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The members of the Jedi Council engage in a brawl with several prominent sith.

Adi Gallia Vs Darth Talon

Agen Kolar Vs Darth Malgus(Deceived)

Anakin Skywalker VS Darth Vader

Coleman Trebor Vs Kopecz

Depa Billaba(all canons) Vs Lady Lumiya

Eeth Koth Vs Darth Sion

Even Piell Vs Lord Vindican

Ki-Adi Mundi Vs Darth Wyyrlok

Kit Fisto Vs Ulic Qel-Droma(Dark)

Mace Windu Vs Exar Kun

Micah Gilett Vs Githany

Obi-Wan Kenobi Vs Darth Nihl

Oppo Rancisis VS Lord Kaan(both are using Battle Meditation)

Plo Koon Vs Exal Kressh

Saesee Tiin Vs Darth Maladi

Stass Allie Vs Darth Cognus

Shaak Ti Vs Kas'im( :iwin: )

Yarael Poof Vs Sirak

Location: Gladiatorial Arena.

Talon, Malgus, Anakin, Piell, Wyyrlok, Droma, Micah, Obi-Wan, Oppo, Koon, Saesee, Cognus, Shaak, Yarael.

Wow it ruined my post, I'm not taking the time to do it again.

Talon, Malgus, Vader, Trebor, Lumiya, Sion, Vindican??, Wyyrlok, Ulic, Kun unless either way, Gillet??, Kenobi, stalemate, Plo, Saesee, Shaak, Yarael

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Talon, Malgus, Anakin, Piell, Wyyrlok, Droma, Micah, Obi-Wan, Oppo, Koon, Saesee, Cognus, Shaak, Yarael.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Adi Gallia Vs Darth Talon
I'm not entirely sure about this one.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Agen Kolar Vs Darth Malgus(Deceived)
Malgus should win on account of his noticeably greater force abilities.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Anakin Skywalker VS Darth Vader
It's always been my opinion that Vader is superior on account of greater force mastery, skill, greater natural physical strength, and armoring.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Coleman Trebor Vs Kopecz
Kopecz stomps this in just about every area.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Depa Billaba(all canons) Vs Lady Lumiya
I'd kinda like your thoughts on this one Xtasy.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Eeth Koth Vs Darth Sion
I'll take Koth. His fight with Grievous impresses me more than anything Sion's done as a duelist.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Even Piell Vs Lord Vindican
I'm leaning Piell, but not entirely sure.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Ki-Adi Mundi Vs Darth Wyyrlok
Wyyrlok's sorcery should earn him a solid victory.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Kit Fisto Vs Ulic Qel-Droma(Dark)
Droma's force powers and duel with Kun impress me more.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Mace Windu Vs Exar Kun
I have both of these characters in an area of ranking I like to call the blob, and I'm not sure where Windu fits in the blob, so I'm not entirely sure.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Micah Gilett Vs Githany
Githany I suppose.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Obi-Wan Kenobi Vs Darth Nihl
Kenobi is too solidly the greater duelist IMO

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Oppo Rancisis VS Lord Kaan(both are using Battle Meditation)
Is this a battle meditation fight or a fight fight with battle meditation involved?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Plo Koon Vs Exal Kressh

Saesee Tiin Vs Darth Maladi

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Stass Allie Vs Darth Cognus
Regardless of whether this is DOE Cognus or Sith Master Cognus, Stass hasn't shown enough combatively to earn a victory imo.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Shaak Ti Vs Kas'im( :iwin: )
Kas'im. I've made my position on this one abundantly clear.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yarael Poof Vs Sirak
Sirak is unquestionably Poof's superior in a duel, but Poof's Force abilities may prove too much for him.

Coleman Trebor Vs Kopecz -Kopecz, solidly. Just way more of a combatant.

Micah Gilett Vs Githany -Probably Githany

Oppo Rancisis VS Lord Kaan -Lord Kaan. If they're each solo, then he's the more formidable. Even if they were meditating others, I'd probably bet on him.

Yarael Poof Vs Sirak -Hm, good fight, depends on of Sirak can get close. I'll lean Sirak.

*sigh*

I am going to reply to you at some point in that thread, DMB. I just have a frankly (no offence) more important tournament on the SWTOR forums that I also haven't replied to, and I'm on holiday

I pretty much agree with Q99 and Dmb. Vindican wins his fight and Lumiya loses though.

@Seleniel

Well good luck with that stuff. I know what having a busy schedule and wanting time to oneself is like.

Wasn't exactly saying anything about that thread other than that I had already clarified my opinion on one of the match-ups from this thread in that thread.

Nevertheless I look forward to our continued debate. First time I've legitimately had fun debating in favor of a Darth Bane Trilogy character on KMC in a very long time.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Adi Gallia Vs Darth Talon

Darth Talon solidly.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Agen Kolar Vs Darth Malgus(Deceived)

Malgus has beaten better Jedi soundly and steamrolled comparable Jedi to boot.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Anakin Skywalker VS Darth Vader

Whilst Vader is more refined and masterful, Anakin has a ferocity that overwhelms almost anybody. Anakin.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Coleman Trebor Vs Kopecz

Kopecz.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Depa Billaba(all canons) Vs Lady Lumiya

Depa Billaba's Vaapad and Soresu mastery is too much.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Eeth Koth Vs Darth Sion

Sion solidly, he can win through brute force or drain.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Even Piell Vs Lord Vindican

Vindican is slightly less of a peon than Piell is.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Ki-Adi Mundi Vs Darth Wyyrlok

Wyyrlok III stomps.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Kit Fisto Vs Ulic Qel-Droma(Dark)

Ulic's Djem So would beat Kit's Shii-Cho and Qel-Droma can easily win via the Force.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Mace Windu Vs Exar Kun

Whilst Windu's Vaapad would eventually beat Kun in a long duel, Kun would take him to the curb in a Force contest.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Micah Gilett Vs Githany

Githany's glorified dominatrix whip should give her a solid win.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Obi-Wan Kenobi Vs Darth Nihl

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a far better duelist and isn't going to be as vulnerable to Force attacks as he would be against a Dooku.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Oppo Rancisis VS Lord Kaan(both are using Battle Meditation)

Kaan solidly.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Plo Koon Vs Exal Kressh

Kressh stomps in Force and should hold her own in a duel.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Saesee Tiin Vs Darth Maladi

Tiin takes sabers to a greater degree than Maladi takes Force.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Stass Allie Vs Darth Cognus

Cognus stomps.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Shaak Ti Vs Kas'im( :iwin: )

Ti takes sabers, speed, stamina and cunning and stomps in Force.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yarael Poof Vs Sirak

Poof solidly with Force.

Agreed with AP, with a couple minor corrections.

- Maladi and Saesee should be a pretty even split
- Exal Kressh is not stomping Plo Koon
- Piell as a specialist in all 7 forms of Lightsaber combat is probably better than Vindican

@DMB: I know you didn't make any comments, it was more a message to myself

Same, although I disagree that Kenobi is a "far better duelist" than Nihl. Bit of a stretch even if he's clearly better.

Originally posted by ILS
Same, although I disagree that Kenobi is a "far better duelist" than Nihl. Bit of a stretch even if he's clearly better.

Oh well that too. Nihl's a BAMF, I'd have difficulty calling an all out fight between the two...

<3

Lumiya kills Billaba.

Originally posted by Selenial
Agreed with AP, with a couple minor corrections.

- Maladi and Saesee should be a pretty even split
- Exal Kressh is not stomping Plo Koon

I agree with those.



On the flip side, he may be more well-rounded in saber skill but possibly less physically capable. Vindican could still have the edge.

Originally posted by Selenial
@DMB: I know you didn't make any comments, it was more a message to myself
I figured as much. Still, as humans communicating through a medium devoid of body language or tone of voice, miscommunication can happen. Never hurts to be sure.

Originally posted by Q99
I agree with those.



On the flip side, he may be more well-rounded in saber skill but possibly less physically capable. Vindican could still have the edge.

Perhaps, though Piell served on royal honour guards and other security forces so I doubt he's physically inept.

I just think Vindican's horrendous at adapting, he died because he forgot rule one of fighting a double bladed lightsaber... Even though he has one himself.

Piell randomly switching forms would probably throw him off and secure a victory.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not entirely sure about this one.

Even if Gallia was the better duelist, Talon's force advantage is pretty overwhelming tbh.



Probably.



This could lead him to victory. Or he could get battered like he did in RotJ.



Lolwut.



After some consideration, I'd side Lumiya tbh. Her performance against Tresina Lobi wasn't fantastic, but she's generally operating on a higher level than Depa.



Sion's probably not bad; by virtue of either his skill or physicals he was able to overpower a Jedi Councillor in Lana Vash. It was on Korriban, but even then he still has his immortality to work with, which means he can outlast most opponents.

That being said, I'm not sure if he can take Koth on neutral ground either; maybe?



Lord Vindican isn't bad, but I wouldn't pit him against a seasoned Councillor tbh.



Honestly he could easily do without; he could kill Mundi with a blade, thrash him with telekinesis, or fry him with FL. This is probably the most spite-y of all the matches tbh.



Pretty much.



Honestly, Kun probably wins more often than not; dat sorcery.



...Probably not. Githany's another one I wouldn't pit against a seasoned Jedi Council member.




Pretty much this; not sure what argument could be made for Nihl tbh.



This, tbh. Good fights either way though.



Lol, she could probably take Bounty Hunter Cognus in a one on one.



Nah, Shaak edges it. :>



I question. :>



Yeahp.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lolwut.
I'm not really sure what the confusion here is. His lightsaber skills impress me more, as do his force abilities, and his durability is pretty insane as well.



Originally posted by NewGuy01
After some consideration, I'd side Lumiya tbh. Her performance against Tresina Lobi wasn't fantastic, but she's generally operating on a higher level than Depa.
Entirely possible. I'd probably lean her way at this point.



Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sion's probably not bad; by virtue of either his skill or physicals he was able to overpower a Jedi Councillor in Lana Vash. It was on Korriban, but even then he still has his immortality to work with, which means he can outlast most opponents.

That being said, I'm not sure if he can take Koth on neutral ground either; maybe?
Sion's sketchy. He's a threat, but he's been struck down often in combat, but he's immortal. Kinda makes debates with him weird.



Originally posted by NewGuy01
Honestly he could easily do without; he could kill Mundi with a blade, thrash him with telekinesis, or fry him with FL. This is probably the most spite-y of all the matches tbh.
He could, the power of his specialization is just what I as being his most potent edge, even if his other edges could make short work of him.



Originally posted by NewGuy01
...Probably not. Githany's another one I wouldn't pit against a seasoned Jedi Council member.
She was on the Sith Council and beat a Jedi General who was "in many ways a true warrior who epitomized the Jedi ideal" or something along those lines. That being said, I'm open to changing my mind on this one if I see feats/accolades for Micah.


Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lol, she could probably take Bounty Hunter Cognus in a one on one.
Stass along with Trebor have always struck me as the least impressive PT council members. Does she have any noteworthy combat feats or accolades I should be aware of?


Originally posted by NewGuy01
Nah, Shaak edges it. :>
http://r33.imgfast.net/users/3311/36/97/52/smiles/2330399501.gif


Originally posted by NewGuy01
I question. :>
His RT has nothing on his dueling abilities and none come to mind when I think of him. Though given the face I imagine this one was a joke.

Originally posted by Selenial
Perhaps, though Piell served on royal honour guards and other security forces so I doubt he's physically inept.

I just think Vindican's horrendous at adapting, he died because he forgot rule one of fighting a double bladed lightsaber... Even though he has one himself.

Piell randomly switching forms would probably throw him off and secure a victory.

That's a fair point.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not really sure what the confusion here is. His lightsaber skills impress me more, as do his force abilities, and his durability is pretty insane as well.

I don't recall him having any significant feats, really. He was the primary rival of Quordis, he found Bane, he was somewhat resistant to Kaan's TP, he was pretty fat, and he was injured in battle then finished off by Farfalla. Are there details I'm missing? Haven't read PoD in a long time, tbh, but that's all I can really remember about him.



Mhm.



Really to beat Sion, the key factors are being significantly more skilled (to be capable of beating him repeatedly without losing) and having the necessary force reserves to last it out. One could beat him that way, though putting him down permanently is a bit of a different story; the easiest way besides Dun Moch would be to cut him off from the Force tbh.



Mhm.



Besides Grievous considering her a master duelist, and better than Pablo/Foul/Roron? Not that I can recall.

Still, unlike her fight with Bane, she wouldn't have the element of surprise, nor backup, nor prep. And Stass is a Jedi healer, for what it's worth; might help with the toxins, might not.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I don't recall him having any significant feats, really. He was the primary rival of Quordis, he found Bane, he was somewhat resistant to Kaan's TP, he was pretty fat, and he was injured in battle then finished off by Farfalla. Are there details I'm missing? Haven't read PoD in a long time, tbh, but that's all I can really remember about him.
He pretty easily slaughtered an entire elite unit of the best soldiers the republic had to offer with his lightsaber, with only one of them having a chance to fire twice. He also killed a couple of Padawans with TK and could use Force storm in combat. And when he fought Farfalla he had a ****ton of arrows sticking out of his back and the back of his neck, as well as two spears skewered through his abdomen. It's honestly pretty impressive that he was even able to stand at that point.

Not the most impressive guy, but definitely enough to beat Trebor.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Really to beat Sion, the key factors are being significantly more skilled (to be capable of beating him repeatedly without losing) and having the necessary force reserves to last it out. One could beat him that way, though putting him down permanently is a bit of a different story; the easiest way besides Dun Moch would be to cut him off from the Force tbh.
Makes sense.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Besides Grievous considering her a master duelist, and better than Pablo/Foul/Roron? Not that I can recall.
Quote?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Still, unlike her fight with Bane, she wouldn't have the element of surprise, nor backup, nor prep. And Stass is a Jedi healer, for what it's worth; might help with the toxins, might not.
I think she could win between her precog, speed, arsenal, and, quite notably, her force suppression.