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Standard morals and equipment, fight takes place on Ambria.

If it's one-sided in favor of Caedus, Bane and Zannah get Cognus.

If it's one-sided in favor of the duo, Caedus gets Lumiya.

Team in both rounds.

Caedus in both rounds

caedus wins both

Originally posted by Nephthys
Team in both rounds.

Stop being so silly.

No? The location is Ambria, so Zannah gets her tentacles. Meaning she can spam that shit while Bane plays goalie. Jacen and Lumiya get cut to pieces, either by the tentacles or if they somehow make it through when they try to fight Bane and dodge the tentacles at the same time. Bane can also bombard them with force attacks to further distract them.

Even not accounting for the location, Bane and Zannah beat Caedus comfortably. Zannah mindzaps him and Bane cuts him down while he's distracted. Lumiya gets one-shot by either Zannah or Bane, can't block lightning with a whip. Nor sorcery.

Bane and Zannah's team combo is too good.

LAL.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No? The location is Ambria, so Zannah gets her tentacles. Meaning she can spam that shit while Bane plays goalie. Jacen and Lumiya get cut to pieces, either by the tentacles or if they somehow make it through when they try to fight Bane and dodge the tentacles at the same time. Bane can also bombard them with force attacks to further distract them.

Even not accounting for the location, Bane and Zannah beat Caedus comfortably. Zannah mindzaps him and Bane cuts him down while he's distracted. Lumiya gets one-shot by either Zannah or Bane, can't block lightning with a whip. Nor sorcery.

Bane and Zannah's team combo is too good.

You do understand that Caedus is more powerful than either Bane or Zannah. Possibly more powerful than both combined. You make it seem like Caedus wouldn't get the same amp they would. Caedus would take Bane or Zannah in a saber fight and seeing as how fast Caedus is, I'm not so sure how she will be able to use those tentacles with Caedus on her butt. Considering he's way more powerful and skilled he should be able to overwhelm her while keeping Bane at bay. Bane's force attacks don't hold a candle to Caedus.

No they don't silly. Caedus is possibly the second or third greatest Sith Lord in history IMO. He is above both Bane and Zannah, possibly together. He was able to go toe to toe with Luke and able to hold his own agaisnt Jaina Solo while injured, and even then she had assistance form Luke the most powerful mortal being ever. Caedus eats these two for breakfast.

Caedus by himself is toooooo good. Even if Caedus couldn't take them on by himself which he can, Caedus is way to powerful for any being by themselves to take him on and considering that these two can be taken in by single opponents such as Windu or Dooku, both people Caedus would beat, this team is just to weak.

Caedus is not the second , or third most powerful Sith Lord, LAWL. You can make a case for third, but second? Nah.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You do understand that Caedus is more powerful than either Bane or Zannah. Possibly more powerful than both combined.

No. Also that doesn't matter with my argument. The tentacles aren't something you can defeat with power.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You make it seem like Caedus wouldn't get the same amp they would.

He probably wouldn't. The power on Ambria is sealed, it's not a nexus. Zannah had to consciously draw upon that "buried.... sealed" power to access it and it didn't amp her, she used it for a spell.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Caedus would take Bane or Zannah in a saber fight and seeing as how fast Caedus is, I'm not so sure how she will be able to use those tentacles with Caedus on her butt. Considering he's way more powerful and skilled he should be able to overwhelm her while keeping Bane at bay. Bane's force attacks don't hold a candle to Caedus.

He wouldn't be able to do that because Bane would be running defense and drawing him off her. You can think Caedus can beat them in a duel if you want, but Zannah's defense is incredible. Power and skill alone can't get you through her defensive wall. Not that Caedus possesses either in significant excess to Bane and he got stumped by it. Caedus will hit that, she'll retreat, Bane will attack him and Zannah will be free to use her sorcery.

That is, assuming Caedus actually can close the distance and engage her directly before Zannah uses the spell or Bane intercepts. Which I doubt.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No they don't silly. Caedus is possibly the second or third greatest Sith Lord in history IMO. He is above both Bane and Zannah, possibly together. He was able to go toe to toe with Luke and able to hold his own agaisnt Jaina Solo while injured, and even then she had assistance form Luke the most powerful mortal being ever. Caedus eats these two for breakfast.

You're not even remotely engaging with my argument, you're just wanking off to Caedus. Plenty of people have gone toe to toe with Luke. He's the biggest inconsistency in the entire franchise. Lumiya could and she got beat by a random Jedi Knight on a nexus. And Jaina is beneath either Sith.

The only thing Jacen will be eating is a million molten knives exploding in his mind a half second before he gets desert in the form of Bane's lightsaber.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Caedus by himself is toooooo good. Even if Caedus couldn't take them on by himself which he can, Caedus is way to powerful for any being by themselves to take him on and

Uh, no he's not. Plenty of people can take Caedus on solo and beat him. You're being a silly billy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
considering that these two can be taken in by single opponents such as Windu or Dooku, both people Caedus would beat, this team is just to weak.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ok, I'm done with you now.

The above posts reminds me a lot of this:

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Neph, Caedus has a huge degree of control over his own mind. In the Dark Nest trilogy, he plays with his mind-waves to make the machine testing him for indoctrination draw pictures. His pain tolerance is absurd. And he's been consistently shown to use obscure Force powers even in the midst of heated combat. I don't know that your claim about Zannah's contribution (without the tentacles) is correct.

On the other hand, Caedus will probably not be able to steamroll Bane and pierce Zannah's defense simultaneously. Do we have any feats where Zannah and Bane fought side by side?

So has Bane, on both counts. Yet he was still brought to his knee's by Zannah. And Bane had specifically studied Zannah's spells and braced himself for her attack. I'm not even arguing that she needs to replicate that, she simply needs enough to make him freeze up for half a second or impact his performance enough to give Bane the opportunity he needs.

Other than the Tython duel, no. But they do know each others abilities, strengths and weaknesses extremely well and are capable strategists.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Caedus is not the second , or third most powerful Sith Lord, LAWL. You can make a case for third, but second? Nah.

It's hard to place him at times. He's definitely below Sidious, and possibly Vitiate, but he's above Plagueis Krayt, Kun Revan, IMO. It's ones personal opinion, but he's definitely within the top 5.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No? The location is Ambria, so Zannah gets her tentacles. Meaning she can spam that shit while Bane plays goalie. Jacen and Lumiya get cut to pieces, either by the tentacles or if they somehow make it through when they try to fight Bane and dodge the tentacles at the same time. Bane can also bombard them with force attacks to further distract them.

Even not accounting for the location, Bane and Zannah beat Caedus comfortably. Zannah mindzaps him and Bane cuts him down while he's distracted. Lumiya gets one-shot by either Zannah or Bane, can't block lightning with a whip. Nor sorcery.

Bane and Zannah's team combo is too good.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No. Also that doesn't matter with my argument. The tentacles aren't something you can defeat with power.



He probably wouldn't. The power on Ambria is sealed, it's not a nexus. Zannah had to consciously draw upon that "buried.... sealed" power to access it and it didn't amp her, she used it for a spell.



He wouldn't be able to do that because Bane would be running defense and drawing him off her. You can think Caedus can beat them in a duel if you want, but Zannah's defense is incredible. Power and skill alone can't get you through her defensive wall. Not that Caedus possesses either in significant excess to Bane and he got stumped by it. Caedus will hit that, she'll retreat, Bane will attack him and Zannah will be free to use her sorcery.



That is, assuming Caedus actually can close the distance and engage her directly before Zannah uses the spell or Bane intercepts. Which I doubt.



You're not even remotely engaging with my argument, you're just wanking off to Caedus. Plenty of people have gone toe to toe with Luke. He's the biggest inconsistency in the entire franchise. Lumiya could and she got beat by a random Jedi Knight on a nexus. And Jaina is beneath either Sith.

The only thing Jacen will be eating is a million molten knives exploding in his mind a half second before he gets desert in the form of Bane's lightsaber.



Uh, no he's not. Plenty of people can take Caedus on solo and beat him. You're being a silly billy.



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ok, I'm done with you now.

He's definitely stronger than either one alone. Combined is a stretch, but the end he could make it. it would be a struggle, but Caedus is just to powerful and to skilled.

Why not? He's a darksider no? is the amp selectively giving free amps away? I think what you're trying to say is he wouldn't do the same thing with that amp as the team would. Hannah only ever used those tentacles when there, so she used a spell that was amped by the planet.

Well again, bane isn't on Caedus level as a duelist. His soreness can buy him time, but most likely not enough time to take on Caedus and be able to do substantial good. Also Caedus physicality is amazing, as well as his own force power. You think some tentacles that it takes a planet to allow her to do, that didn't take Darth bane out immediately, is going to take one of the top 5 sith out?

Luke is the most powerful mortal being in the entire mythos. You wanna bring in lumina, isn't she someone involved in this. If we bring her in there is no question team Caedus wins, as Caeuds will beat Bane, and there is no way that Hannah is beating Lumiya. Cadets mental power is more than enough to withstand any spell that Zannah can dish out. He was able to easily take on Katarn and 3-4 other jedi with ease. Able to go toe to toe withLuke, and be more powerful than jaina. Caedus wins this with moderate difficulty.

The only people who can actually go toe to toe with Caedus and expect to win are Luke, Sidious, yoda, and emperor vitiate. other than that no one can. Plagues and Revan and Kun, krayt, maybe able to hold him off, but they can't win.

Its not my fault the duo sucks.

Post above has no real arguments.

Caedus wins all three rounds easily

Originally posted by Sinious
Post above has no real arguments.

not meant to

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He's definitely stronger than either one alone. Combined is a stretch, but the end he could make it. it would be a struggle, but Caedus is just to powerful and to skilled.

Why not? He's a darksider no? is the amp selectively giving free amps away? I think what you're trying to say is he wouldn't do the same thing with that amp as the team would. Hannah only ever used those tentacles when there, so she used a spell that was amped by the planet.

Well again, bane isn't on Caedus level as a duelist. His soreness can buy him time, but most likely not enough time to take on Caedus and be able to do substantial good. Also Caedus physicality is amazing, as well as his own force power. You think some tentacles that it takes a planet to allow her to do, that didn't take Darth bane out immediately, is going to take one of the top 5 sith out?

Luke is the most powerful mortal being in the entire mythos. You wanna bring in lumina, isn't she someone involved in this. If we bring her in there is no question team Caedus wins, as Caeuds will beat Bane, and there is no way that Hannah is beating Lumiya. Cadets mental power is more than enough to withstand any spell that Zannah can dish out. He was able to easily take on Katarn and 3-4 other jedi with ease. Able to go toe to toe withLuke, and be more powerful than jaina. Caedus wins this with moderate difficulty.

The only people who can actually go toe to toe with Caedus and expect to win are Luke, Sidious, yoda, and emperor vitiate. other than that no one can. Plagues and Revan and Kun, krayt, maybe able to hold him off, but they can't win.

Its not my fault the duo sucks.

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Nepht, I find your lack of faith disturbing. The fact you think Bane and Zannah can beat Caedus is just sad.

Nah, Neph sort of did rape you in that debate.

Ngl, he kinda did.

Pony images always destroy.

Going with the guy who held his own against Luke.

NGL, in terms of actual arguments, Bane/Zannah are winning.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
not meant to Then why post at all?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Nepht

Originally posted by Sinious
Then why post at all?

Bored. Wasn't meant to be actual debate.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nah, Neph sort of did rape you in that debate.

Wasn't actually meaning to actually debate. But still seriously Caedua does take this, with little to moderate difficulty.

Stop supporting Caedus. You're doing more harm than good.

Lol

But now on a more serious note. Caedus does win as he was able to contend with Luke with his saber, and his feats do put him fairly above both Bane and Zannah.

Bane fought evenly with Kas'im who could train Sith to die in the Frontlines, he also knew a lot of Lightsaber forms. Caedus got choked out by Luke, it's obvious he can't compare with a badass that kills guards with telekinesis

Didn't Caedus know all the styles of lightsaber combat, trained by Luke? Well Luke is the most powerful force weilder of all time with the exception of the ones and the bedlam spirits. Caedus was able to take on the battlemaster of the order along with 3 other Jedi masters IIRC and handle them easily, able to take on Jaina Solo while injured and while she had aide from Luke. All of this definitely is more than Bane has ever accomplished with the blade.

>Bedlams Spirits

>Force Users

Bane can kill guards, Tukata, and fight evenly with Kas'im who is a master of sparring and can break down doors with telekinesis. Caedus's Lightsaber form is unknown, and it's likely Kas'im already knows it and can outduel him. Caedus has never beaten anyone as skilled as Kas'im

Originally posted by carthage
Caedus has never beaten anyone as skilled as Kas'im

Neither did Bane