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EMS Madara

Hokage Kakashi
Raikage Darui
Mizukage Choujurou
Tsuchikage Kurotsuchi
Kazekage Gaara

R2: Madara gets Kurama

R3: Rikudo Madara, one eye; replace Kakashi with Hokage Naruto.

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Is that a fact?

So apparently some of the current Kages are weaker individually than their predecessors, but as a team they're better than the Gokage that fought ET Madara. I'd say they can scrape something from rounds 1 & 2, but they get slaughtered in round 3.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Is that a fact?

None of them really have an answer to Complete Body - Susanoo, so if Madara brings that out, it's game over.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So apparently some of the current Kages are weaker individually than their predecessors,

That's my interpretation of it, yeah; Kurotsuchi in particular doesn't really hold up to her grandfather's name. He was easily the MVP of the Old!Gokage, and she's arguably the weakest of the New!Gen. Then again, she's still probably(?) stronger than Mei...



I think so.



How?



Honestly if the Old!Gokage hadn't completely exhausted their power before he unleashed it, they would have fared better. Remember that the Third Raikage and 4th Kazekage alone could battle Tailed Beasts one on one, and that Oonoki could create Particle Cubes of sizes that rival P.S itself. It makes little sense that 5 on 1, Shinobi of that level couldn't compete with the equivalent of F.P Kurama Mode.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's my interpretation of it, yeah; Kurotsuchi in particular doesn't really hold up to her grandfather's name. He was easily the MVP of the Old!Gokage, and she's arguably the weakest of the New!Gen. Then again, she's still probably(?) stronger than Mei...

Mei was pretty versatile.

What about Darui?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
How?

Limbo. No one from the other side can sense it.

Rikudou Madara still has Mokuton and all of the other stuff, even if he didn't make much use of it.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Honestly if the Old!Gokage hadn't completely exhausted their power before he unleashed it, they would have fared better. Remember that the Third Raikage and 4th Kazekage alone could battle Tailed Beasts one on one, and that Oonoki could create Particle Cubes of sizes that rival P.S itself. It makes little sense that 5 on 1, Shinobi of that level couldn't compete with the equivalent of F.P Kurama Mode.

They would definitely have fared better, but they would still have been outmatched imo. Madara was not serious for most of the fight.
But what in your opinion can the Gokage (current) do against Complete Body - Susanoo?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Mei was pretty versatile.

I'd argue that Kurotsuchi is moreso. On top of her mastery of Earth/Fire/Water natures, her Caustic Style can be used for both attack and restraining very effectively. On top of that, her Genjutsu is noted as a talent she's specifically prolific in by the time she's selected as the 4th Tsuchikage. She also seems to be very quick/adaptable in Taijutsu/such... For example, in Kinshiki's final assault, he takes her out of the game with a powerful blow; but as she's blown away, she's able to pierce all of his vitals with Kunai. She strikes me as the figure who uses cunning and precision in combat over brawn.



Darui strikes me as pretty strong. As always he's primarily a swordsman, and his speed and strength seem to stand out amongst the Kage more than anything else. Of course, he still retains powerful Water/Lightning style combos, and don't forget that he possesses the Black Lightning style--which even A wasn't permitted to use.

Now do I think he's stronger than A? No, his physicals don't quite stack up to the enhancement of Lightning Armor and Lightning Transportation. But he's much stronger than his former self, and his fighting style is more adaptable and suited to team-play than A's. He functions well as the brawn of the Gokage.

Honestly, Choujirou is the Kage that has stood out in terms of personal improvement.



True, but the technique isn't invincible. I think they could catch on to the fact that it relies on a cooldown system and deal with it in a similar manner to Deva Pain.



Maybe. It's worth noting that Madara and Obito couldn't use their MS techniques after becoming the Ten Tails' Jinchuuriki.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'd argue that Kurotsuchi is moreso. On top of her mastery of Earth/Fire/Water natures, her Caustic Style can be used for both attack and restraining very effectively. On top of that, her Genjutsu is noted as a talent she's specifically prolific in by the time she's selected as the 4th Tsuchikage. She also seems to be very quick/adaptable in Taijutsu/such... For example, in Kinshiki's final assault, he takes her out of the game with a powerful blow; but as she's blown away, she's able to pierce all of his vitals with Kunai. She strikes me as the figure who uses cunning and precision in combat over brawn.

Okay, she does seem to be more versatile than Mei then. She's good with Genjutsu?
Mei was pretty much a Ninjutsu (Fire/Lightning/Earth/Water + Lava/Boil) specialist, and she's more versatile there. Apparently she uses Water release to stop meteorite chunks.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Darui strikes me as pretty strong. As always he's primarily a swordsman, and his speed and strength seem to stand out amongst the Kage more than anything else. Of course, he still retains powerful Water/Lightning style combos, and don't forget that he possesses the Black Lightning style--which even A wasn't permitted to use.

Now do I think he's stronger than A? No, his physicals don't quite stack up to the enhancement of Lightning Armor and Lightning Transportation. But he's much stronger than his former self, and his fighting style is more adaptable and suited to team-play than A's. He functions well as the brawn of the Gokage.

Honestly, Choujirou is the Kage that has stood out in terms of personal improvement.

Yeah, I always thought that he was more versatile than A, but not as good in terms of physical stats.
Are you comparing Darui to all of the Kage, or the Kage sans Naruto?

How has Choujirou improved?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
True, but the technique isn't invincible. I think they could catch on to the fact that it relies on a cooldown system and deal with it in a similar manner to Deva Pain.

Naruto's there. He knows Limbo has a duration, but he won't know how long it can be active, and they cannot perceive it. Only way they'll be able to tell if its active is if someone gets hit. And I'd wager that's not a good thing since it can knockdown Bijuus.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Maybe. It's worth noting that Madara and Obito couldn't use their MS techniques after becoming the Ten Tails' Jinchuuriki.

I don't know if they couldn't. While Obito couldn't use the 'intangibility' aspect of his Kamui, Madara had no trouble using Kamui to teleport. Madara also didn't bother with any Sharingan techs after he got his right Rinnegan from Zetsu, unless he needed to.

In rounds 1 and 2, Madara utterly skull-phucks the team. Kakashi, when he became Hokage for the first time was fairly novice at using Kamui, which would be his only feasible offense against Madara, who is simply too fast and has too many counters for it to be effective. If this is Kakashi when he became Hokage for the second time, then it goes even worse for the team, as Kakashi lost his sharingan PERIOD, which means he lost all his copied jutsu, lost all the advantages gained from sharingan(genjutsu invulnerability, taijutsu prediction, chakra sense, etc.), and most importantly, his ability to effectively use the Raikiri.

The third team has a definite chance, simply because of the addition of Hokage Naruto. Hokage Naruto in his Biju mode was arguably equivalent to Asura mode Naruto, making him strong enough to contend with characters like Kaguya. This alone puts him far above Rikudo Madara. Not to mention that this Naruto also has sage mode, meaning he would be able to sense Madara's limbo, as he did while in Asura mode. Not to mention he would have the stopping power to put Madara down with a few well placed hits.

There's one thing I don't like about this thread though. Three of the five characters involved with the team are complete unknowns. We have no idea how strong Darui, Choujirou, Kurotsuchi, or even Gaara were, at the very end of the series. Hell, all we know about Kakashi even is that he was MUCH weaker at the end of the series, from losing his sharingan.

This thread is just weird to me. Why not use the Kage's we've seen in action, during their primes?

Kakashi merely *almost* became Hokage when he had Kamui.

Hokage Kakashi lacked sharingan at all. While his ninjutsu and endurance had improved, we saw how stuff like clone with lightning blade between him and the original worked well vs biju, he's still merely a versatile ninjutsu person lacking hax this way.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's my interpretation of it, yeah; Kurotsuchi in particular doesn't really hold up to her grandfather's name. He was easily the MVP of the Old!Gokage, and she's arguably the weakest of the New!Gen. Then again, she's still probably(?) stronger than Mei...


Stronger than Mei? Keep in mind that Terumi was the one canceling out all of Madara's fire jutsu with one-seal water dragons.

She didn't get to use her kekkei genkai much, but they're pretty good too. Her acid is, alas, poor for a team setting, but lava is good for offense and trapping.

Nah.



Heh, nah.



Nah. Again.



We see them fight in Boruto.

Sage Mode can't sense Limbo but Naruto's evil sensory can: it's how he was able to dodge a strike from Limbo and create clones to fight them.

The problem is that Naruto is the only one that can actually affect the Limbo clones and I'm not sure he can handle that and meteors, goudama, IT.

Naruto could sense and affect Limbo clones because of Hagoromo's chakra. Before the Hagoromo ex Machina, he & Kurama were as dumbfounded as the other Bijuu were when Madara used Limbo.