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1. Who has the best arguments in their videos?

2. Who presents the fights in a consistent fashion based off of feats?

3. Who pits the most compatible characters with each other?

4. Who would win a fist fight?

Battle takes place on neutral ground

Bandele in all.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bandele in all.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bandele in all.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bandele in all.

Originally posted by carthage
1. Who has the best arguments in their videos?

2. Who presents the fights in a consistent fashion based off of feats?

3. Who pits the most compatible characters with each other?

4. Who would win a fist fight?

Battle takes place on neutral ground

I'm not sure about 4 although Bandele comfortably in all. He's the most unbiased of the versus video makers out there and his videos have the most quality. Evan and Jensaaurai's videos can be fun to watch when there not 45-60 minute videos of just slamming on one character. Bandele interacts with his subscribers the best and is the most entertaining to follow.

Bandele would mess them up in a fist fight too, he does lots of lightsaber choreography AND he's black.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
I'm not sure about 4 although Bandele comfortably in all. He's the most unbiased of the versus video makers out there and his videos have the most quality. Evan and Jensaaurai's videos can be fun to watch when there not 45-60 minute videos of just slamming on one character. Bandele interacts with his subscribers the best and is the most entertaining to follow.

This.

Antione in all. Then Evan and GreyJedi before his "inactive", then noooothing, and noooothing again, then Jensaarai. Then again: noooooooothing, a lot of shit, shiiiit again, worst things in the universe. And after that: Reti4. As I remember the autor of idiotic idea, that Ti and Koon would defeat Dooku and Maul in 2vs2 combat.
Wolf Myth isn't that bad either, if we are counting him.

1.Bandele.
2.GreyJedi.
3.EvanNova.
4.Reti4.

^
And Jensaarai ?

I am only listing the ones I find to be genuinely impartial.

Forkliftermatt is pretty good too IMO

oO I dont know him, I'll check

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Forkliftermatt is pretty good too IMO

His knowledge has probably improved now. The first video I saw from him was Savage Oppress vs the Inquisitor.

Originally posted by ILS
Bandele would mess them up in a fist fight too, he does lots of lightsaber choreography AND he's black.

lol Ok. He seems like the smartest too.

Originally posted by McP
Antione in all. Then Evan and GreyJedi before his "inactive", then noooothing, and noooothing again, then Jensaarai. Then again: noooooooothing, a lot of shit, shiiiit again, worst things in the universe. And after that: Reti4. As I remember the autor of idiotic idea, that Ti and Koon would defeat Dooku and Maul in 2vs2 combat.
Wolf Myth isn't that bad either, if we are counting him.

Well Reti4 is allowed his own opinion. But yes, I do think that Dooku and Maul together were undervalued and more dangerous than stated.

At least Reti4 didn't make a video like Tholme vs Zannah or Hoth vs Bane though

To be fair, they are all pretty terrible and following them in a fanbase-esque fashion is pretty depressing.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
At least Reti4 didn't make a video like Tholme vs Zannah or Hoth vs Bane though

Why are those match ups bad? Sorry, I know the characters although I;m not an expert on in depth details about them. I know what Zannah's like though. Antoine Bandele has done Grievous vs PROXY that while one sided, was a good matchup. I think people didn't like it because PROXY's underrated. Even then, he didn't constantly slam on PROXY.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Why are those match ups bad?

Hoth doesn't remotely compare to Bane in any sense of the word.

The fact a long video was made on it, and that Hoth won, is gross.

We simply don't *know* enough about Hoth to judge. There are zero fights with him in any SW material.

I think he's pretty skilled and powerful. Didn't Kyle even hear about him even in Dark Forces? The guy was probably high up there for his time.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Hoth doesn't remotely compare to Bane in any sense of the word.

The fact a long video was made on it, and that Hoth won, is gross.

Ok fair enough.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Well Reti4 is allowed his own opinion. But yes, I do think that Dooku and Maul together were undervalued and more dangerous than stated.

Yes, he is. As we all. But his opinion was far beyond stupidity. That's all. He can have his BS opinions, but that's making him shitty "versus youtuber".

Originally posted by Emperordmb
At least Reti4 didn't make a video like Tholme vs Zannah or Hoth vs Bane though

Well, a verdict that puts Ti and Koon above Dooku and Maul in a team fight is at least as retarded as the whole idea of SMOKE.

Originally posted by carthage
I think he's pretty skilled and powerful. Didn't Kyle even hear about him even in Dark Forces? The guy was probably high up there for his time.


Sure, he's definitely famous, he was the general that lead the Jedi in the defeat of the sith, and the order's battlemaster before he left to form the Army of Light. His military command prowess alone is worth remembering.

It's just the physical side we don't know much of specifically.

Bandele is too simple stupid for me.. I higly prefer Jensaarai critical thinking...

Even if I like Grey Jedi first versus eries with his keep it simple stupid... I think it was good an logic... Antoine bandele don't make good potrait of teh characters...
Antoine is my leats favorite...

And Jen win in all...

It is not the ebst compelling fight but higly compatible...

Jensaarai is base of feat but also theory like me he had to deal with lightly feature character, and feat alone do not mean quasi anything in that case, you have to interpret them... exploit them...

NAd Jensaarai critical thinking do it just right. He even go deep in character psychology.
Who would win in a fight... jensaarai crittical analys make it clear...

Jensaarai have a better understanding of the EU... He udnerstand robot chiken joke messages... Thing that you do not..

My problem with Antoine is that you can tell he's reading off a script, and that he's trying to throw in as many SAT vocab words as possible to make himself seem smarter. But then he's got so many grammatical errors that it really doesn't work.

Evan and Jens are much more conversational, and to me that makes them more credible than Antoine. I don't always agree with their verdicts and they've both done some questionable match-ups, but they at least can articulate their position well enough that I can see where they're coming from. Antoine always seems to go with the "safe" verdict for "safe" reasons...and sometimes that's just boring.

Dafuq is wrong with scripting videos?

I'm pretty sure they all do it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Dafuq is wrong with scripting videos?

I'm pretty sure they all do it.

Agreed. If anything, both Evannova and Jensaaurai copy each others scripts.

Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
Antoine always seems to go with the "safe" verdict for "safe" reasons...and sometimes that's just boring.

Yeah ... because Starkiller > Anakin, Malgus > Maul, Vader > Windu, Maul > Starkiller, Dooku > Mace, Bane > Vader are all very "safe" verdicts.

Jensaarai1 is good and all but he is bias. And no, I don't think he is bias for certain characters. He seems bias to his own arguments. He goes into a match up and says, let's see how Vader beats Yoda or ... let's see how Tholme beats Zannah, rather than look at each character independently from a point he is trying to make, and really judging them from an objective viewpoint. A lot of his arguments are based on his point rather than the accolades or feats of the characters, disregarding feats or achievements that do not serve his point and embellishing those that do. He crafts some compelling arguments and presents them pretty well but they are, ultimately, sometimes wrong. And this stems from the confirmation bias that he falls into.

EvanNova95 is pretty solid but he emulates Jensaarai1 a little too much, to the point where he says the same exact words he does. Up until Bane vs Hoth he went with some pretty "safe" verdicts.

Reti4 has some interesting ideas. I actually like that he respects both Plo Koon and Shaak Ti unlike most folks on these boards. He takes accolades and makes sense of them, rather than writing characters off because they may lack feats.

The real sleeper that no one ever seems to mention is GreyJedi91, who started all this YouTube Versus Series stuff. He is so underrated sometimes it hurts and he started it all. For me, he is the best at not only taking feats and accolades and respecting each character, but also presenting the mentality and the themes of each character. One of my favorite videos of his was Zannah vs Asajj vs Talon. He paints this great picture of all the characters and gives them all a through line. He praises all of them for their strengths and is critical of all their weaknesses. For the most balanced VS ... GreyJedi91 is where its at.

You and GJ91 are the best versus creators at the moment by far.

but btw Ahsoka kicks Korra's ass

Lmao @ Bane being better than Vader

Originally posted by childishfiasco

The real sleeper that no one ever seems to mention is GreyJedi91, who started all this YouTube Versus Series stuff. He is so underrated sometimes it hurts and he started it all. For me, he is the best at not only taking feats and accolades and respecting each character, but also presenting the mentality and the themes of each character. One of my favorite videos of his was Zannah vs Asajj vs Talon. He paints this great picture of all the characters and gives them all a through line. He praises all of them for their strengths and is critical of all their weaknesses. For the most balanced VS ... GreyJedi91 is where its at.

Isn't that because, until a week ago, he'd gone a year without an actual vs, and has a lot fewer than the other names?

Well, that, and he rates Sedriss weirdly high.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
You and GJ91 are the best versus creators at the moment by far.

but btw Ahsoka kicks Korra's ass

Is childish fiasco one of the demon ilk?

I think it's Antoine

Carthage aren't you going to roast the new resident Bane-lover?

I'm friends with him on PS3/4 he's a cool dude

Who?

https://twitter.com/JesusTheKingJr/

kek Skillz fiasco would beat you up dude.

(assuming he's the right guy LMFAO).

Bandele actually has MMA training, he could even kick Sunrazer's ass

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://twitter.com/JesusTheKingJr/

kek Skillz fiasco would beat you up dude.

(assuming he's the right guy LMFAO). Childishfiasco is Antoine, LMFAO.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I'm friends with him on PS3/4 he's a cool dude

JOKER AND ANTOINE HAVE PS4

OH LMFAO. Antoine has done God's work in terms of Revan though, NGL.

He also seems pretty chill and a nice guy to have a box of Caprisun with.

mmm His views are pretty shit but I think a lot are just outdated.

Pretty sure he changed his opinions on a lot of matters and stuff. mmm

Must be pretty cool for him to see everyone saying he's the best of YT tho.

That reminds me. I've got plenty of time to dust off my PS4 now that I'm out of school.

kek @ how low I am to bust Bandele's balls to throw in my Revan RT in his video but then call him terrible.

mmm I'll go on record for this to be my first ever public apology to anyone involving anything I ever said:

Sorry man, I'll take my L for that one. Best to you.

Originally posted by Aurbere
That reminds me. I've got plenty of time to dust off my PS4 now that I'm out of school. omgawd we should be friends on there

Ant I stopped at Caprisun

Bro I plow through seven Caprisun juice boxes a day, kek

Originally posted by |King Joker|
omgawd we should be friends on there

Sure thing! Hit me with a PM with details (username, preferred games) and once I get things set I'll send a friend invite.

lol

Fruit punch is my favorite flavor

Tropical Punch.

Pacific Wine-Cooler FTW

Haven't had Caprisun in years... The strawberry kiwi was good I guess, in that it was the only flavor that proved to be memorable ten years later.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Pacific Wine-Cooler FTW you're going to die of liver failure

Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
My problem with Antoine is that you can tell he's reading off a script, and that he's trying to throw in as many SAT vocab words as possible to make himself seem smarter. But then he's got so many grammatical errors that it really doesn't work.

Evan and Jens are much more conversational, and to me that makes them more credible than Antoine. I don't always agree with their verdicts and they've both done some questionable match-ups, but they at least can articulate their position well enough that I can see where they're coming from. Antoine always seems to go with the "safe" verdict for "safe" reasons...and sometimes that's just boring.

I Agree.
Their match up are now accurate in term of balancing power...
Not always blood pumping like a Death Battle match up... But still....
And I appreciate when jen do obscures characters....

Originally posted by childishfiasco
Yeah ... because Starkiller > Anakin, Malgus > Maul, Vader > Windu, Maul > Starkiller, Dooku > Mace, Bane > Vader are all very "safe" verdicts.

Jensaarai1 is good and all but he is bias. And no, I don't think he is bias for certain characters. He seems bias to his own arguments. He goes into a match up and says, let's see how Vader beats Yoda or ... let's see how Tholme beats Zannah, rather than look at each character independently from a point he is trying to make, and really judging them from an objective viewpoint. A lot of his arguments are based on his point rather than the accolades or feats of the characters, disregarding feats or achievements that do not serve his point and embellishing those that do. He crafts some compelling arguments and presents them pretty well but they are, ultimately, sometimes wrong. And this stems from the confirmation bias that he falls into.

EvanNova95 is pretty solid but he emulates Jensaarai1 a little too much, to the point where he says the same exact words he does. Up until Bane vs Hoth he went with some pretty "safe" verdicts.

Reti4 has some interesting ideas. I actually like that he respects both Plo Koon and Shaak Ti unlike most folks on these boards. He takes accolades and makes sense of them, rather than writing characters off because they may lack feats.

The real sleeper that no one ever seems to mention is GreyJedi91, who started all this YouTube Versus Series stuff. He is so underrated sometimes it hurts and he started it all. For me, he is the best at not only taking feats and accolades and respecting each character, but also presenting the mentality and the themes of each character. One of my favorite videos of his was Zannah vs Asajj vs Talon. He paints this great picture of all the characters and gives them all a through line. He praises all of them for their strengths and is critical of all their weaknesses. For the most balanced VS ... GreyJedi91 is where its at.

Jensaarai watch skill set and psychology of the character something that most of us here just don't because they don't see the point of doing this... And I accept his cirtical thinking because he understand the writting behind the EU, and how author think... Go with lightly feature characters dude.... You will understand...

Grey Jedi is good even if he go simple stupid with light analisys, he is good.

And ha yhea new versus video from Grey Jedi.. Remember that jensaarai higly help Grey Jedi mastering his art... And now he is kinda a Jensaarai bis....
It is an obscure match up...

And Yhea is Antoine bandele skilled enough to make so moove analys?
Jensaarai is. And he is capbble of by just watching a swing to tell this guy is an ataru specialist, hey I know this secret botte, it is one devlopped by Exar Kun.
None of us actually does....

If you think any of them are bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZFhBy-c7s

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bro I plow through seven Caprisun juice boxes a day, kek Respect.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bro I plow through seven Caprisun juice boxes a day, kek real nigga shit

ILS Finna Bish

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
If you think any of them are bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZFhBy-c7s
Ho I've even seen worse XD
I have found a starkiller fan that might make Ant go mad with what he said about Revan....

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Ho I've even seen worse XD
I have found a starkiller fan that might make Ant go mad with what he said about Revan....

Oh no, not the Revan fanboys.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Oh no, not the Revan fanboys. Your mother has webbed feet.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Oh no, not the Revan fanboys.
Kek, I lead them.

99% are terrible though, yeah.

I was save by my will to research on teh Character and Ant thread.. And By Jensaarai critical thinkings, and death battle way to approach the versus series world...
I Firstly take the Name of Darth Revan knowing barely the name an thinking he was awsome...Then I begin to play some RP on the forum.. Then I begin to make research.. Then I realize teh abdassery.. Tehn I research more and more and more abou the character...

Today I go back on my step trying to see if I haven't missed anything...

He said that Revan wasn't even cappable of force drain....
An average for user for KotOR era and KotOR era are out dated Jedi... Ignoring the fact that most of sith and Jedi knowledge of this era have been lost. And that knowledge is power...

All of this with a shitty 12 years old choir boy voice...... And a low quality static image..

Ha yhea and between tis there is guy like wolf myth.. Who are decent I know 3 wolf myth alikes...

He is a comicvine activist...

I'm reading Wolf Myths posts on the Zannah vs Lumiya video. He's pretty good.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm reading Wolf Myths(snip....)He's pretty good.

LAL.

Originally posted by ILS
real nigga shit

You're black?

> Implying you have to be black to say nigga.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
You're black?

XD I could have made a goos post if my mind wasn't that much confused...

Antoine, how does it feel to know you're winning threads on the daily?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Forkliftermatt is pretty good too IMO

He's not that good. The Inquisitor > Savage Opress is a proof.

Wasn't that like his first video which he has since then completely reversed his opinion on?

Antoine, Evan, Jen. In that order.

Jen's all about theories and conjecture.

Antoine sticks solidly to feats.

Evan is a good mix between the two except he tends to underrate/overrate characters he has a bias for.

I'd argue Antoine>GJ91>>>Reti4>Jensaarai1>Evannova

Not sure where exactly ForkLifterMatt falls into things, but I'd definitely put him above the ">>>" in this chain

Originally posted by Emperordmb
GJ91
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNbIW69yQQ&t=0m19s

Plo Koon vs. Darth Caedus

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoNbIW69yQQ&t=0m19s
GreyJedi91

I actually do not think Antoine is that great of a debater. His videos aren't really persuasive arguments, he just tells it from his perspective without really trying to get anyone on his "side" of the argument. If anything he attempts to keep thinks fair and balanced.

Originally posted by childishfiasco
I actually do not think Antoine is that great of a debater. His videos aren't really persuasive arguments, he just tells it from his perspective without really trying to get anyone on his "side" of the argument. If anything he attempts to keep thinks fair and balanced. When's Xanatos vs. Cad Bane coming out?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
When's Xanatos vs. Cad Bane coming out?

Working on it now actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wpWvkFlyl4M#t=48

I agree with the humor of Antoine throwing in random SAT vocab words in an attempt to sound smarter; also what's up with him speeding up his voice?

If I had a dollar for everytime EvanNova and Bandele said "however" and other linking phrases, I'd have enough money to *insert joke here*

I found EvanNova's Jango vs Pre Vizsla video to be quite good; on par with a Bandele level video actually IMO.

Antoine throws around SAT words?! Just take a look at The others. Antoine seems pretty concise and chill with how he explains shit.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Antoine throws around SAT words?! Just take a look at The others. Antoine seems pretty concise and chill with how he explains shit.

I've wondered about this too, not sure what "SAT words" they refer to. Granted, I agree the older videos had an excessive use of "however."