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this may have been done before and i apologise, i havent been on here very long.

so vaapad is considered the best attack style and naturally soresu is the best defense style.

I was wondering because in the revenge of the sith novel mace windu tells kenibi that he was the only one that could defeat grievious since he really only focused on his defense.

and kenobi isnt evil soooo vaapad wouldnt entirely work since it allows the user to use draw off of their oppenent"s anger.

so who would win in an all out saber battle on neutral ground?

Originally posted by Darth Demenos
mace windu tells kenibi that he was the only one that could defeat grievious

Well Windu using only Vaapad is risky and most likely wouldn't work so he woudl have to rely on his other saber skills. But Windu is a better combatant than Obi Wan.

Mace in a great fight.

Originally posted by Trocity


its in the revenge of the sith novel, go look it up.

It's a very good fight, but Mace inevitably wins.

Originally posted by Darth Demenos
its in the revenge of the sith novel, go look it up.

I've read the ROTS novel - Mace never tells Obi-Wan that he is the only one that can beat Grievous.

Originally posted by Trocity
I've read the ROTS novel - Mace never tells Obi-Wan that he is the only one that can beat Grievous.

re-read it

Not the only one, but the Jedi's best option, IIRC. That's because Obi-Wan had a distinct form counter.

well that does make more sense

Originally posted by Darth Demenos
its in the revenge of the sith novel, go look it up.


If you bothered to quote the line instead of just naming the source you would have realized that line doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Darth Demenos
its in the revenge of the sith novel, go look it up.

No, Mace says that Kenobi is the best choice because of the swordmasters his Soresu is the only one that doesn't compensate for a weakness. Yoda's ataru compensates for his small stature, Mace's Vaapad compensates for his inner darkness.

A duel between Mace and Obi-Wan is a terrible example to compere Vaapad and Soresu. Mace is just better, he's in another league. He will beat Kenobi every single time.

Kenobi vs Sora or Depa would be better example. Legends!Vos (at the end of the Clone Wars, after Bulq's death) vs Luminara should be the best one.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
No, Mace says that Kenobi is the best choice because of the swordmasters his Soresu is the only one that doesn't compensate for a weakness. Yoda's ataru compensates for his small stature, Mace's Vaapad compensates for his inner darkness.

which means that he was the best one to send.

Originally posted by Darth Demenos
which means that he was the best one to send.


That's not what you said though. You said he was the ONLY ONE who could beat Grievous.

And when people pointed out to you that's wrong, you simply told them to reread the novel.

In any case Yoda was still the best choice to fight Grievous as he could easily Crush him with TK. Mace might be able to do that as well. So either of them would be a superior choice to Kenobi.

Mace in a good fight

Originally posted by McP
A duel between Mace and Obi-Wan is a terrible example to compere Vaapad and Soresu. Mace is just better, he's in another league. He will beat Kenobi every single time.

Kenobi vs Sora or Depa would be better example. Legends!Vos (at the end of the Clone Wars, after Bulq's death) vs Luminara should be the best one. Isn't Obi-Wan like the best Soresu practitioner of all-time or something?

What makes you so sure Mace will stomp him?

Also, yes, beating him 10/10 times is stomping him.

Originally posted by Jmanghan


Also, yes, beating him 10/10 times is stomping him.


Not necessarily.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
If you bothered to quote the line instead of just naming the source you would have realized that line doesn't exist.

the line does exist but i admit my memory of what it specifically said was off.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's not what you said though. You said he was the ONLY ONE who could beat Grievous.

And when people pointed out to you that's wrong, you simply told them to reread the novel.

In any case Yoda was still the best choice to fight Grievous as he could easily Crush him with TK. Mace might be able to do that as well. So either of them would be a superior choice to Kenobi.

i said that bc i really did think that was what he specifically said. but mace saidn that he was the best one to send bc of his dueling, but yoda was busy on kashyyk, and if mace was thought he was the best choice then he would have went, but he didnt.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Isn't Obi-Wan like the best Soresu practitioner of all-time or something?

What makes you so sure Mace will stomp him?

Also, yes, beating him 10/10 times is stomping him. yes, he is.
Mace is just above Obi in skill and force ability. It's not a knock on Obi, it's just that windu is above him.
Not necisarily. For example, Thor could beat Namor 10/10 but he'd still have to work for each victory.