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All Out

ROTJ Vader
TPM Maul
Peak Wrath II
Kun gets amulets

Who wins?

Kun > Vader
Wrath = Maul

Originally posted by AncientPower
Wrath = Maul

Disgusting

I am being diplomatic.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I am being diplomatic.
There is only one way to defeat the PT Brigade. Slaughter of the innocent, mercilessly and without compromise.

Well, we could also have the Wrath holding off Vader whilst Kun destroys Maul in the Force, so I see team 1 winning more often than not.

The Wrath can't hold of Vader when he gets absolutely destroyed by Revan.

Revan is also comfortably more powerful than ol' respirator imo.

Your opinion is wrong, but even if it wasn't, Vader still has far more and consistent showings in TK.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, we could also have the Wrath holding off Vader whilst Kun destroys Maul in the Force, so I see team 1 winning more often than not.

Pretty shitty, logic, tbh.
Vader would destroy the Wrath with the Force, if Kun destroys Maul with it, and possibly at a quicker pace.

Opinion cannot be wrong, A statement can be.

Revan barely being defeated by the protag strike team collectively and then still being capable of defeating the entire all-star team if not for amps/spirit aid is a far greater showing of power against other Force Users than Vader can compare to.

Against large arrays of far inferior Force Users Vader has been overwhelmed. Revan took on two far better groups of Force Users back to back and was barely defeated on both occasions.

Revan's SoR feats put him clear above Vader's tier IMO.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Pretty shitty, logic, tbh.
Vader would destroy the Wrath with the Force, if Kun destroys Maul with it, and possibly at a quicker pace.

Like Vader destroyed far lesser opponents with the Force? Wrath isn't being destroyed at all, he isn't winning but Wrath could give Vader a seriously tough fight. Conversely Kun can incapacitate Maul easily if he chooses to.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Opinion cannot be wrong, A statement can be.

Revan barely being defeated by the protag strike team collectively and then still being capable of defeating the entire all-star team if not for amps/spirit aid is a far greater showing of power against other Force Users than Vader can compare to.

Against large arrays of far inferior Force Users Vader has been overwhelmed. Revan took on two far better groups of Force Users back to back and was barely defeated on both occasions.

Revan's SoR feats put him clear above Vader's tier IMO.

Hold up. You're saying Vader can't destroy the Wrath like Revan would have because Revan > Vader, and your proof for Revan > Vader is that he would have destroyed the wrath pretty easily...... Well ok then

Revan is clearly above Vader and Wrath by quite a degree, Vader does not however maintain a Force superiority over the Wrath anywhere near as large. Vader isn't destroying Wrath kek.

Why? Because obviously Revan is superior. Why is he obviously superior? Because Vader is obviously so inferior.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Wrath can't hold of Vader when he gets absolutely destroyed by Revan. Disappointing.

#SWTOR asks more than enough from me. They aren't getting this.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
#SWTOR asks more than enough from me. They aren't getting this. Do you have peak Maul so far above Wrath that you think he quickly gets destroyed by Vader when Maul doesn't?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Wrath can't hold of Vader when he gets absolutely destroyed by Revan.

Vader's been held off by considerably lesser than the Wrath.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vader's been held off by considerably lesser than the Wrath.

Not when Vader starts to abuse the Force, LAWL. Jax Pavan is someone who hurls entire space shuttles, and deflects telekinetic repulses that utterly pulverized some of the most powerful Darksiders in the galaxy, and Vader completely dominates his physical form with telekinesis. Thing is though - Vader isn't actually an abuser of Force power, as he more of a straight duelist than a Force Warrior like Revan. Hence, him not outright crushing people when he very well could.

And for what it's worth, Kun has been held off by less than Maul, tbf.

^^ The above is for AP as well. Don't feel like typing out two responses for the same redundant shit.

There's no guarantee Kun would choose to destroy Maul with the Force off the bat either. He has a habit of taking on worthy swordsmen at their own game.

I'd give a slight edge to team 1 either way, Kun is the undeniable MVP, even if Wrath is the poorest combatant here.

Your wank of Kun is admirable, but your hatred against the Wrath is most displeasing. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif

Wrath is easily the third most powerful person here. I mean he can't move in the blink of an eye or anything, and his body isn't water, but I think he can edge out.

Maul is left neglected and battered yet again

Originally posted by ILS
Kun is the undeniable MVP

Undeniable, LAWL. When Kun is > Yoda like Vader, come talk to me.

Imma support this stance because it's Vader and therefore better.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Undeniable, LAWL. When Kun is > Yoda like Vader, come talk to me.

Yet at the same time Luke found Kun to be Vader's better http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif

Is that why he got defeated by a bunch of trainees?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yet at the same time Luke found Kun to be Vader's better http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif

Luke is all over the place with his opinions during that time period he thought, Yoda, Kyp, and Obi-Wan > Palpatine. I just love using short-bus quotes from characters....and Luke in particular is known for them. Especially pre-prequel era.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Is that why he got defeated by a bunch of trainees?

Unlike Vader who got beat by one slightly-above trainee http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif

Luke wasn't a trainee. He was a Jedi Knight, you heathen.

Jedi Knights can still be trainees. Ask "Darth" Bane, for example. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif

Absolutely disgusting.

Given that this is TPM Maul and Kun has his amulets......

I would say none of these fights end quickly, though I'm not entirely sure on who would fall first, either Maul or Vader fall before their/or their partner's adversary. Leading to a 2v1 which neither can win.

Team Kun.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Undeniable, LAWL. When Kun is > Yoda like Vader, come talk to me.

Actuallt, Vader was compared to Yoda, not regarded as his superior.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Actuallt, Vader was compared to Yoda, not regarded as his superior.
Not really, LAWL. Vader was flat-out stated to be able to beat Yoda.

Where?

Exar Kun was stated and implied to be better than Vader on three different occasions. Exar Kun's spirit amped Kyp Durron beyond JA!Luke completely.

Yoda > Kun.

Vader > Yoda.

Vader > Yoda > Kun.

Also those sources that say Kun > Vader come from the same period where Yoda and Obi-Wan were believed to be superior to Palatine and Vader; they're outdated as ****, as their power level weren't nearly as established and expounded upon as they're now.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Where?

Probably in those comics that say that Qui-Gon > Yoda too. And Fisto > Maul.

If that is the source DC is going to provide, I'll genuinely shit my pants in laughter.

What if I told you it is? :>

>Implying I was ever serious with Vader > Yoda, LAWL.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yoda > Kun.

Vader > Yoda.

Vader > Yoda > Kun.

Also those sources that say Kun > Vader come from the same period where Yoda and Obi-Wan were believed to be superior to Palatine and Vader; they're outdated as ****, as their power level weren't nearly as established and expounded upon as they're now.

Please provided sources for Vader > Yoda kek.

Meanwhile we have without a doubt:

Kun >>> Muur > Vader.

We also know for a fact Kun is more knowledgeable of the Dark Side than Vader was.

We also have Physical!Kun > Spirit!Kun > DS!Durron > JA!Luke >/= ROTJ!Vader.

Not to mention Luke himself comparing Kun to Palpatine directly.

That's legit the dumbest thing you've ever said, AP.

Feel free to attempt to correct me.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Meanwhile we have without a doubt:

Kun >>> Muur > Vader.

We also know for a fact Kun is more knowledgeable of the Dark Side than Vader was.

We also have Physical!Kun > Spirit!Kun > DS!Durron > JA!Luke >/= ROTJ!Vader.

Not to mention Luke himself comparing Kun to Palpatine directly.
http://i.imgur.com/Ec2TVI1.gif

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....I'll get to that laughable post tomorrow, LAWL.

I'm actually very curious to see what your answers will be to AP's post.

Probably links to local mental health clinics.

Sinious, you're actually endorsing that shit?

What exactly the **** did I state so incorrectly? All I am seeing is butthurt from the Kun naysayers.

Originally posted by AncientPower
without a doubt:

Kun >>> Muur

http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/3024136639.gif

Dat be tru tho.

Kun is the most powerful ancient bar Valkorion, he's more powerful than Nadd whom is far more powerful than Naga Sadow.

And is there any reason to assume Sadow or Nadd are superior to Muur?

Not Sadow, because Muur like Nadd is supposedly stronger than him, which supports that Nadd, Ragnos and Muur are supposed to be on the same tier. Exar Kun himself is stronger than all three of them.

>>> is a little http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif, though.

I guess I over-reached, what about '>>' kek. ILS and myself shall make this clear soon enough.

I dunno. Being > Muur in and of itself is utterly insane, kek.

Well I mean that is what sources state, Kun was the most powerful Ancient Sith. His being > Nadd -whom shares Muur's tier- before his prime, is only greater indication. Plus Kun's implied living power compared to his spirit's is crazy enough in the first place. His spirit corrupting Kyp to on/beyond Vader tier is crazy, his spirit still being a lot more powerful than DS!Kyp even by that point is crazy.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Sinious, you're actually endorsing that shit? AP and Skillz have made me entertain the idea of having Kun so high tbh. I'm just waiting to see if someone can refute these arguments. If they're so absurd, go for it and be the hero.

I'm not going to debate AP, DC's doing that, and I've never been keen on ganging up to prove a point. And for the record, SKILLZ is right below AP laughing at him. Ranking Kun high was by far the least retarded thing said there.

I'm specifically interested in this tbh:

Which is still retarded.

No it is not, but me and ILS will have that cleared up in due time.

ILS doesn't believe that, kek

You know nothing Ant.