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Who wins this battle? Takes place in the Tomb of Naga Sadow on Yavin IV. The fight can continue outside, but the entrance is guarded by a swarm of Sadow's alchemically-enhanced Massassi which are hostile to all.

Team Vader

Might side team 1 here.

Bump.

Originally posted by Trocity
Might side team 1 here.

Mmm.... any reasons for that (or any opinion on this battle)?

On the strength of Nadd. Ommin, a dude who was dominating the population of Onderon and poisoning its atmosphere with the dark side of the force, possessed a portion of Spirit Nadd's power. I'd wager peak physical Nadd could be able to potentially defeat either of his combatants, whilst Muur could match them. Or maybe not.

Just power isn't going to get you a win, bro.

Nadd is an incredibly gifted sorcerer, one of the best of all time. Said to know every technique. He's also apparently a massively prolific Jedi killer.

@Sunrazer

....Ok? Nadd and Muur are infinitely more skilled than Traya and The Exile, the latter of whom can master lightsaber forms through mere observation, and the former of whom was apparently the latter's equal, as far as battle is concerned. I'd wager they're skilled enough to at least hold their own, and in Muur's case, power is definitely enough to get you a win anyways.

I'm aware.

Nowhere is it stated he knows every technique, lmfao.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm aware.

Nowhere is it stated he knows every technique, lmfao.

"Freedon Nadd has knowledge of all Jedi and Sith Force powers presented herein as well as those abilities still hidden in ancient Holocrons and tomes."

Yes, and that's not every technique. There are techniques that were never recorded in Holocrons and tomes and which weren't counted in the TotJ Companion.

Well, I personally don't take it as literally every technique, lmfao.

Force Storm tho.

Obviously.

Well, since Muur > Vong Krayt, the case needs to be made for Vader > Nadd. Somebody make it!

Unless.....Muur takes on Vader

Muur confirmed > Vader too fite me

Muur is a monster, yeah. Just read your respect thread 3 times in the past 15 minutes.

Does Muur knock into your top 10 Sith? :mmm:

Probably. Why not?

Nadd and Muur. Nadd is far more powerful than Naga Sadow (who could kill armies of Massassi), knows every technique, killed more Jedi than any Lightsaber (Eat your heart out, Hord) and his spirit was doing things like causing cave collapses and what-not. And yeah Ommin and Amanoa were drawing power from him, the latter was only using his Sarcophagus. In the flesh he would have been too OP4me.

Muur's spirit was said to be stronger than both Vader and Krayt and was compared to Nadd. Although Vader did get stronger later on. But yeah, these two should handle Vader.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Probably. Why not?

I'm not fighting that. Ancients > Modern Bitches tho

I'm sure Nadd really shot a bunch of Jedi. Must be proof of his OPness given the item description of a blaster.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm not fighting that. Ancients > Modern Bitches tho

Well, by feats and accolades, he makes it in, IMO.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Just read your respect thread 3 times in the past 15 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtzOtLvnK9c&t=0m15s

Ant....I'm back.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, since Muur > Vong Krayt, the case needs to be made for Vader > Nadd. Somebody make it!

Mmm, I think a powerscaling argument could be made for Vader, and the best part of it is that it would refer to Vader just one year or so into his suit.

Go ahead. I'm all ears.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Go ahead. I'm all ears.

Ahem, being far more powerful than guys with feats like containing planet razing artifacts.

What?

Also, Nadd's far, far more powerful than people who poison planets in the Force.

Muur is stronger than either of them and I am willing to bet Nadd is too.

Originally posted by SunRazer
What?

Also, Nadd's far, far more powerful than people who poison planets in the Force.

Are you talking about the sorceress of Ambria? She was using a ritual, which she was unable to control, and she died.

Vader, long before his prime is regarded as far more powerful than Kar Vastor, who well exceeds Mace (by the latter's own admission, though the gap in power is partially explained by that happening on a nexus), someone who is more powerful than council members with feats like the one I mentioned. You know what it means? That Vader is hugely more powerful than any Council member, except for Yoda.

And tearing planets as big as Coruscant apart (via Force energy)>poisoning them.

1. No, I'm talking about Ommin. The Sorceress of Ambria has nothing to do with Nadd.

2. If Yarael Poof is the one you're referencing, then lol. He had to kill himself so that the Infant of Shaa didn't activate, and that in no way suggests he's comparably powerful either, since, IIRC, he was just sealing the crack (or whatever).

Also, that logic kind of falls apart when you see Vader's performance against lesser Jedi like Roan Shryne and so on, and when you realize that none of the Jedi Council are actually planetary-level in Force power.

JC members are at best city-ocean level, only seniors like Thon and Yoda surpass that.

I don't think powerscaling arguments alone determine Vader's superiority over Nadd either, considering Nadd is suggested to be in a similar tier of power as somebody that Vader ranked above himself.