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Who wins...messiaah cable vs supes..

Cable wins. Which Superman is this? DCNU or Post?

Cable wins this. Supes would be holding back too much, whereas Cable was able to cut loose and put things back together.

cable's only chance would be tp assault, but supes has some crazy to resistance feats. purely depends on whether you think he could resist or not. i'd say he could, but how many times out of 10? not sure. i guess he could try and do what black did with his tk (aka stroke). that never quite worked for me because his organs should be as invulnerable as the rest of him, but i guess it could possibly work. begs the question why he didn't do something like that to ss....

if we assume he can beat superman, do we also assume then that he can beat thor? bill? cap marvel? black adam? plutonian? majestic? he should certainly be able to take out hulk without issue. i wonder if a ring would keep him from inducing a stroke in hal? i don't really feel comfortable with giving him wins over those guys, at all... but, maybe he would take them.

He could beat everyone you've named and looking at physical hits, he crumbled Surfer board in a single hit, mind you, he was weakened when he did this. I guess you brought up Hulk no issue due to bfring him?

Superman wins. Easily. Cable's durability was shit.

Originally posted by leonidas
cable's only chance would be tp assault, but supes has some crazy to resistance feats. purely depends on whether you think he could resist or not. i'd say he could, but how many times out of 10? not sure. i guess he could try and do what black did with his tk (aka stroke). that never quite worked for me because his organs should be as invulnerable as the rest of him, but i guess it could possibly work. begs the question why he didn't do something like that to ss....

if we assume he can beat superman, do we also assume then that he can beat thor? bill? cap marvel? black adam? plutonian? majestic? he should certainly be able to take out hulk without issue. i wonder if a ring would keep him from inducing a stroke in hal? i don't really feel comfortable with giving him wins over those guys, at all... but, maybe he would take them.

There is no way in hell Superman could stand up to Cable's telepathic assault and fight at the same time. No way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman wins. Easily. Cable's durability was shit. But of course you are compelled by emotion to say that

Originally posted by psycho gundam
But of course you are compelled by emotion to say that

Compelled is the right choice of words.

Cables durabilty is shit. But he has shields, and Deadpool level regen.

Originally posted by carver9
He could beat everyone you've named and looking at physical hits, he crumbled Surfer board in a single hit, mind you, he was weakened when he did this. I guess you brought up Hulk no issue due to bfring him?

bfr? wut? he could just explode his brain. hell reg cable and storm put hulk down. or he could play around with his anger level, or anything he could do to any of the others.

who by the by i don't see him beating anymore than i see him beating silver surfer....

"Superman wins. Easily"

That part

Originally posted by psycho gundam
But of course you are compelled by emotion to say that
I've gone against Cable in tourney twice. I know everything about the character. Originally posted by "Id"
Cables durabilty is shit. But he has shields, and Deadpool level regen.
His shields will be torn apart like nothing. And his HF was never that high.

In essence, it's nothing Superman doesn't handle on day to day basis.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
"Superman wins. Easily"

That part
Do you want me to post Superman's feats here?

i tend to agree with abhi. the only issue would be the manchester black-type tk feat.... cable's not done that exactly, but he has messed with others bodies at the cellular level.... could he do it to supes? i dunno, maybe...

Originally posted by leonidas
i tend to agree with abhi. the only issue would be the manchester black-type tk feat.... cable's not done that exactly, but he has messed with others bodies at the cellular level.... could he do it to supes? i dunno, maybe...
Superman was taking it easy on Black. And even then tanked his TK attack and totality of Coldcasts power blowing in his face.

Then beat the shit out of all of them. And Black was blowing up moons for fun.

Abhi can you post what happened when Superman went up against Kosnor's TP? You know, the Aquaman villain.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Abhi can you post what happened when Superman went up against Kosnor's TP? You know, the Aquaman villain.

Lol...don't think he wants to post this.

Originally posted by leonidas
i tend to agree with abhi. the only issue would be the manchester black-type tk feat.... cable's not done that exactly, but he has messed with others bodies at the cellular level.... could he do it to supes? i dunno, maybe...

So possibly the strongest telepath in Marvel would not affect Superman? Wow.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Abhi can you post what happened when Superman went up against Kosnor's TP? You know, the Aquaman villain.

Right, since he has all the feats. You should have specified "with no commentary."

Originally posted by One-Punch
Abhi can you post what happened when Superman went up against Kosnor's TP? You know, the Aquaman villain.
You mean Superman had a low showing? Do you want me to post Superman throwing Mxy twins out of his head?

I can post Superman outperforming telepaths more times than he has a low showing against telepaths. Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So possibly the strongest telepath in Marvel would not affect Superman? Wow.
Affect? Yes. Defeat? No.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean Superman had a low showing? Do you want me to post Superman throwing Mxy twins out of his head?

Can you also post his showings against Grodd, Despero, Agamemno, Jericho, Pacifier, David Gundersen, Prana, Macrolatts, Silver Banshee, Sleez, along with Kosnor as well?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean Superman had a low showing? Do you want me to post Superman throwing Mxy twins out of his head?

I can post Superman outperforming telepaths more times than he has a low showing against telepaths.
Affect? Yes. Defeat? No.

Forget the outcome, if this guy is being pounded by a telepath the level of God Cable, how they hell is he going to be able to fight against the TP as well? He's not even going to know where Cable is. Superman is no Sufer, he doesn't have TK or TP to counter with.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Can you also post his showings against Grodd, Despero, Agamemno, Jericho, Pacifier, David Gundersen, Prana, Macrolatts, Silver Banshee, Sleez, along with Kosnor as well?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you want me to post Superman's feats here? It's new 52 unless specified otherwise.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Can you also post his showings against Grodd, Despero, Agamemno, Jericho, Pacifier, David Gundersen, Prana, Macrolatts, Silver Banshee, Sleez, along with Kosnor as well?
The sleeze one you can post. Always been one of the best scenes in comics. Boom chikkawowow...

Superman wins easily. He's insanely faster. He could beat Cable before one neuron fires in his head.

A blast from HV would be sufficient. Or just a blitzing punch and it's over.

Again with this speed crap?..you know,when has superman ever fought that fast in the first place? Especially within the earth's atmosphere?

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman wins easily. He's insanely faster. He could beat Cable before one neuron fires in his head.

A blast from HV would be sufficient. Or just a blitzing punch and it's over.


I'm reporting you.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm reporting you.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Can you also post his showings against Grodd, Despero, Agamemno, Jericho, Pacifier, David Gundersen, Prana, Macrolatts, Silver Banshee, Sleez, along with Kosnor as well?
Grodd only has gone against Superman either with an amp or when Superman was weakened by Lex's kryptonite armor.

Superman outright resisted Despero in JLA when he was mindcontrolling J'onn and Aquaman.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy3.jpg

Agamemno only switched his consciousness with Lex when they were ambushed and he was a monster TP wise.

Superman outright ejected Jericho from his body twice.


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03c.jpg


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010c.jpg

Pacifier didn't actually used psi, it used nervous system control on him.

David Gundersen used a machine to swap his consciousness with Superman.

Prana and Zahara both failed to do anything to Superman. Just connecting with his mind nearly killed Prana.

Macrolatts were not psi, they were energy beings who resided in Superman's body.

Silver Banshee even learning his kryptonian name could not do more than disorient him when it is supposed to kill everybody instantly.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23826739/ManOfSteel131l.jpg.html

As for Sleez, he could only influence Superman while he was unconscious.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23826851_Action_Comics_593_-_19.jpg

Kosnor also did not use psi on him, he used to control his motor functions. Anymore low showings you want to tell us?

Lol.

that is what I said superman detractors are usually superman experts as if they have read at least 50% of his comics, this just proves it once again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Grodd only has gone against Superman either with an amp or when Superman was weakened by Lex's kryptonite armor.

Superman outright resisted Despero in JLA when he was mindcontrolling J'onn and Aquaman.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy3.jpg

Agamemno only switched his consciousness with Lex when they were ambushed and he was a monster TP wise.

Superman outright ejected Jericho from his body twice.


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03c.jpg


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010c.jpg

Pacifier didn't actually used psi, it used nervous system control on him.

David Gundersen used a machine to swap his consciousness with Superman.

Prana and Zahara both failed to do anything to Superman. Just connecting with his mind nearly killed Prana.

Macrolatts were not psi, they were energy beings who resided in Superman's body.

Silver Banshee even learning his kryptonian name could not do more than disorient him when it is supposed to kill everybody instantly.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23826739/ManOfSteel131l.jpg.html

As for Sleez, he could only influence Superman while he was unconscious.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23826851_Action_Comics_593_-_19.jpg

Kosnor also did not use psi on him, he used to control his motor functions. Anymore low showings you want to tell us?



So he was controlled by lesser beings, got it. Messiah Cable will have no problem.

By the way Abby, you are a fat ass liar. Superman resisted it for a moment, and moment in which Despero says not even his Kryptonian mind can resist his TP and Clark says "Maybe not, Despero..." right before Red Tornado saves his ass! He momentarily resisted Despero until someone else could attack Despero. That won't be the case in a on on one fight against Cable....liar.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
that is what I said superman detractors are usually superman experts as if they have read at least 50% of his comics, this just proves it once again.

Why don't you try reading what actually happened in the Despero encounter?

Not sure why a telpath affecting Superman who is not on the level of omgwtfzorx beings is considered a low showing for him. God Cable is a powerful telepath. It is just another weapon he will use against Superman if they ever meet on opposing sides. Not saying that it will be totally 100% effective in defeating Supes, but it will affect him more often than not. It's ridiculous that some here are claiming that nothing short of a skyfather ++ will not hurt Superman telepathically.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure why a telpath affecting Superman who is not on the level of omgwtfzorx beings is considered a low showing for him. God Cable is a powerful telepath. It is just another weapon he will use against Superman if they ever meet on opposing sides. Not saying that it will be totally 100% effective in defeating Supes, but it will affect him more often than not. It's ridiculous that some here are claiming that nothing short of a skyfather ++ will not hurt Superman telepathically.

Reported for telling the truth.

Don't think people realize that everything Cable did, he did it while doing 59 other chores. Everyone he fought, he fought while still doing routines world wide. He wasn't at 100%, not even close.

I'm giving him the nod here. Especially if his power is fully focused on Superman. A telepathic assault will slow Superman down. Hell, looking at ABHI scans, it will halt him. Cable has a thousand other ways to go about the battle once that happens.

That's a good point, actually. Would Cable be fighting at full potential, or would he be in character, saving the world etc?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure why a telpath affecting Superman who is not on the level of omgwtfzorx beings is considered a low showing for him. God Cable is a powerful telepath. It is just another weapon he will use against Superman if they ever meet on opposing sides. Not saying that it will be totally 100% effective in defeating Supes, but it will affect him more often than not. It's ridiculous that some here are claiming that nothing short of a skyfather ++ will not hurt Superman telepathically.

That's the shit they are on. Cable used TK and TP on a true global scale.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's a good point, actually. Would Cable be fighting at full potential, or would he be in character, saving the world etc?

Saving the world was not in character, it was his motivation at the time. Superman's motivation is also saying the world, so that's a wash. The fact is during his fight with SS, Cable a) never stopped concentrating his efforts on other things INCLUDING maintaining the floating city of Greymalkin and b) intended to die in order that the world see that they were able to work together united. So, imagine if Superman had to face the full brunt of Cable's TK/TP assault. It would be ugly.

Originally posted by abhilegend Grodd only has gone against Superman either with an amp or when Superman was weakened by Lex's kryptonite armor.

Superman outright resisted Despero in JLA when he was mindcontrolling J'onn and Aquaman.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy3.jpg

Agamemno only switched his consciousness with Lex when they were ambushed and he was a monster TP wise.

Superman outright ejected Jericho from his body twice.


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03c.jpg


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010c.jpg

Pacifier didn't actually used psi, it used nervous system control on him.

David Gundersen used a machine to swap his consciousness with Superman.

Prana and Zahara both failed to do anything to Superman. Just connecting with his mind nearly killed Prana.

Macrolatts were not psi, they were energy beings who resided in Superman's body.

Silver Banshee even learning his kryptonian name could not do more than disorient him when it is supposed to kill everybody instantly.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23826739/ManOfSteel131l.jpg.html

As for Sleez, he could only influence Superman while he was unconscious.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23826851_Action_Comics_593_-_19.jpg

Kosnor also did not use psi on him, he used to control his motor functions. Anymore low showings you want to tell us?


Grodd looks just fine owning Superman here with TP and the placebo effect lol.

http://s13.postimg.org/qry9fg7o3/P00051.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/e1u12czpv/P00053.jpg

Your Despero scans specifically say Superman can't resist his TP, and Despero gets interrupted whenever he's trying to TP Superman. Here, try this on for size:

http://s14.postimg.org/tpwnolin1/P00020.jpg

Agamemno did it so casually, simply had Luthor touch Superman to switch their minds. Shouldn't feel bad though, the same thing happened to the rest of the league. It was a fun story. Although Sinestro in Hal's body beating a Guardian was a little weird.

http://s2.postimg.org/kz92r6iz9/P00063.jpg

Pacifier was specifically stated to be a psychic parasite. It's even bolded in the scan. You don't think Cable with his monstrous TK and TP can affect Superman the same way?

http://s14.postimg.org/v2wq9g9lp/Paci1.jpg http://s14.postimg.org/r3ziqmkyl/Paci2.jpg http://s14.postimg.org/gxqx7n0kd/Paci3.jpg

I forgot about Barda knocking Superman out with the Mega Rod before Sleeze mind-controlled him.

http://s8.postimg.org/3k8drvvip/P00104.jpg

Then there's Zizik taking out Superman with a mind-bolt.

http://s17.postimg.org/efp7ftrcr/Zizik.jpg

Remember the time Silver Banshee puts Superman in a trance and forces him to marry her? They technically do get married, and I don't remember them annulling the marriage...
http://s10.postimg.org/jee4xw2ll/Banshee.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/rim92mp0p/Banshee2.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/nd7q57q17/Banshee3.jpg

Superman specifically says Kosnor used "telepathic compulsion", to bring him to his knees and imprison them.
http://s9.postimg.org/h5np22h4f/Kosnor_o.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/4czl255in/Kosnor.jpg


Darn, out of space for images, there are plenty more, but I think people get the picture.

But I like how Rao thinks only Superman fanboys read Superman comics. Superman fanboys (and notice I said fanboys and not fans because there's a big difference) are exactly the people you want to avoid when it comes to interpreting Superman comics. It's been shown time and time again the feats are grossly exaggerated to the point where Super fanboys think Superman is on average some unbeatable abstract/skyfather level.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure why a telpath affecting Superman who is not on the level of omgwtfzorx beings is considered a low showing for him. God Cable is a powerful telepath. It is just another weapon he will use against Superman if they ever meet on opposing sides. Not saying that it will be totally 100% effective in defeating Supes, but it will affect him more often than not. It's ridiculous that some here are claiming that nothing short of a skyfather ++ will not hurt Superman telepathically.


The reality is, if you just read through any random Superman volume, most of the time you'll see him struggling and being defeated by people ranging from trans and herald level to meta level. This happens all the time, the problem is Superman fanboys take some high showings and act like that's his average.

Here's a bonus scan everyone can enjoy; Barda being mind-controlled to be a stripper:

http://s2.postimg.org/c16y157dh/P00098.jpg

Originally posted by One-Punch
Grodd looks just fine owning Superman here with TP and the placebo effect lol.

http://s13.postimg.org/qry9fg7o3/P00051.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/e1u12czpv/P00053.jpg

Your Despero scans specifically say Superman can't resist his TP, and Despero gets interrupted whenever he's trying to TP Superman. Here, try this on for size:

http://s14.postimg.org/tpwnolin1/P00020.jpg

Agamemno did it so casually, simply had Luthor touch Superman to switch their minds. Shouldn't feel bad though, the same thing happened to the rest of the league. It was a fun story. Although Sinestro in Hal's body beating a Guardian was a little weird.

http://s2.postimg.org/kz92r6iz9/P00063.jpg

Pacifier was specifically stated to be a psychic parasite. It's even bolded in the scan. You don't think Cable with his monstrous TK and TP can affect Superman the same way?

http://s14.postimg.org/v2wq9g9lp/Paci1.jpg http://s14.postimg.org/r3ziqmkyl/Paci2.jpg http://s14.postimg.org/gxqx7n0kd/Paci3.jpg

I forgot about Barda knocking Superman out with the Mega Rod before Sleeze mind-controlled him.

http://s8.postimg.org/3k8drvvip/P00104.jpg

Then there's Zizik taking out Superman with a mind-bolt.

http://s17.postimg.org/efp7ftrcr/Zizik.jpg

Remember the time Silver Banshee puts Superman in a trance and forces him to marry her? They technically do get married, and I don't remember them annulling the marriage...
http://s10.postimg.org/jee4xw2ll/Banshee.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/rim92mp0p/Banshee2.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/nd7q57q17/Banshee3.jpg

Superman specifically says Kosnor used "telepathic compulsion", to bring him to his knees and imprison them.
http://s9.postimg.org/h5np22h4f/Kosnor_o.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/4czl255in/Kosnor.jpg


Darn, out of space for images, there are plenty more, but I think people get the picture.

But I like how Rao thinks only Superman fanboys read Superman comics. Superman fanboys (and notice I said fanboys and not fans because there's a big difference) are exactly the people you want to avoid when it comes to interpreting Superman comics. It's been shown time and time again the feats are grossly exaggerated to the point where Super fanboys think Superman is on average some unbeatable abstract/skyfather level.


Damn Abby, just quit. You too, RAO. You can't have been more exposed.

All shit talking aside, Punch is 100% correct about how you clowns don't understand or refuse to accept that because characters like Superman are all over the place, the board goes by AVERAGES. You should be fine with this because although Superman's performances show a wide range of variance, he still has a fairly high means. In other words, you genius don't even have to resort to arguing exclusively from the high end (Abby), portraying him out of character (h1) and lying (Abby, RAO) like you are so willing to do on a daily basis. This proves you all are a fanboys, not fans.

Originally posted by One-Punch


The reality is, if you just read through any random Superman volume, most of the time you'll see him struggling and being defeated by people ranging from trans and herald level to meta level. This happens all the time, the problem is Superman fanboys take some high showings and act like that's his average.

Here's a bonus scan everyone can enjoy; Barda being mind-controlled to be a stripper:

http://s2.postimg.org/c16y157dh/P00098.jpg

Maxima too has affected Superman psionically.

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy20.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy21.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy22.jpg.html

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_psibolt12.jpg.html

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maxima too has affected Superman psionically.

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy20.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy21.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy22.jpg.html

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_psibolt12.jpg.html

Affected? More like ass ****ed his mind.


Cable turned the world pink. Pretty sure he could turn the sun red.

Does superman have testes for this battle or just standard equipment

Originally posted by One-Punch


The reality is, if you just read through any random Superman volume, most of the time you'll see him struggling and being defeated by people ranging from trans and herald level to meta level. This happens all the time, the problem is Superman fanboys take some high showings and act like that's his average.

Correct.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Here's a bonus scan everyone can enjoy; Barda being mind-controlled to be a stripper:

http://s2.postimg.org/c16y157dh/P00098.jpg



Sleez must've used her a lot off-panel

Originally posted by One-Punch


The reality is, if you just read through any random Superman volume, most of the time you'll see him struggling and being defeated by people ranging from trans and herald level to meta level. This happens all the time, the problem is Superman fanboys take some high showings and act like that's his average.

Here's a bonus scan everyone can enjoy; Barda being mind-controlled to be a stripper:

http://s2.postimg.org/c16y157dh/P00098.jpg

this is very true. thing is with superman, he has so many showings, that it's easy to find showings that contradict the above. i could see cable winning some of these, but trying to figure out how many is really tough given his range of showings.

Kind of hard to say... Cable was pretty much half dead when he fought Surfer. But his durability was questionable at best, it would be conceivable for Superman to just bum rush Cable and beat him into a coma. But I could see Cable getting into Clarks mind as well, so I guess it's one of those "quick draw" type fights. Whoever strikes first wins.

Originally posted by Raisen
Does superman have testes for this battle or just standard equipment

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Kind of hard to say... Cable was pretty much half dead when he fought Surfer. But his durability was questionable at best, it would be conceivable for Superman to just bum rush Cable and beat him into a coma. But I could see Cable getting into Clarks mind as well, so I guess it's one of those "quick draw" type fights. Whoever strikes first wins.

Bumrush? Planetary level TK that changed that landscape and rerouted rivers. Superman isn't touching him at full power.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Grodd looks just fine owning Superman here with TP and the placebo effect lol.

http://s13.postimg.org/qry9fg7o3/P00051.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/e1u12czpv/P00053.jpg

Your Despero scans specifically say Superman can't resist his TP, and Despero gets interrupted whenever he's trying to TP Superman. Here, try this on for size:

http://s14.postimg.org/tpwnolin1/P00020.jpg

Agamemno did it so casually, simply had Luthor touch Superman to switch their minds. Shouldn't feel bad though, the same thing happened to the rest of the league. It was a fun story. Although Sinestro in Hal's body beating a Guardian was a little weird.

http://s2.postimg.org/kz92r6iz9/P00063.jpg

Pacifier was specifically stated to be a psychic parasite. It's even bolded in the scan. You don't think Cable with his monstrous TK and TP can affect Superman the same way?

http://s14.postimg.org/v2wq9g9lp/Paci1.jpg http://s14.postimg.org/r3ziqmkyl/Paci2.jpg http://s14.postimg.org/gxqx7n0kd/Paci3.jpg

I forgot about Barda knocking Superman out with the Mega Rod before Sleeze mind-controlled him.

http://s8.postimg.org/3k8drvvip/P00104.jpg

Then there's Zizik taking out Superman with a mind-bolt.

http://s17.postimg.org/efp7ftrcr/Zizik.jpg

Remember the time Silver Banshee puts Superman in a trance and forces him to marry her? They technically do get married, and I don't remember them annulling the marriage...
http://s10.postimg.org/jee4xw2ll/Banshee.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/rim92mp0p/Banshee2.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/nd7q57q17/Banshee3.jpg

Superman specifically says Kosnor used "telepathic compulsion", to bring him to his knees and imprison them.
http://s9.postimg.org/h5np22h4f/Kosnor_o.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/4czl255in/Kosnor.jpg


Darn, out of space for images, there are plenty more, but I think people get the picture.

But I like how Rao thinks only Superman fanboys read Superman comics. Superman fanboys (and notice I said fanboys and not fans because there's a big difference) are exactly the people you want to avoid when it comes to interpreting Superman comics. It's been shown time and time again the feats are grossly exaggerated to the point where Super fanboys think Superman is on average some unbeatable abstract/skyfather level.

Thing is,

A)Most all of these are pretty old. Over time he built up more and more resistance, just as all of his power continued to rise.

B) And in most of them he is severely explicitly weakened.

Originally posted by Juntai

1) Brainiac 13: B 13 threw the fear of Earth's entire population into Superman's head -- Superman broke free of the attack within a panel or so. (Superman: Endgame TPB)

2) Despero: Despero had taken control of most of the JLA. He overtook bother Aquaman and J'onn Jonzz at the same time, but could not take Superman at all. (Pre-IC JLA issue)

3) Union: Union was the sum of billions of beings' mental strengths. He attacked Superman and Superman shrugged off his attack within a few panels and then beat down Union. (Superman in exile arc)

4) Neron: While in Hell, Neron attacked Superman's mind; Superman overcame it within a few panels. (Tie in to the Day of Judgment arc)

5) J'onn J'onzz: Superman throws J'onn J'onzz out of Superman's head. (Superman: King of the World). Mere contact with Superman's mind sends J'onn for a loop. (Superman: Where is Thy Sting) J'onn Jonzz states that his telepathy can not detect Superman if Superman does not wish to be detected.

6) The Fatal Five: Superman is attacked by the telepath of the Fatal Five. He resists her attack, pushing it back on her and taking her out.

7) Eclipso: Superman allows Eclipso into his head and then forces Eclipso out, just to see if he is strong enough mentally to do so. He then explains that, over the years, he builds up "a resistance to telepathy."


Keep in mind that final sentence.

And notice the level of those enemies.
Amped Despero.
The ruler of Hell, Neron.
Brainiac 13,
Eclipso, the former spirit of vengeance.
etc.


I'm not saying it means he'll win, as I'm not familiar with Cable's feats, but stop trying to sell him short.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Bumrush? Planetary level TK that changed that landscape and rerouted rivers. Superman isn't touching him at full power.

So? Superman has more than one planetary strength feat.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
So? Superman has more than one planetary strength feat.

So? That won't help him get through to Cable and he won't even know where he is. Or did you forget Grod mind ****ed him? Cable is exponentially stronger and had top level TK.

So now its going from "low showings" to "omit all context and hope nobody catches me"? While its fun for me to show how butthurt you really are here, its not fun for everyone else it seems.


Originally posted by One-Punch
Grodd looks just fine owning Superman here with TP and the placebo effect lol.

http://s13.postimg.org/qry9fg7o3/P00051.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/e1u12czpv/P00053.jpg

What you forgot to mention that Grodd was hugely amped.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859106/JLA-Incarnations2-30.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859107/JLA-Incarnations2-31.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859108/JLA-Incarnations2-32.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859109/JLA-Incarnations2-33.jpg.html

What a coincidence, right?

That's despero bragging about. Superman was directly resisting his TP when it was powerful enough to control J'onn and Arthur combined. And for your silver age scans, Despero essentially suckered all of them.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23832911_SilverAgeSecretFiles1p19.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23832912_SilverAgeSecretFiles1p20.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23832913_SilverAgeSecretFiles1p21.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23832914_SilverAgeSecretFiles1p22.jpg

Funny how that works, eh?



Like I said it was an ambush. And Agmemno was a monster TP wise.



Superman specifically says his nervous system was affected and it wasn't his TP or something.

And no, Cable did not show anything remotely like directly affecting nervous system.

So, we are just on low showings and forget that Barda essentially suckershotted him?


Superman was still weak from entering hyperspace a few pages ago.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23832918/sup_tes__0017.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23832919/sup_tes__0018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23832920/sup_tes__0019.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23832921/sup_tes__0020.jpg.html

Funny how that works, eh?

It was a spell from Tullus and it took 3 weeks to take effect on Superman.

Now, we are flat out ignoring all context mode.

Funny.

Your own scans tell that he isn't a mind reader but can control other beings.

How many times you can ignore context?


That you're just lying through your teeth?



Its not incorrect if your behavior is any example. Superman has amny low showings, I know more than anybody here.

But these aren't them. These are flat out lying at best.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maxima too has affected Superman psionically.

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy20.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy21.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy22.jpg.html

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_psibolt12.jpg.html
First time Superman was already controlled by Eradicator.

Second time, it was a psi blast which did nothing more than hurl him back.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Damn Abby, just quit. You too, RAO. You can't have been more exposed.

All shit talking aside, Punch is 100% correct about how you clowns don't understand or refuse to accept that because characters like Superman are all over the place, the board goes by AVERAGES. You should be fine with this because although Superman's performances show a wide range of variance, he still has a fairly high means. In other words, you genius don't even have to resort to arguing exclusively from the high end (Abby), portraying him out of character (h1) and lying (Abby, RAO) like you are so willing to do on a daily basis. This proves you all are a fanboys, not fans.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is very true. thing is with superman, he has so many showings, that it's easy to find showings that contradict the above. i could see cable winning some of these, but trying to figure out how many is really tough given his range of showings.
Its funny how much out of context scenes are there.

Vince is even more shameless than I thought.

He enjoys using out of continuity and out of context scans.
it's the easiest way to make it look like he knows what he's doing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its funny how much out of context scenes are there.

Vince is even more shameless than I thought.





YOU are talking about debating out context? Aren't you the poster who strings together pieces of different story arcs by different writers from different eras and tries to construct facts out of a steaming pile? So Triumph is "magically powered" which made him "more dangerous" to Superman even though there was absolutely no mention of it in the story?

Still sore about that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Still sore about that?


No, I still can't believe you tried to pull that off. Your performance was the KMC forums poster equivalent of an episode of America's Dumbest Criminals.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, I still can't believe you tried to pull that off. Your performance was the KMC forums poster equivalent of an episode of America's Dumbest Criminals.
So yes, you're still quite sore about that.

At this point you're just bitching for nothing.

Do you two need a room?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And his HF was never that high.

What are you talking about? He displayed high healing factor in that same arc.

From mixing his DNA with Deadpool, the teleporter in Providence recognized Deadpool and Cable as the same person. So when ever they teleported at the same time, they would fuse with each other, rip each other apart, and heal from it.

Yea,that was pretty disgusting