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New Avengers team:

Vision
Falcon
Warmachine
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch


Old Avengers team:

Ironman
Captain America
Hulk
Thor
Hawkeye (feel free to replace with Black Widow if you feel she's a better addition to the team)


Conditions:

1. No prep, but all combatants have basic knowledge about each other - the same amount of knowledge they had about each other at the end of Age of Ultron
2. Stark can't hack or control Warmachine's or Falcon's equipment
3. Fight takes place in the flying city of Sekovia but has a domed shield around it so no one can fall off and no one can be BFR'd
4. Everyone has the same equipment they had at the final fight in Age of Ultron
5. Morals are off, everyone is going for the kill.

New Avengers.

Hulk defeats the original avengers alone.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Hulk defeats the original avengers alone.

Hulk is on the original Avengers team, so you're arguing that he beats all his team-mates and then defeats himself?

Not seeing how they take out Vision. Quicksilver will be a problem too.

Hulk and Thor are the deciding factors in this one.

Hulk solos.

Scarlett Witch > Hulk, then team New sit back while Vision and QS pick off stragglers and injured.

Vision and Witch are bigger guns than Thor and Hulk, New avengers win

Originally posted by Juk3n
Scarlett Witch > Hulk, then team New sit back while Vision and QS pick off stragglers and injured.
You mean Scarlett Witch who was dropped by Hawkeye? lol

Hulk stomps... Literally, and half of the team are done. None of them can truly hurt him.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
You mean Scarlett Witch who was dropped by Hawkeye? lol

Hulk stomps... Literally, and half of the team are done. None of them can truly hurt him.

It took Ironman 5 minutes flat to KO a raging Hulk. Im sure Vision can do more damage, being made of vibranium AND wielding the mind gem.

As for SW being dropped by hawkeye, sweet, so we agree.

Hawkeye > SW > Hulk?

No arrows are getting near SW with Quicksilver in play.

Originally posted by Juk3n
It took Ironman 5 minutes flat to KO a raging Hulk. Im sure Vision can do more damage, being made of vibranium AND wielding the mind gem.

As for SW being dropped by hawkeye, sweet, so we agree.

Hawkeye > SW > Hulk?

No arrows are getting near SW with Quicksilver in play.

Vision is made of vibranium.... that doesn't mean he has enough strength to KO Hulk. Strength does not equal durability.

Besides, if Vision spends 5 minutes to KO Hulk, Thor would have demolished the other team by then. A better pairing would be Vision matching up Thor and SW trying to bewitch Hulk.

On an open battlefield, Thor destroys SW with ease. There is nothing to suggest that she can defend against anything in his arsenal. A single hammer blow or lightning strike will surely incapacitate her.

Old Avengers, more raw power, and the advantage of actually having worked together as a team for a long periode of time. The biggest problem would be Quicksilver, but in a open field, not enclosed space like the ship, he is easier to fight off.

Originally posted by Juk3n
It took Ironman 5 minutes flat to KO a raging Hulk. Im sure Vision can do more damage, being made of vibranium AND wielding the mind gem.

As for SW being dropped by hawkeye, sweet, so we agree.

Hawkeye > SW > Hulk?

No arrows are getting near SW with Quicksilver in play.
Well firstly you mean "Veronica" not Iron Man, Tony can't do squat to the Hulk in his regular armour, hell even the Hulkbuster couldn't do anything to truly hurt the Hulk. Secondly when Tony delivered the suckerpunch Hulk wasn't raging he had already snapped out of it and calmed down so you're wrong on both counts.

Vision got manhandled by Ultron and hasn't really done anything yet so good luck proving he can defeat the Avengers biggest gun.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Well firstly you mean "Veronica" not Iron Man, Tony can't do squat to the Hulk in his regular armour, hell even the Hulkbuster couldn't do anything to truly hurt the Hulk. Secondly when Tony delivered the suckerpunch Hulk wasn't raging he had already snapped out of it and calmed down so you're wrong on both counts.

Vision got manhandled by Ultron and hasn't really done anything yet so good luck proving he can defeat the Avengers biggest gun.

While I agree with your first paragraph, I have to disagree with Vision getting manhandled by Ultron. Vision knocked himself out after he burnt out Ultron from the net.That's why he got manhandled and not because Ultron was able to dominate him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
While I agree with your first paragraph, I have to disagree with Vision getting manhandled by Ultron. Vision knocked himself out after he burnt out Ultron from the net.That's why he got manhandled and not because Ultron was able to dominate him.
Maybe manhandled was a bit strong of a word, but Ultron was slamming him into walls while they had their tech battle. Ultron did seem physically slightly stronger than Vision.

Thor could just make for the sky and kill everyone with lightning.

Thor oneshots

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Secondly when Tony delivered the suckerpunch Hulk wasn't raging he had already snapped out of it and calmed down so you're wrong on both counts.


Tired of this from people who refuse to believe their eyes. Watch the fight again, pause at the moment before Tonys fist comes slamming into Hulks head, what you'll see is Hulk 'ping' back up to angry right there, he actually looks like he's about to get back up and start a fresh rage again. He got knocked out while Angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-s-kNvLizI

that link, 4:19

you're welcome

Originally posted by Juk3n
Tired of this from people who refuse to believe their eyes. Watch the fight again, pause at the moment before Tonys fist comes slamming into Hulks head, what you'll see is Hulk 'ping' back up to angry right there, he actually looks like he's about to get back up and start a fresh rage again. He got knocked out while Angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-s-kNvLizI

that link, 4:19

you're welcome
You're trying way too hard.

At best you could say he would have likely got angry again, but it lasted for a split second before the punch. It was a cheapshot and Hulk had calmed down. That was clearly shown. Hulkbuster punches did nothing except knock Hulk around when he was actually angry. Even the tooth Tony punched loose seemed to just make Hulk mad.