Shang Chi vs. Cassandra Cain

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.



byrdgang21
Fight in Hells Kitchen

Standard gear & equipment for both.


Who wins?

deathslash
Shang takes this after a nice fight.

riv6672
^^^Agreed.

RadZoa
Cassandra, much better feats

deathslash
Originally posted by RadZoa
Cassandra, much better feats she has nothing of the sort

RadZoa
Originally posted by deathslash
she has nothing of the sort Except she does, and we can compare feats if you want, you'll lose, just like Shang does

deathslash
Originally posted by RadZoa
Except she does, and we can compare feats if you want, you'll lose, just like Shang does by all means, please do tell me what her best feats are.

StiltmanFTW
DODGING BULLETZZZ AFTER BEING FIRED!!!#$@*&#@@@@@111111

Oh, Shang's done it, too. Bummer laughing out loud

ShadowFyre
Those were DC bullets tho. Speedforce and all that jazz.

deathslash
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DODGING BULLETZZZ AFTER BEING FIRED!!!#$@*&#@@@@@111111

Oh, Shang's done it, too. Bummer laughing out loud yep. He's also kicked the red hulk into a mountain, survived a punch that sent him flying several blocks away, can walk on ceilings (like spider-man), has held his own against spider-man, is highly respected by black panther, has defeated a dragon, managed to put gorgon on his knees, blocked a punch from Heroim the Shamed, and has evenly fought against wolverine.

StiltmanFTW
Did nicely against Thing, too, iirc.

Beat godmode Ai Apaec when he had the spider powers and extra arms (again, if memory serves).

Was forced to fight Iron Fist and it was a stalemate. Dodged his IF tech, too.

StiltmanFTW
Dunno if he had upgrades from Tony at that time, but he did make a short work of one of those Builders robots in Hickman's Avengers run.

Raped a Doombot.

Sparred pretty evenly with Cap.

Taught Parker how to do dim mak laughing out loud

iceman24567
Shang Chi is simply more powerful...

Q99
Originally posted by deathslash
by all means, please do tell me what her best feats are.


Well, she's gotten draws with Deathstroke the Terminator on multiple occasions. That's pretty good.


Beat Supergirl, judo-threw bizarro Supergirl, pierced Superboy's protective forcefield....

deathslash
Originally posted by Q99
Well, she's gotten draws with Deathstroke the Terminator on multiple occasions. That's pretty good.


Beat Supergirl, judo-threw bizarro Supergirl, pierced Superboy's protective forcefield.... wasn't death stroke holding back in one of their fights?

RadZoa
Originally posted by deathslash
wasn't death stroke holding back in one of their fights? Slade was leading her on a chase at one point but other than that, they never had a fight to where either of them truly had to go all out

RadZoa
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DODGING BULLETZZZ AFTER BEING FIRED!!!#$@*&#@@@@@111111

Oh, Shang's done it, too. Bummer laughing out loud Cassandra has dodged high caliber sniper rifle fire (mach 4) while it was inches from her face, that's well and above Shang dodging low caliber low velocity bullets.

Originally posted by deathslash
yep. He's also kicked the red hulk into a mountain, survived a punch that sent him flying several blocks away, can walk on ceilings (like spider-man), has held his own against spider-man, is highly respected by black panther, has defeated a dragon, managed to put gorgon on his knees, blocked a punch from Heroim the Shamed, and has evenly fought against wolverine.

Completely wrecked Bizzaro Supergirl, shrugged off getting hit in the head by a cast iron dumbbell by Deathstroke, can react to mach 4 Sniper bullets inches from her head which are 3.5x faster than the bullets from a hand gun that Shang dodged and she wasn't looking at the bullet either, shrugged off getting drop kicked by Supergirl, completely wrecked Ravager despite her having pre cog and stalemated Batman which alone is a better feat than anything Shang has to offer

deathslash
Originally posted by RadZoa
Cassandra has dodged high caliber sniper rifle fire (mach 4) while it was inches from her face, that's well and above Shang dodging low caliber low velocity bullets.low caliber and low velocity? The guy was defecting machine gun fire with his bracelets like he was wonder woman.

Originally posted by RadZoa
Completely wrecked Bizzaro Supergirl, shrugged off getting hit in the head by a cast iron dumbbell by Deathstroke, can react to mach 4 Sniper bullets inches from her head which are 3.5x faster than the bullets from a hand gun that Shang dodged and she wasn't looking at the bullet either, shrugged off getting drop kicked by Supergirl, completely wrecked Ravager despite her having pre cog and stalemated Batman which alone is a better feat than anything Shang has to offer getting hit with a dumbell to the face is know where near as impressive as being sent into the sky with a punch and landing several blocks away and still being conscious. Was super girl going all out like Heroim was when he tried to kill Shang Chi? Bro, stalemating batman isn't even half as impressive as dropping gorgon to his knees, or stalemate Iron Fist, or stalemating spider-man, or stalemating wolverine.

Flyattractor
So have they finally pulled Shang out of Jobber mode I take it in the comics?

deathslash
Originally posted by Flyattractor
So have they finally pulled Shang out of Jobber mode I take it in the comics? he's always been powerful. It's just that some people refuse to admit it.

abhilegend
Cassie wins. Originally posted by deathslash
low caliber and low velocity? The guy was defecting machine gun fire with his bracelets like he was wonder woman.

getting hit with a dumbell to the face is know where near as impressive as being sent into the sky with a punch and landing several blocks away and still being conscious. Was super girl going all out like Heroim was when he tried to kill Shang Chi? Bro, stalemating batman isn't even half as impressive as dropping gorgon to his knees, or stalemate Iron Fist, or stalemating spider-man, or stalemating wolverine.
Stalemating Batman isn't half as impressive? Getting hit by Deathstroke isn't impressive?

Get out.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cassie wins.
Stalemating Batman isn't half as impressive? Getting hit by Deathstroke isn't impressive?

Get out. definitely not as impressive as stalemating spider-man or Iron Fist. Surviving a dumbell to the face from Deathstroke is more impressive that blocking a punch from Heroim the Shamed and surviving a punch that sends you into earth's atmosphere and still being conscious when you land?

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
definitely not as impressive as stalemating spider-man or Iron Fist. Surviving a dumbell to the face from Deathstroke is more impressive that blocking a punch from Heroim the Shamed and surviving a punch that sends you into earth's atmosphere and still being conscious when you land?
Stalemating Batman is every bit as impressive as stalemating Iron Fist. You're taking it like Rand is Karate Kid or something. Even Logan has outskilled him.

Nearly every Street leveler stalemates Spidey when he is usually holding back. Even then he has looked far better than Shang.

Taking a hit from Supergirl is far better than getting punched by Hiroim.

It's also better than getting wrecked by Gorgon while specifically amped by Stark tech.

Or Old Cap oneshotting two Shang clones at the same time.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Stalemating Batman is every bit as impressive as stalemating Iron Fist. You're taking it like Rand is Karate Kid or something. Even Logan has outskilled him.

Nearly every Street leveler stalemates Spidey when he is usually holding back. Even then he has looked far better than Shang.

Taking a hit from Supergirl is far better than getting punched by Hiroim.

It's also better than getting wrecked by Gorgon while specifically amped by Stark tech.

Or Old Cap oneshotting two Shang clones at the same time. rand already handed Logan his own ass in a real fight and in that sparring session, rand specifically says that he was using about half as much of his skill as Logan was.

Was Supergirl going all out like Heroim was?

If by "getting wrecked" you mean putting gorgon on his knees (something that even a highly prepped elekta's and wolverine couldn't manage to do). Gorgon has also kicked the crap out of speedsters and super strong bruisers (sometimes in the same fight).

Clones? As in not the real thing? You count that against Shang?

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
rand already handed Logan his own ass in a real fight and in that sparring session, rand specifically says that he was using about half as much of his skill as Logan was.

Was Supergirl going all out like Heroim was?

If by "getting wrecked" you mean putting gorgon on his knees (something that even a highly prepped elekta's and wolverine couldn't manage to do). Gorgon has also kicked the crap out of speedsters and super strong bruisers (sometimes in the same fight).

Clones? As in not the real thing? You count that against Shang?
Logan has handed Rand his ass twice at this point. Half his skills? Never knew Rand was a whiner too, "waah, I wasn't using my full skills".

Yes, she was trying to take Cassie out. Are you trying to say Hiroim is as strong as Kara?

As soon as Gorgon got serious, he ****ing wrecked Shang and threw him away like trash. Shang was amped to boot.

They are perfectly equal to Shang in skills and strength. So yeah, I do.

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
rand already handed Logan his own ass in a real fight and in that sparring session, rand specifically says that he was using about half as much of his skill as Logan was.

Was Supergirl going all out like Heroim was?

If by "getting wrecked" you mean putting gorgon on his knees (something that even a highly prepped elekta's and wolverine couldn't manage to do). Gorgon has also kicked the crap out of speedsters and super strong bruisers (sometimes in the same fight).

Clones? As in not the real thing? You count that against Shang?

Batman stalemated 3boot Karate Kid. Karate Kid>>>Shang-Chi.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Shang Chi wins. He's currently far too powerful for her and almost any street.

carver9
Good to see you posting again bro.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
Batman stalemated 3boot Karate Kid. Karate Kid>>>Shang-Chi. does the concept of PIS and not using ABC logic still escape you? Also, wasn't KK amnesiac and dying at the time?

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
does the concept of PIS and not using ABC logic still escape you? Also, wasn't KK amnesiac and dying at the time?

I said 3boot Val, not classic Val.

Zack M
CC returns in Batman Eternal! Can't wait.

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/10/cassandra-cain-returns-in-batman-and-robin-eternal-at-comic-con/

JayDaDon
^Ur late brah...


And Shang wins. He's closer to IF now than Cass.

Zack M
Originally posted by JayDaDon
^Ur late brah...


And Shang wins. He's closer to IF now than Cass.

In chi based powers, sure, but overall, I think they're close in overall stats.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Logan has handed Rand his ass twice at this point. Half his skills? Never knew Rand was a whiner too, "waah, I wasn't using my full skills".

Yes, she was trying to take Cassie out. Are you trying to say Hiroim is as strong as Kara?

As soon as Gorgon got serious, he ****ing wrecked Shang and threw him away like trash. Shang was amped to boot.

They are perfectly equal to Shang in skills and strength. So yeah, I do. when was the second time that Logan beat rand? All I remember was the first time (when rand wrecked Logan and several x-men at the same time) and their sparring session. Danny isn't the sort of person that whines. If he said that he was using 30 percent of his skill, then there's no reason to doubt him unless otherwise stated.

Take her out (as in kill) or take her out (as in knock out)? You have to specify which one it is because we both know that if she was just trying to knock her out, the feat isn't nearly as impressive as Shang blocking a bloodlusted Heroim's punch.

His skills? Yes. His intelligence though?

Board Walker
Spiderman has FTL reaction times, and trans level spot durability.

If batman ia serious he wins without an issue.


With that said due to Cassandra's closness to the concept that is batman she wins from power transition.

RadZoa
Originally posted by deathslash
does the concept of PIS and not using ABC logic still escape you? Also, wasn't KK amnesiac and dying at the time? Lol PIS, the term people use to discredit something they dislike, GTFO with that crap.

deathslash
Originally posted by RadZoa
Lol PIS, the term people use to discredit something they dislike, GTFO with that crap. that's because every single feat that Valley has screams that he would destroy batman in a straight up fight.

StyleTime
It's fine if people think Cass wins, but the Supergirl "fight" isn't applicable. Batgirl had prep: she weakened Supergirl with red sun radiation, used red sun enhanced swords, obscured Kara's vision with diamond dust, and Kara was distracted because her boy toy was tortured and hanging from the ceiling. The only notable part was surviving the drop kick, but Kara was weakened and simply wanted to talk.

This isn't Cassandra with one sided prep vs Shang. It's a straight up fight.

Kara wrecks both of them though, you silly nannies.

RadZoa
Kind of like how Shang had prep against Gorgon yet Lord behold it was brought up here.

RadZoa
Originally posted by deathslash
he's always been powerful. It's just that some people refuse to admit it. Nah he's always been overrated, I've seen Wolverine curbstomp him, Shang has never stalemated Spiderman or Iron Fist where they were both going all out, maybe Danny some decades ago before all of his massive power ups.


Originally posted by deathslash
low caliber and low velocity? The guy was defecting machine gun fire with his bracelets like he was wonder woman.

Scans? Because I looked and I've only seen him deflect a bullet from one shooter and with a hand gun


Originally posted by deathslash
getting hit with a dumbell to the face is know where near as impressive as being sent into the sky with a punch and landing several blocks away and still being conscious. Was super girl going all out like Heroim was when he tried to kill Shang Chi? Bro, stalemating batman isn't even half as impressive as dropping gorgon to his knees, or stalemate Iron Fist, or stalemating spider-man, or stalemating wolverine.

Not really, Cass got hit in the template with a solid piece of metal from a guy who can shatter missile proof glass and smack around Donna Troy, and where is the evidence that Heroim was going all out?

Stalemating Batman is a better feat than dropping Gorgon with prep and then getting easily beaten by him, and unless Iron Fist, Wolverine and Spiderman were going all out it's moot and Wolverine has beaten Shang quite handedly before.

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.