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Xi Jingping and Barack Obama have agreed to "take new steps to address cybercrime." While we're not at the point where anything concrete has been laid down, this is a positive step as China is finally willing to recognize that there is trade espionage going on. What surprises me is that the agreement would not cover more traditional national security-related cyber espionage, which you'd think the Chinese would be more willing to talk about as they have less plausible deniability than with espionage where the Chinese act on behalf of Chinese tech firms when stealing from American companies.

Let's hope the Chinese are willing to engage frankly on this matter.

Obama was pretty direct regarding what would happen if China didn't change its ways.

this seems like good news but im sure by the end of this page we'll find out that this is once again proof that obama has begun his coup to make himself forever-emperor of earth and enslave white people.

What would sanctions do to decrease these crimes? Even if sanctions were slapped on China, how would that stop these things from happening? Many hackers are individuals that work outside of their nations policies, and for their own gain if I'm not mistaken. The cloud may be one of the only things that can truly be said to be perfectly flawed. There are also many levels of cyber espionage. People that live in the US itself may be physically involved by means of social engineering in order to leak sensitive information. Obama can say whatever he wants to, and slap whatever sanctions on China that he wants to, but this problem will not get any better... It may just make matters worse.

Originally posted by Stoic
What would sanctions do to decrease these crimes? Even if sanctions were slapped on China, how would that stop these things from happening? Many hackers are individuals that work outside of their nations policies, and for their own gain if I'm not mistaken. The cloud may be one of the only things that can truly be said to be perfectly flawed. There are also many levels of cyber espionage. People that live in the US itself may be physically involved by means of social engineering in order to leak sensitive information. Obama can say whatever he wants to, and slap whatever sanctions on China that he wants to, but this problem will not get any better... It may just make matters worse.


If it's a case of rogue individuals and the Chinese government/people start suffering due to sanctions, they'll crack down on hackers on their own soil. Will this stop 100% of them? No. But fewer is better.

Originally posted by Robtard
If it's a case of rogue individuals and the Chinese government/people start suffering due to sanctions, they'll crack down on hackers on their own soil. Will this stop 100% of them? No. But fewer is better.


There are ways to use remote nodes to do the work for you, while covering your ass though. They will laugh at the attempt and claim innocence.

You're right, better to just not try at all, since they all can't be stopped. My error.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're right, better to just not try at all, since they all can't be stopped. My error.


That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that the solution to the problem is wrong. We need to come up with better encryption and a means of truly tracking hackers by using the same methods that they use to logically get their hands on sensitive information. Quantum encryption alone, is not the way to go. We have to somehow come up with a means of attaching a token to every signal being sent. Then there is the real possibility of social engineering being responsible for many of the root causes to these data breaches. Sanctions alone will not work. The US needs to work on its physical and logical infrastructure, and I suggest that we begin with dismantling antiquated physical structures that are vulnerable to physical attack, and work forward from there.

Obama invites the Hacker himself into the White House. Hope the secret service took BO blackberry. Cause we all know he's got one, that he refused to give up.

On a serious note Obama won't so shit if they hack us. Just like he didn't do shit against Putin propping up Assad, and didn't do anything against Russians advances in Ukraine.

He's handing off the problems to the next president who will just have the Obama blame card ready and then 8 more years or blaming Obama and Bush for the worlds problems.

Quit electing idiots maybe?

He should stick to what he knows best, Punishing Germans.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're right, better to just not try at all, since they all can't be stopped. My error.

You'd make a good Borg victim.

Originally posted by Surtur
You'd make a good Borg victim.

He has a good bend over mentality, I agree.

Originally posted by Surtur
You'd make a good Borg victim.
Anyone would, there's literally nothing anyone on our planet could do to stop them if they were real and invaded.

I don't know man, I don't think Sinbad would make a good Borg victim. Just picture Sinbad as a Borg.

On a more serious note, we really have to come up with a means of using the power of encryption to aggressively counter hack attempts. Instead of using firewall technology to deflect, it should be used to also attack.

Originally posted by Surtur
You'd make a good Borg victim. Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He has a good bend over mentality, I agree.

I feel like maybe you both missed something in my post.

Well actually I was more just joking I did get what you were trying to say..I just like the Borg :/

Originally posted by Surtur
Well actually I was more just joking I did get what you were trying to say..I just like the Borg :/

I actually thought that you were making fun of me as well. I studied IT security and scored pretty high on my exams. My opinion on this particular subject came before doing a search. This is what was stated, and my opinion runs in line with the person writing this paper.
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"In the past twenty years, the quantum properties of matter and light have been applied to the field of information security. Research ha
s advanced to the point that actual devices using quantum properties are transmitting information over considerable distances. At this time, transmission speeds and hardware expense have generally limited the use of quantum devices to distribute keys rather than entire messages. There is controversy about how secure quantum messages are. It is possible to prove that the probability of message interception by an adversary is arbitrarily small, under ideal conditions. People and machines, however, can never be perfect, so there are many approaches to defeating quantum encryption. Some computer security experts have wondered why making the strongest link in a system even stronger will improve security overall. Since public key cryptography is so hard to decipher now, why spend so much time and money on an even more secure quantum encryption scheme? If deciphering is nearly impossible, why not use other techniques, such as social engineering, to eavesdrop?".

https://www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/vpns/quantum-encryption-means-perfect-security-986

I tried to rebuild the paragraph. Lost patience though. LOL

i'm curious what the sanctions would entail

i was under the impression that the united states and china are more or less mutually dependent on one another for their respective economies not to tank

i understand sanctions on iran or russia... the US can surely afford to try to cripple these economies without suffering too much collateral

but i was under the impression that if we were to cease trade with china, or even if their economy took a serious hit, then ours would as well

as far as i know, china is more dependent on the US than vice versa... but they are still our number one trading partner and source of cheap manufacturing.

this is an open question to anyone who knows about this sort of thing... cause my knowledge is somewhat limited: what kind of sanctions can obama use on china that wouldn't adversely affect our own economy?

note that i understand the intent is not to use sanctions but to goad china into cooperating by threatening them. but i'm asking about what could be done if they decided not to.

Obama won't sanction shit. All talk.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Anyone would, there's literally nothing anyone on our planet could do to stop them if they were real and invaded. I will rape them all into submission.

I wanna see Obama try and sanction China, he can't even sanction Iran or Russia and we owe them nothing.

What the hell are you talking about? American sanctions on Iran brought them to the negotiating table.

Lol, the negotiating table, you mean the one where they got everything they wanted and will have a nuke in 10.2 years?

A nuke in 10.2 years sounds vastly preferable for US interests than a nuke in 6 months.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
A nuke in 10.2 years sounds vastly preferable for US interests than a nuke in 6 months.

How about no nukes? Ever thought about that?

Unless you can provide a viable strategy to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons indefinitely, that's a useless goal to try to attain.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Unless you can provide a viable strategy to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons indefinitely, that's a useless goal to try to attain.

Keep sanctions and bomb any nuclear sites..

This isn't rocket science.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Unless you can provide a viable strategy to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons indefinitely, that's a useless goal to try to attain. Wolverine. Though that works for before and after nukes.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Keep sanctions and bomb any nuclear sites..

This isn't rocket science. Sanctions won't do anything to prevent them from getting nukes; N. Korea has been under extreme sanctions for years and still managed to build their own nuclear weapons. Bombing their nuclear sites would have disastrous environmental repercussions not just for Iran but for neighboring countries as well, so unless you're content to basically genocide the entire region that isn't realistic either.

The key word was "viable". Your suggestions sound like some shit out of a video game.

Why are we kidding ourselves? This isn't the 90's. These attacks or most of them are likely being done right under the noses of Security Guards too sleepy to remain awake on the job. Most of the hacks are done by people that actually work in the places that are being compromised. The world is not filled to the brim with people capable of hacking quantum encrypted networks... It just isn't.

Unless the people working for our government are illegally downloading music, and watching porn on the job (something monitored and controlled by Network Admins), it would be virtually improbable to hack something as robust as these servers. We've already come to the realization that sanctions will not work, and yet instead of tackling the problem proactively, we do what amounts to sending a child to bed without supper. Somebody better get up off of their asses soon.

This country is in very poor shape in terms of infrastructure from a physical and logical perspective (our power grid is so antiquated that it is horrifying). Now if the KMC think tank can come up with this, can you imagine the depths that this may really go to?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Keep sanctions and bomb any nuclear sites..

This isn't rocket science.

Ha, that's clever. Cause it kind of is about rocket science...

Originally posted by Mindset
I will rape them all into submission.

One might even say you'd assimil-rape them.