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He's probably the one character they've been able to keep somewhat under wraps. Based on rumors or you're own grounded thoughts, how powerful do you think the new baddie will be in canon? Where would you place him based on the little info we have?

Is that a real image of him?

It was leaked sometime ago, Its supposedly of him.

I doubt it. They'd use prosthetics for that minor of facial alterations.

I wonder why the Knights of Ren and Snoke have such a raging boner for Vader.

I'd assume he will be more powerful than Darth Vader.

That's not Snoke. It's a piece of early concept art of Kylo.

Originally posted by ares834
That's not Snoke. It's a piece of early concept art of Kylo.

Not as powerful as his Legends incarnation tbh

inb4 ur wrong and that was actually Snoakey

Supreme Leader Snoke sounds like something stupid from Harry Potter.

Originally posted by ares834
That's not Snoke. It's a piece of early concept art of Kylo.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Supreme Leader Snoke sounds like something stupid from Harry Potter. Stop being old, nigga.

Strong as Vader.

More powerful than Palpatine for sure.

More powerful than Palpatine with darkside amulets to boost his power even more.

It is clear Palpatine will look inferior.

Yeah, agreed. In both Legends and Canon, Palpatine will be forced to #2.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, agreed. In both Legends and Canon, Palpatine will be forced to #2. I bet his fans can't sleep at night.

Like The_Tempest.

Vader level.

Snoke will be a credible threat to Luke.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Vader level. Do you feel Vader was more powerful or less powerful than Sidious ?

I'm going to say as powerful as Palpatine but possibly not as skilled with a lightsaber.

Originally posted by Darth Abonis
I'm going to say as powerful as Palpatine but possibly not as skilled with a lightsaber. Palpatine lost to Windu and was disarmed by Yoda. With a lightsaber he wasn't at the top of the food chain by any stretch of the imagination. Snoke should be >>Sheev across the board.

He'll probably start out below Palpatine, but probably get some power ups later on putting him at least Palpatine level or above.

Given Kylo worshiped Vader, not Snoke, I doubt Snoke is Vader level. Nothing shameful about that though.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Given Kylo worshiped Vader, not Snoke, I doubt Snoke is Vader level. Nothing shameful about that though. Except Vader was a more badass icon, his grandfather, and someone who is dead so Kylo has no idea how powerful he actually was. I doubt that means that Snoke is below Vader (not that I wouldn't be happy af if I found out Vader > Snoke).

Around RotS Sidious level I guess

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Given Kylo worshiped Vader, not Snoke, I doubt Snoke is Vader level. Nothing shameful about that though. This is a completely irrelevant point and has no direct connection to Snoke's power level.

Originally posted by Sinious
Except Vader was a more badass icon, his grandfather, and someone who is dead so Kylo has no idea how powerful he actually was. I doubt that means that Snoke is below Vader (not that I wouldn't be happy af if I found out Vader > Snoke).



I'm sure Luke would have told his nephew how powerful Vader was.

Would just seem strange to me for a darksider to worship a less powerful darksider instead of his current Master, if his current Master really was more powerful in the dark side.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I'm sure Luke would have told his nephew how powerful Vader was.

Would just seem strange to me for a darksider to worship a less powerful darksider instead of his current Master, if his current Master really was more powerful in the dark side. He was his family and probably sees similarities in him unlike with Snoke who is clearly the master to his apprentice. Vader was always the apprentice.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I'm sure Luke would have told his nephew how powerful Vader was.

Would just seem strange to me for a darksider to worship a less powerful darksider instead of his current Master, if his current Master really was more powerful in the dark side. then why isn't Kylo just worshipping the Emperor? Clearly, he was even more powerful and I'm sure Luke told him about the Emperor as well.

It's his grandfather and a symbolic figure that successfully dominated the galaxy with the dark side once.. Clearly Kylo isn't intrigued by random power there.

Originally posted by Sinious
then why isn't Kylo just worshipping the Emperor? Clearly, he was even more powerful and I'm sure Luke told him about the Emperor as well.

It's his grandfather and a symbolic figure that successfully dominated the galaxy with the dark side once.. Clearly Kylo isn't intrigued by random power there.


The Emperor isn't alive and has no connection to Kylo.

However if the Emperor was alive and Kylo his apprentice, then it would be strange for him to worship Vader IMO.

Snoke isn't exactly a random. He's the guy who seduced Kylo to the dark side, and his current Master.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The Emperor isn't alive and has no connection to Kylo.

However if the Emperor was alive and Kylo his apprentice, then it would be strange for him to worship Vader IMO.

Snoke isn't exactly a random. He's the guy who seduced Kylo to the dark side, and his current Master. Yet, he was the master of Vader. If Kylo was randomly after powerful dark side figures in near history, I'm sure he'd wank Sidious more than Vader.

Probably cause he'd be worshipping the guy he replaced as Sidious' servant.

I didn't say Snoke is random. I meant that Kylo's interest in Vader hardly appears to be caused by Vader's superior force powers to Snoke. Snoke probably used Vader to secure Ben in the first place.

Originally posted by Sinious
Yet, he was the master of Vader. If Kylo was randomly after powerful dark side figures in near history, I'm sure he'd wank Sidious more than Vader.




Who said anything about random though?

Neither Vader nor Snoke are randoms to him. But I would see no reason for him o worship Vader over Snoke if Snoke was clearly more powerful.


Remember "you're afraid you'll never be as Powerful as Darth Vader". Why wasn't he afraid he'd never be as powerful as Snoke?


Bear in mind I'm obviously just speculating here. I'm just saying it wouldn't make sense to me if that were the case.

Originally posted by wm0403
Snoke is a smaller, crappier version of Palpatine.

O RLY

A lot of people won't like it, but he'll be at least powerful enough to be a threat to Luke. Then again, we don't really know how powerful canon Luke is after RotJ, so. Imo, he's gonna be at least > Vader.

Originally posted by wm0403
Snoke isn't going to be Palpatine level. Everything about TFA is a weaker copy of ANH. The First Order is a smaller, crappier version of the Empire. Ren is a smaller, crappier version of Vade. Snoke is a smaller, crappier version of Palpatine. I don't think they'd put him anywhere near Palpatine in terms of force power, or intelligence/political machinations. And that's assuming he's not a force ghost (someone's theory).

Starkiller base is a - oh...

I don't see how he can be a credible counterpart to Luke if he's sub-Vader or Palpatine level.

Originally posted by The Ellimist


I don't see how he can be a credible counterpart to Luke if he's sub-Vader or Palpatine level.



With a massively superior army perhaps.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Who said anything about random though?

Neither Vader nor Snoke are randoms to him. But I would see no reason for him o worship Vader over Snoke if Snoke was clearly more powerful.


Remember "you're afraid you'll never be as Powerful as Darth Vader". Why wasn't he afraid he'd never be as powerful as Snoke?


Bear in mind I'm obviously just speculating here. I'm just saying it wouldn't make sense to me if that were the case. Sure you're speculating but just by looking at the movie one could say that Snoke is alive and is the master of Ren who commands and trains him, where Vader is a strong memory and a symbol of DS dominating the galaxy who happens to be his grandfather and also a Jedi who also turned to the dark side. I mean, it doesn't take a genius to understand why Vader is so important to Kylo and why he compares himself to Vader so much. All I'm saying is that clearly there is a lot more than just power involved here which kinda eliminates your original argument.

Again, would rather have Vader > Snoke myself, but not through this reasoning.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
With a massively superior army perhaps.

Yeah, but there's gotta be some room for dramatic one v one confrontations.

Except you're all assuming Luke in canon is some demigod like he was in Legends.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Who said anything about random though?

Neither Vader nor Snoke are randoms to him. But I would see no reason for him o worship Vader over Snoke if Snoke was clearly more powerful.


Remember "you're afraid you'll never be as Powerful as Darth Vader". Why wasn't he afraid he'd never be as powerful as Snoke?


Bear in mind I'm obviously just speculating here. I'm just saying it wouldn't make sense to me if that were the case. Because he doesn't emulate Snoke like he does Vader. It's plain as day why he worships Vader to everyone except your sensitive brain which never liked Snoke from before the movie.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, but there's gotta be some room for dramatic one v one confrontations.

Snoke could have unique abilities, he doesn't nessecarily have to be powerful to pose a direct challenge. Interesting abilities could do that too.

He'll probably have unique powers but also be fairly (or monstrously) powerful in his own right.

Plagueis because he is him

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, but there's gotta be some room for dramatic one v one confrontations.



Remember though Snoke seems scared of Luke. Despite having the whole First Order at his command, and having destroyed the main system of the Republic.

In fairness, Snoke has a chance of growing in power over the course of the trilogy too.

^ That's true.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Remember though Snoke seems scared of Luke. Despite having the whole First Order at his command, and having destroyed the main system of the Republic.

Luke is probably > Palpatine at this point. And you don't have to be weaker than someone to see them as a threat, so their comparative power levels isn't very clear at this moment.

^ Of course nothing is clear. We're just speculating.

I'm just getting from Disney's glorifying of Vader, that he was a total dark side powerhouse, 2nd only to Palpatine himself.

And so Snoke being a very powerful darksider doesn't have to in any way, shape or form make him Vader's equal. I mean heck, Maul's a very powerful dark sider, and has outright admitted he's no match for Vader, after decades of practice in the dark side.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Remember though Snoke seems scared of Luke. Despite having the whole First Order at his command, and having destroyed the main system of the Republic. Palpatine wanted him dead at first as well and then changed his plans when he believed he could be turned into an ally. You really are a putz.

DE Sidious level.
Calling it now.
Except the heroes and Kylo Ren stop him before he gains all of his power.

Is it ever actually stated that Snoke fears Luke? IIRC the novel makes it clear that he's obsessed with preventing the Resistance from finding him/doesn't want him to join the fight, but that may reflect a pragmatic consideration of Luke's abilities, not necessarily fear. Palpatine is also obsessed with hunting down the Jedi, even though none of them are as powerful as he is.

^ That's exactly what proves he fears Luke. Because he's content with Luke just staying in hiding. As long as he's away from Snoke.


But tbf to Snoke, even Vader would fear TFA Luke. Whether or not Snoke is on Vader's level though remains to be seen.

I still say composite Dooku level.

^ Dooku level? Whoaa that would make him really powerful.

If he's Dooku level or below that would honestly surprise me.

He's apparently so powerful that Palpatine sensed his power from the unknown regions and sent out entire expedition teams to try to pin down whatever dark side energies he was feeling.

Quote?

Yeah, I'd never heard that.

If that's true, he's very powerful.

^ it's almost certainly the case, given that the post-Endor Empire sent out ships to the unknown regions to check up on those colonies, and then conveniently returned with Snoke.

Granted, perhaps Snoke isn't the source itself and just gained his power from it.

I don't remember any of that in Aftermath. Which part are we talking about? When Wedge is getting tortured by that guy whose going on about Sith draining life energy?

Someone claims he read the script for Ep. 8, you can find it online Snoke is supposed to be Palpatine who survived his fall, barely. Rey is Lukes daughter and together they fight Palpatine and Kylo at the end, Luke wounds Snoke who flees and Kylo and his knights are defeated by the Jedi, where Kylo tells Rey that they are cousins, after which she runs from Luke and trains later with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda. Interesting, Del Torro is a new Sith at the side of Snoke.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Someone claims he read the script for Ep. 8, you can find it online Snoke is supposed to be Palpatine who survived his fall, barely. Rey is Lukes daughter and together they fight Palpatine and Kylo at the end, Luke wounds Snoke who flees and Kylo and his knights are defeated by the Jedi, where Kylo tells Rey that they are cousins, after which she runs from Luke and trains later with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda. Interesting, Del Torro is a new Sith at the side of Snoke.

Supershadow Reborn?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Someone claims he read the script for Ep. 8, you can find it online Snoke is supposed to be Palpatine who survived his fall, barely. Rey is Lukes daughter and together they fight Palpatine and Kylo at the end, Luke wounds Snoke who flees and Kylo and his knights are defeated by the Jedi, where Kylo tells Rey that they are cousins, after which she runs from Luke and trains later with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda. Interesting, Del Torro is a new Sith at the side of Snoke.

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Originally posted by ares834
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I said claims ^^.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3751013

Personally I would think this to be a very good story if true.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Someone claims he read the script for Ep. 8, you can find it online Snoke is supposed to be Palpatine who survived his fall, barely. Rey is Lukes daughter and together they fight Palpatine and Kylo at the end, Luke wounds Snoke who flees and Kylo and his knights are defeated by the Jedi, where Kylo tells Rey that they are cousins, after which she runs from Luke and trains later with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda. Interesting, Del Torro is a new Sith at the side of Snoke. Originally posted by ares834
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I read the entire thing with horrified fascination. Thank god it's fake.

No Star Wars leak in the past 2 years has ever been ****ing good. They've all been cancerous as shit.
>Revan is reborn... Again
>Revan is Gollum
>Vitiate goes full Nihilus
>SW 7 starts with Luke's ****ing hand landing on Tatooine (thank god that turned out to be fake)
>Vos moves faster than Dooku, disarms him, and slams Dooku's head into the ground
>Yet another even bigger threat pops up in SWTOR (Zakuul)
>Marr dies
>Godlander shit
>Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin (thank God this is almost certainly fake too)
>Snoke is Sheev (thank God this is probably fake too)

It's like, can't we for once get a SW leak that isn't compete cancer?

I'm just ****ing happy that if all the leaks are cancerous all of the ones regarding the movies have been bullshit

Now Snoke is going to be Ezra.

You see I'd actually give Disney props if they had the balls to do that.

Looks more like Grand Inquisitor, who I really liked in Rebels.

In any case I doubt they would link up Rebels to the films in such a major way.

That dead pleb isn't Snoke.

You're right. He's too good for Snoke.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Now Snoke is going to be Ezra.

INB4 Snoke is Vader who essence transferred into Palpatine ( who survived the reactor shaft ) and beat him in a battle of wills.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You're right. He's too good for Snoke. Your goofy ass would hate the badass that is Snoke.

Jesus.