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Time-Immemorial
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/iphone/iphone-7-release-launch-date-new-features-images-3530504/

Bardock42
Lol, the rumor mill starts very early.

I'm hoping for a further improved camera especially.

Time-Immemorial
I was wanting a 6s, but seems Ill wait for the 7.

Bardock42
It'll be another year, why wait?

Slay
Originally posted by Bardock42
It'll be another year, why wait?
'Cause not all of us inherit our father's company, Germ.

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by Bardock42
It'll be another year, why wait?

Cause I have a brand new 5s and it works.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Cause I have a brand new 5s and it works. Yeah, well they work fine that's true. But iPhone 6 or 6Ss are a lot better and more fun.

Time-Immemorial
Which one do you have?

Bardock42
I just got the iPhone 6S Plus on Monday. I really like it, the big screen is awesome.

Scribble
Yeah, built-in redundancy is great stuff. Liberation through consumerism! Shiny things!

Slay
This thread proves what a salon socialist Bardock42 really is! Such a dilettante!

Bardock42
Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah, built-in redundancy is great stuff. Liberation through consumerism! Shiny things!

The built-in redundancy claim is silly. iPhones in particularly work longer well than other smartphones. And the physical facts about battery degradation, and the current fact about Moore's law regarding processor technology isn't the same as actively trying to make your products expire.

Scribble
Originally posted by Slay
This thread proves what a salon socialist Bardock42 really is! Such a dilettante! Death to the champagne socialists! Vive le moderates!
Originally posted by Bardock42
The built-in redundancy claim is silly. iPhones in particularly work longer well than other smartphones. And the physical facts about battery degradation, and the current fact about Moore's law regarding processor technology isn't the same as actively trying to make your products expire. They work so much longer than other phones that you replace them as soon as the new one comes out? K.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Scribble
They work so much longer than other phones that you replace them as soon as the new one comes out? K.


I replace them because I enjoy to have the newest product. I sell my older phones for a good price and the future owners get to enjoy them for longer.

Scribble
I'm sure Apple appreciates your humanitarian approach to capitalism.




On a side note, I've had an iPod nano for about five or six years and it's still running strong. So yeah, the battery life on these things are pretty solid.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Scribble
I'm sure Apple appreciates your humanitarian approach to capitalism.




On a side note, I've had an iPod nano for about five or six years and it's still running strong. So yeah, the battery life on these things are pretty solid.

I suppose, I guess they'd prefer if I didn't sell my old devices though.

Yeah, there's not that much improvement in iPod Nanos. Whether you have one from 6 years ago or a brand new one they basically do the same thing.

Time-Immemorial
How much better is the 6s over the 5s?

AsbestosFlaygon
iPhone 7 will be introduced next September. no expression

I've read Apple has a habit of slowing down their older phones every update. You'll have to eventually upgrade your 5S to a 6/6s when iOS 10 comes out.

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Bardock42
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How much better is the 6s over the 5s?
Oh man it is a lot better, much faster in every way. You'll definitely notice the upgrade. At the time I didn't think having a bigger screen would be a big deal, but it's really awesome, I couldn't go back to the smaller screen now. Except for that, the camera is also considerably better, I don't know if you care about that.

Bardock42
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
iPhone 7 will be introduced next September. no expression

I've read Apple has a habit of slowing down their older phones every update. You'll have to eventually upgrade your 5S to a 6/6s when iOS 10 comes out.

Well it's not on purpose, but newer, more complicated versions of OSs can run slower on older hardware (it's not always true, sometimes an update actually improves speed on a device a generation back or so).

And you can of course choose not to upgrade.

Tbh I find the Android alternative much worse, i.e. not giving updates at all, exposing the phones to vast security risks.

Surtur
I feel left out because my cellphone is old. I got it back in 2008 and have had the same phone ever since:

http://www.replaceyourcell.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/4/u470_juke_teal_samsung_4.jpg

It at least has an mp3 player and I have 400 songs.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Surtur
I feel left out because my cellphone is old. I got it back in 2008 and have had the same phone ever since:

http://www.replaceyourcell.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/4/u470_juke_teal_samsung_4.jpg

It at least has an mp3 player and I have 400 songs.

Are you considering an upgrade?

Scribble
I got an upgrade for my Sony Ericson (or whatever) K800i late last year or the year before then or something, major disappointment. Flashy shit for those that can afford it. If you like snapchat and 4G then cool, but if you like a phone to make calls, send texts, play mp3s and maybe takes pics, stick with what you have, man.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Scribble
I got an upgrade for my Sony Ericson (or whatever) K800i late last year or the year before then or something, major disappointment. Flashy shit for those that can afford it. If you like snapchat and 4G then cool, but if you like a phone to make calls, send texts, play mp3s and maybe takes pics, stick with what you have, man.

If you want a phone that takes good pictures you should probably get a more recent one. Admittedly calls and texts are the least interesting aspects of modern phones (really "phones" is a misnomer nowadays, they are mobile computers that happen to make phone calls).

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh man it is a lot better, much faster in every way. You'll definitely notice the upgrade. At the time I didn't think having a bigger screen would be a big deal, but it's really awesome, I couldn't go back to the smaller screen now. Except for that, the camera is also considerably better, I don't know if you care about that.

Maybe I will get a new one, T-Mobile is offering some sick deals.

Surtur
Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you considering an upgrade?

Lol perhaps when the phone finally stops working. I don't really need an upgrade since I just use it for calls and the mp3 player. I don't even use it for texts, if I need to text a persons phone I just message them from Aim.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Maybe I will get a new one, T-Mobile is offering some sick deals.

Cool, you should update us if you get one on how you like it.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol perhaps when the phone finally stops working.

Do you not think you'd like the advantages that modern smartphones have?

Surtur
I don't know, I guess you can't miss what you've never had..though I'm sure I'd like the extra features. If I got offered a new phone for free I'd take it.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know, I guess you can't miss what you've never had..though I'm sure I'd like the extra features. If I got offered a new phone for free I'd take it.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I guess I've always been really into mobile computing, and I definitely would not want to miss a smartphone nowadays, I do so much on it.

Scribble
Originally posted by Bardock42
If you want a phone that takes good pictures you should probably get a more recent one. Admittedly calls and texts are the least interesting aspects of modern phones (really "phones" is a misnomer nowadays, they are mobile computers that happen to make phone calls). See the "maybe"? I did. But then, I wrote it.



But yeah, miniature computer is a better way of addressing them. Ultimately though, they're just toys for the privileged, aren't they?

Bashar Teg
samsung smartphone is best smartphone.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Scribble
See the "maybe"? I did. But then, I wrote it.



But yeah, miniature computer is a better way of addressing them. Ultimately though, they're just toys for the privileged, aren't they?

No, not really at all. They reach further than any other consumer device ever has. They connect people in rural Africa, in India, all over the world to the Internet for the first time.

Scribble

Bardock42

Bardock42
Going away from Africa (although the stark difference between no connectivity at all and now some because of smartphones is stark there) there have been multiple stories about how Syrian refugees have been using smartphones to make their way through Europe and to make sure they survive:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/surprised-that-syrian-refugees-have-smartphones-well-sorry-to-break-this-to-you-but-youre-an-idiot-10489719.html

http://qz.com/500062/the-most-crucial-item-that-migrants-and-refugees-carry-is-a-smartphone/

Bardock42
Then there's the stories about protesters using smartphones and social networks like twitter and firechat to coordinate and work on real change:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/16/tech/mobile/tomorrow-transformed-firechat/

http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2015/01/smartphones-and-social-media-revolution.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/29/arab-spring-captured-on-cameraphones

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Or take the US, where much more police violence is captured on the ubiquitous smartphone cameras than ever before.

http://www.cjr.org/analysis/smartphone_video_changes_coverage.php


I mean, you really couldn't be more wrong about this.

Bashar Teg
good job compiling evidence for your case. i just hope you're not going to try to spin this into an apple exclusive thing.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
good job compiling evidence for your case. i just hope you're not going to try to spin this into an apple exclusive thing.

By no means, most of the benefit in impoverished areas is down to Android phones. They deserve a lot of credit.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by Bardock42
By no means, most of the benefit in impoverished areas is down to Android phones. They deserve a lot of credit.

now i have to clean my shorts.

Scribble

Scribble
One last thing:
Originally posted by Bardock42
I mean, you really couldn't be more wrong about this. I'm just interested to know: what I was wrong about here? I don't think I actually raised any particular dissenting argument at any point, other than maybe my opinion that Surtur didn't really have much reason to upgrade to a smartphone, so I find your choice of words rather bizarre. It's not like I said "Smartphones are shit, nobody in the world should ever use one and they have literally no purpose" or anything. I just find that they are used somewhat frivolously to a lot of people, and that owning and buying them compulsively is literally an end, not a means to some righteous end.

But, you know, gubba nub nub doo rah kah and all that.

Bardock42

Mindset
Bardock sounds so privileged right now.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Mindset
Bardock sounds so privileged right now.

Granted

ArtificialGlory
Any word on a new iPad?

Bardock42
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Any word on a new iPad?

There's no news on an iPad Air 3. Macworld has a similar post about it though: http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/ipad/new-ipad-air-3-release-date-images-features-wish-list-specs-ipad-7-3481268/

I think 3D Touch and perhaps Pencil support are likely improvements.


As for the iPad Pro, it's still slated for November.

This week there has been some news that Apple has let artists at Pixar try it out and they have been positive (now, Pixar has had a close relationship with Apple, ever since Steve Jobs came back to Apple, so you may take it as bias)

https://twitter.com/drwave/status/648593253701283840

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by Bardock42
There's no news on an iPad Air 3. Macworld has a similar post about it though: http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/ipad/new-ipad-air-3-release-date-images-features-wish-list-specs-ipad-7-3481268/

I think 3D Touch and perhaps Pencil support are likely improvements.


As for the iPad Pro, it's still slated for November.

This week there has been some news that Apple has let artists at Pixar try it out and they have been positive (now, Pixar has had a close relationship with Apple, ever since Steve Jobs came back to Apple, so you may take it as bias)

https://twitter.com/drwave/status/648593253701283840

I see. I hope the iPad Air 3 gets at least a 12MP camera.

Bardock42
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I see. I hope the iPad Air 3 gets at least a 12MP camera.

That's interesting. Do you have an iPad and if so do you use the camera a lot?

I think I've only used the camera a handful of times on my iPads, it's good to have, but I don't use it for taking photos really. I sometimes use it to scan a document quickly.

dadudemon
By the way, I got the iPhone 6S Plus, 64GB.


And I enjoy the crap out of it.


It is my favorite mobile phone, by far. Almost went with the Note 5.

But Apple improved the camera enough that I wanted the iPhone this time.


Also, the iOS update before this last one (it was an 8.xx) fixed a major asynchronous issue with iMessage. That was my biggest complaint. Sending a text to someone and them not getting it for 4 hours is simply stupid. But Apple fixed that. Data is data...not sure why those messages were getting hung up but they were. But after the update, they went through to those that had the updated software.



Anyway, love this phone. Playing Bastion on it. I have already taken many new photos.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's interesting. Do you have an iPad and if so do you use the camera a lot?

I think I've only used the camera a handful of times on my iPads, it's good to have, but I don't use it for taking photos really. I sometimes use it to scan a document quickly.

My parents have recently bought an iPad Air 2 and they use the camera quite frequently. A 8MP camera just seems to be awfully mediocre for such an otherwise amazing piece of technology.

Bardock42
Originally posted by dadudemon
By the way, I got the iPhone 6S Plus, 64GB.


And I enjoy the crap out of it.


It is my favorite mobile phone, by far. Almost went with the Note 5.

But Apple improved the camera enough that I wanted the iPhone this time.


Also, the iOS update before this last one (it was an 8.xx) fixed a major asynchronous issue with iMessage. That was my biggest complaint. Sending a text to someone and them not getting it for 4 hours is simply stupid. But Apple fixed that. Data is data...not sure why those messages were getting hung up but they were. But after the update, they went through to those that had the updated software.



Anyway, love this phone. Playing Bastion on it. I have already taken many new photos.

Oh that's awesome, glad you enjoy it. How do you like the new Live Photos?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
My parents have recently bought an iPad Air 2 and they use the camera quite frequently. A 8MP camera just seems to be awfully mediocre for such an otherwise amazing piece of technology.

Hmm, well a better camera would be great, although regarding megapixel size I don't think it's that important at the considerably small size of sensors in mobile devices. The iPad still takes very good photos, probably the best photos on any tablet at least. I think it's likely though that they will push down the 12 Megapixel camera from the iPhone 6S to the next iPads, so you might be in luck.

Scribble

Bardock42

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dadudemon
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh that's awesome, glad you enjoy it. How do you like the new Live Photos?

Very enjoyable, actually. I took a few of them and they turn out looking a bit artistic and I didn't even intend that. I'll post an example (not sure if they can work on the internet).



Also, I'll post some of the pictures I've taken with the phone to show how good the camera is.

Ascendancy
I'll just say that in terms of both making smartphone features available to people with less disposable income and in terms of longevity, Android devices > Apple by far. The number of Custom ROMs that devs come up with to get the latest Android OS iterations on older devices makes the far more serviceable in that department and likely always will.

Experience-wise, it's up to what each person prefers. Both types of devices offer interesting features--and both tend to steal the best of those features from one another when they can. Use what you like, just don't act like one is truly better than the other in all aspects, because neither wins hands-down.

I come to this site for informed debate; if I wanted a fanboi show I'd browse The Verge and Engadget.

Bardock42

Ascendancy
I just mean in general, not specifically in regards to tech. As far as your longevity claims, I'd like to see actual references to iPhones lasting longer than flagship Androids from the same product cycle. I searched and mostly what I came up with relates to activation length in general, but nothing showing comparison of replacement due to hardware failure.

Bardock42
I think we had a pretty good, and informed, debate in here, but of course you could add your informed opinion.

Ascendancy
My informed opinion is that I've seen nothing to indicate that either iPhones or flagship Android devices last any longer than the other hardware-wise. The failure tends to be from devices not being able to handle subsequent software updates anymore, which Android devices can often get around thanks to developers. I really don't think there are any in-depth studies showing how long first-run handsets last on either side. All I could find were activation numbers.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Ascendancy
My informed opinion is that I've seen nothing to indicate that either iPhones or flagship Android devices last any longer than the other hardware-wise. The failure tends to be from devices not being able to handle subsequent software updates anymore, which Android devices can often get around thanks to developers. I really don't think there are any in-depth studies showing how long first-run handsets last on either side. All I could find were activation numbers.

Well, we don't know about hypothetical life of the hardware. But there are real world indicators of how long phones are actually kept in use, and the iPhone beats out Android phones easily there: http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/7/30/android-replacement

Ascendancy
That was the exact same study that I read, and it deals with exactly what I said: activation numbers, not obsolescence due to hardware or software failures. The comments below mention how many factors could play into the numbers seen. In short, there aren't any good studies as to the numbers of people giving up iPhone or Android hardware due to problems with the devices or software itself. We don't see failure rates, we don't see handset breakage. Drawing conclusions as to which lasts longer in either category based simply on that example is very bad science.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Ascendancy
That was the exact same study that I read, and it deals with exactly what I said: activation numbers, not obsolescence due to hardware or software failures. The comments below mention how many factors could play into the numbers seen. In short, there aren't any good studies as to the numbers of people giving up iPhone or Android hardware due to problems with the devices or software itself. We don't see failure rates, we don't see handset breakage. Drawing conclusions as to which lasts longer in either category based simply on that example is very bad science.

That just seems like a cop out to argue about something unknowable. If the question is "Do Android phones potentially last longer than iPhones without a hardware or software failure" then the answer is neither of us know. If the question is "Are iPhones used for longer in the real world" the answer is a definite yes. The latter seems more relevant to people actually buying devices.

The other factor we can look at is resale value of the devices. Where iPhones, again, lose value at a much slower rate than Android phones. So all signs point at iPhones being used longer and staying valuable longer. So you may be hypothetically right that Android phones stay as good or better than iPhones for a long time, but the market definitely isn't behaving as if that was true.

AsbestosFlaygon
iPhones have smoother, more fluid graphical transitions because of the optimization of iOS with iPhone's hardware.

Android phones generally suffer from lag due to fragmentation and because of the different Android OS versions and hardware configs + manufacturer's UI (ie. TouchWiz, Sense UI, etc.)

But it's safe to say that you can run most apps and have the latest Android OS version if you own at least an Android One phone with bare minimum specs (MediaTek MT6582 SoC, with a 4.5-inch, 480x854 resolution IPS display, 1GB of RAM, a Mali-400 GPU, 5 megapixel rear camera, 2 megapixel front camera, FM radio and dual SIM support.)

If you have money to spare (like me, Bardock, and dadude), it would be wise to invest on the latest iPhone for the reasons as stated by Bardock above.

Ascendancy
Neither platform is perfect, and as smooth as both are relatively speaking in terms of performance, there's room for improvement. It's much easier to root an Android and keep the root intact in order to remove bloatware, streamline processes, add features, etc, than it is to keep an iPhone Jailbroken. That's generally a pretty important thing to me.

For out of the box functionality, iPhone or clean Android offer great experiences. App polish is generally better on iOS, flexibility--especially in terms of home screen/widget use--is better on Android.

AsbestosFlaygon
Yeah, the one thing I dislike the most about the iPhone is the lack of customization of the home screens and widgets.

Bardock42
One big deal for me is that Apps and app polish just seem far superior on iOS. Of course that's hard to quantify I just notice in my usage of both platforms (for example when fantastic apps I use aren't even available). Do you guys have the same experience?

Time-Immemorial
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Apple will tap Beats to produce wireless headphones and the iPhone 7 will not have any headphone jack.

Bardock42
I think the time is getting ripe for high quality wireless headphones.

I'm really tempted by the Bragi Dash (despite the price), but will wait to see what Apple/Beats come out with, since I mostly use Apple stuff.

http://www.bragi.com

AsbestosFlaygon
I will have to wait for newer Grado/Sennheiser/Sony wireless headphones before I upgrade my Android One phone for the iPhone 7.

quanchi112
My 4s has lasted for years now. I really do love me some apple.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well it's not on purpose, but newer, more complicated versions of OSs can run slower on older hardware (it's not always true, sometimes an update actually improves speed on a device a generation back or so).

And you can of course choose not to upgrade.

Tbh I find the Android alternative much worse, i.e. not giving updates at all, exposing the phones to vast security risks. Screw android.

OthmanTalip
this will be coming this year in 2017. and two versions may be also we seen iphone 7 pro

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SheriefEmarah
USB Type C port that is something we all are expecting than; highly unlikely of Apple devices to get flash storage.

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