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Which has the best speed feats showing?

Naruto is faster than Kakashi, and he punched a lightning bolt in half...

It's stupid and makes no sense but it happened

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Naruto is faster than Kakashi, and he punched a lightning bolt in half...

It's stupid and makes no sense but it happened

that was legend not confirmed


i always thought bleach characters were faster just because of how fast they were in the earlier arcs in the begining of the series. many characters have grown since the ss arc. so thats why i think they are faster

...doesnt really matter much because naruto is still stronger than ichi by a long shot. he would still beat ichi in a fight

Both Naruto and Sasuke went from Lighting country to Fire nation by the time it took the Sage to have a conversation with Kakashi.

That feat was accomplish while in base form.

As of right now, Naruto still reign supreme in the HST in all stat areas.

Originally posted by SquallX
Both Naruto and Sasuke went from Lighting country to Fire nation by the time it took the Sage to have a conversation with Kakashi.

That feat was accomplish while in base form.

As of right now, Naruto still reign supreme in the HST in all stat areas.

scans?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Which has the best speed feats showing?

Naruto.

One of Tensa Zangetsu Ichigo's speed feats was hella cooler though.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Naruto.

One of Tensa Zangetsu Ichigo's speed feats was hella cooler though.

which naruto speed feat you talking about

Realistically the speed gaps in HST are overrated. While it's true that at times some characters seem far faster than others, generally you see that the speed tiers aren't all that pronounced until the god-tiers come in.

For example, during early Shippuden Sasuke was practically blitzing Naruto and Sakura, who had been fighting Kakashi like peers earlier on. Then, Kakashi is able to keep up with a far stronger Sasuke during the Kage Summit arc. The same applies to Bleach, in all honesty.

Their speed probably isn't dramatically different at the end of the day.

Ichigo sliced 8 million blades out of the air in less than a second. That was him at his weakest. Naruto isn't close to his speed.

Originally posted by yungz22
which naruto speed feat you talking about

I wasn't talking about any of Naruto's speed feats.

Originally posted by carver9
Ichigo sliced 8 million blades out of the air in less than a second. That was him at his weakest. Naruto isn't close to his speed.

Once more you showed how little you know. Ichigo did not slice 8 millions blades, he sliced a bunch of blades pack together.

Never in a million yrs did he ever sliced each blades individually.

You ****ing lie too much.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I wasn't talking about any of Naruto's speed feats.


you said naruto had better speed feats

Originally posted by SquallX
Once more you showed how little you know. Ichigo did not slice 8 millions blades, he sliced a bunch of blades pack together.

Never in a million yrs did he ever sliced each blades individually.

You ****ing lie too much.



http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/163/14


here you go byakuya says he struck all of them on the next page

Originally posted by yungz22
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/163/14


here you go byakuya says he struck all of them on the next page

I guess you forgot that Byakuya didn't use the blade petals one by one, but by combining them and using them as a mass.

You can even see the details of all the blades forming into a group and Ichigo blocking them.

Once more, Ichigo never once blocked each petals 1by1, but as a mass.

Originally posted by SquallX
I guess you forgot that Byakuya didn't use the blade petals one by one, but by combining them and using them as a mass.

You can even see the details of all the blades forming into a group and Ichigo blocking them.

Once more, Ichigo never once blocked each petals 1by1, but as a mass.

if it was only one large mass why would ichi ne striking all those times?

Originally posted by yungz22
if it was only one large mass why would ichi ne striking all those times?

Because they were constantly attacking him. Byakuya himself was directing with his hands.

Go and read that fight again, Ichigo nerver did what you and carver are implying.

Originally posted by SquallX
Because they were constantly attacking him. Byakuya himself was directing with his hands.

Go and read that fight again, Ichigo nerver did what you and carver are implying.

i saw the fight and read the fight it wasnt only one mass being thrown at him it was multiple

Originally posted by yungz22
i saw the fight and read the fight it wasnt only one mass being thrown at him it was multiple

I don't think you did.

Watch this fight scene.
v=ef_E1lZTJio

No where did you see Ichigo slashing singular rose petals, he was dodging and slashing at them when they form one giant lumps.

A billion tiny blades simultaneously is exactly what Byakuya said, whether it was a mass or not, he still cut through all the blades, and Byakuya himself confirmed this.

Originally posted by SquallX
Once more you showed how little you know. Ichigo did not slice 8 millions blades, he sliced a bunch of blades pack together.

Never in a million yrs did he ever sliced each blades individually.

You ****ing lie too much.

"Impossible. He knocked them ALL down".

He had to have sliced all of the blades for them not to touch him.

Anyways, don't down me when you know next to nothing about anime bro...especially DBZ. Someone is always correcting you.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
A billion tiny blades simultaneously is exactly what Byakuya said, whether it was a mass or not, he still cut through all the blades, and Byakuya himself confirmed this.


exacta its still a ridiculous speed feat regardless

Unless he hits them in large chunks. Which is what he did.

Byakuya never hits an opponent with a single blade from his Shikai or Bankai. He always, even when physically hold the blades themselves, uses them in large quantities. Ichigo would be an idiot to try and knock down each petal individual. It would take too long and would be unnecessary. His Bankai, small though it may be, is significantly larger than even dozens of the petals. Add on to the fact that his Bankai could block city street leveling attacks and we've got a Bankai that could knock multiple blades out of the air indirectly.

Case in point the fastest Zanpakuto in the setting is Gin's Bankai, which moves at mach 504. Ichigo could react to it but only just barely and Gin was toying with him. Sounds impressive. Toneri's moon cutting technique, extremely low balled, moves at mach 1022. More than double Gin.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Unless he hits them in large chunks. Which is what he did.

Byakuya never hits an opponent with a single blade from his Shikai or Bankai. He always, even when physically hold the blades themselves, uses them in large quantities. Ichigo would be an idiot to try and knock down each petal individual. It would take too long and would be unnecessary. His Bankai, small though it may be, is significantly larger than even dozens of the petals. Add on to the fact that his Bankai could block city street leveling attacks and we've got a Bankai that could knock multiple blades out of the air indirectly.

Case in point the fastest Zanpakuto in the setting is Gin's Bankai, which moves at mach 504. Ichigo could react to it but only just barely and Gin was toying with him. Sounds impressive. Toneri's moon cutting technique, extremely low balled, moves at mach 1022. More than double Gin. Ichigo at Full-Power would stomp Gin.

Gin also admits that he lied about his Bankai's retraction speed; it's actually significantly slower.

I wouldn't say significantly.

It moves in less then a ****ing millisecond.

Ichigo's eyes didn't notice when it extended.

Also, Post-Mugetsu Training Ichigo is much faster and more powerful then anything Gin has done.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Ichigo at Full-Power would stomp Gin.

He would. Naruto at less than half-power would stomp Gin significantly harder.

Originally posted by Jmanghan

It moves in less then a ****ing millisecond.


As if a milisecond was a small amount of time when discussing these characters lol.

A more accurate term would be a yoctosecond.

I lol'd. Really, really hard. It would have to be at least a hundred trillion times faster to be measured in yoctoseconds. Even if it moved at lightspeed it wouldn't come close, forget sound.

It does extend to 13 kilometers in a tenth of a second though, which is really, really fast. Then again, it's way too fast for the other Bleach characters so that's almost irrelevant.

Even more irrelevant, considering that Gin lied about both the length and the speed.

Maybe he lied about lying?

:/

I don't think it's possible to make a worse argument, ngl.

Jesus ****ing Christ you people are so ****ing dense! I even showed proof that Ichigo never once block a singular petal, but a mass lumps, yet some of you are still denying it.

Even going so far as saying that Ichigo now have yoctoseconds reactions!

Originally posted by SquallX
Jesus ****ing Christ you people are so ****ing dense! I even showed proof that Ichigo never once block a singular petal, but a mass lumps, yet some of you are still denying it.

Even going so far as saying that Ichigo now have yoctoseconds reactions! Because Byakuya's statement is better proof then you pointng out it was lumps.

Did you even read the manga and watch the show?

"Impossible! He sliced through all of them."

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because Byakuya's statement is better proof then you pointng out it was lumps.

Did you even read the manga and watch the show?

"Impossible! He sliced through all of them."

Wow! You're either pretty dense, or something else.

Do you know the difference between singular and plural?

Did you ever see Byakuya using a singular petal to attack Ichigo? Or did you see him using them by combining the petals into a mass.

So if the masses were used to attack Ichigo, then how the ****ed do you get Ichigo blocking singular petals at once?

Originally posted by SquallX
Wow! You're either pretty dense, or something else.

Do you know the difference between singular and plural?

Did you ever see Byakuya using a singular petal to attack Ichigo? Or did you see him using them by combining the petals into a mass.

So if the masses were used to attack Ichigo, then how the ****ed do you get Ichigo blocking singular petals at once? And you're an idiot to try and argue against the character who made the attack in the first place.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
And you're an idiot to try and argue against the character who made the attack in the first place.



He tells us Ichigo sliced ALL of them. He didn't say he sliced lumps of the blades. He clearly tells us what happened.

yo he surrounded ichi with mutltiple streams of blades and he sliced thru all of them... this is something byakuya who knows his sword very well is impossible.

millions of blades were defleted its still a crazy speed feat whether people want to accept it or not..


no one here is saying ichigo could beat naruto in a fight. its just that there is one category where ichigo has him beat in terms off feats and that is speed

im not including any movie feats im talking eos naruto that fought kaguya

Originally posted by yungz22
yo he surrounded ichi with mutltiple streams of blades and he sliced thru all of them... this is something byakuya who knows his sword very well is impossible.

millions of blades were defleted its still a crazy speed feat whether people want to accept it or not..


no one here is saying ichigo could beat naruto in a fight. its just that there is one category where ichigo has him beat in terms off feats and that is speed

im not including any movie feats im talking eos naruto that fought kaguya

Again did you read what you just wrote? He surrounded him with a stream of petals bunch together. Ichigo deflects the blades of stream, not a ****ing singular blade.

The feat would only have merit if Ichigo deflected the the petals one by one, but he didn't, he didn't the petals after they formed into a stream.

I seriously don't see what's so hard to understand.

I'll say it again, Ichigo deflected the blades after they bunch up into a stream and attacked him, he never deflected the petals one by one.

It's so ****ing easy to understand, it doesn't take a genius to see it.

Originally posted by SquallX
Again did you read what you just wrote? He surrounded him with a stream of petals bunch together. Ichigo deflects the blades of stream, not a ****ing singular blade.

The feat would only have merit if Ichigo deflected the the petals one by one, but he didn't, he didn't the petals after they formed into a stream.

I seriously don't see what's so hard to understand.

I'll say it again, Ichigo deflected the blades after they bunch up into a stream and attacked him, he never deflected the petals one by one.

It's so ****ing easy to understand, it doesn't take a genius to see it.

your the one who said it was one large mass not me. i never once typed he attacked a singular blade

lol it wasnt one stream show me the scan of one stream attacking him.

it was multiple masses at one time of millions of blades simultaneously attacking him and he deflected them all striking them individually byakuyas words "he deflected all of them" just because you dont like it doesnt make it true.

Originally posted by carver9


He tells us Ichigo sliced ALL of them. He didn't say he sliced lumps of the blades. He clearly tells us what happened.

When you knock one domino down and the subsequent 1000 follow suit, how many did you knock down?

All of them. If Ichigo could see the individual petals in bullet time then Zommari, the fastest Espada, should have been able to casually dismiss them.

Mind you none of what you say really matters. The fastest Zanpakuto in the setting is Gin's Bankai, whether the number is accurate being irrelevant. Ichigo is out and out impressed and scared by how fast it moves so it is surely above Byakuya's. If Ichigo did casually swat aside thousands of blades individually in a matter of seconds(he didn't) then it is still below mach 504 which is still below Toneri's mach 1022 attack(this is a very lowballed number, by the way). Naruto didn't use Sage Mode to react to it, wasn't at even half his full power, and basically palmed an attack that cut the moon in half. The power gap is that huge and it certainly applies to speed.

Originally posted by yungz22
yo he surrounded ichi with mutltiple streams of blades and he sliced thru all of them... this is something byakuya who knows his sword very well is impossible.

millions of blades were defleted its still a crazy speed feat whether people want to accept it or not..


no one here is saying ichigo could beat naruto in a fight. its just that there is one category where ichigo has him beat in terms off feats and that is speed

im not including any movie feats im talking eos naruto that fought kaguya

It is impressive. Also below the mach 1000 feat by more than double if you wanna play that game.

The Last is absolutely canon to the manga. The feats in it are as canon as the events of chapter 634(picked at random). Naruto and Sasuke crossed hundreds of miles before the Sage could even finish what he was saying. Naruto ran up the Shenju(a tree taller than the tallest mountains and well above the clouds) in seconds while also in base. He's reacted to lightning several times, blitzed a character Sasuke couldn't(the same Sasuke who flew to well above the clouds and back before Madara's Chibaku Tensei could finish falling). Ichigo and pals are still, at time of writing, running across a landscape a few buildings in length.

Naruto is faster people.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
When you knock one domino down and the subsequent 1000 follow suit, how many did you knock down?

All of them. If Ichigo could see the individual petals in bullet time then Zommari, the fastest Espada, should have been able to casually dismiss them.

Mind you none of what you say really matters. The fastest Zanpakuto in the setting is Gin's Bankai, whether the number is accurate being irrelevant. Ichigo is out and out impressed and scared by how fast it moves so it is surely above Byakuya's. If Ichigo did casually swat aside thousands of blades individually in a matter of seconds(he didn't) then it is still below mach 504 which is still below Toneri's mach 1022 attack(this is a very lowballed number, by the way). Naruto didn't use Sage Mode to react to it, wasn't at even half his full power, and basically palmed an attack that cut the moon in half. The power gap is that huge and it certainly applies to speed.



It is impressive. Also below the mach 1000 feat by more than double if you wanna play that game.

The Last is absolutely canon to the manga. The feats in it are as canon as the events of chapter 634(picked at random). Naruto and Sasuke crossed hundreds of miles before the Sage could even finish what he was saying. Naruto ran up the Shenju(a tree taller than the tallest mountains and well above the clouds) in seconds while also in base. He's reacted to lightning several times, blitzed a character Sasuke couldn't(the same Sasuke who flew to well above the clouds and back before Madara's Chibaku Tensei could finish falling). Ichigo and pals are still, at time of writing, running across a landscape a few buildings in length.

Naruto is faster people.

your comparing a feat from the beegging of a show to a feat thats eos

the ich feat is impressive... its also performed in the beginning of the series. unless your trying to tell me ichi hasnt gotten faster and stronger since the ss arc he should still have the edge

Originally posted by AuraAngel
When you knock one domino down and the subsequent 1000 follow suit, how many did you knock down?

All of them. If Ichigo could see the individual petals in bullet time then Zommari, the fastest Espada, should have been able to casually dismiss them.

Mind you none of what you say really matters. The fastest Zanpakuto in the setting is Gin's Bankai, whether the number is accurate being irrelevant. Ichigo is out and out impressed and scared by how fast it moves so it is surely above Byakuya's. If Ichigo did casually swat aside thousands of blades individually in a matter of seconds(he didn't) then it is still below mach 504 which is still below Toneri's mach 1022 attack(this is a very lowballed number, by the way). Naruto didn't use Sage Mode to react to it, wasn't at even half his full power, and basically palmed an attack that cut the moon in half. The power gap is that huge and it certainly applies to speed.



It is impressive. Also below the mach 1000 feat by more than double if you wanna play that game.

The Last is absolutely canon to the manga. The feats in it are as canon as the events of chapter 634(picked at random). Naruto and Sasuke crossed hundreds of miles before the Sage could even finish what he was saying. Naruto ran up the Shenju(a tree taller than the tallest mountains and well above the clouds) in seconds while also in base. He's reacted to lightning several times, blitzed a character Sasuke couldn't(the same Sasuke who flew to well above the clouds and back before Madara's Chibaku Tensei could finish falling). Ichigo and pals are still, at time of writing, running across a landscape a few buildings in length.

Naruto is faster people. ...Pretty sure Ichigo and Aizen were faster then Gin in their fight, else would most likely win.

Gin had to catch Aizen off-guard, AND grab his zanpoktou to hurt him, there was no way Gin would be able to Catch Aizen or Daigan Ichigo normally.

Lol that's because Gin himself is slower than his Bankai. None of the Bleach characters at the time were even close to Gin's Bankai speed, including Aizen.

The best they could do is predict where it would extend before he used it. And it's still far slower than Kirin is. To be fair, Itachi hardly fared better than Ichigo.

The speed tiers are relatively level, honestly.

Originally posted by yungz22
your comparing a feat from the beegging of a show to a feat thats eos

the ich feat is impressive... its also performed in the beginning of the series. unless your trying to tell me ichi hasnt gotten faster and stronger since the ss arc he should still have the edge

Of course Ichigo is faster now than when he fought Byakuya. His Dangai form and new Shinigami forms are obviously superior to even his Vizard form(which also had a hard time with Gin's Bankai. No one would deny this fact.

The question is by how much faster are these new forms are compared to Bankai Ichigo? Is his new form 4 times faster? His Dangai 50 times faster? Either one 100 times faster? We don't know. We can't know. It is almost impossible to guess. Dangai Ichigo hopped several miles in one step...but so what? Bankai Ichigo could do that, along with characters like Shunsui and Stark. He was curbing Aizen pretty easily but what does Aizen have going for him? He didn't overwhelm Yoruichi's speed with his own but just used his overwhelming power. He couldn't even catch Ichigo's friends lol. The Ichigo that fought Ginjo could leap miles in SS but again that means nothing without a firm distance. Current Ichigo is still running across a city block with no indication that he's gotten to his location yet.

And you're ignoring that most of Naruto's best showings in terms of distance(climbing the Shenju while Obito/Kakashi talked, crossing hundreds of miles while the Sage talked/before he disappeared) all happened in his base form. He also gets massively faster with stuff like Sage Mode, KCM, Full Kyuubi Mode, and his SotSP mode.

Also you missed the point of the Gin feat. If Gin's Zanpakuto is the fastest(Ichigo struggles with it and doesn't think he's lying) then we can conclude that Byakuya's Bankai is well below it. Even if Ichigo swatted all of the petals out of the sky individually(he didn't) then it is still below Gin's Bankai. The feat is simply not the best Ichigo has.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
...Pretty sure Ichigo and Aizen were faster then Gin in their fight, else would most likely win.

Gin had to catch Aizen off-guard, AND grab his zanpoktou to hurt him, there was no way Gin would be able to Catch Aizen or Daigan Ichigo normally.

Bankai/Vizard Ichigo was slower than Gin because Gin was toying with him. Aizen was of course obviously faster but by how much? We don't know lol. Ichigo is now clearly faster than Gin(how much faster? Beats me) but last I checked he was still running through one of these streets.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
. Dangai Ichigo hopped several miles in one step


show me naruto doing the same.

scans?

Originally posted by yungz22
show me naruto doing the same.

scans?

Kay.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/naruto/673/11.png

Naruto goes from one side of the Shinju to the other(we know it is the other side because that is where Madara was knocked to). Not the best showing obviously but Naruto does it pretty effortlessly. Even gets there before Sasuke.

Naruto characters do not have major showings done in a single step(not counting the ST techs) but that means nothing really. I promise you that Ichigo can get farther than Goku can in a single step. Doesn't mean Goku is slower lol. Naruto has covered more territory in less time than the Bleach cast by just running it.

Naruto characters are as fast as Kishi needs them to be in the scene. Just like their chakra reservoirs are as large as Kishi needs them to be.

That's why you have instances where 5 seconds is too short a duration for people like Sage Mode Naruto, who has also reacted to and dodged stuff in far less than 5 seconds.

True but that applies to most manga. While you'll find more consistency with it than comics, the characters still vary in terms of stats a lot of the time.

The fact that the Soul Palace is treated as any sort of significant distance is strange to me lol.

Lol, especially considering that in that scene Pain reacts and dodges the last Rasenshuriken in an amount of time that can't even be measured in milliseconds.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Kay.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/naruto/673/11.png

Naruto goes from one side of the Shinju to the other(we know it is the other side because that is where Madara was knocked to). Not the best showing obviously but Naruto does it pretty effortlessly. Even gets there before Sasuke.

Naruto characters do not have major showings done in a single step(not counting the ST techs) but that means nothing really. I promise you that Ichigo can get farther than Goku can in a single step. Doesn't mean Goku is slower lol. Naruto has covered more territory in less time than the Bleach cast by just running it.

lol that wasnt even one step try again

Originally posted by yungz22
lol that wasnt even one step try again

So is there any particular reason why it has to be one step other than it being pseudo cool looking to you? Or are you under the impression Ichigo flash steps with every step. He doesn't by the way. And if you turn a few pages you see quite clearly that Bleach characters *gasp* run!

Naruto is much faster than Gyuki, who literally looks like a tornado when he spins in place. Naruto is faster than Minato, who can react to the Juubi Bijudama. Here's a reminder of how fast those can go. Oh and in case you thought I was distracting you from the original showing, here is Sasuke covering the same distance in the time it takes Madara to pop an eye in. Naruto does it too.

You also have no answer to Naruto climbing the Shinju so quickly nor Naruto arriving at the VotE in such a short amount of time.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/naruto/646/020.png

That thing is larger than several mountains combined. More than 70% of it is well above the highest clouds. Oh and do you see the VotE there? No? Guess that means Naruto had to traverse all that land in a short amount of time. We're talking a couple mountain ranges and at least one forest.

Notice that said mountains are forest-sized as well.

Notice how when Gaara and Sakura are traveling from one portion of the Shinju's roots to another, he tells her: "Only a few more kilometers!"

Originally posted by AuraAngel
So is there any particular reason why it has to be one step other than it being pseudo cool looking to you?

the point of this debate is about speed naruto vs ichi everything else is irrelavent.

whats faster when you travel a mile in one step or if you take multiple steps to travel a mile?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
True but that applies to most manga. While you'll find more consistency with it than comics, the characters still vary in terms of stats a lot of the time.

The fact that the Soul Palace is treated as any sort of significant distance is strange to me lol.

Doesn't really excuse the ridiculous inconsistency. But what makes it bad is that it was one of the few times that an actual time-frame was given. Maybe Kishimoto didn't realize how long 5 seconds could be to his superhuman characters.

Haha, yeah. Las Noches was also treated as pretty f***ing big, even though it was what, town sized?

Also, what instances are you talking about when you say that Naruto reacted to lightning?

Originally posted by yungz22
the point of this debate is about speed everything else is irrelavent.

whats faster when you travel a mile in one step or if you take multiple steps to travel a mile?

Neither, based on the information you've given.

Do you know what speed entails? 'Steps' don't matter at all, distance covered and time elapsed do.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix


Do you know what speed entails? 'Steps' don't matter at all, distance covered and time elapsed do.

i guess i gave ppl too much credit.

apparently people arent smart enough to know that the average step usually occurs in a second lol

cmon now we are all smart enough to know what i meant

Originally posted by yungz22
the point of this debate is about speed naruto vs ichi everything else is irrelavent.

whats faster when you travel a mile in one step or if you take multiple steps to travel a mile?

Whoever gets there first is the fastest. Simple as that lol. Bleach would curb Judal in a foot race of any kind but that means nothing to the guy who can teleport across countries with ease lol.

Ichigo has never used flash steps to run a great distance. He uses them for one quick step to better his position or to make a point.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Doesn't really excuse the ridiculous inconsistency. But what makes it bad is that it was one of the few times that an actual time-frame was given. Maybe Kishimoto didn't realize how long 5 seconds could be to his superhuman characters.

Haha, yeah. Las Noches was also treated as pretty f***ing big, even though it was what, town sized?

Also, what instances are you talking about when you say that Naruto reacted to lightning?



Neither, based on the information you've given.

Do you know what speed entails? 'Steps' don't matter at all, distance covered and time elapsed do.

Yeah that's one of those things you just gotta handwave away.

The whole Las Noches thing just confuses me. It's a desert like world inside a building with a fake sky as the ceiling...in another desert like world. I just don't get it.

I was using Madara's Palpatine attack and Indra's Arrow. The former based on Kaguya's lightning looking the same as actual lightning and the latter based on it's resemblance to Kirin/the resulting lighting strikes after it hit Naruto's attacks.

Also this has nothing to do with anything but go read Magi you magnificent bastard.

Originally posted by yungz22
i guess i gave ppl too much credit.

apparently people arent smart enough to know that the average step usually occurs in a second lol

cmon now we are all smart enough to know what i meant

Based on what you've seen, who is faster in a foot race: Goku or Ichigo? Goku has never done anything like a Flash Step before. Ever.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Whoever gets there first is the fastest. Simple as that lol. Bleach would curb Judal in a foot race of any kind but that means nothing to the guy who can teleport across countries with ease lol.

Ichigo has never used flash steps to run a great distance. He uses them for one quick step to better his position or to make a point.



Yeah that's one of those things you just gotta handwave away.

The whole Las Noches thing just confuses me. It's a desert like world inside a building with a fake sky as the ceiling...in another desert like world. I just don't get it.

I was using Madara's Palpatine attack and Indra's Arrow. The former based on Kaguya's lightning looking the same as actual lightning and the latter based on it's resemblance to Kirin/the resulting lighting strikes after it hit Naruto's attacks.

Also this has nothing to do with anything but go read Magi you magnificent bastard.



Based on what you've seen, who is faster in a foot race: Goku or Ichigo? Goku has never done anything like a Flash Step before. Ever.

the attempt at deflection is hilarious


ok fine show me naruto travel miles in a couple seconds.... maybe i should have said that instead of steps cuz apparently ppl on here dont have the capacity to understand a concept guess i gave to much credit

Well Naruto and Sasuke went from here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/10

to here:http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/14 in the time it took Hagoromo to finish talking to Kakashi.

There's also the fact that Naruto blocked an attack that crossed the diameter of the moon point blank.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well Naruto and Sasuke went from here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/10

to here:http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/14 in the time it took Hagoromo to finish talking to Kakashi.

There's also the fact that Naruto blocked an attack that crossed the diameter of the moon point blank. He dodged it, he didn't block it.

He blocked the second one. Did you even watch the movie?

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well Naruto and Sasuke went from here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/10

to here:http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/14 in the time it took Hagoromo to finish talking to Kakashi.

There's also the fact that Naruto blocked an attack that crossed the diameter of the moon point blank.

hmm that is impressive

thers no way to really know how far away that was..... only thing we know is that the valley of the end is on the border of the fire country

and we dont knw the exact poin where their battle with kaguya was

Yes we do, actually. If you want I can show you, but I'm not going to go through the trouble if no one cares.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yes we do, actually. If you want I can show you, but I'm not going to go through the trouble if no one cares.


lol you know exactly where on the map kaguya was?

That would still Be more impressive than anything Ichigo has done up until now. Also there's this.

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At the 7:12 mark, Naruto blocks Tonrei's attack and said attack was that same tech used in aforementioned moon cutting.

Originally posted by yungz22
lol you know exactly where on the map kaguya was?

Yep. It was around where the Shinju was, and I was able to find it's location on the map.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
That would still Be more impressive than anything Ichigo has done up until now. Also there's this.

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At the 7:12 mark, Naruto blocks Tonrei's attack and said attack was that same tech used in aforementioned moon cutting.

naruto was on the moon gravity is much weaker speed feats there are null and void because it wouldnt be the same on earth

Decent point, ngl.

Originally posted by yungz22
naruto was on the moon gravity is much weaker speed feats there are null and void because it wouldnt be the same on earth

As opposed to moving a body that actually isn't there lol.

Toneri would be faster than as well, not just Naruto. Actually Toneri is actually used to the gravity on the moon and would be accustomed to fighting there. Besides, Naruto lifting his hand to block the attack is less affected by the gravity than running or jumping. He also pulled the feat off without his Sage Mode precog.

Originally posted by yungz22
i guess i gave ppl too much credit.

apparently people arent smart enough to know that the average step usually occurs in a second lol

cmon now we are all smart enough to know what i meant
You definitely do give yourself too much credit.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Yeah that's one of those things you just gotta handwave away.

The whole Las Noches thing just confuses me. It's a desert like world inside a building with a fake sky as the ceiling...in another desert like world. I just don't get it.

I was using Madara's Palpatine attack and Indra's Arrow. The former based on Kaguya's lightning looking the same as actual lightning and the latter based on it's resemblance to Kirin/the resulting lighting strikes after it hit Naruto's attacks.

Also this has nothing to do with anything but go read Magi you magnificent bastard.

I guess.

Aizen likes deserts maybe? His castle was pretty deserted...Ba dum tsh.

Did Naruto really react to Indra's arrow though? I thought they both fired off their attacks at the same time.
As for Madara's Force Lightning, I don't follow. Kaguya's Tenpenchii?

Are you trying to sweet talk me into reading Magi by calling me a magnificent bastard? flirt

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yes we do, actually. If you want I can show you, but I'm not going to go through the trouble if no one cares.

Colour me intrigued.

Unless it's the Frost country, in which case, meh.
Should really be somewhere within the Land of Lightning.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
As opposed to moving a body that actually isn't there lol.

Toneri would be faster than as well, not just Naruto. Actually Toneri is actually used to the gravity on the moon and would be accustomed to fighting there. Besides, Naruto lifting his hand to block the attack is less affected by the gravity than running or jumping. He also pulled the feat off without his Sage Mode precog.

hes on the moon theres less gravity his speed is affected whether you like it or not


again no one is saying he cant beat ichigo

There are decent speed feats here from versions of Naruto & Sasuke that are weaker than their EoS versions.

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Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
As for Madara's Force Lightning, I don't follow. Kaguya's Tenpenchii?

Are you trying to sweet talk me into reading Magi by calling me a magnificent bastard? flirt




not sure i think he was talking to me lol

btw magi is awesome

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
There are decent speed feats here from versions of Naruto & Sasuke that are weaker than their EoS versions.

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i wouldnt say anything there is faster than dangai ichigo.. they didnt ravel any vast distances..... but the dc is crazy lol

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I guess.

Aizen likes deserts maybe? His castle was pretty deserted...Ba dum tsh.

Did Naruto really react to Indra's arrow though? I thought they both fired off their attacks at the same time.
As for Madara's Force Lightning, I don't follow. Kaguya's Tenpenchii?

Are you trying to sweet talk me into reading Magi by calling me a magnificent bastard? flirt



Colour me intrigued.

Unless it's the Frost country, in which case, meh.
Should really be somewhere within the Land of Lightning.

Har har har.

Well the panels go right to left so Sasuke fired it first. vin

Yeah in one panel Kaguya's shown using lightning from the sky. Madara is in a similar mode when he goes Force Lightning.

Yes. Is it working? flirt

If this scan is to be believed then Frost Country is the best bet. Which still gives the two a monster of a speed feat since They'd have to go through the land of hot water(and since Sasuke arrived on the opposite side of the VotE it is likely he took the long way through the Land of Sound). It's also the best fit with the map of the battlefield early on in the war here. Still good feats to be had here since from the Land of Frost the Juubi could still wreck Kirigakure and the SA headquarters with attacks that Naruto(more specifically Minato) can react to.

Pain was right. Life sucks for a small country.

Originally posted by yungz22
hes on the moon theres less gravity his speed is affected whether you like it or not


again no one is saying he cant beat ichigo

And someone just mention Ichigo's a dead body that shouldn't be moving around.

Originally posted by SquallX
And someone just mention Ichigo's a dead body that shouldn't be moving around.

que? lol

He's saying that Ichigo is a ghost when he preforms almost all of his feats and we know gravity only affects things with mass, which is different for all Shinigami/ghosts.

Are we discounting all of Ichigo's feats now?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
He's saying that Ichigo is a ghost when he preforms almost all of his feats and we know gravity only affects things with mass, which is different for all Shinigami/ghosts.

Are we discounting all of Ichigo's feats now?


lmaooooooo seriously is that yall defense.

The first ghost we see in Bleach is literally floating.

"Your body feels light."

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Har har har.

Well the panels go right to left so Sasuke fired it first. vin

Yeah in one panel Kaguya's shown using lightning from the sky. Madara is in a similar mode when he goes Force Lightning.

Yes. Is it working? flirt

If this scan is to be believed then Frost Country is the best bet. Which still gives the two a monster of a speed feat since They'd have to go through the land of hot water(and since Sasuke arrived on the opposite side of the VotE it is likely he took the long way through the Land of Sound). It's also the best fit with the map of the battlefield early on in the war here. Still good feats to be had here since from the Land of Frost the Juubi could still wreck Kirigakure and the SA headquarters with attacks that Naruto(more specifically Minato) can react to.

Pain was right. Life sucks for a small country.

Or more accurately, we first see Sasuke firing his attack, not him firing first. vin

This, right? Kaguya seems to be using Lightning from the sky though.

I'm definitely tempted. flirt

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I agree; based on the general shapes of the landmass, it does look like it was smack bang in the middle of the Land of Frost.

Logically though, it makes little sense. For starters, the area they're in looks nothing like a winter-based area would. I'd assume that at least a small section of a place called 'Land of Frost' would have some areas covered in ice, instead of mountains and forests.

Oonoki placed the Island Turtle on the eastern side of the Land of Lightning, right next to the SA's HQ.
After the mobilization of the Gin-Kin Bros. and the Edo Kages, all of the SA forces moved towards the Land of Lightning, and Gaara's division retreated further inwards in an attempt to stall until Darui's division was done with its battle on the Land of Lightning's coastline.
So basically, all major battles from this point on involving the SA (vs. Edo Kages, Madara & Tobi) had to have occurred within the Land of Lightning.

To get to the battlefields, Naruto and Bee had to move towards the west. Naruto sent his clones out ahead of him, so that they could get to the individual battlefields.
Tobi decided to intercept Naruto and Bee once he knew they were out in the open, which he did after a few hours, and that's when we got the Bijuu/Juubi fight. The only logical area where Tobi could have intercepted Naruto is somewhere within the Land of Lightning, between the western border and the Island Turtle.

But maybe there's something I didn't take into account, or Kishi just didn't bother to be consistent/logical?

Sakura and Kakashi took ~12 hours to get there, but they walked. mmm

Originally posted by AuraAngel
The first ghost we see in Bleach is literally floating.

"Your body feels light."

feeling light and being light are two different things.

you guys are deflecting with such an idiotic rebuttal



even if shinigami are light like you say they are ( they arent) they are still bound by earths gravity.

are yall honestly trying to argue that earth and the moon have the same gravity and speed isnt affected.

if so im on the wrong website because you fanboys are two much lol

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Har har har.

Well the panels go right to left so Sasuke fired it first. vin

Yeah in one panel Kaguya's shown using lightning from the sky. Madara is in a similar mode when he goes Force Lightning.

Yes. Is it working? flirt

If this scan is to be believed then Frost Country is the best bet. Which still gives the two a monster of a speed feat since They'd have to go through the land of hot water(and since Sasuke arrived on the opposite side of the VotE it is likely he took the long way through the Land of Sound). It's also the best fit with the map of the battlefield early on in the war here. Still good feats to be had here since from the Land of Frost the Juubi could still wreck Kirigakure and the SA headquarters with attacks that Naruto(more specifically Minato) can react to.

Pain was right. Life sucks for a small country.

Or more accurately, we first see Sasuke firing his attack, not him firing first. vin

This, right? Kaguya seems to be using Lightning from the sky though.

I'm definitely tempted. flirt

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I agree; based on the general shapes of the landmass, it does look like it was smack bang in the middle of the Land of Frost.

Logically though, it makes little sense. For starters, the area they're in looks nothing like a winter-based area would. I'd assume that at least a small section of a place called 'Land of Frost' would have some areas covered in ice, instead of mountains and forests.

Oonoki placed the Island Turtle on the eastern side of the Land of Lightning, right next to the SA's HQ.
After the mobilization of the Gin-Kin Bros. and the Edo Kages, all of the SA forces moved towards the Land of Lightning, and Gaara's division retreated further inwards in an attempt to stall until Darui's division was done with its battle on the Land of Lightning's coastline.
So basically, all major battles from this point on involving the SA (vs. Edo Kages, Madara & Tobi) had to have occurred within the Land of Lightning.

To get to the battlefields, Naruto and Bee had to move towards the west. Naruto sent his clones out ahead of him, so that they could get to the individual battlefields.
Tobi decided to intercept Naruto and Bee once he knew they were out in the open, which he did after a few hours, and that's when we got the Bijuu/Juubi fight. The only logical area where Tobi could have intercepted Naruto is somewhere within the Land of Lightning, between the western border and the Island Turtle.

But maybe there's something I didn't take into account, or Kishi just didn't bother to be consistent/logical?

Sakura and Kakashi took ~12 hours to get there, but they walked. mmm


~ I was bottom-paged. uhuh

Originally posted by yungz22
feeling light and being light are two different things.

you guys are deflecting with such an idiotic rebuttal



even if shinigami are light like you say they are ( they arent) they are still bound by earths gravity.

are yall honestly trying to argue that earth and the moon have the same gravity and speed isnt affected.

if so im on the wrong website because you fanboys are two much lol

I think they're saying that Shinigami are souls, so they won't be affected by Earth's gravity?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I think they're saying that Shinigami are souls, so they won't be affected by Earth's gravity?


lol wheres that in the rule book

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Or more accurately, we first see Sasuke firing his attack, not him firing first. vin

This, right? Kaguya seems to be using Lightning from the sky though.

I'm definitely tempted. flirt



But maybe there's something I didn't take into account, or Kishi just didn't bother to be consistent/logical?

Sakura and Kakashi took ~12 hours to get there, but they walked. mmm


~ I was bottom-paged. uhuh

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

True but they look similar to me. It also wouldn't be in character for Madara to attack with lightning slower than the real thing.

Good. You would like it.

Idk. To be fair our Iceland isn't what one might call icy.

Sakura and Kakashi are both still well above the average ninja lol. Kakashi could be Hokage without his eyes.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I think they're saying that Shinigami are souls, so they won't be affected by Earth's gravity?

That is in part why I am saying. It is also worth noting that most of the action in Bleach takes place off of Earth.

Originally posted by yungz22
lol wheres that in the rule book

The fact that Rukia(who earlier described her temporary body as being as physically limiting as a humans) said spirit bodies were light(she said this to a boy in a bird's body). The fact that spirits have been seen defying the laws of gravity since chapter one. The fact that Shinigami bodies are all made of Reishi, not muscles, bones, and tissues. That fact that while Ichigo doing several things as a Shinigami impresses Rukia, stopping himself in midair does not.

Mind you the point isn't to say that all of Bleach's feats are not quantifiable. My point is that if you use the minor variation in gravity on Naruto simply for being on the moon then you can apply the same logic to Bleach.

Bear in mind that we don't actually have proof that gravity is weak on the moon. Naruto's moon is completely inhabitable, there is air to breathe, and running around seems to cause no issues for the characters whatsoever. The moon cutting feat is still every bit as valid .

Originally posted by AuraAngel

Bear in mind that we don't actually have proof that gravity is weak on the moon.

so earth and the moon have the same gravity is what your telling me lol smfh


go read a science book

Originally posted by yungz22
so earth and the moon have the same gravity is what your telling me lol smfh


go read a science book

I have. The moon also does not have air. Naruto characters breathe on the moon.

Quit being such an asshat because you can't come up with an argument for why Ichigo is faster than Naruto.

The blue area on the moon?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
I have. The moon also does not have air. Naruto characters breathe on the moon.

Quit being such an asshat because you can't come up with an argument for why Ichigo is faster than Naruto.



lol you or anyone else havent shown me a feat thats faster than dangai ichigos feat and yet im the one who cant come up with an arguement.


your arguement is literally the earth and moon have the same gravity lololololololol

Originally posted by carver9
The blue area on the moon?

Above the moon, below the moon, on the surface of the moon. On all three Naruto characters run, breathe, and jump like normal.

Originally posted by yungz22
lol you or anyone else havent shown me a feat thats faster than dangai ichigos feat and yet im the one who cant come up with an arguement.


your arguement is literally the earth and moon have the same gravity lololololololol

Ichigo leaps out of a small town(size) in a few seconds while Naruto crosses a country in a few seconds. Ichigo blocks an attack at mach 500 while Naruto blocks an attack at double that. Naruto climbs the Shinju is moments while Ichigo is still running through the Soul Palace. Enlighten me of any showings Ichigo has that surpass this if you would be so kind.

In Naruto the moon is literally able to hold life and was made by a man who could physically control gravity. The two having the same gravity is not contradictory with the canon in the slightest and is in fact likely considering Hamura's clan lived there.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Ichigo leaps out of a small town(size) in a few seconds while Naruto crosses a country in a few seconds. Ichigo blocks an attack at mach 500 while Naruto blocks an attack at double that. Naruto climbs the Shinju is moments while Ichigo is still running through the Soul Palace. Enlighten me of any showings Ichigo has that surpass this if you would be so kind.

In Naruto the moon is literally able to hold life and was made by a man who could physically control gravity. The two having the same gravity is not contradictory with the canon in the slightest and is in fact likely considering Hamura's clan lived there.

can you show me on a map where naruto was before they went to valley of end/

I can, but not until I get home. (Which will take a while)

Also, the moon doesn't change Naruto's reaction speed.

Originally posted by yungz22
can you show me on a map where naruto was before they went to valley of end/

https://animeipics.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/naruto-world-map-hidden-waterfall-village-animeipics.png

A map of the Naruto world. The 3 dots at the border between the Land of Sound and Land of Fire is the VotE. Only thing in question is where Naruto and Sasuke were.

http://manga-joy.com/wp-content/manga/5100/676/25.png

This image points to the final battle with Madara/Juubi took place inside the Land of Frost, which is still a country away from the VotE.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/naruto/646/020.png

An exact location for Naruto and Sasuke places them at the shoreline.

Now I will offer an alternative. DP is correct in saying that the Land of Frost doesn't really look like the Land of Frost and believes the battles were still taking place in the Land of Lightning. This is actually still possible. An often overlook moment in the war had the Juubi doing this which ultimately ended up looking like this:

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/naruto/629/004.png

So maybe the Juubi literally changed the structure of the continent and it really was in the Land of Lightning. Unlikely but possible.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Also, the moon doesn't change Naruto's reaction speed.

agreed but we all know ichigo lose in a fight with naruto so thats besides the point.

ichigo has still shown better striking speed and travel speed.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

True but they look similar to me. It also wouldn't be in character for Madara to attack with lightning slower than the real thing.

Good. You would like it.

Idk. To be fair our Iceland isn't what one might call icy.

Sakura and Kakashi are both still well above the average ninja lol. Kakashi could be Hokage without his eyes.


That is in part why I am saying. It is also worth noting that most of the action in Bleach takes place off of Earth.

Dude, that meme is old. Also, Rice Crispies ftw.

He'd attack with the fastest lightning he has yes, but Lightning jutsu aren't necessarily lightning speed. How fast was it in the anime?

I'll start reading it this weekend.

Parts of Iceland are icy though. uhuh

To be fair, he was Hokage during a time of world peace. But more to the point, Sakura had to help him walk there.

I haven't seen The Last, so I can't comment.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
This image points to the final battle with Madara/Juubi took place inside the Land of Frost, which is still a country away from the VotE.

An exact location for Naruto and Sasuke places them at the shoreline.


Some of the geography just doesn't look right IMO. The sea & shoreline north of the Shinju don't match up with the sea & shoreline to the north of the Land of Frost on the map.

Though Kishimoto isn't exactly consistent with his geography. Meh, either way, those 2 traveled a considerable distance in a short time.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Also, the moon doesn't change Naruto's reaction speed.

Isn't Naruto-verse's Moon different from the RL Moon?

Originally posted by yungz22
agreed but we all know ichigo lose in a fight with naruto so thats besides the point.

ichigo has still shown better striking speed and travel speed.

Ichigo has no feats as good as Naruto climbing the Shinju or running literal cross country. Naruto's best striking feat are hitting characters as fast as himself, which is above any feat Ichigo has.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Dude, that meme is old. Also, Rice Crispies ftw.

He'd attack with the fastest lightning he has yes, but Lightning jutsu aren't necessarily lightning speed. How fast was it in the anime?

I'll start reading it this weekend.

Parts of Iceland are icy though. uhuh

To be fair, he was Hokage during a time of world peace. But more to the point, Sakura had to help him walk there.

I haven't seen The Last, so I can't comment.



Some of the geography just doesn't look right IMO. The sea & shoreline north of the Shinju don't match up with the sea & shoreline to the north of the Land of Frost on the map.

Though Kishimoto isn't exactly consistent with his geography. Meh, either way, those 2 traveled a considerable distance in a short time.

Snap Crackle Pop?

It was flashing. It was also purple so hey.

Yay! =3

Parts of the Frost Country might be icy too. Though I like my idea of the Juubi radically altering the geography.

To be fair Kakashi is Kakashi.

You don't want to. It is really not very good. Ironically Hanabi is still as 1337 as ever though. "It is fun to watch a girl in agony."

Indeed. But it also doesn't look quite as bad to write it off completely.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Isn't Naruto-verse's Moon different from the RL Moon?

Yes.

It doesn't seem all that different in terms of size; city sized chunks of moon were still falling around without any visually noticeable damage to the moon.

It's partially hollow, though.

Originally posted by AuraAngel



Snap Crackle Pop?

It was flashing. It was also purple so hey.

Yay! =3

Parts of the Frost Country might be icy too. Though I like my idea of the Juubi radically altering the geography.

To be fair Kakashi is Kakashi.

You don't want to. It is really not very good. Ironically Hanabi is still as 1337 as ever though. "It is fun to watch a girl in agony."

Indeed. But it also doesn't look quite as bad to write it off completely.



Yes.

Science thinks they're useful as derivatives of position. vin

Ah screw it, I'm in a good mood. They reacted to force lightning.

Yeah, it definitely altered the geography. If Madara & Hashirama can do it...

But is he as powerful as Random Love Letter Guy?

Hanabi deserves her own story. She and Random Love Letter Guy.

That's true. But I still think it should really have been somewhere in the Land of Lightning.

And the moon feat is a durability statement and/or reaction speed for Naruto?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
It doesn't seem all that different in terms of size; city sized chunks of moon were still falling around without any visually noticeable damage to the moon.

It's partially hollow, though.

The GBE of Naruto-verse's Moon should be lower than that of the RL Moon. Not really a "moon level' feat then.

Not arguing against Naruto, merely wondering about the feat.

that whole map thing is inconsistant as **** lol.....tho it cant be quantified its still a nice feat

I just love watching all the idiots on here try to complain who is better, faster, stronger etc... Personally i enjoy reading stories where naruto is the strongest. He isn't i know this but naruto is a wish fulfillment character of mine so yeah. I would say naruto is faster if just because of him dodging a light speed attack when that attack in one panel already sliced his staff, and his face was inches from it. The next panel he dodged that means in the time it took a lightspeed attack to cross a few inches he saw it and reacted to it. A lightspeed attack.