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Simple question.

Is Superman in the Herald tier or beyond ?

No, he's high meta.

Like most high heralds, he is high herald on average but can transcend at times.

Same is true of SS, Thor, Hulk, Hal, etc.

when he wants to be.

On average he is Trans, unrestrained he is skyfather. At maximum power he is multi-megaversal abstract

Originally posted by Board Walker
multi-megaversal abstract

Glad to know you're being so exact in power level descriptors.

My god this superman! So strong!

Hes a High Herald, he has no cosmic powers or any esoteric abilities but he's definitely the tops of the High Herald tier though

Here Morpheus, the embodiment of Dream challenges the Duke of Hell to the Oldest game.

Originally posted by galactusischere

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Keep in mind what actually won this game. Hope defeats Anti-life, and cements itself as the most powerful abstract concept in DC. Every story of heros spins out of this very basic concept.


http://i.imgur.com/BGVNa4E.jpg?1

Here; You learn that S stands for hope, and through the course of his origin story in Birthright, that Superman is the personification of this idea.

To farther cement this, lets recap what happened in Final Crisis.
Darkseid planned the entire several years of events, across all of the multiverse, chess-mastering everyone, to set everyone onto a path where he would eventually have a meeting with The Source , and could obtain ultimate power. But in achieving ultimate power, his body was damaged beyond repair, and he fell from the higher dimension to inhabit a new body on Earth.

He did all of this just to obtain to Anti-Life equation, so he could destroy everything Superman loves, and turn reality against him and drag reality screaming to hell with him in his new singularity in the void, where he is the only god they would know.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/68345/3634532-2757082-tumblr_mc4nwkok3l1qhwhzzo1_1280.jpg

All of the other crazy shit he did aside-
Who defeated Anti-Life in this story?

Hope did.

Proving again to be the most powerful concept, just as Sandman said it was.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/6/60/Final_Crisis_7_Superman_shatters_Darkseid.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20140118205615


He outsmarted and took on the Source of all things, to achieve ultimate power, destroyed and took over all reality, had all of time-space on the brink...

....and still lost to Superman.

Superman is DC's most powerful abstract.

The living embodiment of the concept of Hope.

To top this off, he is the figurehead and leader to a pantheon of superheros and villains more potent than any other pantheon in creation.

^ That would mean shit all against someone like Odin

If we break down a list who he's beaten, he walks all over the upper tiers of creation like his bitches, but because he has a rather closed powerset, people assume he's not as powerful.

He's defeated several concept/abstract beings. Many gods and demons. He's changed the course of time. Punked Death itself.


Even when brought before the Quintessence to be charged , he told the Entropy Aegis to lower the shield, because would be perfectly fine defending himself against the group of them. An entire group of skyfathers.

He did this directly after 3 sweeping consecutive arcs stories of defeating abstract beings.


The difference between a High Herald and Superman, is that High Herald is the bottom end of Superman's power, a level he purposely holds himself at so he can pretend to run around on Earth and do Earth things and inspire people.

But this is not who he is.
And many of the characters in DC know this as well.

You must be satellite high

Originally posted by psycho gundam
You must be satellite high Not at all.

You sippin' a lil somethin'?

Originally posted by Juntai
Here Morpheus, the embodiment of Dream challenges the Duke of Hell to the Oldest game.



Keep in mind what actually won this game. Hope defeats Anti-life, and cements itself as the most powerful abstract concept in DC. Every story of heros spins out of this very basic concept.


http://i.imgur.com/BGVNa4E.jpg?1

Here; You learn that S stands for hope, and through the course of his origin story in Birthright, that Superman is the personification of this idea.

To farther cement this, lets recap what happened in Final Crisis.
Darkseid planned the entire several years of events, across all of the multiverse, chess-mastering everyone, to set everyone onto a path where he would eventually have a meeting with The Source , and could obtain ultimate power. But in achieving ultimate power, his body was damaged beyond repair, and he fell from the higher dimension to inhabit a new body on Earth.

He did all of this just to obtain to Anti-Life equation, so he could destroy everything Superman loves, and turn reality against him and drag reality screaming to hell with him in his new singularity in the void, where he is the only god they would know.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/68345/3634532-2757082-tumblr_mc4nwkok3l1qhwhzzo1_1280.jpg

All of the other crazy shit he did aside-
Who defeated Anti-Life in this story?

Hope did.

Proving again to be the most powerful concept, just as Sandman said it was.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/6/60/Final_Crisis_7_Superman_shatters_Darkseid.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20140118205615


He outsmarted and took on the Source of all things, to achieve ultimate power, destroyed and took over all reality, had all of time-space on the brink...

....and still lost to Superman.

Superman is DC's most powerful abstract.

The living embodiment of the concept of Hope.

To top this off, he is the figurehead and leader to a pantheon of superheros and villains more potent than any other pantheon in creation.



On top of that he is the source and origin of the Superhero genre as it is today. His infuelnce is so big that he has "Avatars" or Copies of himself in almost every other fictional comic verse.

Originally posted by Juntai
If we break down a list who he's beaten, he walks all over the upper tiers of creation like his bitches, but because he has a rather closed powerset, people assume he's not as powerful.

He's defeated several concept/abstract beings. Many gods and demons. He's changed the course of time. Punked Death itself.


Even when brought before the Quintessence to be charged , he told the Entropy Aegis to lower the shield, because would be perfectly fine defending himself against the group of them. An entire group of skyfathers.

He did this directly after 3 sweeping consecutive arcs stories of defeating abstract beings.


The difference between a High Herald and Superman, is that High Herald is the bottom end of Superman's power, a level he purposely holds himself at so he can pretend to run around on Earth and do Earth things and inspire people.

But this is not who he is.
And many of the characters in DC know this as well.

I have said it for years, Superman is the highest level of abstract concept given tangible form.

In essence Superman is something that no one else is, he is an abstract, a herald, a skyfather, a trans all simultaneously because he freely chooses to be what he wants to be at any given time (subconsciously).

However, at the highest level of unrestrained power Superman is a multi (multiple companies) - megaversal abstract.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
No, he's high meta.

I know you voted for me

Yeah, I consider him trans level.

Originally posted by Facee
I know you voted for me I did too.

Because the poll is meaningless.

And I you.

Superman ACTUALLY writes his own comics.

True story.

Superman is High Herald level can be trans low level like Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk, and Orion etc.

That's it, to say hes Sky Father, Abstract bullshit is outright phuck boy status.

Originally posted by Facee
I know you voted for me Shh, it's a secret. in_love

He can punch real hard. That's his biggest power.



Punching.

Originally posted by long pig
He can punch real hard. That's his biggest power.



Punching.

Punches in comics, especially in DC comics, destroyed dimensions, intangible barrieres and did something like this:
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/jla_sm27.jpg
Punches can change the timelines, affect it etc.

**** no is the answer.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Superman ACTUALLY writes his own comics.

True story.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Punches in comics, especially in DC comics, destroyed dimensions, intangible barrieres and did something like this:
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/jla_sm27.jpg
Punches can change the timelines, affect it etc.

Lol...Hulk has done this.

I like that New 52 isn't quite as Superman-centric (at least compared to the everythingflowsfromSuperman pre reboot days) and he actually has a position in the hierarchy, he gets his ass handed to him from time to time but also will still step up as Earth's #1 defender and still has feats that "surpass" his tier. I don't see Superman as any more powerful than guys like Surfer, Thor, Orion etc. Stronger? Yes, more important to his universe? Sure, but more powerful? No.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I like that New 52 isn't quite as Superman-centric (at least compared to the everythingflowsfromSuperman pre reboot days) and he actually has a position in the hierarchy, he gets his ass handed to him from time to time but also will still step up as Earth's #1 defender and still has feats that "surpass" his tier. I don't see Superman as any more powerful than guys like Surfer, Thor, Orion etc. Stronger? Yes, more important to his universe? Sure, but more powerful? No.

Originally posted by Board Walker

at the highest level of unrestrained power

Superman is a multi (multiple companies) - megaversal abstract.

Originally posted by Scoobless

Superman ACTUALLY writes his own comics.

True story.
Surprise that hasn't been implemented seriously by some,
oh wait, Supes actually posted in a real world comic book forum not too long ago.

You way behind Scoobs.

Originally posted by carver9

Lol...Hulk has done this.
So has Juggernaut ... and Popeye.

While weakened to near death? I'd like to see that. Kal Kent was weakened to less than 1/10000th of his power level at that point.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Hulk has done this.

facepalm
First punching his way through time to a future some thousand years is different. Second this was not about the amount of power, it was about what punches can do in comics, they are more versatile than Batman utility belt. It was a reply to long pig posts. I know some things are hard to grasp, but this wasn't so don't bring Hulk in here ^^.

Originally posted by abhilegend
While weakened to near death? I'd like to see that. Kal Kent was weakened to less than 1/10000th of his power level at that point.

Why are you always wetting floor with this dumb ass "he was weakened" excuse? If you think he is so far above everyone else, why would being weakened make such a difference? Must be real easy to weaken this skyfather.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Why are you always wetting floor with this dumb ass "he was weakened" excuse? If you think he is so far above everyone else, why would being weakened make such a difference? Must be real easy to weaken this skyfather.

Its a known fact he was weakened, no amount of bellyaching on your behalf will change this one butthurt boy.

Originally posted by long pig
He can punch real hard. That's his biggest power.



Punching.

You've returned after all this time just for me to DESTROY you!!

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I like that New 52 isn't quite as Superman-centric (at least compared to the everythingflowsfromSuperman pre reboot days) and he actually has a position in the hierarchy, he gets his ass handed to him from time to time but also will still step up as Earth's #1 defender and still has feats that "surpass" his tier. I don't see Superman as any more powerful than guys like Surfer, Thor, Orion etc. Stronger? Yes, more important to his universe? Sure, but more powerful? No.

You are REALLY starting to offend me with your anti-Superman heresy!!!!

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
facepalm
First punching his way through time to a future some thousand years is different. Second this was not about the amount of power, it was about what punches can do in comics, they are more versatile than Batman utility belt. It was a reply to long pig posts. I know some things are hard to grasp, but this wasn't so don't bring Hulk in here ^^.
And you're a fan of such silliness? Punching through time?

Originally posted by long pig
And you're a fan of such silliness? Punching through time?

youre a fan of dr strange. you dont have the right to call anything silly. have you heard the shit this mother****er yells randomly?

Originally posted by ghostman
youre a fan of dr strange. you dont have the right to call anything silly. have you heard the shit this mother****er yells randomly?

^

Yet the same people don't care for Dr. Strange....

Originally posted by ghostman
youre a fan of dr strange. you dont have the right to call anything silly. have you heard the shit this mother****er yells randomly?

Strange is the best sorcerer in Marvel, yet somehow Superman is the best magician in DC. In addition to all his magical feats, he's managed to keep you ****ers braindead.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Why are you always wetting floor with this dumb ass "he was weakened" excuse? If you think he is so far above everyone else, why would being weakened make such a difference? Must be real easy to weaken this skyfather.
You're just annoying at this point.

Go away troll.

BAVAGINA is under the impression anyone who challenges him is a troll. He is just a whiny baby.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Strange is the best sorcerer in Marvel, yet somehow Superman is the best magician in DC. In addition to all his magical feats, he's managed to keep you ****ers braindead.

ok young man tell me where anyone or me for that matter said superman is the best magician in dc, youre just making up shit i was addressing the irony of long pig calling something silly when he loves strange. by the moons of ishtar are you ****ing retarded.

Originally posted by ghostman
ok young man tell me where anyone or me for that matter said superman is the best magician in dc, youre just making up shit i was addressing the irony of long pig calling something silly when he loves strange. by the moons of ishtar are you ****ing retarded.

Glad people are waking up to how stupid Bavagina is.

Alfred beat the shit out of Superman.

That makes him below butler lvl.uhuh

Originally posted by long pig
And you're a fan of such silliness? Punching through time?

It's as silly as magic, people turning into green strong monster because of gamma radiation and penisless silver humanoids surfing through the Universe. I am a fan of comics and all the silliness they bring. You are on this forum, so i though you are too.

He's a high Herald no matter what mindset he's in. The only way for him to rise is to sundip.

Originally posted by JBL
He's a high Herald no matter what mindset he's in. The only way for him to rise is to sundip.

LYING WHORE!!!

Originally posted by Estacado
Alfred beat the shit out of Superman.

That makes him below butler lvl.uhuh

Superman ends the MK universe using his spit-curl!

Originally posted by JBL
He's a high Herald no matter what mindset he's in. The only way for him to rise is to sundip.

Originally posted by carver9


YOU ARE NOW IN THE DANGER ZONE!!!

Lol...

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
LYING WHORE!!! I tell you, some people are as bad as that OWAW lying crack smoking writer. Shall I bust your OWAW myth again and send that writer some more crack so that he can write another wank story and get caught in lies again?

Originally posted by JBL
I tell you, some people are as bad as that OWAW lying crack smoking writer. Shall I bust your OWAW myth again and send that writer some more crack so that he can write another wank story and get caught in lies again?

I DARE YOU to "bust" the OWAW myth again!

Go ahead.

Originally posted by JBL
I tell you, some people are as bad as that OWAW lying crack smoking writer. Shall I bust your OWAW myth again and send that writer some more crack so that he can write another wank story and get caught in lies again?

You only come around to talk shit about Superman and fans. Yes the super freaks here are crazy, but you are just as stupid.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You only come around to talk shit about Superman and fans. Yes the super freaks here are crazy, but you are just as stupid. The truth hurts I see. When superman merged with CM, who found out about who's real power?? CM sensed not a Damn thing about superman that he didn't know. If there were this so called laughable great mountain of non holding back power, CM would have known just like supes felt CMs.

Originally posted by JBL
The truth hurts I see. When superman merged with CM, who found out about who's real power?? CM sensed not a Damn thing about superman that he didn't know. If there were this so called laughable great mountain of non holding back power, CM would have known just like supes felt CMs.


Still antsy, eh?

Originally posted by Mr Master


Surprise that hasn't been implemented seriously by some,
oh wait, Supes actually posted in a real world comic book forum not too long ago.

You way behind Scoobs.

That was just Deadpool pretending to be Superman

He's high herald same Surfer,Thor etc.

Closed, because the alternative was banning half of you.

Still might happen, though.