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Everyone is in their primes.

One round and it's all out.

Battle takes place in the hanger where Kao den darach fought Darth malgus and vindican.

Which duo is superior.

Anakin stomps Ti, and Kenobi beats Plo

Plo Koon isn't taking either, team 1 wins unless Ti can use the Force to knock out Kenobi near the start.

Anakin solos.

Team 1's team performance is kinda sketchy in most of their showings, but as this is ROTS Anakin, he is actually around Dooku level, so team one should take a solid victory.

Team one is pretty much accepted as the greatest duo in history.

Their performances in TCW were poor, but that was before the Outer Rim Sieges.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Team one is pretty much accepted as the greatest duo in history.

Their performances in TCW were poor, but that was before the Outer Rim Sieges.
Given that viewpoint/rationalization/paradigm, I can actually understand their teamwork wank.

If all that "greatest duo ever" wank was applied to their showings in TCW, I just don't see it... at all.

The whole outer rim sieges thing makes a lot of sense though, when you put it that way. Thank you for pointing that out actually, it allows me to stomach and understand that accolade without being thoroughly confused.

IIRC most of their hype and rise to fame came in the late portions of the war, which is supported by starwars.com saying Anakin Skywalker grew "far more powerful" since Season 5.

They would be fighting on the frontlines of countless battle while fighting impossible odds. I feel this sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVk9lPotcW4&t=1h21m37s.

Also shabby teamwork or not, against 2 opponents it's more like two 1 v 1's. So teamwork shouldn't be an issue.

Shaak Ti is out of her depth

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
IIRC most of their hype and rise to fame came in the late portions of the war, which is supported by starwars.com saying Anakin Skywalker grew "far more powerful" since Season 5.

They would be fighting on the frontlines of countless battle while fighting impossible odds. I feel this sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVk9lPotcW4&t=1h21m37s.
Yeah, I never saw either of them as being at their peaks until ROTS anyways.

I've heard some speak of TCW Anakin as if he were on par with Dooku, but given every other fight he had that wasn't a 1v1 with Dooku, I don't view him as being on that level until ROTS.

Fighting alongside each other in some pretty intense stages in the war during this time of improvement would no doubt help their teamwork.

Kenobi is actually one of my three favorite Jedi, and despite Anakin's whininess prior to the Clone Wars unfolding, I'm actually in the minority who enjoyed Hayden's performance of him in ROTS. I have no reason to have personal feelings against this accolade applying to them, I just really didn't see it as of TCW.

Now it makes perfect sense to me that outer rim seiges and beyond that point would be a different story.

Ti would beat Kenobi, but ROTS Anakin makes this a pretty easy win for team 1...

Make it early Clone Wars though and you've got a good fight.

Originally posted by Selenial
Ti would beat Kenobi

Originally posted by Trocity


Kenobi can't provide an adequate offensive to stop her abusing force powers

If she's fighting to kill, he doesn't stand a chance against her force attacks.

Jedi don't fight to kill in such a fashion.

And I doubt she could dominate Kenobi anyway.

Indeed, but she's never been a Jedi to hold back her power.

She wouldn't kill, but she brought Marek to his knees and instead of killing him, lectured him.

Difference with Kenobi is that he's not going to enter a rage at the thought of failing Vader, and would likely fall unconscious to Ti's follow up attack.

Team 1, through and through. Kenobi eventually takes Plo, but Anakin virtually stomps either.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
and despite Anakin's whininess prior to the Clone Wars unfolding, I'm actually in the minority who enjoyed Hayden's performance of him in ROTS.


The scenes between Anakin and Palpatine in ROTS were amongst the best character moments in the trilogy, possibly the whole saga IMO.

Originally posted by Selenial
Indeed, but she's never been a Jedi to hold back her power.

She wouldn't kill, but she brought Marek to his knees and instead of killing him, lectured him.

Difference with Kenobi is that he's not going to enter a rage at the thought of failing Vader, and would likely fall unconscious to Ti's follow up attack.

Yep, this is pretty drastically imbalanced.

We have:

Tier 9:

Anakin.

Tier 8:

Shaak Ti
Obi-Wan Kenobi

Tier 7:
Plo Koon.

What would people think if this was mid TCW for team 1?

Since Skywalker was getting literally ragdolled by Dooku on Naboo, perhaps it would be a more fair matchup...

Originally posted by Selenial
What would people think if this was mid TCW for team 1?

Since Skywalker was getting literally ragdolled by Dooku on Naboo, perhaps it would be a more fair matchup...


Huh?

Skywalker kept coming at Dooku in that fight. Even had Dooku on the floor at one point choking him.

Heck even as early as TCW Movie, Anakin was fighting quite well against Dooku in Sabers, and kept getting back up every time Dooku Tk'd him.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Huh?

Skywalker kept coming at Dooku in that fight. Even had Dooku on the floor at one point choking him.

Heck even as early as TCW Movie, Anakin was fighting quite well against Dooku in Sabers, and kept getting back up every time Dooku Tk'd him.

You're thinking of the wrong Naboo fight

Originally posted by Selenial
You're thinking of the wrong Naboo fight


Then tell me which one you're thinking of.. The one where Dooku had aid from multiple magnaguards?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Then tell me which one you're thinking of.. The one where Dooku had aid from multiple magnaguards?

Kind of irrelevant when we're discussing force based attacks

Originally posted by Selenial
Kind of irrelevant when we're discussing force based attacks


No, not really. Dooku getting help to batter Skywalker and disarm him before his final force attack, is very relevant.

Anakin solos, tbh.

No he is not beating both of them.

Originally posted by AncientPower
No he is not beating both of them.


If it's Anakin in his prime then he certainly might.

With Prime Shaak Ti? Nah

Shaak Ti would be a good enough fight, throw in Plo Koon and Anakin can get abused by the Force pretty badly by the two of them, he also cannot focus down one of them which he has to do to win. Dividing his efforts is exactly how you beat Anakin.

Fair enough. I forgot Prime Ti is probably TFU Ti.

Horrible mismatch.

Anakin can solo and Kenobi is more powerful than either on team 2.

Team 1 wins

Originally posted by ares834
Horrible mismatch.

Anakin can solo and Kenobi is more powerful than either on team 2.

Kenobi isn't weak to Force powers. The only times that count are Maul and Dooku and getting choked by either of those two isn't a weakness on Kenobis part but rather a showing of strength on the Sith part. Ventress only choked Kenobi when he was severly weakened and Savage only did it when he was in rage mode and was choking Anakin as well.

Saying that because Maul and Dooku did it so half the characters in SW can do it is b.s.

Shaak Ti costs team 2 the victory

Skywalker does indeed solo.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Kenobi isn't weak to Force powers. The only times that count are Maul and Dooku and getting choked by either of those two isn't a weakness on Kenobis part but rather a showing of strength on the Sith part. Ventress only choked Kenobi when he was severly weakened and Savage only did it when he was in rage mode and was choking Anakin as well.

Saying that because Maul and Dooku did it so half the characters in SW can do it is b.s.

So you think Obi-Wan > Galen Marek in the force.

That's a really justified argument, totally conceded I really can't see why no one takes you seriously as a debater!

Originally posted by carthage
Anakin stomps Ti, and Kenobi beats Plo
Originally posted by carthage
Shaak Ti is out of her depth
Originally posted by carthage
Shaak Ti costs team 2 the victory
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Maybe if you repeat yourself a fourth time, it'll all become clear for everyone. Because the first few times evidently weren't enough.

DMB please stop harassing me.

Nah typical Carthage trolling, nothing to see here DMB.

People still read Carthage's posts?

Only If they're drunk or missing a loved one

Originally posted by Selenial
So you think Obi-Wan > Galen Marek in the force.

That's a really justified argument, totally conceded I really can't see why no one takes you seriously as a debater! A still in his training Galen >Kenobi? Also That Galen was stronger than Ti in the Force, that's how he killed her. So for your logic to be true and Ti can throw Kenobi around with the Force then she would need to be at the very least on Mauls level and apprentice Galen is stronger than Maul in the Force, and lets note that Galen hasn't become as strong as he will become.

So Galen Prime>apprentice Galen> Ti =Maul > Kenobi.

Do I have that about right?

Bantha was right that Kenobi isn't necessarily weak to Force-fugging, and that Maul and Dooku are just exceptionally powerful. Having said that I think it's fair to say Ti is in Maul's range of power, given the telepathic influence she held over much of Felucia and her taking Galen to town. Is she quite on Maul's level in terms of raw power? Maybe, maybe not, but she's in that general ballpark, for sure.

Felicia is a nexus, and she did not take Marek "to town" with the Force. She was way outclassed.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Felicia is a nexus, and she did not take Marek "to town" with the Force. She was way outclassed.

In one source:

She force pushed him
Kinetited him to the point where he could barely stand
Penetrated him with Sarlacc Tentacles.

In another:

She had better force augmented speed
She had better force augmented strength
She deflected all of his Lightning and Telekinesis while dominating a Sarlacc.
He was "lucky to have survived"

In the third, the only way he could kill her was by abusing the Sarlacc....

Please tell me where she was "way outclassed".

PS: It's spelled Felucia. Not to mention the fact it's a nexus is actually another pro for Shaak. As the more powerful Force User, Felucia would have been a bigger boon to him than her.

Ah yes back on the topic of teamwork:
"Initially, it had cheered him to observe that Skywalker and Kenobi had finally learned to fight together; to see how powerful they had become in partnership. Complementing each other's strengths, compensating for each other's weaknesses. Kenobi making full use of his inherent discretion to balance young Skywalker's inattentive rowdiness. He could have watched them until the light faded on fair Tythe. And he wished that General Grievous could have been there to witness the display for himself."-Labyrinth of Evil

This did take place after Oba Diah, so yeah. Supports the notion that their teamwork was amazing as of the outer rim sieges, but kinda shit beforehand.

Originally posted by Selenial
In one source:

She force pushed him
Kinetited him to the point where he could barely stand
Penetrated him with Sarlacc Tentacles.

In another:

She had better force augmented speed
She had better force augmented strength
She deflected all of his Lightning and Telekinesis while dominating a Sarlacc.
He was "lucky to have survived"

In the third, the only way he could kill her was by abusing the Sarlacc....

Please tell me where she was "way outclassed".

The part where he defeated her with it. I don't know what definition of outclass you use, but Marek was clearly the superior in that regard and a loss is a loss.

Thanks, Mom. I'll be sure to remind Swype how to spell the name of random planets in Star Wars. And no it's not. It's a nexus she personalized herself for the opposite alignment. How is that boon for Marek, an apprentice before his prime? Marek who's weaker than either RotS Kenobi or Anakin, I might add.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The part where he defeated her with it. I don't know what definition of outclass you use, but Marek was clearly the superior in that regard and a loss is a loss.

Thanks, Mom. I'll be sure to remind Swype how to spell the name of random planets in Star Wars. And no it's not. It's a nexus she personalized herself for the opposite alignment. How is that boon for Marek, an apprentice before his prime? Marek who's weaker than either RotS Kenobi or Anakin, I might add.

You really need to understand the difference between raw force power and skill

Freshest, you have a source for that? That's a rhetoretical question which four other people have already failed against. Go and find me a source calling it a nexus, dark or regular.

People lowball Shaak Ti by trying to apply a nexus that has not once even been referenced to. She kicked Galen's ass, whether it be Force dominating him whilst lecturing him or being his physical and skillful superior by every measure.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Anakin solos.

Originally posted by Selenial
You really need to understand the difference between raw force power and skill
Trust me, it's not a hard subject to grasp. And it doesn't matter when she still dies, but whatever. Anakin has more raw power and skill than Ti, and Obi-Wan is stronger than Koon.

As for you AP:

Native to the Force-rich world of Felucia, the Felucian shamans are among
the most talented natural Force-users in the galaxy. The world of Felucia is
tied intimately to the Living Force, and as such the world's flora and fauna,
including the Felucians themselves, can be influenced by the presence of
strong agents of the Force, both light and dark.

Right there in the campaign guide for the Force Unleashed. Note the phrasing "Force-Rich." It's a nexus. And Ti was tailoring it towards the Light.