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The Daizenshuu credits Yamcha with a PL of 1,480 during the Saiyan saga--which is extremely close to Raditz' PL of 1,500.

Ultimately I'd go with Raditz, though. His PL is slightly greater, and I think he has better speed + ki attacks. It'd be a great fight, though.

Are you sure about ki attacks?

Raditz seemed to be surprised with the non-basic ki attacks.

^ Raditz was surprised that Goku/Piccolo could concentrate their ki to the extent they could... But Raditz himself was still capable of releasing very powerful ki attacks in his own right:
http://i.imgur.com/02krXESm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/REmgO1Em.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7cT6TwOm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/OB5ERYcm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iyA8eejm.jpg

Raditz was 1200 if I'm not mistaken

You are correct my friend.

Originally posted by carver9
You are correct my friend.



http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111201214/4511603-076.png

Even though they were said to be equal to Raditz, "The Evolution of Goku's Power Level" put Raditz at 1,500.

I think basically, they were simply in Raditz's tier.

I don't know which one is supposed to be more valid than the other, one is a direct statement in the manga, unless it was mistranslated, I wouldn't think "the evolution of Goku's power level" should trump it.

The scanlation posted above is inaccurate.

The translation from VIZ states that the Cultivars/Saibaimen have a PL "over" 1,200, and are equal to Raditz:
http://i.imgur.com/Ddd1POKm.jpg


And even the Japanese manga merely states that the Saibaimen "rival" Raditz in power:


CD posted the quote above.



So yeah, the Daizenshuu's PL of 1,500 makes sense, imo. That's why PLs in the 1,300+ range were enough to injure Raditz--or potentially even kill him, if they were piercing-type attacks(like Piccolo's SBC.)

I thought Yamcha took on more than one Saibaimen and won?

He took on one. And died.

Anywho, Yamcha wins this.

That's just ****ing weird.

There'd be no reason to even mention 1200, if their power levels were 1500.

We know his PL was above 1,200, but no more than 1,500. Exactly where in that range he fell is open to opinion, I suppose.

Number crunching. So much number crunching.

They're close enough that the ki difference is mostly negligible and Yamcha's performance against the Saibaman(who are pretty clearly below Raditz if only because the Saiyan is a more experienced fight) shows him as being on that level. And on roughly even ground, Yamcha will win.

Yamcha loses because he's Yamcha.

Yamcha. don't earth fighters power-levels boost when they use their attacks like the kamehameha? With that close of a number the boost should put him over the edge.


Also friendly reminder that yamcha beat goku

What's stopping Raditz from dodging Yamcha's energy attacks, though?

Yamcha shooting another one.

durfist

FINE! saiyan pride wouldn't allow Radditz to be scared of the same species as the farmer so he would just try to tank the blast. since he can't sense energy that is totally possible.

Raditz has a scouter as standard equipment, and Yamcha's ki isn't enough to overload/destroy it.

...So when Raditz sees Yamcha's PL as he charges-up a potentially lethal blast, he probably would dodge it like he did with Piccolo's initial SBC.

still has the pride to factor in. Saiyans don't fight smart

do you believe that raditz will win?

Originally posted by Galan007
What's stopping Raditz from dodging Yamcha's energy attacks, though?
Spirit Ball would keep chasing him

Yeah Spirit Ball will get him.

Maybe, but would it put Raditz down? Not likely, imo.

After all, one of Yamcha's charged blasts wasn't even sufficient to incapacitate a Saibamen:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23792285_1314896.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23792288_9638692.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23792291_8596826.jpg

In terms of durability, Raditz>Saibamen.


...Though I suppose Yamcha could go for Raditz' tail(assuming he even knows about that weakness, of course.) Hadn't thought about that until now. Although that tactic is still a long-shot, considering that even Goku only managed to grab Raditz' tail when he was distracted by Piccolo(a luxury Yamcha wouldn't have here.) One-on-one, though, it's hard to imagine Yamcha successfully grabbing his tail. /shrug

http://view.thespectrum.net/manga/Dragon%20Ball/Volume%2008/dragonball_v08hq_044.JPG

He knows. Yamcha also has the luxury of hiding his power level to throw Raditz off his game and drop his guard.

Also while Raditz did drop his guard due to Piccolo, Vegeta is the reason Yamcha forgot about the Saibaman.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://view.thespectrum.net/manga/Dragon%20Ball/Volume%2008/dragonball_v08hq_044.JPG

He knows. Yamcha also has the luxury of hiding his power level to throw Raditz off his game and drop his guard.

Also while Raditz did drop his guard due to Piccolo, Vegeta is the reason Yamcha forgot about the Saibaman.

Assuming Raditz has knowledge of his battle with Goku/Piccolo here, he would know that scouters cannot be fully trusted. However, Yamcha's max ki(when he's not focusing a blast) = 1,480, as confirmed in the Daizenshuu... So there's that.

Yes, I know. I only posted those scans as evidence that one of Yamcha's charged blasts didn't even incapacitate a Saibamen.

Is Daizenshuu that accurate?

I mean, King Piccolo stronger than Kami? Popo, too?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is Daizenshuu that accurate?

I mean, King Piccolo stronger than Kami? Popo, too? The Daizenshuu is recognized as an authoritative DB source, nearly on par with the manga itself in terms of canonicity. What it says should be taken as irrefutable fact unless the manga(or Toriyama himself) gives us a legitimate reason to question it.

As for the power levels of King Piccolo and Popo, you're probably referencing this chart:
http://i.imgur.com/Emx3QVQ.jpg
It's from Weekly Jump, NOT the Daizenshuu. The latter never listed an official PL for Kami and Popo... No other source does, in fact.

However, going by on-panel statements from the manga(which supersedes ALL), we know that Kami>Popo>Goku(post-Holy Water)>King Piccolo:
http://i.imgur.com/lXOQfZpl.jpg

Therefore the power levels listed for Kami and Popo in that chart cannot be correct, because it states they are both > Kami(which is clearly false, per the manga.) However, Weekly Jump is usually quite reliable--those particular power levels just so happen to be the exception(s).

Originally posted by Galan007
Therefore the power levels listed for Kami and Popo in that chart cannot be correct, because it states they are both > Kami(which is clearly false, per the manga.) However, Weekly Jump is usually quite reliable--those particular power levels just so happen to be the exception(s). Must have been in a rush when I typed this, lol.

To clarify:
The PL chart from Weekly Jump states that King Piccolo and Popo are both > Kami. But per the manga(which supersedes ALL other sources): Kami>Popo>Goku(post-Holy Water)>King Piccolo.

So at the very least we must disregard the PL listed for Kami, as he was obviously FAR beyond the scant 220 it credits him for.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with Yamcha here. Raditz doesn't seem like the type to blow himself up to win a fight, and Yamcha's power level would increase dramatically, like Goku's did, while charging up an attack. Goku was at about 400, and went up to around 900 just by charging his kamehameha. That's over a 2X boost, which made his attack strong enough to put up a fight against Raditz. And Yamcha is only a scant 20 below Raditz, in PL's. Meaning that his power level, while charging a kamehameha would go up to at least a 3,000, meaning it would utterly vaporize Raditz, with little, to no resistance.