not all of that stuff is true. Or at least it's not the full story.

Red Onslaught's telepathy was being dampened by Iron Man, Xavier was fighting him internally, and he was still broadcasting globally while fighting the Avengers/X-Men/and villains who came later. Quentin was practically about to kill over despite that help. Red Onslaught was on a whole different level than Quire.
Originally posted by Genii96
The only low feat he has is getting beat by the cuckoos honestly. The same chicks who required kick+cerebro+5 of them to stop him,then the next time he went on a rampage they hid in the closet,then suddenly they improve enough to beat him easily?
Sophie(not all of them) used kick because Quentin was already on kick. In the rematch, Quentin was inside cerebra, while the Cuckoo's were unamped. The Cuckoos still won, pointing out that they got stronger. Seems perfectly reasonable.

I'll respond to the rest later. In the meantime, some entertainment. Emma made Quire soil himself.

http://s13.postimg.org/mhwdazwn7/Emma_Quire.jpg

Hehe. Schism was good.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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That's like Quire's lowest showing ever and Cap's highest showing ever.

Cap is not even known for his tp resistance. That is the only showing I've seen so that's the only one that counts!
Cap has also resisted Carnage's mind control better than Ben or Logan.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cap inviting him to try.

Does he then try?
Yes, he was blocked by Cap's mental blocks where we see Quire standing against the huge shield.

Originally posted by SamZED
That is the only showing I've seen so that's the only one that counts!
Cap has also resisted Carnage's mind control better than Ben or Logan.
I know. Again, ridiculous.

Originally posted by StyleTime
He's strong, but not all of that stuff is true. Or at least it's not the full story.

Red Onslaught's telepathy was being dampened by Iron Man, Xavier was fighting him internally, and he was still broadcasting globally while fighting the Avengers/X-Men/and villains who came later. Quentin was practically about to kill over despite that help. Red Onslaught was on a whole different level than Quire.

Sophie(not all of them) used kick because Quentin was already on kick. In the rematch, Quentin was inside cerebra, while the Cuckoo's were unamped. The Cuckoos still won, pointing out that they got stronger. Seems perfectly reasonable.

I'll respond to the rest later. In the meantime, some entertainment. Emma made Quire soil himself.

http://s13.postimg.org/mhwdazwn7/Emma_Quire.jpg

First off,tony's telepathic dampners stopped working long before quentin started blocking him,his armour had run out of power,and he got KOd,waking up the next day,and still couldn't do squat until deadpool recharged him,only then did he reactivate the dampners,quire blocked onslaught throughout....red onslaught himself noted it was quire who was blocking him,

5 girls+cerebro+one kick was what brought down quire,and he wasn't even KO'd..,nex time they met,they hid in closets from him,while be beat up emma frost+cerebro and the entire school....then suddenly only 3 of them beat quire+cerebro?..PIS crap,unless ure saying the cuckoos are 10x above emma frost or something.
Emma frost did that to him with a cheapshot,he was leaving and she hit him with it,mindee oneshotted celeste and phoebe with a cheapshot,adult jean oneshotted kid jean with a cheapshot,kid jean beat adult jean in a telepathic fight prior to that.

Originally posted by Genii96
First off,tony's telepathic dampners stopped working long before quentin started blocking him,his armour had run out of power,and he got KOd,waking up the next day,and still couldn't do squat until deadpool recharged him,only then did he reactivate the dampners,quire blocked onslaught throughout....red onslaught himself noted it was quire who was blocking him,

5 girls+cerebro+one kick was what brought down quire,and he wasn't even KO'd..,nex time they met,they hid in closets from him,while be beat up emma frost+cerebro and the entire school....then suddenly only 3 of them beat quire+cerebro?..PIS crap,unless ure saying the cuckoos are 10x above emma frost or something.
Emma frost did that to him with a cheapshot,he was leaving and she hit him with it,mindee oneshotted celeste and phoebe with a cheapshot,adult jean oneshotted kid jean with a cheapshot,kid jean beat adult jean in a telepathic fight prior to that.
I disagree. Tony's dampeners were in effect the whole time. He applied them at the start of the fight in the 1st two scans. They protected everyone, long before Quentin joined mind you, and last through him passing out. He never ran out of energy until Deadpool showed up much later, then Red Onslaught broke free of both the dampeners and Quentin in the 3rd scan, indicating the dampeners did the bulk of the work and were around the entire time. He didn't reapply anything until Red Onslaught broke free of both. Either way, it wasn't a solo feat for Quentin by any stretch, and he only participated part of the way. Xavier was also fighting Onslaught internally, shown in the last scan.

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That simply allowed them to end the fight in a one-shot, rather than a drawn out battle. The other story points out they got stronger, a perfectly reasonable explanation, and could one shot him without amping.

Endsong Quentin was an outlier, a relic from when was he was supposed to be a transcendant being. He could also exist as an immaterial specter then, fly, and use telekinesis. He's been flesh and blood ever since he rejoined the main cast, hasn't displayed telekinesis, and can't fly(even required a jetpack at school). Once he became a regular character again, he got downgraded to "brat with big potential" again. We're talking over 50 issues here. There's a pretty clear shift. We'd had to accept it with Psylocke when she mysteriously lost her tk, we must accept with Quentin.

(The Emma scan was for laughs.)

Originally posted by Genii96
She gave him a nosebleed because she assaulted him,and he didn't retaliate,of course his head is going to hurt if he got a hit from racheal. Emma was held down telepathically,she couldn't break free,even with cerebro,and it wasn't just her,the entire mutant population was held down too,she was aware,but couldn't break free,next time they met he KO'd her easily, Wolverine never fought his control,he put wolvering and hisako in a telepathic game world he created where he controlled every aspect in there,his subconscious continued while he slept and things got out of hand,after he left the school he easily messed around with wolverine's head during the hell fire club birthday,cap didn't block him,just cuz he had a giant shield in his head dosent mean quire couldn't mindrape him if he wanted,unless there was a retcon I am not aware of,quire never lost his omega level powers,and currently he blocked red onslaught for a full day despite being weakened,created a telepathic gameplay world,which continues even if he sleeps,hell he absorbed wolverine's fighting and flight skills from his mind, wolverine himself admitted that quire could've left the institute when we felt like it,despite claiming that rachael has him 'mind watched'.he also handled that brain girl easily.

She didn't attack him. It looks like he tried to assert his abilities and blew himself out against her mental strength.

http://s17.postimg.org/cxae6367f/Rachel_Punks_Quentin1.jpg-http://s17.postimg.org/8dy5kkobv/Rachel_Punks_Quentin.jpg

Wolverine was fighting the construct, and he was literally hunting Quentin while all this went on. The construct worked yes, but Wolverine was still not under full control. He broke out of the shack here, and proceeded to show up in the school while Quentin hid in various places from him.

http://s17.postimg.org/m3sotdbfv/Wolverine_Berserk.jpg-http://s17.postimg.org/92703in1n/Wolverine_Berserk2.jpg

The Captain America and Quire thing was a really dumb story true. I always interpreted the event as Quentin realized it would be too big a task trying to get into his mind, so he backed down. Quentin was threatening to leave Cap a drooling mess right before then, and he's definitely the type to do it if he could. Maybe it was a low showing, maybe not. Quentin has been pretty neutered these days.

Should be noted that the Avengers, including Captain America, knew they needed to bring actual tp-dampeners when they encountered Rachel in AvX 131

Smh at AVX's Drew's psishields...