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SSG Goku (Dragon Ball Super)

vs

SSGSS Goku (Return of F)

While there are currently no indicators that BSSJG is powered by 'Godly ki' or w/e, RoF heavily implied that it is still a more perfected(and subsequently, more powerful) version of SSJG.

Additionally, DBS ep. 13 is titled: "Goku, Go Surpass Super Saiyan God!!" This also helps solidify the notion that BSSJG>SSJG.

What do you mean by BSSJG? Blue Haired SSG right?

Yes.

Ok cool, just making sure.

How are their no indicators that BSSG is not powered by godly ki?

Black Haired Goku has the godly Ki in him now correct? So wouldn't BSSG?

SSJG>SSJBG, as stated by Toriyama.

However, SSJBG Goku is still > SSJG Goku thanks to his training with Whis.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
SSJG>SSJBG, as stated by Toriyama.

However, SSJBG Goku is still > SSJG Goku thanks to his training with Whis.

How can SSJG>BSSG?

This is what I thought as well ^

Originally posted by Galan007
While there are currently no indicators that BSSJG is powered by 'Godly ki' or w/e, RoF heavily implied that it is still a more perfected(and subsequently, more powerful) version of SSJG.

Additionally, DBS ep. 13 is titled: "Goku, Go Surpass Super Saiyan God!!" This also helps solidify the notion that BSSJG>SSJG. 2 more episodes and it shifts right into the set up for Frieza?

I understand it could still be a ways away but that seems like a quick turnaround especially when it's unlikely the Beerus fight ends in that time... unless he transforms against Beerus.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How can SSJG>BSSG?

SSJBG is a SSJ transformation that draws out the leftover SSJG power that Goku absorbed into himself.

Yea one is a mortal using God power and the other is actually a God

Not sure if this is true though. Just how I see it.

It does seem to me that SSG is stronger and more powerful, as well as invulnerable and can self heal.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
SSJG>SSJBG, as stated by Toriyama.

He never said anything of the sort, and in fact what little he has said indicates the exact opposite. Going by just SSJ logic, SSJG is the base, while SSJGSS is the multiplier of it, counting the Saiyan beyond God form.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
SSJG>SSJBG, as stated by Toriyama. This was never stated. You are taking Toriyama's statement about the color he ultimately decided to use for SSJG grossly out of context. srsly

To be honest I kinda hope SSG is the final form/ultimate saiyan potential. Would be cool he gave us this one glimpse of it and not again until the end or something.

As mentioned above: we know that SSJG is not going to be the peak level for Saiyans in DBS, as evident by the title of episode 13:
"Goku, Go Surpass Super Saiyan God!!"

Wow I am an idiot. (walks away in shame)

This must be the introduction to SSGSS. Who the hell knows though.

Logically speaking, SSGSS is really all that title could be in reference to.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Wow I am an idiot. (walks away in shame)


I still love you though

toriyama said ssg is stronger than ssgss

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I still love you though nothing wrong with bro love drunk

I am honestly having trouble to understand while there's so much doubt about which transformation is stronger between SSG and SSGSS...
Put it this way:

- as a transformation in itself, SSG provides far greater boost than SSGSS and every other Ssj transformation we have seen in DBZ;

- as far as actual Goku's power is concerned, SSGSS Goku is stronger simply because Son absorbed and retained most of the SSG realm of power, then, starting from that specific level, he trained with Whis and became even stronger. Now, after absorbing the SSG realm, whenever he turns Ssj is hair is blue, instead of the previous gold.

It reall is just that simple.
SSG also is just the starting point in power for the new series: AT in his interview already confirmed the obvious, i.e. that Goku is going to become a lot stronger during the course of the new series itself.

SSG cannot run out of energy as it seems nor can he die. He just says "nah I'm Good."

Either way they are booth cool, I'm just here to discuss them. I just would like to know which is stronger. As of now if BSSG is stronger, he can still be hurt and picked hole in, as can SSG but SSG can heal and recover instantly.

SSG apparently can survive in space as well.

I want SS2 in Blue God form because of how cool Goku looks with it. But I realize that not only opens up the door for ss3 and gets ridiculous but ss3 existing would make ss2 pointless and we'd be back to square one.

So hopefully they just stick to the first form but I wouldn't mind SS2 is all I'm saying.

****ing Goku only gets 2 fights with it in the anime and one in the manga when his looks the best.

I'm down with that as well.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
SSG cannot run out of energy as it seems nor can he die. He just says "nah I'm Good."

Either way they are booth cool, I'm just here to discuss them. I just would like to know which is stronger. As of now if BSSG is stronger, he can still be hurt and picked hole in, as can SSG but SSG can heal and recover instantly.

SSG apparently can survive in space as well.

The androids can't run out of energy as well while Boo's regeneration is even way more haxed, yet Golden Freeza would effortlessly atomize them all. See where I'm getting with this...

SSG in BoG wasn't shown to be possibly capable to heal, DBS completely redesigned the fight, so to fully judge SSGSS on the same basis we have to wait for DBS.

For now, I can only compare BoG SSG to FnF SSGSS, and SSGSS Goku is stronger, albeit not by a big amount at all (stated fact).
And the same will happen in DBS as well.

Originally posted by yungz22
toriyama said ssg is stronger than ssgss

No he hasn't. If anything, he'd said that Goku and Vegeta's base forms by resurrection F were stronger than Goku's SSJG circa BoG.

Yes but his God Mode in DBS is unlike anything we have ever seen and would trounce his base form in return of f.

SSGSS sure does not seem anywhere near SSG as of now.

If Blue form is above Goku's first red form then it's going be awkward considering Beerus really doesn't seem to be dialing down to 70 percent. But we'll see

Yea seriously. If that is only 60/70% of Beerus's full power...he is wayyyyy to strong. Nevermind that there are other God that are superior to even him in different universes.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Yea seriously. If that is only 60/70% of Beerus's full power...he is wayyyyy to strong. Nevermind that there are other God that are superior to even him in different universes.



You can tell it isn't his full power though. Goku is growing in power throughout their fight and Beerus is either matching or exceeding him.

Red has better feats and looked better, Blueper Saiyan is only powerful by assumption of Frieza's power.

Originally posted by carver9


You can tell it isn't his full power though. Goku is growing in power throughout their fight and Beerus is either matching or exceeding him.

And Goku keeps getting stronger then Beerus. We have not even seen the top end as they are both over 100%

just imagine how powerful whis is...crazy to think about

I hope we get more backstory on him!

yea seriously. We know nothing about either of them. Just that they are hella old.

Originally posted by bbrem123
just imagine how powerful whis is...crazy to think about

Well Beerus claimed to be the most powerful in the universe a few episodes back. Who knows if Whis is the strongest anymore.

They mention in the manga that Whis is his master. So it seems that he is still superior to Beerus

Is it a typo in the manga or is Beerus the god of destruction of the sixth universe. While the main DBverse is the seventh?

Originally posted by bbrem123
They mention in the manga that Whis is his master. So it seems that he is still superior to Beerus

Ah, haven't been following he manga at all. But the apprentice can surpass the master.

I doubt they will change that though.

Nah, I really doubt DBS will make Beerus superior to Whis. Comments made to that effect so far are just Beerus boasting, imo.

Beerus just thinks of Whis as an underling until he apparently gets into a clear state of mind while thinking of top beings. He even threatens to destroy Whis in the movie when he wakes up

As of now SSG stomps BSSGSS until recton is made.

facepalm

Christ almighty.

Originally posted by ares834
Well Beerus claimed to be the most powerful in the universe a few episodes back. Who knows if Whis is the strongest anymore.

Whis is still stronger, just for starters he can move and fight without thinking about it.

Originally posted by Galan007
facepalm

Christ almighty.

Where are you on this now with gokus latest showings beyond 100% vs BSSG?

And how do you see this unfolding for a upcoming BSSG in DBS?

I just think it's WAY to early to say that SSJG>BSSJG, when the latter hasn't even appeared in DBS.

As of right now, I still believe what RoF implied: that BSSJG is a more perfected version of SSJG.

If we go by that then Freeza would be more powerful then gokus latest showings because he dealt with BSSG.

No way freeza is this strong as gokus latest showings. Its simply not possible. Goku was matching beerus beyond 100%.

We have NO idea how much of his true power Beerus has used up to this point.

Also, a BIG lol @ the notion that ANYTHING is 'impossible' where DBS is concerned. g007_teehee

Originally posted by Galan007
I just think it's WAY to early to say that SSJG>BSSJG, when the latter hasn't even appeared in DBS.

As of right now, I still believe what RoF implied: that BSSJG is a more perfected version of SSJG.
Originally posted by Galan007
We have NO idea how much of his true power Beerus has used up to this point.

Also, a BIG lol @ the notion that ANYTHING is 'impossible' where DBS is concerned. g007_teehee

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