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I say no since Masaki was born from 2 humans..............
Tsunami kept his father genes....which shows nothing about omnipotence
He has no feats.....
He is only powerscale......

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
I say no since Masaki was born from 2 humans..............
Tsunami kept his father genes....which shows nothing about omnipotence

Genes say jack-squat about power at these levels.

Indeed, the ability to make Lighthawk wings unaided is something that can't be genetically replicated, and not even reality warping can create that ability. Heck, even lesser stuff, like Cabbit abilities, aren't copied by cloning. There is way, way more going on than DNA.




He has going back in time and retroactively be part of his own creation, and the creation of three multiverse creators who can each, individually, alter, reset, and shape universes.


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Now, the real answer is 'what do you consider omnipotence?'. Because a lot of times characters are called omnipotent simply for creating and being supreme over one universe, which, obviously, is way way below Kami Tenchi.

Originally posted by Q99
Genes say jack-squat about power at these levels.

Indeed, the ability to make Lighthawk wings unaided is something that can't be genetically replicated, and not even reality warping can create that ability. Heck, even lesser stuff, like Cabbit abilities, aren't copied by cloning. There is way, way more going on than DNA.




He has going back in time and retroactively be part of his own creation, and the creation of three multiverse creators who can each, individually, alter, reset, and shape universes.


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Now, the real answer is 'what do you consider omnipotence?'. Because a lot of times characters are called omnipotent simply for creating and being supreme over one universe, which, obviously, is way way below Kami Tenchi.

From you.......
1. Creating light hawk wings from nothing is impressive?......i can name a bunch of characters who could copy LHWs.....but then again Z already stated they're the chousin "Life force".

2. he is going back in time?......that makes 0 sense since the choushin created everything and he did not.....thats a contradiction+Paradox in itself.

3. Kami tenchi didnt do anything you stated.....He isnt supreme....he isnt Omnipresent,Omniscient or Omnipotent.....

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
From you.......
1. Creating light hawk wings from nothing is impressive?......i can name a bunch of characters who could copy LHWs.....but then again Z already stated they're the chousin "Life force".

Creating lighthawk wings *without* drawing on the goddesses is something only two known non-Choushin beings can do, Z and Tenchi. Everyone else only draws on Tsunami through the Royal Trees (Juraians), or through Washu's gems (Ryoko).

While some stuff may be able to make LHW-ish things, true Lighthawk Wings have some unusual properties that set them apart. Again, even someone capable of just snapping their fingers and re-setting a universe to how it was a day before, recreating destroyed beings and galaxies, and so on, cannot just make someone who can independently make LHWs, even total molecular, space, etc. control would just create an otherwise functionally identical being who lacks that ability.

Or to put it another way, being able to make three or five light hawk wings in itself isn't what's so special about Tenchi or Z, but those wings are a signifier of an anomaly that it took the creation of countless universes to make happen.




He created the Choushin. And yes, paradox. He created the goddesses who created the universe that Tenchi arose in that lead to him becoming Kami Tenchi, whereup he made the Choushin. Kami Tenchi can exist in a paradox.

Note, this was the point of the Choushin creating the universes in the first place, to see if they could make a being greater than themselves.




Kami Tenchi created the Choushin, and is more powerful than them. The Choushin created countless universes and can be considered omnipotent. They are beyond the laws of physics, Are beyond a database that contains all knowledge in the universe, conducted infinite experiments (read: universe creations), are beyond higher dimensional beings, and created 'infinitely-linked universes'. Feat-wise, they also have greater than many beings in other fiction caused so, though the term is very widely used and people apply it to all kinds of things.


And even with all that, their goal was something beyond themselves. The point of said experiments.




Personally, I don't really think the word 'omnipotent' is properly applied to just about any fictional being, but they are higher in feats than, say, Marvel's Beyonders, Marvel's Eternities, or so on.

Originally posted by Q99
He created the Choushin. And yes, paradox. He created the goddesses who created the universe that Tenchi arose in that lead to him becoming Kami Tenchi, whereup he made the Choushin. Kami Tenchi can exist in a paradox.

Note, this was the point of the Choushin creating the universes in the first place, to see if they could make a being greater than themselves.

Uh... I understand the Kami tenchi thing, but if the Chousin created a being more powerful than themselves, then they aren't considerable as truly omnipotent. Which is one of the reasons that omnipotence in itself is a paradox. An omnipotent being can't create a rock too heavy for itself to throw, but that means that it isn't omnipotent. So it isn't truly omnipotent either way.

This would make Kami Tenchi omnipotent, and the Chousin nigh-omnipotent.

Originally posted by Q99
Kami Tenchi created the Choushin, and is more powerful than them. The Choushin created countless universes and can be considered omnipotent. They are beyond the laws of physics, Are beyond a database that contains all knowledge in the universe, conducted infinite experiments (read: universe creations), are beyond higher dimensional beings, and created 'infinitely-linked universes'. Feat-wise, they also have greater than many beings in other fiction caused so, though the term is very widely used and people apply it to all kinds of things.


And even with all that, their goal was something beyond themselves. The point of said experiments.




Personally, I don't really think the word 'omnipotent' is properly applied to just about any fictional being, but they are higher in feats than, say, Marvel's Beyonders, Marvel's Eternities, or so on.

Well true, he does certainly have greater feats than most fictional beings, but I don't think that necessarily makes him omnipotent.

There are plenty of other beings in fiction who have claimed to be omnipotent. Such as Aizen, who's feats don't even compare to things that the Hulk has done. Hulk was also called omnipotent, lol. As well as Odin, and many other beings who have been defeated plenty of times.

And creating a universe doesn't make you omnipotent either. If that were true, then Superboy Prime would be omnipotent, given that he had the capacity to fly through Oa at light speed, causing a new big bang that would have created a new universe.

Not saying Kami Tenchi isn't omnipotent here, just putting in my own two cents. I haven't seen enough of Tenchi Muyo to form a developed opinion anyway.

His definition seems to be as strong as the Beyonder. Based on his profile.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
His definition seems to be as strong as the Beyonder. Based on his profile.

What feats does the Beyonder have that are on par with Kami Tenchi's?

Not being a dick, honestly curious.

Kami Tenchi doesn't have any noteworthy feats. His power is generally based on scaling of the Chōshin.

Originally posted by Astner
Kami Tenchi doesn't have any noteworthy feats. His power is generally based on scaling of the Chōshin.

Well if he's stronger than them, it makes sense that he could accomplish their feats, and even greater ones, right?

So wouldn't their feats be relatable to him?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well if he's stronger than them, it makes sense that he could accomplish their feats, and even greater ones, right?
It would be baseless to attribute any specific abilities beyond what the Chōshin have shown capable of to Kami Tenchi.

Originally posted by Astner
It would be baseless to attribute any specific abilities beyond what the Chōshin have shown capable of to Kami Tenchi.
VSBattles wikia logic at its best.........

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well if he's stronger than them, it makes sense that he could accomplish their feats, and even greater ones, right?

So wouldn't their feats be relatable to him?
Not even close....since it seems he is their life force.

Originally posted by Astner
Kami Tenchi doesn't have any noteworthy feats. His power is generally based on scaling of the Chōshin.
Which I did sadly before I made this post.
http://killermovies.wikia.com/wiki/Kami_Tenchi

To give another example, Kami Tenchi's stronger than Marvel's Beyonders. The Choushin have greater feats than them but without their inability to time travel.



Which is one of the silly things when people use the term, which is why I don't like using the term.

Being 1 can be show to do X, being 2 can be shown to do X raised to the Xth power, but because of something like the above, being 2 having some limit or such, some will discount the greater show of feats.

Each of the Choushin are much more powerful in feats than many beings in fiction to whom omnipotences is ascribed, like, say, Eru from Lord of the Rings, but some people, because of their weird issues with the word 'omnipotence,' will ignore the greater feats and assume the less-powerful one is stronger.

Then getting around to Kami Tenchi, there's nothing stronger than him, so even if one is more concerned with that than scale of feats, he's about as close as you're going to get.

I.e. if you go by feats, the Choushin are already in the top tier of fictional beings.

If you go by 'doesn't have anything that can stop them/known limits,' then Kami Tenchi is. After all, all we know is he's much beyond beings who are already in the top tier of universe creators in terms of scale of power.



The only real differences would be, we know KT can trump the Chōshin, and we know he can undo the Counteractor (which is basically a manifestation of the old 'rock you can't lift' problem, being made of the accumulated Choushin meddling in the universe) without having to destroy and re-create the universe first.

Considering the Chōshin are already multiverse creators, and not just of normal universes but of a huge number of higher dimensional universes too, that's pretty good.

I mean, feat scale wise, that is around tops already, so 'that, but trumps that and minus the few tiny limitations there,' covers just about everything.


Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Actual full blown Omnipotence and thanks for also agreeing that he has 0 actual feats to be considered omni tier.

One, 'actual full blown omnipotence' still doesn't tell us what definition of omnipotence you're using. I would strongly suspect that you'd have trouble naming something that'd fit all the definitions anyway, and what you can omni tier


And two, again, created and is greater than infinite multiversal creators.


Here's the basic problem with this conversation:
"Kami Tenchi's not omnipotent, right?"

"Well, Kami Tenchi is X, Y, and Z. What do you consider omni tier?"

"Kami Tenchi's not in it! Really!"


Definite your terms or it doesn't mean much of anything.

Just like Astner said, Odin and Darkseid have full blown omnipotence under a real definition of the term- when someone uses it, they are not being incorrect, even if a lot of people don't use that definition.

The Beyonders feats casually stomp anything the Choushin has shown.....the choushin lower form was getting man handled literally.

The choushin isnt even LT level.....

Kami was existing because of Tsunami interference.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
The Beyonders feats casually stomp anything the Choushin has shown.....the choushin lower form was getting man handled literally.

... because if they fully manifest, they'll destroy the universe. The Counteractor itself is basically made of choushin power accumulated in the 3d universe, but even so, the only thing preventing them from wiping the universe and resetting it was the presence of Z and Tenchi.




Their feats are beyond his, massively so. They created endless universes. That's much higher.

Heck, a lot of what he does is destroy troublesome universes, and they can do that simply by existing unrestrained. A Choushin doesn't have to do anything to destroy a universe, they just have to decide to not put limits in place.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What feats does the Beyonder have that are on par with Kami Tenchi's?

Not being a dick, honestly curious. He created and embodied a reality millions of times larger than the Marvel multiverse. He could casually emasculate the Living Tribunal (who, to be fair, might have been weaker at that point in Marvel canon), Eternity, Galactus, etc. Even Molecule Man, himself a reality warper more powerful than said abstracts by an enormous margin, said that the difference between Beyonder and him was comparable to the difference between Molecule Man and Captain America (hyperbole to be sure, but it does support Beyonder being in a tier of power entirely of his own at the time in Marvel).

Anyway, omnipotence is relative. In the Tenchiverse, he is effectively omnipotent. How would he compare to omnipotents from other series that have more accomplished far more? We can't say, we don't know.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He created and embodied a reality millions of times larger than the Marvel multiverse. He could casually emasculate the Living Tribunal (who, to be fair, might have been weaker at that point in Marvel canon), Eternity, Galactus, etc. Even Molecule Man, himself a reality warper more powerful than said abstracts by an enormous margin, said that the difference between Beyonder and him was comparable to the difference between Molecule Man and Captain America (hyperbole to be sure, but it does support Beyonder being in a tier of power entirely of his own at the time in Marvel).

Anyway, omnipotence is relative. In the Tenchiverse, he is effectively omnipotent. How would he compare to omnipotents from other series that have more accomplished far more? We can't say, we don't know.
-LT was never weakened
-MM to CA wasnt hyperbole but a analogy
-Tenchiverse is a contradiction+paradox and kami has 0 feats

Somehow we always end up talking about the LT, in DBZ threads..

Not really.....dont know why you even comment here if you are ignoring me.

http://i59.tinypic.com/r2stnt.jpg

Trolling like usual.

Says the guy who adamantly thinks Roshi>Beerus.

Troll

Not really

Says the guy spamming pictures who cant refute my claims about goku not stay on topic or leave.

We never had a debate about Goku, so until you come up with one, please keep lying.

Lying?

Where is goku planet busting attacks again? Ill wait for a scan of HIM doing it until then he isnt even worth above such levels.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
-LT was never weakened
-MM to CA wasnt hyperbole but a analogy
-Tenchiverse is a contradiction+paradox and kami has 0 feats

Tenchi created the Choushin, which created a multiverse bigger than Marvel's, with higher dimensions and such.

You can't just ignore feats because you don't like them.


Originally posted by NemeBro

Anyway, omnipotence is relative. In the Tenchiverse, he is effectively omnipotent. How would he compare to omnipotents from other series that have more accomplished far more? We can't say, we don't know.

On that note, what omniponents have accomplished far more? The Choushin's feats of creation are way up there even among creator types in terms of scale, what with the inclusion of all the higher dimension universes in addition to all the 3 dimensional ones, and endless of each.

Originally posted by Q99
Tenchi created the Choushin, which created a multiverse bigger than Marvel's, with higher dimensions and such.

You can't just ignore feats because you don't like them.

1. He didnt create the choushin
2. The choushin created HIM as stated and shown.
3. They dont have a multiverse nor is it bigger than marvel also higher dimensions are you high?

The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) was a infinitely dimensional enitity.
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/19/00/38/35/infini11.jpg

LT exist beyond/maintenance the infinite number of dimensions.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3566539-0.jpg
Myriad of adjacent pocket universes.*

4. Noone is denying anything the fact he is featless is the point.

Originally posted by Q99
On that note, what omniponents have accomplished far more? The Choushin's feats of creation are way up there even among creator types in terms of scale, what with the inclusion of all the higher dimension universes in addition to all the 3 dimensional ones, and endless of each.
22-Dimensions.....which are 22 universes and that they are what infinite? a single universe IS infinite that isnt a multiverse the Living Tribunal created something VASTLY bigger and VASTLY more on scale aka the Brothers Yin and Yang.

Yes, he created the Choushin. It's a time loop. Kami Tenchi created the Choushin that created the universe that gave rise to him.

This was the entire point of making the multiverse. Characters said this. Here is Washu being proud that Ryoko/Zero figured that out. Washu, being one of the Choushin, is quite the authority on this subject.




Look, the Choushin saying this stuff was quoted on the first page. Here's just one of the quotes. The experiments being referred to are universes. Here's them talking about infinite universes more directly.

"Marvel is bigger because I chose to ignore how Tenchi says it's multiverse works," is not a convincing argument.

That it involves time-loops and abstract terms doesn't make it not the case.



Yea, they really hit the retcon hammer hard there. Now even a whole species of Beyonds, the Ivory Kings, can't claim that.

Btw, I will mention the Choushin themselves are not 22nd dimensional. They exist in the Hyperdimension, beyond all normal dimensions.




That's not actually what that quote says. It says he looks over universes, some of who's number of spacial dimensions were irrational, such as having Pi dimensions, 'that number that stretches out towards infinity'.

As the latest Secret Wars shows (as well as what some other series like EXiles indicate), the number was finite.

Choushin do infinitely linked universes themselves. And they made them.



I'm denying that, and so are others like Nemebro and SSJGGogeta. What's even the point of saying that when multiple have said what he's done? He made the Choushin, undid the Counteractor, time-traveled in OAV 3, and such. Most notably, he made the Choushin, and was made by them to be beyond them. But "making the Choushin" is his biggest feat.

You're just repeating he's featless because you don't like the feats.





Nope, dimensions as in length/width/etc.. Think like how DC has 5th dimensional imps, aside from normal alternate worlds.

There's multiple shown 3-dimensional universes like the main ones, i.e. not higher or low dimensions, and there's outright said to be infinite universes.



One, the Living Tribunal didn't make the Marvel multiverse, he just tends to it. Two, Marvel universes aren't infinite, they have boundaries, as shown in the Annihilation/Guardians of the Galaxy serieses, Knowhere is near the edge of the universe. Note that our universe is not infinite, and most fictional universes follow the same thing.


So, long story short:
Kami Tenchi created the Choushin.
The Choushin created infinite universes.
All this has been shown in this thread.
The Marvel Multiverse is demonstrated non-infinite- heck, latest storyline had it compacted to one finite large world.

That you don't like that Kami Tenchi created the Choushin or this other stuff did not mean it didn't happen. Paradoxical doesn't mean that didn't happen. That you apparently don't get how the 'one created three which created one' thing works also doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that you don't get it.

Which, I believe, settles things.

So no proof of Omnipotence
So no proof of Omnipresence
So no proof of Omniscience

So again....
>He was created by the choushin regardless of paradox or not.
>He has time travel which contradicts his "All-Powerful" status because going back in time doesnt make you god at all.

Long story short:
Kami tenchi is featless regardless of the things stated here since he HAS to be powerscaled which would still put him below most of other fictional characters.

Seriously, the heck is with you?

"Here's proof of them making infinite universes. Here's characters talking about them being made by K-T."

"No proof, no proof!"

Plugging your ears is crap arguing.



Yes. This is true. And he's stronger than them. Your point?



What? How does going back in time make someone not-a-god?

Quite the opposite, if one can't time travel, and another can, that other has one less limit than the ones who can't.

In Marvel, the Beyonders lost *because* they couldn't time travel, and Doom could.



Feat one: He created the Choushin.

Feat two: He undid the universal-scale Counteractor.

Feat three: Reset the universe a bit.

Feat four: Time travel.

You keep saying featless, but you clearly are just ignoring feats.



He is powerscaled off his creations and their stated power of him, but he also did stuff. "Regardless of the things stated here," keep in mind, the things stated here are the creation feat he did, and then scaling off of that.

As well as the other stuff he did in OAV3, but that's the big one.



"He's powerscaled above infinite universe creators... that makes him weaker than most fictional character!"

Are you even trying? Or do you honestly think just repeatedly 'featless' is an argument?

1. 0 PROOF of him creating the choushin
2. How is that impressive or a feat? Even Z could have beaten her.
3. Reset the universe abit? YOU MEAN THE CHOUSHIN reset the universe.
4. Cool.....already knew this

You are making statements without proof...


1. Going back in time doesn't make you god.....
2. Time travel isn't going to save this Featless being at all.
3. The beyonders had Plot induced stupidity since it was for SW why even mention them when they aren't part of this discussion?


Cant scale nigh-omnipotence........
Time travel? Wow.....we don't know the extend.
Galaxy level lifting?.....wow.....
He is still basically Featless....


>Creators of the universe
Gets beaten up by the counter actor.....

You ignored the fact that Nigh-Omnipotence CAN'T be scaled because by your logic those who face Galactus/IG users are NIGH-OMNIPOTENT which isnt the case.

Its accepted he is Featless.

Originally posted by Q99
Seriously, the heck is with you?

"Here's proof of them making infinite universes. Here's characters talking about them being made by K-T."

"No proof, no proof!"

Plugging your ears is crap arguing.



Yes. This is true. And he's stronger than them. Your point?



What? How does going back in time make someone not-a-god?

Quite the opposite, if one can't time travel, and another can, that other has one less limit than the ones who can't.

In Marvel, the Beyonders lost *because* they couldn't time travel, and Doom could.



Feat one: He created the Choushin.

Feat two: He undid the universal-scale Counteractor.

Feat three: Reset the universe a bit.

Feat four: Time travel.

You keep saying featless, but you clearly are just ignoring feats.



He is powerscaled off his creations and their stated power of him, but he also did stuff. "Regardless of the things stated here," keep in mind, the things stated here are the creation feat he did, and then scaling off of that.

As well as the other stuff he did in OAV3, but that's the big one.



"He's powerscaled above infinite universe creators... that makes him weaker than most fictional character!"

Are you even trying? Or do you honestly think just repeatedly 'featless' is an argument?

Don't waste your time, Q99. Just ignore him, like the majority of us do.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod

2. How is that impressive or a feat? Even Z could have beaten her.

Hah, not at all. The Counteractor is effectively completely immortal in the 3-d realm, and made through the accumulation of Choushin energy.

Even the Choushin's limited 3d manifestations are much beyond Z, which is why he called upon the Counteract to stalemate them. In a third dimensional universe, it's almost impossible to beat the Counteractor. Drawing on higher powers will do the job, but at the cost of the universe- which is normally no problem, because they can effortlessly re-create a universe, but they cannot recreate Z and Tenchi, which put them in an ugly stalemate where they really couldn't do much.



It doesn't make you *not* a god, which does make me wonder why you keep on acting like it's a minus. It's a power that, say, the Beyonders don't have.

He did make three multiiverse creators. And is noted to be more powerful than them. That's really the main stuff that matters.



Because 'the Choushin have higher feats than the Marvel Multiverse' came up as an analogy since you're likely familiar with them too. Also because since you don't actually define what you mean by 'omnipotent,' in order to answer your questions the best way to do so is to use analogies to similar characters who you are familiar with, so as to establish the level of play the Choushin, and thus Kami Tenchi, are on.

Do you consider the Infinity Gauntlet, Beyonder, or so on, 'omnipotent'? (Once again, you've failed to define precisely what you mean by that, so I'm stuck asking) Well, the Choushin have higher feats. They created an infinite multiverse, bigger than the Marvel Multiverse which is shown-non-infinite.



I'm going to interpret you saying 'featless' as "you don't like admitting being wrong."

It makes more sense in context, because you keep kinda-admitting feats, then yelling featless-featless-featless when it comes to a conclusion you don't like.




For the specific reason that manifesting fully would destroy the universe, and they were thus limited to 3-d manifestations.




Nope, that doesn't follow at all. Simply facing something is not the same as what's going on here. We have specific feats of the Choushin's power, we have feats of Kami Tenchi, and we have stated comparison between Kami Tenchi's power and the Choushin's.

If a being is said to be more powerful than Galactus or an Infinity Gauntlet user, that's not the same as merely 'facing' them. Indeed, Infinity Gauntlet > Galactus is a good example of this. And Beyonder > Infinity Gauntlet beyond that.

So you say 'by my logic,' but really, it's more 'by your logic.' My logic is pretty straightforward.

The Choushin have the feats of creating an infinite multiverse, and being able to create new universes easily. Kami Tenchi created them, was created to be beyond them, as well as doing some other lesser stuff.




Yea, I probably should. He is... not good at arguing.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, I probably should. He is... not good at arguing.

Yeah bro, don't worry, you won here.

It's obvious he only made this stupid thread to wank his favorite character, as per usual.

Just ignore him, and Yungz will pick him up with the rest of the short bus crew.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yeah bro, don't worry, you won here.

It's obvious he only made this stupid thread to wank his favorite character, as per usual.

Just ignore him, and Yungz will pick him up with the rest of the short bus crew.
Says the guy.....
>Who hasn't won a debate
>Lost to me multiple times
>Cant debate
>Wanks a character with low end feats compared to other characters.

K kid

Originally posted by Q99
Hah, not at all. The Counteractor is effectively completely immortal in the 3-d realm, and made through the accumulation of Choushin energy.
And yet they couldn't beat her?....already showing the choushin aren't impressive.

Originally posted by Q99
Even the Choushin's limited 3d manifestations are much beyond Z, which is why he called upon the Counteract to stalemate them. In a third dimensional universe, it's almost impossible to beat the Counteractor. Drawing on higher powers will do the job, but at the cost of the universe- which is normally no problem, because they can effortlessly re-create a universe, but they cannot recreate Z and Tenchi, which put them in an ugly stalemate where they really couldn't do much.
1st off Z had 5 light hawk wings it was stated 10 light hawk wings equals the choudhin and he had HALF the power.

2nd stalemate?....the choushin were literally being CHOKED aka being injured BY the counter-actor.

3rd I can name beings who can beat the counter-actor in the 3rd dimension.....a good list as well and if they could have.

4th I already know about the "Inabilities" to re-create both Z and Tenchi....but the problem WITH that is if they can reset a UNIVERSE but can't re-create 2 beings I see a problem POWER wise.

Originally posted by Q99
It doesn't make you *not* a god, which does make me wonder why you keep on acting like it's a minus. It's a power that, say, the Beyonders don't have.

He did make three multiiverse creators. And is noted to be more powerful than them. That's really the main stuff that matters.
1st we dont know WHAT timeline KT has been in or from due to the fact its just Tenchi in the FUTURE with HIS power at its best.

2nd the beyonders > tenchi muyoverse I dont see you using a PIS as a feat....since beyonder CAN go back in time and the beyonders cant? And the beyonder is a BABY a CHILD of the Beyonders.

3rd 0 Proof he created "Multi-Universe" creators also and yeah it matters BECAUSE their is absolutely 0 sources/proof HE CREATED THEM even TOKIMI stated no evidence and again Tsunami CREATED Masaki WHO created KT since its just him in the future.

Originally posted by Q99
Because 'the Choushin have higher feats than the Marvel Multiverse' came up as an analogy since you're likely familiar with them too. Also because since you don't actually define what you mean by 'omnipotent,' in order to answer your questions the best way to do so is to use analogies to similar characters who you are familiar with, so as to establish the level of play the Choushin, and thus Kami Tenchi, are on.
Lol Marvel has not just SUPERIOR feats but has beings WHO can stomp Tenchi muyo even the Ultimate Nullifier can stomp the choushin.....seriously dont compare the strongest fiction with a series of inconstancy's/contradictions to the core

In similarities???
The choushin aren't even on Galactus W/UN LEVEL
KT has no real feats to place him on Galactus level beings.

Omnipotent as the being is all 3 Infinite Power,All-Knowing, and Everywhere at once and KT DOES NOT FIT THIS DESCRIPTION.

Originally posted by Q99
Do you consider the Infinity Gauntlet, Beyonder, or so on, 'omnipotent'? (Once again, you've failed to define precisely what you mean by that, so I'm stuck asking) Well, the Choushin have higher feats. They created an infinite multiverse, bigger than the Marvel Multiverse which is shown-non-infinite.Originally posted by Q99
I'm going to interpret you saying 'featless' as "you don't like admitting being wrong."

It makes more sense in context, because you keep kinda-admitting feats, then yelling featless-featless-featless when it comes to a conclusion you don't like.
1. Not even close to being wrong....
2. Featless=Having no feats to debate which KT feats.
3. Time traveling? Galaxy strength? I can name Galactus higher than that feat.....even Eternity/Infinity.

Originally posted by Q99
For the specific reason that manifesting fully would destroy the universe, and they were thus limited to 3-d manifestations.

Nope, that doesn't follow at all. Simply facing something is not the same as what's going on here. We have specific feats of the Choushin's power, we have feats of Kami Tenchi, and we have stated comparison between Kami Tenchi's power and the Choushin's.
1. The choushin regardless were beaten....they have at best feats that only place them at NIGH-OMNIPOTENT.

2. KT doesn't have the same feats THEY have and using a compared Featless being with beings with Featless and he doesn't he have any ON-PANEL feats other than Time Travel/Galaxy strength in his SUPER SIZE form.

Originally posted by Q99
If a being is said to be more powerful than Galactus or an Infinity Gauntlet user, that's not the same as merely 'facing' them. Indeed, Infinity Gauntlet > Galactus is a good example of this. And Beyonder > Infinity Gauntlet beyond that.
So you say 'by my logic,' but really, it's more 'by your logic.' My logic is pretty straightforward.
The Choushin have the feats of creating an infinite multiverse, and being able to create new universes easily. Kami Tenchi created them, was created to be beyond them, as well as doing some other lesser stuff.

Yea, I probably should. He is... not good at arguing.

I agree with the fact you aren't good at arguing....

1. Your logic isn't straightforward its basically Powerscaling the concept of nigh-omnipotence which cant be POWERSCALED.

2. You tried to use a analogy of powers he doesn't even have or has shown....

3. The choushin has the feat of creating 22 Universes which isnt even infinite like a true MULTIVERSE and also 0% proof he created them that's fan speculation and just because he is above them doesn't MAKE him God like at ALL and also
KT beats the counter-actor and the choushin couldn't even beat the counter-actor only proving the concept of contradictions/inconstancies

If the choushin were so power why couldn't they just think CA out of existence?.....why did KT have to kiss the counter actor? Things we dont know because of lazy plotting how can 3 NIGH-OMNIPOTENT beings get straight choked out by something they indirectly created?

Seriously
KT is Featless here nothing to debate or to use him in such debates.

Logic here:
KT is God because of time travel
KT is God because he "Apparently" created the choushin


Actual Logic:
KT isnt God because of time travel
KT isnt God because no proof of him creating anything.

Logic here:
KT being above Nigh-Omnipotent beings means he is God

Actual Logic:
LT who is a Nigh-Omnipotent being had been above another Nigh-Infinite power aka Eternity,Infinite, and the IG meaning oh he MUST BE GOD!

That's what's going on in this post.