Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The, "on tier with Katarn," part says it all, really. Despite Kyp's vastly superior connection to the force compared to someone like Katarn, Luke, at least as far as we have to go off of, believes both Katarn and Kyp would perform similarly against Gaalan in a lightsaber battle. Speaking of which....
Fair enough, for me.
Kyle Katarn is already someone I see as Malgus superior as a duelist, though, so it's doesn't even put a chink in my armor. His technical skills are far more refined and documented (being a master of, and blending over 7 sword fighting style into his own unique form of combat) and is ambidextrous as a duelist . His actually combative feats? Before becoming a Jedi and before he had any worthwhile connection to the Force, Kyle stalemated Boba Fett in combat as a merc and before any. Remember; Boba has killed many Jedi during his time - wrecked Rahm Kota, killed a Clone of Starkiller and held his own with Darth Vader. Later, Kyle was able to best Katarn was able to defeat one of the greatest Imperial Stormtroopers in H2H Ram Mohc. Ram was heavily decorated and specialized in slaying deadly mano-o-manodroids. Yet, Kyle still defeated him in strict H2H combat, while he donned the most powerful Dark Trooper Exosuit created. All of this is before he picked up a lightsaber, and with only intrinsic instinct, a few specialty moves from master Qu Rahn.and the fencing training he received as a Stormtrooper - afterwards. He defeated 6 powerful and skilled Dark Jedi, with each more powerful than the last (per New Essential Guide to the Characters and The Dark Force Saga, Part 1). Years later, he would go on to fight his way through scores of Sith Abominations on a potent darkside nexus.
Despite the above - these aren't even his best showings of skill. After cutting himself off from the Force and latter rekindling, and increasing his strength in the Force in the process, Katarn fight his way through a horde of Stormtroopers/Dark Jedi/Reborn/Shadowtroopers/AT-ST en-rout to battling - and defeating - an amped up foe who Luke Skywalker dueled and considered a legit threat, in Desann. Despite all this, the writers of the game, went on to say one of the reason they stopped making the Jedi Knight games is before Kyle was becoming powerful with each game - hinting that Kyle skill and power increased further after this. Saying all that - how can Malgus possibly be above Durron as a duelist when Kyp is arguably even with a monster like Kyle Katarn? A monster in Kyle Katarn, that is superior to Darth Malgus himself?
But, how about we focus on Kyp Durron himself? With Kyp was able to master the art of lightsaber combat in under a month per what was stated in the Jedi Academy Sourcebook. Someone who has a reputation as being one of the most skilled lightsaber duelist in the NJO. We're talking about someone who has stomped Yuuzhan Vong Warriors on multiple occasions and sparred on par with Luke Skywalker, when he casually brushed a skilled Jedi like Cilghal to the side in the same spar (a highly skiled duelist and combatant in her own right). We're talking about someone who was stalemated a highly skilled swordsman in Jaina Solo, and even suggested he would win if the duel finished, and the novel kinda hint to that conclusion itself.
Tl;dr - no, Malgus isn't more skilled than Durron - and his superior connection to the Force would allow him to just edge out Malgus in a lightsaber duel.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yes, Kyp has quite the astounding raw connection to the force
Yep. And it's a notch above Malguss own, to boot.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
But aside from some pretty baller feats, he's never really been shown to apply this in 1 vs. 1 combat, and certainly not on a consitent basis.
It's like Starkiller Syndrome, except that Starkiller has actually fought and defeated Darth Vader.
Kyp Durron hasn't applied his Force in one-on-one combat, because he hasn't fought many Force sensitives in one on one combat. Most of his foes - are nearly immune to the Force (the Yuuzhan Vong,). He hasn't had many on page/on panel fights as a duelist. Besides his spar with Luke (where he used telekinetic powers multiple times)and his duel with Jaina what was meant to be strictly 'sabers only. All in all this argument is retarded; Kyp Durron is a very smart fighter, he has came up with ways to use the Force in very creative ways and pull off powers he's never used before in combat to get out of tough situations. be it, creating the Shadow Bomb technique, or calling upon the weather itself to one-shot a gigantic Sith leviathan that dwarfed him in size, and killed an entire colony of 1,000 + being who sported various weapons such as blasters and the like, while was also hindered tremendously. To imply that a highly skilled, talented, and smart Force sensitive like Durron wouldn't use his Force power if he ever got into a runt is, well, pretty idiotic. And when Durron does decide to cut-loose, well, Malgus will lose.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Malgus, on the other hand, has blown through the lightsaber defenses of an incredibly powerful jedi, (Aryn,) with lightning, brought the protags to their knees with lightning
Don't really see Malgus Lightning being a problem for Kyp. Durron is someone who has casually dispelled/Absorbed Sith Lightning from Jaina Solo (Jaina Lightning is powerful enough to one-shot Yuuzhan Vong) Granted, Jaina Lightning isn't as powerful as Malgus' own - but the casual ease he reppled her lightning on two occasions leads me to believe he could do the same to Malgus, albeit, with more noticeable difficulty.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
and gone toe-to-toe with the protags, notably choking them out at points.
Kyp killing Malgus via TK is probably out of the question.
Kyp was hurling multiple ton builders at flying TIE Fighters thousands of feet in the air, before gaining a substantial amount of power. He has manipulated multiple Proton Bombs, and re-directed them to their source; he has casually Force shoved Chewbacca, while Force gripping Jaina and spinning her around. Kyp has manipulated several torpedoes and hurled them at incredible speeds via the Shadowbomb technique. He has moved pseudo Black Hole, and wielded entire freighters as telekinetic weapons.
He has casually sent Corran Horn flying with the mere flick of his wrist There is also the fact that was was considerably more powerful than all of the Jedi on the Jedi Praxeum - which included guys who can cast illusion that effect the the likes of Exar Kun and Luke Skywalker, vastly more powerful than someone who can summon powerful winds that can blow Force sensitives thousands of feet away. Yeah, Kyp may not be dominating with the Force but he can certainly push Malgus around with it. What he did to the prtags is good and all - but Kyp feats are simply better. .
Not to mention Durron has other option in the Force only round:
- He has displayed Force destruction sufficient enough to KO 4 guards simultaneously, while leaving Jaina briefly dazed and disoriented.
-Kyp mastery of Force Lightning can play a role here, if he decides to go that rout. He tore through Luke's defenses and caused him great pain. Albeit, Kun joined into the attack, but initially, Kyp incapacitated him solo.
- Alter Environment - could be of use here depending on the battle field. Even then; it's fully within Kyp's capability to summon winds and such to buffet Malgus person.
-Kyp was noted to be a master of Force drain; it could have some usage here if he decides ti employ it. This could also play a role if he decided to go that role.
- Kyp's Force defenses, be it tutaminis or Force Barrier, is sufficient enough to casually dispel Force Lightning and connect multiple Shadow Bombs and a Star-fighter together, so where ever the Star-Fighter moved, they followed suit.
These abilities could serve Durron well in a Force battle, especially since he's more powerful in the Force than Malgus is.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
and in turn I'd argue Malgus's lightning and/or force maelstrom would put the number on Kyp.
Nah. They would be blocked by his Lightsaber, and/or repelled with absorption/Deflection.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
This battle will mostly be a contest of skill.
Yeah, and Kyp's own skill is arguably greater than Malgus' own, KEK. His precognitive abilities and Force connection surely is.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
and Malgus being capable of going head to head against the 2nd Emperor's Wrath and Darth Nox (who's lightsaber skills are supposedly equally impressive to her force powers,) while also dealing with Cipher 9 and the Scree (who's killed a lineup of very impressive foes ranging from a jedi who solo'd 100 mandos, an undefeated jedi battlemaster, and even a DC member.)
You got any proof that is was Nox and Wrath who confronted Malgus? Because as far as I'm aware - it wasn't canonically confirmed. Even then, I'm pretty sure Malgus was utilizing Force attacks in conjunction with dueling them so I don't see it as a feat strictly revolving around dueling, and in the end - he stil lost, KEK. Even then, I don't really see this as being more impressive than Kyp's feats/hype. Kyle Katarn is solidly above Nox or Wrath as a martial combatant.
Tl;dr - I'm going with Kyp on virtua of being more powerful in the Force, and more than comparable as a duelist.Your move.
