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Classic Mangog, but basically both at peak..

1.H2H/Slugfest
2.Both use full powers and abilities

Who wins?

Mangog? The guy who gives odin fits?

One feeds on hate, the other feeds on anger. They're gonna punch each other with increasing force til they explode, and we detect the gravitational waves from that universe.

Could go either way. I'm giving Hulk the edge though.

Let's see, high herald level strength with trans level durability against a being that can disintegrate thousands of beings and destroy a planet without touching it? This is a spite thread.

Mangog feeds on hatred, anger, physical and energy attack. Hulk would be feeding Mangog; basically mangog is sky father in power

And no Skyfather is tanking a hit from standard Hulk, let alone WBH.

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Originally posted by carver9
And no Skyfather is tanking a hit from standard Hulk, let alone WBH.
Huh?

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Mangog tanks (unharmed) "an energy beam powerful enough to tear apart the core of a star"

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Originally posted by carver9
And no Skyfather is tanking a hit from standard Hulk, let alone WBH.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51565/1664736-incredible_hulks__622_0013.jpg

http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/hulk/Hulk_Zeus_6.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Could go either way. I'm giving Hulk the edge though.

Factoring in your Hulk bias, that means Mangog wins at least 8/10.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/141719/2731441-1819955_1664737_incredible_hulks__622_013_super.jpg

Lol. Zeus is huge.

Originally posted by h1a8
Let's see, high herald level strength with trans level durability against a being that can disintegrate thousands of beings and destroy a planet without touching it? This is a spite thread.


Where did you get hh and trans? Mangog is a legit Skyfather level being.

Originally posted by carver9
And no Skyfather is tanking a hit from standard Hulk, let alone WBH.

Nah he just grabs his hits and owns hulks dumb weak ass.

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RASENGAN!

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WBH wins.

A beating.

This is a spite thread. WBH could simply kill Mangog by barely touching him.

Leaning towards Mangog.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51565/1664736-incredible_hulks__622_0013.jpg quick, someone post the scan of Zeus getting owned by a normal spear

Mangog beats the shit out of hulk,a guy who gives odin trouble isn't losing to hulk

Mangog beats any Hulk.

Lol...WBH kills him.

Hulk wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...WBH kills him.

Do you wake up dumb or does it take you a few minutes to get there?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Do you wake up dumb or does it take you a few minutes to get there?

Lol...you have been trying to get my attention for days. Hulk kills him.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a spite thread. WBH could simply kill Mangog by barely touching him.


Post scans of WBH killing a Classic Mangog level character by "barely touching them".

Hulk gets busted on.

Odin can't beat Mangog straight up, WTF is Hulk going to do?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Odin can't beat Mangog straight up, WTF is Hulk going to do?

Because Odin is mid to high herald strength wise, while WBH is at least Low Skyfather, strength wise. Odin would beat WBHulk, he might even be able to compete if amped, strengthwise with normal Hulk but not WBH. Just because he is a Skyfather doesn't mean that all his stats are at that level. His magic high skyfather level, maybe his durability and maybe even his mental powers might be up to skyfather level but his physical stats? Doubt it. Mangog is physically low Trans to low Skyfather strength wise, depends on the hyperbole and benefit of the doubt, featwise he is below Hulk.

Odin can amp his strength to skyfather level

Originally posted by iceman24567
Odin can amp his strength to skyfather level

Why does he fear Mangog and doesn't want to fight him physically?

The scans provided of Zeus beating the mess out of the Hulk portrayed a Hulk that was not really at the levels that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. Just wanted to make mention of that small point.

Originally posted by Stoic
The scans provided of Zeus beating the mess out of the Hulk portrayed a Hulk that was not really at the levels that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. Just wanted to make mention of that small point.

My point was he said Standard Hulk would be no match for a skyfather as well. That hulk shown was way above standard Hulk. Just read my signature for clarification of what the idiot said.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
My point was he said Standard Hulk would be no match for a skyfather as well. That hulk shown was way above standard Hulk. Just read my signature for clarification of what the idiot said.

Who Carver? I thought that he said that no Sky father would be able to one shot a standard Hulk or something like that? In the scans presenter, I think he may be onto something. Not sure if I'm talking about the correct argument though?

Originally posted by Stoic
Who Carver? I thought that he said that no Sky father would be able to one shot a standard Hulk or something like that? In the scans presenter, I think he may be onto something. Not sure if I'm talking about the correct argument though?

Originally posted by carver9
And no Skyfather is tanking a hit from standard Hulk, let alone WBH.

Well the Hulk did punch him, and he didn't tank it so there's that.

I like how Stoic is implying WBH would have beaten Zeus when in another thread he labeled OWAW/Sundipped Superman as a mere mountain buster.

You just made my day

Originally posted by Stoic
Well the Hulk did punch him, and he didn't tank it so there's that.

He did tank it he beat Hulk into submission.

A lot of people answering Hulk? Since this topic is about Classic Mangog, then it doesn't matter since Hulk is gonna get his ass kick. Classic Mangog feeds on the rage,anger,hatred,fear and etc.This things are known as negative emotions.He was capable of imprisoning Loki. Turned Asgaidians into barn yard animals. Mangog was capable of tanking everything thrown at him. And what happened when Hulk faced a being who feeds on his anger? Chaos War Incredible Hulks#620 shows to us exactly when Brian Banner became Devil Hulk, he feed on the Hulk's own hatred. As a result we had wounded and baldy Hulk. Hulk was just lucky someone said to him to stop hating. Now put Hulk against a being that is skyfather level and feeds on his anger, the result is Hulk is dead.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I like how Stoic is implying WBH would have beaten Zeus when in another thread he labeled OWAW/Sundipped Superman as a mere mountain buster.

You just made my day

Is that what your imagination lead you to believe? It may also help if you learn how to actually read.


Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He did tank it he beat Hulk into submission.

So when the Hulk punched him and he flew, is that what it means to tank something? I thought that tanking a hit would appear to be similar to what Tyrant did when he was hit by Bill's hammer?

Originally posted by Stoic
Is that what your imagination lead you to believe? It may also help if you learn how to actually read.




So when the Hulk punched him and he flew, is that what it means to tank something? I thought that tanking a hit would appear to be similar to what Tyrant did when he was hit by Bill's hammer?

Ok he didn't just stand there, but he also was not affected, then proceeded to beat the living shit outa WWH.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ok he didn't just stand there, but he also was not affected, then proceeded to beat the living shit outa WWH.

Let me make myself perfectly clear so that certain people don't take my words out of context. There was something very odd about the Hulk's behavior during his run in with Zeus. There were two things that I noticed about the confrontation.

1. The Hulk was certainly not at the level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. Draw your conclusions.

2. According to context, he went there seeking Zeus' aid, and not to get into it with him. He most certainly was holding back the entire time, because if he were operating on the same levels that he was when he was in the Dark Dimension, I fail to see how Mount Olympus would have remained intact, not to mention the entire planet. So again, draw your own conclusions.

As for this thread. Mangog is a (merged being). Not a Sky Father, and thus his powers are somewhat different. I don't really want to get into what the Hulk has resisted due to his HF in the past, but the transmutations, and several of his other powers may not work. The Psychic mind bolts may also make matters worse for this version of the Hulk as well. If we are taking the Hulk that was bludgeoned by Zeus, and pretending that this was him at world breaking levels then fine, Mangog would beat the life out of him.

However, he had better be packing more than he was packing when he fought Thor, while in the service of Thanos. If not, I can't see how he would defeat a Hulk that was far stronger than a being registering at above 100 Hercs. I mean if we were to compare 1 Hercules to 1 Thor. Just something to think about.

Seems like all pro Hulk tards don't understand how classic mangog works.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ok he didn't just stand there, but he also was not affected, then proceeded to beat the living shit outa WWH.

He screamed out when Hulk punched him and was sent flying into a pillar.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Seems like all pro Hulk tards don't understand how classic mangog works.

Was that comment to me? If so why don't you explain how his powers work.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Seems like all pro Hulk tards don't understand how classic mangog works.


You do realize that WB Hulk learned how to control his strength level by concentrating and not going on a full blown rage out right? Is there any proof that he would actually amplify Mangog in this particular case?

I thought WBH was finally cutting loose, as he could do so over and over again....

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Seems like all pro Hulk tards don't understand how classic mangog works. We know what the comic shows. Mangog's power didn't increase significantly or instantly when being fueled by rage. If you disagree then provide proof to the signficant increase and how fast the increase is. Otherwise, WB Hulk one shots him before any significant increase happens. Also WB was not powered through rage but through control of his power. He can go from Banner to WB in a matter of seconds. So Mangog will not even be feeding off much rage at all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought WBH was finally cutting loose, as he could do so over and over again....

Do you think that the Hulk was cutting loose when he had that confrontation with Zeus? I'm not saying that he would win even if he did, but I didn't see him cutting loose when he had the ability to do so. I recall his meditative training on Sakaar, and it permitted him to jump to HOTM levels on the fly.

How is this still on...an odin adversary vs hulk? In whose fanfiction is this a fight?

But when he specifically broke a world, I.e., was THE worldbreaker....he was cutting loose thanks to the wishing well.

Prior to that, and subsequently, yes, he's always in control and holding back, running the gamma maths.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But when he specifically broke a world, I.e., was THE worldbreaker....he was cutting loose thanks to the wishing well.

Prior to that, and subsequently, yes, he's always in control and holding back, running the gamma maths.

Are you claiming that the WW had an effect on the Hulk? I don't understand what your statement means.

Originally posted by carver9
He screamed out when Hulk punched him and was sent flying into a pillar.


Then what happened? He owned Hulk like the overconfident ***** he is

Originally posted by Genii96
How is this still on...an odin adversary vs hulk? In whose fanfiction is this a fight? An Odin adversary that fought a high herald for a while. When Mangog actually fought Odin he was one shot. So Odin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mangog.

Anyway if WBH hits even Odin then Odin will be dead as a door nail.

No Odin will survive and kill Hulk. Simple as that.

Galaxy buster>East Seabord Cracker.

Originally posted by Genii96
How is this still on...an odin adversary vs hulk? In whose fanfiction is this a fight?

His more recent confrontation with Thor, and the Hulk's ability to withstand the might of being capable of hitting with the force of over 100 Herc's of power may give some people the idea that WB Hulk has every right to be in this situation. He was also at a far lower level when he took the hit than when he was in the Dark Dimension. Mangog is certainly troublesome for Odin, but he isn't Odin, and he does not have Odin's abilities. making it seem like we are placing WB Hulk up against Odin is an incorrect way of looking at this.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No Odin will survive and kill Hulk. Simple as that.

Galaxy buster>East Seabord Cracker.

I agree. Odin and Zeus would beat the mess out of any Hulk. However the foot fall was a WW Hulk feat, and not a world breaker Hulk feat per forum ruling.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No Odin will survive and kill Hulk. Simple as that.

Galaxy buster>East Seabord Cracker. Huh?
That's not WBH, that's WWH. WBH exerted AND TANKED billions of times the force capable of disintegrating thousands of herald level beings and a planet. In other words, take the physical force capable of disintegrating thousands of low heralds and destroy a planet at the same time AND MULTIPLY IT BY BILLIONS.

It's one thing to kill a herald with a blow, it's an entirely different thing to kill thousands of them and a planet, it's another different thing to disintegrate kill them and destroy a planet, and it's even a totally different thing to disintegrate without touching them with pure strength alone.

How would Odin survive? He has no physical blunt force durability feats on this level.
His galaxy busting feat was purely offense (using lots of blasting with help) and purely an energy durability feat (not a physical blunt force feat). Galaxies don't hit back.

Originally posted by h1a8
Huh?
That's not WBH, that's WWH. WBH exerted AND TANKED billions of times the force capable of disintegrating thousands of herald level beings and a planet. In other words, take the physical force capable of disintegrating thousands of low heralds and destroy a planet at the same time AND MULTIPLY IT BY BILLIONS.

It's one thing to kill a herald with a blow, it's an entirely different thing to kill thousands of them and a planet, it's another different thing to disintegrate kill them and destroy a planet, and it's even a totally different thing to disintegrate without touching them with pure strength alone.

How would Odin survive? He has no physical blunt force durability feats on this level.
His galaxy busting feat was purely offense (using lots of blasting with help) and purely an energy durability feat (not a physical blunt force feat). Galaxies don't hit back.

Don't pull that shit you do with Superman, and try doing it with Hulk, with me.

Classic Mangog is a beast! (read all the scans --- a BEAST!)

Odin admitted he could not defeat Mangog.

Mangog one-shotted Odin and all of Asgard combined!

Mangog was defeated, after Odin rejuvenated himself to full power,
plus he amped himself with two external power sources in addition to de-power Mangog.

Odin died using all that power to beat Mangog.

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WBH dies

Originally posted by Mr Master
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I wonder why didn't Odin just start busting galaxies there.

Or universes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I wonder why didn't Odin just start busting galaxies there.

Or universes.

he should have just busted on all them from the start.

Validus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mangog/Odin

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
he should have just busted on all them from the start.
Odin must be a wimp to lose to a brick.

Oh right, only marvel characters gets a pass on things like these.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Classic Mangog is a beast! (read all the scans --- a BEAST!)

Odin admitted he could not defeat Mangog.

Mangog one-shotted Odin and all of Asgard combined!

Mangog was defeated, after Odin rejuvenated himself to full power,
plus he amped himself with two external power sources in addition to de-power Mangog.

Odin died using all that power to beat Mangog.

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ODIN was depowered and all the Asgardians were human like. They died falling 20 feet from the air. Mangog hits Mjolnir back at Thor equal to Thor's right hand strength. Mangog strikes Thor several times without even killing or koing Thor. Thus implies Mangog is a little stronger than Thor and somewhat more durable. Certainly not strong enough to even phase WBH in the slightest.

Why waste time with this when WBH can kill Odin with a flick. If you disagree then you have no clue the magnitude of WBH feat. You probably just think he destroyed a planet.

This thread is silly. No one debates anymore. Just go by titles. Odin is Skyfather. No version of Hulk can hurt him no matter what magnitude of feat he gets.
I mean what does a character has to do physically to prove they can one shot Odin or even hurt him? Can Galactus hurt Odin physically? What's his feats of strength? Destroying a planet? Well Hulk did a feat billions of times greater.

Originally posted by h1a8

ODIN was depowered and all the Asgardians were human like.
... Odin was fresh as a daisy till he and all of Asgard got stomped by Mangog.
Then, after Odin woke up from the k.o. Odin bfr'd the land mass of Asgard to another universe.

The beat down by Mangog, and the feat, taxed Odin.

I have no idea what you're talking about concerning "asgardians-human like."
Originally posted by h1a8

Mangog strikes Thor several times without even killing or koing Thor.

Thus implies Mangog is a little stronger than Thor and somewhat more durable.
What? I have no idea where you saw Mangog strike Thor once, let alone "several times."
Thor got k.o'd every time he got touched by Mangog, which was twice.

Mangog? ... "a little stronger that Thor?" ... You jest yes?

The Asgardians at one point dropped a mountain on top of Mangog:

Mangog shrugged off the mountain debris effortlessly:

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"Impossibly the entire multi-million-ton weight of boulders flies through the air..."

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Don't forget Mangog k.o'd Odin and his entire crew in one swoop.

Wow, A mountain?

You surely jest.

Whoa!!!!!!!

But that's right around Odin level, alright.

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Zeus, Odin and Vishnu combined all their powers and it produced an energy blast powerful enough to send a planet out of orbit.

Whoa, that's like Superman level power.

Or planet destroying punches from Odin Destroyer.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3319633-0+%2828%29.jpg

Hulk can destroy planets without even directly punching them and overcome energy blasts that can change the orbit of a planet.

shifty

Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin must be a wimp to lose to a brick.

Oh right, only marvel characters gets a pass on things like these.

Originally posted by abhilegend

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Zeus, Odin and Vishnu combined all their powers and it produced
an energy blast powerful enough to send a planet out of orbit.
Interesting low-ball. I guess their powers diminish when combined ey?

Since Odin alone (with a gesture) can send all of Asgard not just "out of orbit"
but out of the entire universe,
while simultaneously blasting Mangog with a shot that lit up space like a sun going nova:

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Originally posted by abhilegend

Whoa, that's like Superman level power.
Superman? He has nothing to do with this thread.

Ok Mangog is Mountain level, strength wise. Impressive, WBH is planetary though, he wins.

Scans of Mangog's max strength being clocked at "mountain level?"

Oh, is this based on Mangog throwing millionS of tons of rock off himself like a dog shakes off water?

So an analogy for understanding: I lift 100lbs so easily the weight flies into the air, somehow means my max is 100lbs.

I dis-agee, but I respect all opinions, even the unsupported or comedic ones.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting low-ball. I guess their powers diminish when combined ey?

Since Odin alone (with a gesture) can send all of Asgard not just "out of orbit"
but out of the entire universe,
while simultaneously blasting Mangog with a shot that lit up space like a sun going nova:

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Superman? He has nothing to do with this thread. Originally posted by Mr Master
Scans of Mangog's max strength being clocked at "mountain level?"

Oh, is this based on Mangog throwing millionS of tons of rock off himself like a dog shakes off water?

So an analogy for understanding: I lift 100lbs so easily the weight flies into the air, somehow means my max is 100lbs.

I dis-agee, but I respect all opinions, even the unsupported or comedic ones.

I don't even know why you even bother replying to posts like those. They don't deserve any actual thought because they weren't intended to do much of anything than get a reply.

Just post a scan of Superman being knocked out by a gas station or maxing out at 2 tons or something:

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Proclaim that as his limit, and call it a day.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Mangog feeds on hatred, anger, physical and energy attack. Hulk would be feeding Mangog; basically mangog is sky father in power

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I don't even know why you even bother replying to posts like those. They don't deserve any actual thought because they weren't intended to do much of anything than get a reply.

Just post a scan of Superman being knocked out by a gas station or maxing out at 2 tons or something:

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Proclaim that as his limit, and call it a day.
... damn ... where you been at Rage?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wow, A mountain?

You surely jest.

Whoa!!!!!!!
Asgardian mountains are MUCH sturdier than Earth-based ones, though. If something on Earth is dangerous to humans then its Asgardian analogue is typically dangerous to Aesir.

An example: a simple asgardian avalanche, triggered by Hela, would've likely killed Thor if he hadn't protected himself with Mjolnir... and even then it rendered Thor unconscious and he had to be saved by Tiwaz.

Originally posted by Magnon

Asgardian mountains are MUCH sturdier than Earth-based ones, though.

If something on Earth is dangerous to humans then its Asgardian analogue is typically dangerous to Aesir.

An example: a simple asgardian avalanche, triggered by Hela, would've likely killed Thor if he hadn't protected himself with Mjolnir... and even then it rendered Thor unconscious and he had to be saved by Tiwaz.
... and Mangog obliterates Asgard mountains with a single blow:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/24162071_Mangog_mountain.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting low-ball. I guess their powers diminish when combined ey?


Must be.

How else can you explain that?

Asgard must be incredibly small then.

mmm



Check your sarcasm meter.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't even know why you even bother replying to posts like those. They don't deserve any actual thought because they weren't intended to do much of anything than get a reply.

Just post a scan of Superman being knocked out by a gas station or maxing out at 2 tons or something:

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/th_ActionComics-712a_zpsudaxqlhm.jpg http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/th_ActionComics-712b_zpsqahf9gtj.jpg http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/th_ActionComics-712c_zps5gajxhu0.jpg

Proclaim that as his limit, and call it a day.
Oh rage, never change.

Originally posted by Magnon
Asgardian mountains are MUCH sturdier than Earth-based ones, though. If something on Earth is dangerous to humans then its Asgardian analogue is typically dangerous to Aesir.

An example: a simple asgardian avalanche, triggered by Hela, would've likely killed Thor if he hadn't protected himself with Mjolnir... and even then it rendered Thor unconscious and he had to be saved by Tiwaz.
Is that really so? I've never seen Thor having trouble with asgardian mountain or something.

Asgardians are supposed to be three times denser than humans. I've never find a scan which shows all Asgardian materials are more sturdy though.

Wtf lol @ super asgardian mountains.

Originally posted by h1a8
We know what the comic shows. Mangog's power didn't increase significantly or instantly when being fueled by rage. If you disagree then provide proof to the signficant increase and how fast the increase is. Otherwise, WB Hulk one shots him before any significant increase happens. Also WB was not powered through rage but through control of his power. He can go from Banner to WB in a matter of seconds. So Mangog will not even be feeding off much rage at all. again you show you don't read comics and just go on word of mouth.

Originally posted by Igniz
A lot of people answering Hulk? Since this topic is about Classic Mangog, then it doesn't matter since Hulk is gonna get his ass kick. Classic Mangog feeds on the rage,anger,hatred,fear and etc.This things are known as negative emotions.He was capable of imprisoning Loki. Turned Asgaidians into barn yard animals. Mangog was capable of tanking everything thrown at him. And what happened when Hulk faced a being who feeds on his anger? Chaos War Incredible Hulks#620 shows to us exactly when Brian Banner became Devil Hulk, he feed on the Hulk's own hatred. As a result we had wounded and baldy Hulk. Hulk was just lucky someone said to him to stop hating. Now put Hulk against a being that is skyfather level and feeds on his anger, the result is Hulk is dead.

Hit the nail on the head, you beat to this but great points. CLassic Mangog was a true sky father level being that beat down the top Sky Father in comics in Odin.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... Odin was fresh as a daisy till he and all of Asgard got stomped by Mangog.
Then, after Odin woke up from the k.o. Odin bfr'd the land mass of Asgard to another universe.

The beat down by Mangog, and the feat, taxed Odin.

I have no idea what you're talking about concerning "asgardians-human like."

What? I have no idea where you saw Mangog strike Thor once, let alone "several times."
Thor got k.o'd every time he got touched by Mangog, which was twice.

Mangog? ... "a little stronger that Thor?" ... You jest yes?

The Asgardians at one point dropped a mountain on top of Mangog:

Mangog shrugged off the mountain debris effortlessly:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/24158165_Mangog_asgardians3.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/24158166_Mangog_asgardians5.jpg

"Impossibly the entire multi-million-ton weight of boulders flies through the air..."

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Don't forget Mangog k.o'd Odin and his entire crew in one swoop. I'm sorry I was referring to the other comic where Mangog hit Thor. I believe in this comic Thor got KOED by falling to the ground off Mangogs back. It's been a long time. I have to reread it. I remember Odin being depowered and fighting Mangog on a horse with a sword like he was a normal human person. I remember Mangog lifting a bridge up and flinging Asgardian s about 20 feet in the air and when they hit the ground they were dead. So basically the ground killed them.

Million of tons isn't even 1 billionth as a planet. And a planet isn't even a billionth of billions of planets. The Hulk feat is astronomically greater.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scans of Mangog's max strength being clocked at "mountain level?"

Oh, is this based on Mangog throwing millionS of tons of rock off himself like a dog shakes off water?

So an analogy for understanding: I lift 100lbs so easily the weight flies into the air, somehow means my max is 100lbs.

I dis-agee, but I respect all opinions, even the unsupported or comedic ones. characters max out based off what they shown. Otherwise we commit no limits fallacy. Also you have to apply the same logic to Hulk as you did Mangog.

Anyway Mangog did absolutely nothing to show he had enough strength to one shot a planet. Even if he had that type of strength then it still won't even bother Hulk. Hulk tanked the force that can one shot billions of planets. You see this is vastly different levels of power.

Mangog has no feats proving he can tank a hit that can destroy a planet let alone billions. Even Odin, Destroyer, etc. Don't have any feats to support it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that really so? I've never seen Thor having trouble with asgardian mountain or something.

Asgardians are supposed to be three times denser than humans. I've never find a scan which shows all Asgardian materials are more sturdy though.

The avalanche thing, for example, happened in Mighty Thor 355 (or 354, not sure since I got the finnish translation). He got hit by it, and almost died. He wouldn't budge vs. an Earth-based avalanche, I would think.

In the X-Men Asgard trilogy, Douglas Ramsey (Cypher) was given a regular Asgardian sword, and couldn't lift it because it was way too heavy.

Lots of more examples, but the point is: it is not just the Aesir themselves who are heavier, stronger and more durable than Earthlings... everything in Asgard is.

Originally posted by Magnon
The avalanche thing, for example, happened in Mighty Thor 355 (or 354, not sure since I got the finnish translation). He got hit by it, and almost died. He wouldn't budge vs. an Earth-based avalanche, I would think.

In the X-Men Asgard trilogy, Douglas Ramsey (Cypher) was given a regular Asgardian sword, and couldn't lift it because it was way too heavy.

Lots of more examples, but the point is: it is not just the Aesir themselves who are heavier, stronger and more durable than Earthlings... everything in Asgard is.
Really? Would appreciate a scan of any such instance.

Originally posted by Magnon
The avalanche thing, for example, happened in Mighty Thor 355 (or 354, not sure since I got the finnish translation). He got hit by it, and almost died. He wouldn't budge vs. an Earth-based avalanche, I would think.

In the X-Men Asgard trilogy, Douglas Ramsey (Cypher) was given a regular Asgardian sword, and couldn't lift it because it was way too heavy.

Lots of more examples, but the point is: it is not just the Aesir themselves who are heavier, stronger and more durable than Earthlings... everything in Asgard is.

Exactly, everything in Asgard is heavier 4-7 times that on earth.

And exact same amount too.

Not that it actually matters. The boulders were specified as million tons range. Those are some really tiny mountains as even a small mountain ranges in billions of tons.

It wasn't "asgardian multi million tons".

^^ It was actually the "top" of a mountain, not an entire range.

The actual "mountain" Mangog destroyed with one punch seemed like a range.

Originally posted by h1a8

I'm sorry I was referring to the other comic where Mangog hit Thor.
That was when Mangog teamed with Thanos in Thor's vol.2 run.
While Mangog claimed several times he was a billion billion beings of power, I'm not too sure.
This version of Mangog was after amped Odin had separated Mangog from his anger.
So, I'm still looking into first: How did Mangog regain his power?
Second: If he did regain his original power, why was he weaker than his original showings?
Originally posted by h1a8

I remember Odin being depowered and fighting Mangog on a horse with a sword like he was a normal human person.
That's not proof he was "de-powered" friend.

That same horse-back riding Odin let off a blast that had a stellar nova-scale affect.
That same Odin also bfr'd all of Asgard to another universe.

So, unless there's actual direct evidence, there's no reason to think any less of Odin.
Originally posted by h1a8

Million of tons isn't even 1 billionth as a planet.
Someone said Mangog was "a little stronger than Thor" ...
I presented the mountain feat to prove that's not the case.

I mean, I'm no Thor expert, but I would think him incapable of lifting anything close to millions of tons.

mr. m handing out ass whoppings left n right

Originally posted by Mr Master
That was when Mangog teamed with Thanos in Thor's vol.2 run.
While Mangog claimed several times he was a billion billion beings of power, I'm not too sure.
This version of Mangog was after amped Odin had separated Mangog from his anger.
So, I'm still looking into first: How did Mangog regain his power?
Second: If he did regain his original power, why was he weaker than his original showings?

That's not proof he was "de-powered" friend.

That same horse-back riding Odin let off a blast that had a stellar nova-scale affect.
That same Odin also bfr'd all of Asgard to another universe.

So, unless there's actual direct evidence, there's no reason to think any less of Odin.

Someone said Mangog was "a little stronger than Thor" ...
I presented the mountain feat to prove that's not the case.

I mean, I'm no Thor expert, but I would think him incapable of lifting anything close to millions of tons. when I get home I'm going to reread everything. I could swear that Odin was depowered when he transported Asgard. We was very weak as stated I believe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that really so? I've never seen Thor having trouble with asgardian mountain or something.

Asgardians are supposed to be three times denser than humans. I've never find a scan which shows all Asgardian materials are more sturdy though.
Originally posted by Magnon
The avalanche thing, for example, happened in Mighty Thor 355 (or 354, not sure since I got the finnish translation). He got hit by it, and almost died. He wouldn't budge vs. an Earth-based avalanche, I would think.

In the X-Men Asgard trilogy, Douglas Ramsey (Cypher) was given a regular Asgardian sword, and couldn't lift it because it was way too heavy.

Lots of more examples, but the point is: it is not just the Aesir themselves who are heavier, stronger and more durable than Earthlings... everything in Asgard is.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Would appreciate a scan of any such instance.

Four Vikings needed just to lift Jarnbjorn
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2wnmgd1.jpg

Grizzly who has super strength has trouble with Asgardian doors.
http://oi61.tinypic.com/260enh3.jpg

http://oi62.tinypic.com/vyghu.jpg

Takes three of the Thunderbolts(two of which have enhanced strength) just to open the chest holding Gungnir.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/15jd78.jpg

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2q22s6c.jpg

The weight of those mountains was given and though weapons and asgardian made things might be more heavy this doesn't mean that the terrain is.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The weight of those mountains was given and though weapons and asgardian made things might be more heavy this doesn't mean that the terrain is.
Ok..


But in regards to "Asgardian made things", where do you suppose they obtain such building materials?
Maybe from their surroundings? From the terrain maybe?

Originally posted by Mr Master

The beat down by Mangog, and the feat, taxed Odin.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=617928&pagenumber=4
The narrator, pins it on Odin moving Asgard to another universe. (the feat)
Thor, seconds that by stating a "recent mighty effort" ...
Odin tells us it's ... "This battle" ... (meaning Mangog ... but the 'feat' is part of the battle, so that too)

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24163813_Odin_weak1.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24163814_Odin_weak2.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24163815_Odin_weak3.jpg

Regardless, either way, the feat happened after Mangog stomped Odin and Asgard combined.

Therefore, Odin was in optimal conditions until he attacked Mangog
with a stellar-nova scale blast while simultaneously moving Asgard to another universe.

I posted those scans already friend.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

But in regards to "Asgardian made things", where do you suppose they obtain such building materials?
Maybe from their surroundings? From the terrain maybe?
Good point.

Although we should highlight, that it was not a mountain range, or mountains, ... it was the top of a mountain:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24163900_top.jpg

It just happened to be millionS of tonS.

Regarding a mountain range, Mangog decimated one with a single hammer fist blow.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ok..


But in regards to "Asgardian made things", where do you suppose they obtain such building materials?
Maybe from their surroundings? From the terrain maybe?


Metal like Uru. Asgardian weapons are most likely enchanted and heavier because of the metals used and the process of making, like Mjolnir. The same is true for a door which was huge on top of that.

The weight of the mountain was given, we don't need to speculate. The idea that asgardian mountains are heavier is lulzworthy ridiculous and unnecessary as we know already how heavy it is. What do you hope to achive? Do you think it's as heavy as a planet? By no stretch of imagination is this impressive, maybe for a high meta.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Metal like Uru. Asgardian weapons are most likely enchanted and heavier because of the metals used and the process of making, like Mjolnir. The same is true for a door which was huge on top of that.

The weight of the mountain was given, we don't need to speculate. The idea that asgardian mountains are heavier is lulzworthy ridiculous and unnecessary as we know already how heavy it is. What do you hope to achive? Do you think it's as heavy as a planet? By no stretch of imagination is this impressive, maybe for a high meta.
I guess u missed the part where i agreed about the weight of the mountain.

The scans were to address the other point of "Asgardian stuffs" tend to weigh heavier than earthly or "Midgardian stuffs". All signs point to it.
The size of the does not really matter since Grizzly made a point of letting his squad know that Asgardian stuff are surprisingly heavy. Also of note is he has superhuman strength. The stone slab alone that was the cover for the chest needed 3 people to open. Two of them have enhanced strength.

This is the best thread ever created.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I guess u missed the part where i agreed about the weight of the mountain.

The scans were to address the other point of "Asgardian stuffs" tend to weigh heavier than earthly or "Midgardian stuffs". All signs point to it.
The size of the does not really matter since Grizzly made a point of letting his squad know that Asgardian stuff are surprisingly heavy. Also of note is he has superhuman strength. The stone slab alone that was the cover for the chest needed 3 people to open. Two of them have enhanced strength.

Seems i missed it but it's still pointless if asgardian stuff is heavier isn't it? The mountain feat is so unimpressive that this whole discussion becomes a ridiculous derailing of the fight.

Savage Hulk supported a 150 billions ton mountain and WBH is arguably 100 times stronger.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Savage Hulk supported a 150 billions ton mountain and WBH is arguably 100 times stronger.

Almost all of the weight of that Secret Wars mountain was supported by the ground, not by Hulk himself, as clearly stated in the comic. And even then Hulk was rapidly reaching his limits.

Mangog, on the other hand, never displayed any strain.

Originally posted by Magnon
Almost all of the weight of that Secret Wars mountain was supported by the ground, not by Hulk himself, as clearly stated in the comic. And even then Hulk was rapidly reaching his limits.

Mangog, on the other hand, never displayed any strain.

Mangog had to deal with just some millions tons, Hulk especially WBH could replicate this Mangog nonfeat with a smile.

Originally posted by Stoic
His more recent confrontation with Thor, and the Hulk's ability to withstand the might of being capable of hitting with the force of over 100 Herc's of power may give some people the idea that WB Hulk has every right to be in this situation. He was also at a far lower level when he took the hit than when he was in the Dark Dimension. Mangog is certainly troublesome for Odin, but he isn't Odin, and he does not have Odin's abilities. making it seem like we are placing WB Hulk up against Odin is an incorrect way of looking at this.
um,u do realize that the 'herc' wasnt talking about hercules himself right?,it was a measure of the wishing power they had,the more hercs,the more powerful your wish...it wasnt reffering to the power of hercules.
Odin's pgtsical and energy powers far eclipse wbh,that is where i am coming from,its like taking zod and putting him up against luke cage

Originally posted by Genii96
um,u do realize that the 'herc' wasnt talking about hercules himself right?,it was a measure of the wishing power they had,the more hercs,the more powerful your wish...it wasnt reffering to the power of hercules.
Odin's pgtsical and energy powers far eclipse wbh,that is where i am coming from,its like taking zod and putting him up against luke cage

A citation would be much appreciated as proof to your claim about the meaning of the Herc scale. I read differently.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Good point.

Although we should highlight, that it was not a mountain range, or mountains, ... it was the top of a mountain:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/24163900_top.jpg

It just happened to be millionS of tonS.

Regarding a mountain range, Mangog decimated one with a single hammer fist blow. what issue did Mangog decimate a mountain with a single blow?

Master, these points you are making are actually moot. He are talking about astronomical difference in magnitude. Hulk decimated an entire planet with thousands of super beings WITHOUT TOUCHING THEM. This proves he can decimated something a billion times more with a single punch. A mountain is just a speck of dust to a planet and a planet is just a speck of dust to a billion planets.

Originally posted by Genii96
um,u do realize that the 'herc' wasnt talking about hercules himself right?,it was a measure of the wishing power they had,the more hercs,the more powerful your wish...it wasnt reffering to the power of hercules.
Odin's pgtsical and energy powers far eclipse wbh,that is where i am coming from,its like taking zod and putting him up against luke cage

Dude. Don't make things up. The Hercs power was measured by Hercules putting his full power into an attack. Everything. It's the full power of Hercules. Hulk lung chewed on 133 of that power. Hulk one shot koed someone who was 17.5 Hercs and melted someone with the backlash of power that was 17.5 Hercs. If you say what I am saying isn't true and deny this, I will post a scan making you look crazy.

Originally posted by carver9
Dude. Don't make things up. The Hercs power was measured by Hercules putting his full power into an attack. Everything. It's the full power of Hercules. Hulk lung chewed on 133 of that power. Hulk one shot koed someone who was 17.5 Hercs and melted someone with the backlash of power that was 17.5 Hercs. If you say what I am saying isn't true and deny this, I will post a scan making you look crazy.

Hey Bro, can you post the scan pls^^.

Originally posted by carver9
Dude. Don't make things up. The Hercs power was measured by Hercules putting his full power into an attack. Everything. It's the full power of Hercules. Hulk lung chewed on 133 of that power. Hulk one shot koed someone who was 17.5 Hercs and melted someone with the backlash of power that was 17.5 Hercs. If you say what I am saying isn't true and deny this, I will post a scan making you look crazy.

really?,please post it,i am pretty sure i saw the scan of 'hercs' being measured as wishing power, fing fang foom had about 7 hercs,so they couldnt wish him away, post the scan so i can clarify it.

Oh my god. Where do you all be getting your info from. GOD!!!

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/IncredibleHulks627a.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/IncredibleHulks627b.jpg

http://i1125.ph

Also, Fing Fang had 17.34 Herc of power.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901492/Incredible_Hulks_635_010.jpg.html

So one Herc is Hercules strongest blow? How many blows can Herc throw like this?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
So one Herc is Hercules strongest blow? How many blows can Herc throw like this?

How many blows would Herc have to throw in order for us to know his full power? A million? I thought one blow would be enough to tell us how powerful Herc maximum output is. What do you think? A thousand, trillion?

Originally posted by carver9
How many blows would Herc have to throw in order for us to know his full power? A million? I thought one blow would be enough to tell us how powerful Herc maximum output is. What do you think? A thousand, trillion?

I don't know but if Herc uses his most powerful blow he won't be powerless and can repeat it most likely.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I don't know but if Herc uses his most powerful blow he won't be powerless and can repeat it most likely.

Example. If Herc used his most powerful blow against Tyrant and Tyrant stood in one spot and tanked it. I feel safe at saying that a thousand more wouldn't do jack squat because Tyrant already tanked Herc maximum output in the first blow. One punch is enough to get a Guage on how powerful a character is.

Originally posted by carver9
Example. If Herc used his most powerful blow against Tyrant and Tyrant stood in one spot and tanked it. I feel safe at saying that a thousand more wouldn't do jack squat because Tyrant already tanked Herc maximum output in the first blow. One punch is enough to get a Guage on how powerful a character is.

Another example. If Thor stood there and tanked Hercules most powerful blow, it feels safe to say that after another thousand he would be bloody paste^^.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Another example. If Thor stood there and tanked Hercules most powerful blow, it feels safe to say that after another thousand he would be bloody paste^^.

Thats a terrible example since we know Thor will not tank Hercules maximum power output.

If Thor TANKED a hit that Hercules put all of his power into, he will most Def tank the rest since that first blow was a blow that Hercules put everything into. It's Herc maximum power. That would be a huge ft for Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats a terrible example since we know Thor will not tank Hercules maximum power output.

If Thor TANKED a hit that Hercules put all of his power into, he will most Def tank the rest since that first blow was a blow that Hercules put everything into. It's Herc maximum power. That would be a huge ft for Thor.

This is not the maximum power Herc has in total but the max power he can pack in a punch and it is valid to say that Thor can at least tank one or two of those. So this example is even better than the one with Tyrant .

Take real life. A Boxer can tank one or ten hits from some opponents, but after 20 or 30 he might go down.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
This is not the maximum power Herc has in total but the max power he can pack in a punch and it is valid to say that Thor can at least tank one or two of those. So this example is even better than the one with Tyrant .

Take real life. A Boxer can tank one or ten hits from some opponents, but after 20 or 30 he might go down.

So a boxer can tank the maximum output of another boxer? So if Mike Tyson punched Mohammed in the face with all of his strength, MO would stand there like nothing happened?

Think about it for a sec. I know you're trying to find flaws but take a seat, meditate on this a bit, then come back and Holla at me. If I hit you with all of my might and you stand there with a smile on your face like nothing happened, are you telling me my next 10 blows will have an effect even though my first blow was my most powerful?

Originally posted by carver9
So a boxer can tank the maximum output of another boxer? So if Mike Tyson punched Mohammed in the face with all of his strength, MO would stand there like nothing happened?

Think about it for a sec. I know you're trying to find flaws but take a seat, meditate on this a bit, then come back and Holla at me. If I hit you with all of my might and you stand there with a smile on your face like nothing happened, are you telling me my next 10 blows will have an effect even though my first blow was my most powerful?

This is where you fail to understand what was said to be honest. It's not the maximum output of Hercules but only the hardest hit he can dish out, his maximum output is far far greater as each hit does damage that stacks, like in a box fight. So my friend, follow your own advice^^. You first hit might hurt and I would smile, you second, third or tenth would leave a bruise and after some other hits you might even break my jaw.

You first hit was you most powerful and the next one is as powerful as the first one because this is as hard as you can hit, you can hit like that maybe 10 times, herc might hit like this 100 times.

Originally posted by carver9
Oh my god. Where do you all be getting your info from. GOD!!!

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/IncredibleHulks627a.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/IncredibleHulks627b.jpg

http://i1125.ph

Read the scan. It's the MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF ENERGY Herc could expend in one blow. Speaks for itself buddy. So again, if I clock you in the face with everything I have and you smile at that blow without a hint of damage, are you telling me that the next blow will have an affect.

It's his maximum power output. Come on man.

Originally posted by carver9
So a boxer can tank the maximum output of another boxer? So if Mike Tyson punched Mohammed in the face with all of his strength, MO would stand there like nothing happened?

Think about it for a sec. I know you're trying to find flaws but take a seat, meditate on this a bit, then come back and Holla at me. If I hit you with all of my might and you stand there with a smile on your face like nothing happened, are you telling me my next 10 blows will have an effect even though my first blow was my most powerful? actually you are in error. Pretend that those jabs were from the entire might of a boxer. 20-30 of them will still put them down.

Originally posted by h1a8
actually you are in error. Pretend that those jabs were from the entire might of a boxer. 20-30 of them will still put them down.

Didn't read. If you post anything after this I'm not reading it. Don't waste your time.

Originally posted by carver9
Read the scan. It's the MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF ENERGY Herc could expend in one blow. Speaks for itself buddy. So again, if I clock you in the face with everything I have and you smile at that blow without a hint of damage, are you telling me that the next blow will have an affect.

You read it wrong buddy. Max energy in one blow = most powerful hit herc can muster, this doesn't mean he can't repeat this blow after it.

There is a device, I don't know the english name, but you can test the maximum power of your punch, you can find them in some boxing clubs. You can hit it as hard as possible to see how much kg of force you pack in one punch. You can repeat it and will see that you are sometimes slightly above your previous mark or below.

Maybe someone with more time and patience can explain it better than me ^^.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
You read it wrong buddy. Max energy in one blow = most powerful hit herc can muster, this doesn't mean he can't repeat this blow after it.

There is a device, I don't know the english name, but you can test the maximum power of your punch, you can find them in some boxing clubs. You can hit it as hard as possible to see how much kg of force you pack in one punch. You can repeat it and will see that you are sometimes slightly above your previous mark or below.

Maybe someone with more time and patience can explain it better than me ^^.

Who said he couldn't repeat it? It's still his maximum power output. It's his maximum. Repeating it doesn't change anything. Maybe if I show you a scan of Superman tanking a hit it would help you.

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't read. If you post anything after this I'm not reading it. Don't waste your time. lol it doesn't matter. The others can watch as I dissect your arguments without you defending yourself. Either way, you are wrong.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
So one Herc is Hercules strongest blow? How many blows can Herc throw like this?

Irrelevant, carver is right.

Ignore that it is one Herc. Think of it as a Joule, or whatever real world alternative you want.

If one Joule is the max energy output of something, you don't care how many times that person can outout it - becaus it has been standardised, a Joule is a Joule.

A Herc is a Herc, not 'the amount of energy a tired Herc can output, or a fully fed Herc, or a drunken Herc'. It is always the same amount. 17 Hercs is the same as the first Herc punch, multiplied by 17.

If a kid taps me on the shin, a thousand taps isn't going to break my leg.

Addendum:
What matters is the rate at which those punches land. Hence why Flash can deal so much damage (also, imp and all that). He stacks his punches so quickly, 1000arrive at the same time as 1normal punch.

And with the Herc measurements, we assume they all occur at exactly the same time...so 17 punches at maximum output from Hercules land at the same time, for 17Hercs.

Imagine instead of Herc, they used horsepower.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant, carver is right.

Ignore that it is one Herc. Think of it as a Joule, or whatever real world alternative you want.

If one Joule is the max energy output of something, you don't care how many times that person can outout it - becaus it has been standardised, a Joule is a Joule.

A Herc is a Herc, not 'the amount of energy a tired Herc can output, or a fully fed Herc, or a drunken Herc'. It is always the same amount. 17 Hercs is the same as the first Herc punch, multiplied by 17.

If a kid taps me on the shin, a thousand taps isn't going to break my leg.



I'm shocked.

Carver, when you have good points, I give them. Remember your BZ? I found in your favour.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, when you have good points, I give them. Remember your BZ? I found in your favour.

Uuummmm, no you did not.

True. Must've made a shit point....

Edit: Oh carver!!!!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=603649&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant, carver is right.

Ignore that it is one Herc. Think of it as a Joule, or whatever real world alternative you want.

If one Joule is the max energy output of something, you don't care how many times that person can outout it - becaus it has been standardised, a Joule is a Joule.

A Herc is a Herc, not 'the amount of energy a tired Herc can output, or a fully fed Herc, or a drunken Herc'. It is always the same amount. 17 Hercs is the same as the first Herc punch, multiplied by 17.

If a kid taps me on the shin, a thousand taps isn't going to break my leg. the problem is that there are different levels of no selling. For example, someone can punch me in the chest where I feel a slight pain but I don't budge on the hit or show any discomfort from the blow. However, Many of these will put me down. But let's say a fly is bumping into me. I can withstand millions of those without any pain. I've seen people get hit with a jab (they braced) with no effect. Yet about 20 more of them put them down. So there are different levels.

Tbh all of this is irrelevant since Hulk tanked an attack that was far beyond billions of Hercs. So I don't see Mangog even phasing Hulk at all.

Mangog wins.

Originally posted by h1a8
the problem is that there are different levels of no selling. For example, someone can punch me in the chest where I feel a slight pain but I don't budge on the hit or show any discomfort from the blow. However, Many of these will put me down. But let's say a fly is bumping into me. I can withstand millions of those without any pain. I've seen people get hit with a jab (they braced) with no effect. Yet about 20 more of them put them down. So there are different levels.

Tbh all of this is irrelevant since Hulk tanked an attack that was far beyond billions of Hercs. So I don't see Mangog even phasing Hulk at all.


When the Hulk survived being hit in the intestines by Hope, he was not on the level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. This in and of itself was an awesome feat. Mangog on the other hand was fried by a blast to his intestines by Thor's hammer. I'm not sure if the blast was greater than the number of Herc's that Hope registered in at, but it shows us something in the least. I certainly do not believe that Mangog was ever shown to be as physically dominant as World breaker Hulk. He had better bring something more to the fight than his fists, and it had better work, or this version of the Hulk seems likely to beat the tar out of him.

This is boiling down to the implied power of Mangog, vs the full potential of World Breaker Hulk, which seems to be above Mangog's pay-grade. At least in terms of visual feats.

Originally posted by carver9
It's his maximum power output. Come on man.



Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant, carver is right.

Ignore that it is one Herc. Think of it as a Joule, or whatever real world alternative you want.

If one Joule is the max energy output of something, you don't care how many times that person can outout it - becaus it has been standardised, a Joule is a Joule.

A Herc is a Herc, not 'the amount of energy a tired Herc can output, or a fully fed Herc, or a drunken Herc'. It is always the same amount. 17 Hercs is the same as the first Herc punch, multiplied by 17.

If a kid taps me on the shin, a thousand taps isn't going to break my leg.

How is this somehow confused with anything else?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant, carver is right.

Ignore that it is one Herc. Think of it as a Joule, or whatever real world alternative you want.

If one Joule is the max energy output of something, you don't care how many times that person can outout it - becaus it has been standardised, a Joule is a Joule.

A Herc is a Herc, not 'the amount of energy a tired Herc can output, or a fully fed Herc, or a drunken Herc'. It is always the same amount. 17 Hercs is the same as the first Herc punch, multiplied by 17.

If a kid taps me on the shin, a thousand taps isn't going to break my leg.

It is not irrelevant, I guess you just don't understand what this is about.
The argument at hand is, if someone has an 17 Herc output he is 17 times stronger than Herc, which is the concusion one draws when taking the "maximum power output" at face value, which is simply not true. He hits just 17 times harder than Hercules in one blow, nothing more nothing less. He is not 17 times stronger. A lightweight Boxer can hit harder than a weightlifter for example.

This is not a kid, it's a fighter. Take a heavyweight boxer against a lightweight. He might no sell the first 5 hits, but after a while he will feel it and go down.

Anyway, how many Hercs would a doublepunch (both hands) from Herc have or how many Hercs would his dropkick have? Maybe this helps you understand my point better.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It is not irrelevant, I guess you just don't understand what this is about.
The argument at hand is, if someone has an 17 Herc output he is 17 times stronger than Herc, which is the concusion one draws when taking the "maximum power output" at face value, which is simply not true. He hits just 17 times harder than Hercules in one blow, nothing more nothing less. He is not 17 times stronger. A lightweight Boxer can hit harder than a weightlifter for example.

This is not a kid, it's a fighter. Take a heavyweight boxer against a lightweight. He might no sell the first 5 hits, but after a while he will feel it and go down.

Anyway, how many Hercs would a doublepunch (both hands) from Herc have or how many Hercs would his dropkick have? Maybe this helps you understand my point better.

If I poured my maximum power into one punch and you're 100 times that power, what does that tell you? It's a simple process. Why say someone is 17 Hercs when their power level is the same as 1 Herc?

Originally posted by carver9
If I poured my maximum power into one punch and you're 100 times that power, what does that tell you? It's a simple process. Why say someone is 17 Hercs when their power level is the same as 1 Herc?


The entity known as Hope registered in at 133.45 Herc's, and it hit the Hulk in the intestines. At that point in time the Hulk wasn't even close to the level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. That was a crazy feat.

Originally posted by Stoic
The entity known as Hope registered in at 133.45 Herc's, and it hit the Hulk in the intestines. At that point in time the Hulk wasn't even close to the level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. That was a crazy feat.

Yeah, it was an average WWH. He inhaled all of that power. Crazy showing. He was also WWH when he one shit koed Fing Fang with a thunder clap who possessed 17.34. Pak wrote a crazy powerful Hulk.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It is not irrelevant, I guess you just don't understand what this is about.
The argument at hand is, if someone has an 17 Herc output he is 17 times stronger than Herc, which is the concusion one draws when taking the "maximum power output" at face value, which is simply not true. He hits just 17 times harder than Hercules in one blow, nothing more nothing less. He is not 17 times stronger. A lightweight Boxer can hit harder than a weightlifter for example.

This is not a kid, it's a fighter. Take a heavyweight boxer against a lightweight. He might no sell the first 5 hits, but after a while he will feel it and go down.

Anyway, how many Hercs would a doublepunch (both hands) from Herc have or how many Hercs would his dropkick have? Maybe this helps you understand my point better.

Your argument is like arguing with someone when they say their car has 150 horsepower.

'Is that horse running? Walking? Is it a tired horse? How big is this horse? Is it fully fed? What if the horse is on two legs?' Etc etc. No. You don't get hung up on the horse or its characteristics.

One would imagine Herc, with all his fighting experience, would know how to best utilise his strength in a punch. Not as a weightlifter, but as a boxer (which Pankration has a lot of). So your analogy is defunct - as Herc is a fighter who knows how to best express his power in a punch.