Wolverine vs Bourne

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HulkIsHulk
Movie Wolverine with feats from all movies vs Jason Bourne with feats from all movies. They fight in a corporate office in the basement of the Chrysler Tower (just go with it). How would it go?

KingD19
So...so it''s a guy with super strength and durability, an unbreakable skeleton, and 6 claws vs a highly skilled soldier? Yeah Bourne gets eviscerated.

FrothByte
At least give Bourne some kind of weapon.

TheVaultDweller
lol Bourne dies here

FrothByte
To be fair, Wolverine had quite a bit of trouble with some random samurai yakuza or whatnot. I believe if you hive Bourne a decent weapn he'd give Wolverine one hell of a fight. Making him fight h2h os just cruel though.

KingD19
Originally posted by FrothByte
To be fair, Wolverine had quite a bit of trouble with some random samurai yakuza or whatnot. I believe if you hive Bourne a decent weapn he'd give Wolverine one hell of a fight. Making him fight h2h os just cruel though.


Wolverine who had no healing factor and was slowly dying from metal poisoning and increasing injuries had trouble with highly trained, modern day samurai assassins. He waded through Yakuza quite easily(the train fight). And even then, he was strong enough to pull like 12+ fully grown men along with him despite being littered with their poisoned arrows.

HulkIsHulk
You know, I thought an office building would give Bourne plenty of weapons. Broken glass shards, pens, books, tables, paper weights, computer keyboards and monitors, tube-lights, lot of lethal items there.
What if it was made pure h2h and Wolverine has no healing factor but adamantium skeleton?

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
You know, I thought an office building would give Bourne plenty of weapons. Broken glass shards, pens, books, tables, paper weights, computer keyboards and monitors, tube-lights, lot of lethal items there.

In recent years, Logan has consistently been shown to tank bullets like they are little better than paintballs, used his body as a friggin' human shield during a nuclear explosion, and when Shingen stabbed him multiple times with a katana it did little more than piss him off. Do you really think keyboards, pens and paperweights are going to faze him? Those items might potentially be lethal to regular humans but to Logan they would be little more than a minor inconvenience.


Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
What if it was made pure h2h and Wolverine has no healing factor but adamantium skeleton?

Unless Bourne's fists are harder than the Blob's head I don't know how on earth he is going to do any notable damage to Logan, even without a healing factor. On the flip side, Logan only needs to land a few solid hits to start causing major damage. Logan can hit hard enough to KO Creed with one good shot, so he can definitely KO Bourne.

Make it bone claw Logan and give Bourne a bladed weapon and then it becomes a better fight.

FrothByte
I have to disagree. If it was pure h2h with no HF for Logan then he'd end up with dislocated limbs, a crushed windpipe and gouged eye balls adamantium skeleton or no.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by FrothByte
I have to disagree. If it was pure h2h with no HF for Logan then he'd end up with dislocated limbs, a crushed windpipe and gouged eye balls adamantium skeleton or no.

Well, gonna have to agree to disagree. Maybe Logan as he was portrayed earlier in the films, but his skill levels have improved as the films have progressed. He went from getting wailed on by fodder in that cage, in X1, to being able to throw it down with guys like Shingen by the time of The Wolverine. I personally struggle to see Bourne beating him in H2H. Remember, Logan is still a lot stronger and more durable than Jason is, even without the healing factor, and he isn't so slow and unskilled that Bourne can just dance around him. But eh, that's my personal opinion on the matter.

KingD19
Bourne can't dislocate Logan's limbs bone-claw or Adamantium. The damage he's tanked in both forms would have made it happen if it was going to happen. Like going full speed on a motorcycle and digging his claws into the ground to make a u-turn. Or flying past a bullet train and jamming his claws into the roof to stop himself.

Even as bone-claw his fight with Sabretooth in the lumber yard would have separated something considering how much stronger he is than Bourne.

Also yeah Logan has fought guys far more skilled and physically capable than Bourne. Deadpool, Sabretooth, Deathstryke, Shingen, Silver Samurai, etc...

TheVaultDweller
I wouldn't say far more skilled, but definitely stronger, tougher, and in some cases faster and more versatile.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I wouldn't say far more skilled, but definitely stronger, tougher, and in some cases faster and more versatile.

Yeah Bourne would die against most of Wolverine's opponents in seconds. The only he would have a chance against is Mystique. Which reminds me....

Time-Immemorial
Could you come up with a stupider OP? I won't put it past you though.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Could you come up with a stupider OP? I won't put it past you though.
:lol Honey, your insults are antique and outdated. Try something new

Time-Immemorial
First time I insulted you, but this thread sucks. Were you on lsd when you made it?

FrothByte
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, gonna have to agree to disagree. Maybe Logan as he was portrayed earlier in the films, but his skill levels have improved as the films have progressed. He went from getting wailed on by fodder in that cage, in X1, to being able to throw it down with guys like Shingen by the time of The Wolverine. I personally struggle to see Bourne beating him in H2H. Remember, Logan is still a lot stronger and more durable than Jason is, even without the healing factor, and he isn't so slow and unskilled that Bourne can just dance around him. But eh, that's my personal opinion on the matter.

Well you can't simply discount Wolverine's earlier feats and concentrate on his highest end feats.

For all of his supposed strength, humans were able to block his claw swipes with a katana.

Him being tough is a result of his HF. Without it he'll be able to tank injuries about as much as a tough human.

Besides, strength won't matter when there's such a huge discrepancy in h2h skill. How's his strength going to help him when he gets a knife chop against is throat?

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by FrothByte Well you can't simply discount Wolverine's earlier feats and concentrate on his highest end feats.
You should remember that the same applies for Bourne

Originally posted by FrothByte For all of his supposed strength, humans were able to block his claw swipes with a katana.

The same claws that allowed him to cut through prtty much everything without trying? Now you are simply focusing ont he lowest feats. Remmebr the same can be done for Bourne
Originally posted by FrothByte Him being tough is a result of his HF. Without it he'll be able to tank injuries about as much as a tough human.
Wolverine's adamantium skeleton says hi
Originally posted by FrothByte Besides, strength won't matter when there's such a huge discrepancy in h2h skill.
It will begin to when Wolverine gets his hits in, unless you're suggesting Bourne won't be touched by Wolverine, which is bull
Originally posted by FrothByte How's his strength going to help him when he gets a knife chop against is throat?
Unless Wolverine is going to die from the throat chop, he has shown enough pain tolerance to keep fighting

HulkIsHulk
I started this thread because in several message boards many were saying in the right environment Bourne would stomp opponents who would merc Wolvverine in a fight. Clearly, this board does not share the view

Time-Immemorial
So Wolverine wins, now what?

By the way you spelled Wolverine.."Wolverien" in the last choice on the poll.

FrothByte
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
You should remember that the same applies for Bourne


The same claws that allowed him to cut through prtty much everything without trying? Now you are simply focusing ont he lowest feats. Remmebr the same can be done for Bourne

Wolverine's adamantium skeleton says hi

It will begin to when Wolverine gets his hits in, unless you're suggesting Bourne won't be touched by Wolverine, which is bull

Unless Wolverine is going to die from the throat chop, he has shown enough pain tolerance to keep fighting

Then by all means, include Bourne's low end feats. That still doesn't mean you get to turn a blind eye to Wolverine getting his ass completely blitzed by an unarmed Mystique nor the fact that humans were blocking claw swipes from Wolverine with a katana.

Prove that Wolverine can continue fighting despite getting his throat crushed if he doesn't have his HF? That's a pretty lofty claim you're putting there, you'll need to back it up.

As for Wolverine unable to land hits on Bourne, that's exactly what I'm saying. Considering this is Wolverine without his powers and a pure h2h fight - Wolverine will eventually land hits but not before Bourne has landed multiple debilitating hits already.

KingD19
Would like to point out that Mystique herself has displayed superhuman strength, agility, and high end martial arts skills in all 5 movies she's been in. She'd kill Bourne in a hit or two.

And they might have blocked claw swipes, but he's still done stuff like cut off a robot's head(in the Danger Room), cut clean through a man's arm with a single swipe, and chopped a scaffolding down in a few swipes.

And in The Wolverine he had his HF nearly stopped and took multiple stab wounds and bullets pretty well.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by FrothByte
As for Wolverine unable to land hits on Bourne, that's exactly what I'm saying. Considering this is Wolverine without his powers and a pure h2h fight - Wolverine will eventually land hits but not before Bourne has landed multiple debilitating hits already.
Wolverine is without his claws or healing factor, not totally depowered and human. And he still has his adamantium skeleton. Which will reduce the damage that Bourne can inflict on him, and those "evetually" landing hits has the potential to cause more damage than Bourne's in a feature-less environment.

FrothByte
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Wolverine is without his claws or healing factor, not totally depowered and human. And he still has his adamantium skeleton. Which will reduce the damage that Bourne can inflict on him, and those "evetually" landing hits has the potential to cause more damage than Bourne's in a feature-less environment.

In X1 a cage fighter hit Wolverine multiple times without hurting himself. Only hurt himself when he hit Logan's forehead straight on IIrC.

Adamantium skeleton won't stop getting your joints dislocated or tendons torn.

Logan is stronger than Bourne, agreed. But it won't be enough to make up for the massive skill gap.

KingD19
Originally posted by FrothByte
In X1 a cage fighter hit Wolverine multiple times without hurting himself. Only hurt himself when he hit Logan's forehead straight on IIrC.

Adamantium skeleton won't stop getting your joints dislocated or tendons torn.

Logan is stronger than Bourne, agreed. But it won't be enough to make up for the massive skill gap.

Logan has done things that should have yanked his bones from his body, but it hasn't happened, so Bourne won't be able to do it.

If going 50 or more and using one arm as a pivot to turn yourself around doesn't dislocate Logan's shoulder, Bourne won't.

FrothByte
Originally posted by KingD19
Logan has done things that should have yanked his bones from his body, but it hasn't happened, so Bourne won't be able to do it.

If going 50 or more and using one arm as a pivot to turn yourself around doesn't dislocate Logan's shoulder, Bourne won't.

There's a difference to being the one actively doing an action (using one hand to pivot yourself) and having someone else twist your joints in a way they don't want to go. The first scenario allows you to prepare your body and muscles for the action.

Besides, pivoting from one hand is nothing new to action cinema. Baleman was able to lift a 200 poind man with one arm. Any of the fast n furrious cast have crazy strength feats similar. Do you mean to tell me all of them are invulnerable to dislocated joints?

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by FrothByte
There's a difference to being the one actively doing an action (using one hand to pivot yourself) and having someone else twist your joints in a way they don't want to go. The first scenario allows you to prepare your body and muscles for the action.

Besides, pivoting from one hand is nothing new to action cinema. Baleman was able to lift a 200 poind man with one arm. Any of the fast n furrious cast have crazy strength feats similar. Do you mean to tell me all of them are invulnerable to dislocated joints?
Yeah, many of those should have dislocated thier limbs too. But catching people one-armed is not the dame as using one's arm to change the momentum of a motorbike travelling at high speeds. Nott to mention, Bone-claw Wolverine was actually run over by a train and wasn't in pieces, so the bike ain't the best one he's got

FrothByte
Run over by a train? That's quite an exaggeration don't you think?

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by FrothByte
Run over by a train? That's quite an exaggeration don't you think?
Sorry. Run over by a train-car. Happy? Anyway, do you know which scene I was talking about?

FrothByte
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Sorry. Run over by a train-car. Happy? Anyway, do you know which scene I was talking about?

I'm thinking the fight he had with Sabertooth on top of the train. Was there a different train scene?

HulkIsHulk
I don't remember any time Wolverine fought Sabretooth on a train. He fought with X1 Sabretooth near some ice mountains then on top of the Statue of Liberty. In Origins he fought him first near a tavern, then near Remi's casino and then finally at the island. I meant in the first fight, after dropping some logs on Logan's head Victor threw him onto a oncoming train car carrying some more logs. The only train fight scene I remember was from The Wolverine movie but Sabretooth was nowhere to be found stick out tongue

KingD19
Hulk is right.

During Logan's first fight with Sabretooth in Origins, after dropping a few tons of trees on him, Sabretooth picks one off of him, then yanks him up and tosses him in front of a speeding truck. He gets bounced up, bounces off some more trees, then falls on the train tracks where Victor snaps his claws. Bourne is not dislocating anything if none of the damage Logan has taken over 6 movies has never even so much as dislocated his shoulder.

Even in DoFP Magneto blasted him hundreds of feet away and he smacked into the water going a pretty good speed with multiple heavy pieces of metal piercing his body. He seemed just fine when they pulled him out.

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Skip to about 2:40 to see how easy it was for Victor to hoist that tree up. That thing is a few hundred pounds at the least.

HulkIsHulk
Oh right that was a truck. I didn't see it properly so i mistook it for a train car because of the tracks

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