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Shisami:
http://i.imgur.com/v7f6Yum.png


VS.


Round 1:
Imperfect Cell (peak):
http://i.imgur.com/eGrZZgw.gif



Round 2:
Semi-Perfect Cell:
http://i.imgur.com/vcJ4rHp.gif



Round 3:
1 Cell Junior
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*Shisami is the member of Freeza's army who was stomping on Piccolo in RoF, until SSJ Gohan intervened.


Who wins?

He'd struggle with first form cell only to get penetrated by his next form.

^ Remember, Piccolo trained in the RoSaT after his fight with #17. There were also about 12 years between the Cell Games and RoF, and Piccolo kept up his training regimen during that time... So I'd assume his PL increased considerably.

...And Shisami seemed slightly more powerful than him. srug

Yeah I took the room training into consideration, but given how dominating first form cell was, to just eat his previous full power and not feel, I can't imaging piccolo could've progressed too much farther, even if I could see him beating that first form.

Shisami did seem a little stronger, but I couldn't use any empirical evidence to argue that he'd be a match for second form cell.

Yeah, Piccolo was equal to #17 prior to entering the RoSaT. So factoring in the RoSaT+12 additional years of training, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Piccolo's power had increased beyond ASSJ-level, but still below FPSSJ Goku/Gohan-level. After all, we have no reason to believe he had plateaued or w/e--he just stopped being relevant in the series. Likewise, I'd probably rank Shisami in the same general tier(albeit slightly more powerful.)

However, I made this thread because I've seen a very broad range that people rank RoF-era Piccolo(and subsequently, Shisami) in, so I just wanted to see what the consensus here is.

See that's very hard to do though. There exists no showings to back that up since his last legitimate fight was with First Form Cell. After the time chamber, and his own training through the years, I can assume that he's become > First form cell. But to assume that hes = Super Vegeta, more or less, is a very hard leap to make with no showings. Considering that Vegeta was >> Second form cell, who was >> his first form.

After training in the RoSaT, Piccolo was able to put up a decent fight against a Cell Junior, and still wasn't KO'd by it after Cell gave them orders to stop holding back/kill.... And please don't bring up Krillin/Yamcha/Tien vs. the Cell Juniors, because the CJ's were just playing around with them initially(Cell himself explicitly states as much), and they were ALL KO'd at the end.

Anyway, given that Piccolo was able to contend with a Cell Junior during the Cell Games, and that he trained for an additional 12 years before fighting Shisami, I certainly don't think > ASSJ-level is out of the question.


But again: opinions vary... Hence the wide range of opposition/power Shisami is facing here.

Id forgotten about that, but are we using just the manga or also the anime? Becuase in the manga all Piccolo did was get beaten slowly and painfully, and Cell pointed out that only Vegeta and Trunks were holding off their Cell Jr's.

Okay, you're to entitled to your opinion, even if it feels like a big stretch to me.

Unless we're discussing GT, DBS, Films, or filler characters(ie. Pikkon), the manga is all I go by.

Oh, and I'm not saying that Piccolo was on par with the Cell Junior. I'm just saying that he had become strong enough to at least contend with it--implying that his power had increased substantially after training in the RoSaT.

But Piccolo wasn't contending with that Cell Jr. He was surviving it's onslaught, which is the same thing that Tien and Yamcha were doing. The only thing that proves is that the Cell Jr.'s were so strong that they could toy with all the non-Saiyan Z-fighters. And Damborgson pointed out already, that Super Vegeta and Super Trunks were the only ones who were actually holding off their Cell Jr.'s. That should stand alone as proof, in that regard.

Anyway, I think that Shisami was really strong, but I don't think he was as strong as Piccolo. Of course, I haven't seen the movie, because I can't find a decent streaming, english subbed version anywhere yet, but whatever.

And I don't see it being possible that Piccolo had overcome the gap between him and Semi-perfect Cell, even in those 12 years. He even mentioned that he had pretty much hit a cap in his power, and didn't get that much stronger, after training a whole other year in the ROSAT.

I mean, he MIGHT have been able to get a bit stronger than Semi-perfect Cell, but even if he was, there's no way he managed to get Super Vegeta level.

So the Cell Jr. would crush Shisami, like he did to Piccolo originally.

Trunks and Vegeta were able to hold their own against the Cell Juniors because they were roughly equal to them. Piccolo was able to contend against one, and take everything it dished out w/o being KO'd, but he was still below it. I only mentioned that because it shows us that Piccolo became significantly more powerful after his stint in the RoSaT--he certainly didn't hit his 'cap', like you said.

To the contrary, it was stated that Piccolo actually became "much stronger" after training in the RoSaT:
http://i.imgur.com/ppUNeRll.jpg
(But he was still < Perfect Cell, obviously)

Originally posted by Galan007
Trunks and Vegeta were able to hold their own against the Cell Juniors because they were roughly equal to them. Piccolo was able to contend against one, and take everything it dished out w/o being KO'd, but he was still below it. I only mentioned that because it shows us that Piccolo became significantly more powerful after his stint in the RoSaT--he certainly didn't hit his 'cap', like you said.

To the contrary, it was stated that Piccolo actually became "much stronger" after training in the RoSaT:
http://i.imgur.com/ppUNeRll.jpg
(But he was still < Perfect Cell, obviously)

Oh, my bad, I was thinking of the anime. I'm pretty sure in the english dub, Piccolo said he hit a cap in his power, and couldn't make much progress from there. Although, again, I don't have a way to confirm this by watching it, since the website I use got taken down. cry

But anyway, I still don't think it would have been enough to bridge the gap between him and Semi-Perfect Cell. I guess we don't have much proof though, given that Piccolo has had practically ZERO action in the series, after the Cell saga.

Yeah, Piccolo's level is totally open to interpretation, given his relative lack of feats after the Cell saga.

I gave my opinion on why I think he could logically be ASSJ+-level by the time of RoF, but there's obviously no way for me to definitively prove it. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, Piccolo's level is totally open to interpretation, given his relative lack of feats after the Cell saga.

I gave my opinion on why I think he could logically be ASSJ+-level by the time of RoF, but there's obviously no way for me to definitively prove it. /shrug

Yeah, it seems unfair to me, really. Piccolo is one of my favorite characters, and he's basically been lumped in with Yamcha and the other fodder characters at this point. Because the only focus on the series seems to be the Saiyan's getting a billion new forms, and buffs, and Piccolo just kind of got left in the dust, even though he managed to hold on longer than Yamcha and the others, lol.

Yeah though, he could be speculated to be weaker than Semi-Perfect Cell, or even speculated to be stronger than Super Vegeta, if you really reach, by ROF. Just because he has no feats after the Cell saga, lol.

I'm sorry, but I can't help but still find all of this ridicolous: where did Freeza find this guy? Did he even know that, prior to his 4 months-ass-pull-training he could have been atomized, even in his final form, by one of his freakin' soldiers?

Does this situation as a whole remotely make some kind of sense?

He might lose to Cell Jr.

But he solos Both of the cells.

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Does this situation as a whole remotely make some kind of sense? No, none.

Worse yet is that Tagoma and Shisami were originally implied to be around Zarbon-level... Which some people take that as irrefutable fact. They believe that Piccolo had been weakened tremendously from fighting hundreds of Freeza's fodder soldiers beforehand. IOW, they think Piccolo was Zarbon-level when he fought Shisami, which is why the latter seemed ~/>.

Personally, I think that is a ridiculous assumption. There were absolutely no implications at all that Piccolo was weakened by any significant amount--let alone weakened to the point that his PL dropped by a factor of hundredS of millionS(possibly billionS.) srsly

Hopefully the English-dub and/or DBS will iron-out ridiculous inconsistencies like that... One way or the other.

Oh yeah, I guess Shisami would have raped frieza back in the day. Where did that dude even come from?

^ From the 3rd Stellar region sector--which Freeza said he wasn't very familiar with.

Interesting, at least they tried I guess.

Shisami clears.

The Cell Jrs were stronger than ASS(lulz) but slightly weaker then FPSS. I think Piccolo was definitely on that level in ROF which means shisami was too.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, none.

Worse yet is that Tagoma and Shisami were originally implied to be around Zarbon-level... Which some people take that as irrefutable fact. They believe that Piccolo had been weakened tremendously from fighting hundreds of Freeza's fodder soldiers beforehand. IOW, they think Piccolo was Zarbon-level when he fought Shisami, which is why the latter seemed ~/>.

Personally, I think that is a ridiculous assumption. There were absolutely no implications at all that Piccolo was weakened by any significant amount--let alone weakened to the point that his PL dropped by a factor of hundredS of millionS(possibly billionS.) srsly

Hopefully the English-dub and/or DBS will iron-out ridiculous inconsistencies like that... One way or the other.

I agree with you completely.
In fact, furthermore, DB always ran on the assumption that "quality > quantity" so there's absolutely no way that thousands or even millions guys on Zarbon's level could pose a threat on somebody who's way stronger than Semi-perfect Cell.

But There is no sense to a soldier by far stronger than Freeza Full Power from Freeza saga.

Imo this is just PIS.

PIS? Not imo.

Shisami was originally Zarbon/Dodoria-level, as stated by Sorbet--FAR inferior to Freeza. Evidently he trained intensely during the 4 month gap(just like Freeza), because by the time they confronted the heroes on earth, he was no less than equal to Piccolo. He was so powerful, in fact, that Gohan felt the need to turn SSJ prior to attacking him.

I just think it was a poor showing for Piccolo. That's all. Don't think the guy was powerful at all.

First form Cell was in entirely different league than Piccolo when they fought. He literally walked unfazed through Piccolo's charged blast, then snapped his neck and blew a hole in him. Probably the biggest stomp in the entire series.

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Originally posted by carver9
I just think it was a poor showing for Piccolo. That's all. Don't think the guy was powerful at all. If his battle with Piccolo was a poor showing for Piccolo, then why did Gohan go SSJ before attacking Shisami?

Originally posted by Astner
First form Cell was in entirely different league than Piccolo when they fought. He literally walked unfazed through Piccolo's charged blast, then snapped his neck and blew a hole in him. Probably the biggest stomp in the entire series. Not sure why you posted that battle, but in Piccolo's defense, he had just been in a lengthy/pressing battle with #17 when Cell showed up, so he was most certainly not 100%.

...Not saying him being at 100% would have made much of a difference, but it is something to consider.