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why tf is this still a thing?

I'm pretty sure everyone, particularly people in government who have the power to disavow National holidays, know what a heinous person Christopher Columbus was... seriously, the guy was arguably worse than Hitler and anyone associated with ISIS. So why are we still (or ever in the first place) dedicating a day to this guy?

LMAO. Piss off, commie. Columbus was a hero.

Who celebrated it, though? Literally the only things I saw were about what a jackhole he really was. No one had the day off of work, etc. It's basically a non-holiday at this point.

Also, I'm not a huge fan of the Oatmeal, but they did a great job encapsulating all of the bad stuff:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

Worth a read.

For what it's worth, those who brand him a hero generally just don't know about the bad stuff. And the virtues they do prop are aren't so bad. Granted, knowledge is a good thing and dedicating a day to him is definitely ill-advised. But he's basically just a folk hero at this point. The details don't really matter. So any deification of him, so to speak, is somewhat benign. I have a hard time getting as worked up over it as some do, because it's not like those observing the holiday are into the slave trade or something. It's a reasonable hope to teach about who he really was, but a victimless act to observe a holiday, however ill-advised it may be.

tbf, i didn't use the word celebrate.

People getting the day off of work or throwing bbq's or whatever isn't really relevant, the fact that we have a day specifically dedicated to memorialize his "contributions" is what's troubling.

Originally posted by Digi
For what it's worth, those who brand him a hero generally just don't know about the bad stuff. And the virtues they do prop are aren't so bad. Granted, knowledge is a good thing and dedicating a day to him is definitely ill-advised. But he's basically just a folk hero at this point. The details don't really matter. So any deification of him, so to speak, is somewhat benign. I have a hard time getting as worked up over it as some do, because it's not like those observing the holiday are into the slave trade or something. It's a reasonable hope to teach about who he really was, but a victimless act to observe a holiday, however ill-advised it may be. heh, i don't know how victimless it is, though. Maybe to you or I it's not a big deal, but for anyone with a Native American blood line, I'm pretty sure it's a sore spot to be reminded of his "legacy".

I don't think David Duke Day would go over too well. Nor would Gaddafi Day, or Jeffrey Dahmer Day, etc.

Agreed. I just feel like it's one of those non-holidays that would die off if we just let it alone. Instead I get to see my social media feed blow up with how horrible he was, and see the equally vehement backlash of people who somehow need to defend him for who knows what reason.

To me, that's not really better than being like "Oh, Monday happened." Needless outrage is at least 25% of the issues on the internet. The whole thing was born of ignorance, not maliciousness, so there's no one in particular to be mad at even.

That said, if I'm voting, it's for getting rid of it. I get that I'm not in the demographic that could legitimately feel angry at it, so it's worth getting rid of for their sake, especially since there seems to be no other benefit to having it.

I'm going to enjoy me some turkey today! Praise Columbus! The discoverer of America! The only man who had the guts to prove to the rest of the world that the earth was round instead of flat! Anyone who thinks he wasn't a hero is a communist (or a liberal, of course). Pure and simple.

Originally posted by Star428
I'm going to enjoy me some turkey today! Praise Columbus! The discoverer of America! The only man who had the guts to prove to the rest of the world that the earth was round instead of flat! Anyone who thinks he wasn't a hero is a communist (or a liberal, of course).

Basically none of that is true. Take a quick gander at the link I posted. Everyone already knew the world was round, others had discovered America before him, and he was responsible for the unjust deaths and enslavement of a bunch of people.

Also, something about false idols, etc. etc. Somewhere, a golden calf is being raised in effigy.

Originally posted by Digi
Basically none of that is true. Take a quick gander at the link I posted. Everyone already knew the world was round, others had discovered America before him, and he was responsible for the unjust deaths and enslavement of a bunch of people.

Also, something about false idols, etc. etc. Somewhere, a golden calf is being raised in effigy.

You are my golden calf and Im going to stuff you.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You are my golden calf and Im going to stuff you. kinky.

Originally posted by Digi
Basically none of that is true. Take a quick gander at the link I posted. Everyone already knew the world was round, others had discovered America before him, and he was responsible for the unjust deaths and enslavement of a bunch of people.

The last part is actually giving Columbus too much credit. The guy was a merchant salesman without too little influence to impose enslavement to a foreign region. Sure, his actions led the Spanish Crown to an all out invasion, but that's hardly his responsability since we wasn't the king to begin with.

Spain could've been gracious and open to trade with the civilizations in place, theoretically.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You are my golden calf and Im going to stuff you.




I love hearing libs b**** and moan about things that they have no power to change. Anything they don't like, I enjoy that much more than I already did. I already had great respect for the discoverer of America but now I will respect him even more! Think I will buy myself a framed picture or even statue of Columbus. He's now one of my all-time favorite heroes. Thanks, libs!

Originally posted by Bentley
The last part is actually giving Columbus too much credit. The guy was a merchant salesman without too little influence to impose enslavement to a foreign region. Sure, his actions led the Spanish Crown to an all out invasion, but that's hardly his responsability since we wasn't the king to begin with.

Spain could've been gracious and open to trade with the civilizations in place, theoretically.

Conceded. Though in fairness, I was just summarizing in very broad strokes so that Star could ignore it and respond to the hyper-liberal bogeymen his mind has turned us into.

He's basically trolling at this point, tbh.

And it's mostly ignorance why Columbas Day is still a thing.

Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. Piss off, commie. Columbus was a hero.
Maybe. Maybe not.

But Leif Erikson got here first and really, thats all that matters.

Wait why is Columbus worse then Hitler?

Originally posted by Digi
Also, I'm not a huge fan of the Oatmeal, but they did a great job encapsulating all of the bad stuff:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

Worth a read.

Dang. I knew he was bad but didn't know he was that terrible.

Originally posted by marwash22
why tf is this still a thing?

I'm pretty sure everyone, particularly people in government who have the power to disavow National holidays, know what a heinous person Christopher Columbus was... seriously, the guy was arguably worse than Hitler and anyone associated with ISIS. So why are we still (or ever in the first place) dedicating a day to this guy?

People like pirates?

Considering that I still see "Columbus Day" on my calendar and it's still recognized as a holiday I'd say that you people are in the minority regarding on whether Columbus was a hero or not. Not me.

TIL: Calendars > Actual History

Originally posted by Surtur
Wait why is Columbus worse then Hitler? Hitler is an all time terrible person, obviously, and i said he was arguably worse than Hitler and ISIS members... I'm not gonna disagree with anyone who says Columbus is the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th worst person of all time, the point is that, this is company he's in.

I only highlight Columbus because he (still) has a day dedicated to him, even though we know about the terrible things he personally did... like bragging about how he was able to break the spirit of Native American women by continuously raping them into submission. Like Hitler, he burned people alive... but worse ("worse" being subjective, of course) than Hitler, when his slaves tried to escape, he sicked dogs on them, captured them, then cut their hands off and made their children wear them around their necks.

the dude was a straight up movie villain.

Why are people mad at Colombus now?

lol. nobody is mad at him, he's been dead... for a while.

I'm just confused as to why this crap is still a thing.

Prolly cause it's on the calander until Obama signs an executive order to get rid of it.

Originally posted by Star428
Considering that I still see "Columbus Day" on my calendar and it's still recognized as a holiday I'd say that you people are in the minority regarding on whether Columbus was a hero or not. Not me.

Leif Erikson was first, and is celebrated first. So nyah.

It will be replaces with ObamaDay!


and the streets will run red.

Originally posted by marwash22
why tf is this still a thing?

I'm pretty sure everyone, particularly people in government who have the power to disavow National holidays, know what a heinous person Christopher Columbus was... seriously, the guy was arguably worse than Hitler and anyone associated with ISIS. So why are we still (or ever in the first place) dedicating a day to this guy?
Those uncivilized Indians were not evolved enough culturally to handle our weapons or physically to handle our germs.

Its like when homo sapiens came in contact with Neanderthals. The more evolved species won.
Darwinism in action!

Those indian savages taught us to plant corn with fish you dildo!

Originally posted by marwash22
Hitler is an all time terrible person, obviously, and i said he was arguably worse than Hitler and ISIS members... I'm not gonna disagree with anyone who says Columbus is the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th worst person of all time, the point is that, this is company he's in.

I only highlight Columbus because he (still) has a day dedicated to him, even though we know about the terrible things he personally did... like bragging about how he was able to break the spirit of Native American women by continuously raping them into submission. Like Hitler, he burned people alive... but worse ("worse" being subjective, of course) than Hitler, when his slaves tried to escape, he sicked dogs on them, captured them, then cut their hands off and made their children wear them around their necks.

the dude was a straight up movie villain.

The things Hitler did(or the things he had people do) are actually..well, making kids wear chopped off hands is sort of meh compared to some of the shit the Nazi's in general did.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Those indian savages taught us to plant corn with fish you dildo!
Eventually, someone will be too evoled(aliens?) for even us to deal with and I can only hope they are as merciful as we were.

Also, corn sucks and is useless. It gets stuck in your teeth.

The indians gave us companies like Monsanto and things lik High fructose corn syrup.

Saboteurs.

There is a store a few blocks from my house with a giant indian on top of it. I swear to god:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YMG5u4LbdzM/UcjmGMvF5QI/AAAAAAAAAEc/tPd1ERlerRo/s400/10Mar12_West+Lawn_078-EDITORIAL-Blog.jpg

I see that thing everyday. I mean..yeah..they put glasses on it.

LoL, white-people.

Originally posted by Surtur
There is a store a few blocks from my house with a giant indian on top of it. I swear to god:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YMG5u4LbdzM/UcjmGMvF5QI/AAAAAAAAAEc/tPd1ERlerRo/s400/10Mar12_West+Lawn_078-EDITORIAL-Blog.jpg

I see that thing everyday.

I bet that store is owned by Indians.

Originally posted by Surtur
The things Hitler did(or the things he had people do) are actually..well, making kids wear chopped off hands is sort of meh compared to some of the shit the Nazi's in general did. sure. that's why i said i wouldn't argue if someone wants to say Hitler is #1.

Imo, while ordering people to commit atrocities is (obviously) terrible, doing them first-hand, like Columbus, is worse.

Years ago the place used to be a cigar shop or something..at least there was a shred more dignity with that.

Originally posted by Surtur
Years ago the place used to be a cigar shop or something..at least there was a shred more dignity with that.

You been in there?

Originally posted by Surtur
There is a store a few blocks from my house with a giant indian on top of it. I swear to god:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YMG5u4LbdzM/UcjmGMvF5QI/AAAAAAAAAEc/tPd1ERlerRo/s400/10Mar12_West+Lawn_078-EDITORIAL-Blog.jpg

I see that thing everyday. I mean..yeah..they put glasses on it.
It looks drunk.

Its representing.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, white-people.
Didn't you claim to be white? Also, Latin? Basically, you inherited their guilt. I think reparations should be taken directly from your monthly tortilla budget.

He did, he claimed to caucasian, but then says that applies to hispanics too.

Basically he's whatever color/race he needs to be at any given moment.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He did, he claimed to caucasian, but then says that applies to hispanics too.

Basically he's whatever color/race he needs to be at any given moment.
He's a shapeshifting reptilian like the pope and Barbra Streisand.

WELL **** ALL

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Why are people mad at Colombus now?



Because he discovered America? LOL...



Seriously though, I've already said pretty much all I'm going to say about how people keep crying how the poor Native Americans "have been wronged" in a recent thread and I really don't care to repeat all of that shit over again. Especially not for a bunch of ****ing libs who troll people like you and me every chance they get and whose only "standards" are double standards.




I sure as Hell don't have to justify to people whom I consider lower than dog s*** (libs) why I respect the person who discovered our nation. That's ****ing ridiculous. If anything, they're the ones that need to justify why they're so ****ing ungrateful to Columbus and our founding Fathers. They seem to hate anyone that had anything to do with the birth of the United States. They're the ones who think it's ok to kill unborn babies and let evil murdering bastards live out their lives peacefully; then they have the nerve to try and make ME feel like the guilty one for respecting the person who discovered America? LMAO. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. LIbs are so damn backwards it's pathetic. I would feel so sorry for them if I didn't hate them so god**** much.


I've said this before: God**** liberalism is a disease that needs to be eradicated before it infects even more true Americans and turns them into the poor excuse for ones that liberals are.

Originally posted by Star428
Because he discovered America? LOL...



Seriously though, I've already said pretty much all I'm going to say about how people keep crying how the poor Native Americans "have been wronged" in a recent thread and I really don't care to repeat all of that shit over again. Especially not for a bunch of ****ing libs who troll people like you and me every chance they get and whose only "standards" are double standards.




I sure as Hell don't have to justify to people whom I consider lower than dog s*** (libs) why I respect the person who discovered our nation. That's ****ing ridiculous. If anything, they're the ones that need to justify why they're so ****ing ungrateful to Columbus and our founding Fathers. They seem to hate anyone that had anything to do with the birth of the United States. They're the ones who think it's ok to kill unborn babies and let evil murdering bastards live out their lives peacefully; then they have the nerve to try and make ME feel like the guilty one for respecting the person who discovered America? LMAO. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. LIbs are so damn backwards it's pathetic. I would feel so sorry for them if I didn't hate them so much.


I've said this before: God**** liberalism is a disease that needs to be eradicated before it infects even more true Americans and turns them into the poor excuse for ones that liberals are.
He didn't discover America. Some Vikings got here before him. Hell, there's evidence that western people actually got here before Indians.

Its the usual, destroy of shame the past because you were not technically there.

Easy to do, not so easy to get people to believe you..

Originally posted by long pig
He didn't discover America. Some Vikings got here before him. Hell, there's evidence that western people actually got here before Indians.

I'm sure the Vikings were great to the indians.

Here are some interesting myths and facts.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Here are some interesting myths and facts.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html
White settlers didn't kill the indians off?

Im kinda bummed about that.

Originally posted by long pig
He didn't discover America. Some Vikings got here before him. Hell, there's evidence that western people actually got here before Indians.



IF Columbus didn't discover America and he wasn't the one who discovered that world was round then why in the **** do we even celebrate Columbus Day? Seems to me that it should be taken off the calendar if he didn't do anything worthwhile.

we celebrate many holidays based on bronze-age fairy tales, so why not?

Originally posted by Star428
IF Columbus didn't discover America and he wasn't the one who discovered that world was round then why in the **** do we even celebrate Columbus Day?
I agree.

I guess the Spanish people need something to be proud of.

oh, are we trolling italians today?

Originally posted by long pig
Didn't you claim to be white? Also, Latin? Basically, you inherited their guilt. I think reparations should be taken directly from your monthly tortilla budget.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He did, he claimed to caucasian, but then says that applies to hispanics too.

Basically he's whatever color/race he needs to be at any given moment.

Fun Fact: One can be Caucasian and Hispanic. TMYK

Originally posted by Star428
IF Columbus didn't discover America and he wasn't the one who discovered that world was round then why in the **** do we even celebrate Columbus Day?

Because a group signed enough petitions about 70 years ago, and the government didn't do its research before deciding it was a good idea.

This isn't a political thing, much as you'd like to make it one. We're teaching history wrong and glorifying an objectively terrible person. It's a human and education issue, not a liberal/conservative one.

Originally posted by long pig
I agree.

I guess the Spanish people need something to be proud of.



I thought Columbus was Italian but his crew were spanish.

Originally posted by Star428
I thought Columbus was Italian but his crew were spanish.
Pretty sure he was Spanish.

Columbus no habla Guido, bro.

Originally posted by long pig
Pretty sure he was Spanish.

Columbus no habla Guido, bro.



According to wiki, he was born in Italy but died in Spain:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus



I checked other sources too. Some list him as a Spanish explorer others as an Italian. He was originally from Italy but he did exploration missions for the Spanish. That's why some people think of him as a spanish explorer.

Originally posted by Star428
According to wiki, he was born in Italy but died in Spain:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus



I checked other sources too. Some list him as a Spanish explorer others as an Italian. He was originally from Italy but he did exploration missions for the Spanish. That's why some people think of him as a spanish explorer.
Agree to disagree.

Funny how they have turned Columbus into a white person when he was from Italy

LOL. OK, long pig.

When all else fails blame Americans for killing Indians when it was the the Italians.

We've turned Jesus into a white guy too in many modern depictions. Is it any wonder we do the same to Columbus?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Funny how they have turned Columbus into a white person when he was from Italy

Italians are Caucasians, you racist.

Ah technically, but are they Anglo-Saxon?

Don't get mad now

Originally posted by Digi
We've turned Jesus into a white guy too in many modern depictions. Is it any wonder we do the same to Columbus?

Shut up golden calf

Originally posted by Robtard
Italians are Caucasians, you racist.
Technically, yes. But technically, if you're not black or Asian, you're Caucasian.

Libyans are Caucasoids.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ah technically, but are they Anglo-Saxon?

Don't get mad now

No, factually. Anglos and Saxons are the Anglo-Saxons (basically Germanic people).

Seems like you're implying that only those of Germanic origin are Caucasian. There was a guy once, with a funny little mustache, well, never mind.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, factually. Anglos and Saxons are the Anglo-Saxons (basically Germanic people).

Seems like you're implying that only those of Germanic origin are Caucasian. There was a guy once, with a funny little mustache, well, never mind.
He sounds like a smart guy.

Anyway, he's not implying only Germanic peoples are Caucasian, he's saying Caucasian doesn't imply whiteness.

It implies europid.

Originally posted by long pig
Technically, yes. But technically, if you're not black or Asian, you're Caucasian.

Libyans are Caucasoids.

I'm glad someone else sees this.

Liberals ranting Caucasians are looking for a scapegoat for any thing other then Asian, Or Black when it helps their cause of blaming white people.
Sounds like a bunch of self haters.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, factually. Anglos and Saxons are the Anglo-Saxons (basically Germanic people).

Seems like you're implying that only those of Germanic origin are Caucasian. There was a guy once, with a funny little mustache, well, never mind.

Technically Germans are the Arian race, pure white bred whiteness.

Maybe we should use the definition of the word, instead you of two doing your "only white America Americans are Caucasian!" thing again.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/caucasian TMYK

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Technically Germans are the Arian race, pure white bred whiteness.
I'm not so sure. Historically, iran, who's name is a transliteration of the word Aryan, are the original Aryans.
2500 years ago, the king of Iran said he came from the Aryan people.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe we should use the definition of the word, instead you of two doing your "only white America Americans are Caucasian!" thing again.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/caucasian TMYK
So, Italians are in fact white Americans? Aye dios mio!

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Technically Germans are the Arian race, pure white bred whiteness.

LoL, Hitler/Nazi regime stealing the word "Aryan" and making up some nonsense does not dictate reality. Do you also think he invented the swastika?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aryan TMYK

Yes so Germans basically committedthe worse atrocities two worlds over and now they tried to smog us out with VW.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, Hitler/Nazi regime stealing the word "Aryan" and making up some nonsense does not dictate reality. Do you also think he invented the swastika?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aryan TMYK
Indians were Nazis?
No wonder columbus tried to wipe them all out! What a selfless hero!

Originally posted by long pig
Indians were Nazis?
No wonder columbus wiped them all out! What a hero!

The Italians learned from him then joined the Natzis later on for a new word order remember? :

Originally posted by long pig
Indians were Nazis?
No wonder columbus tried to wipe them all out! What a selfless hero!






Good one.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes so Germans basically committedthe worse atrocities two worlds over and now they tried to smog us out with VW.

He stuffed his fist all the way up there, didn't he. I mean. ALL. THE. WAY.

What does bardocks balls in your mouth have anything to do with this?

Tell me, was he at least polite enough to remove his rose gold iWatch before he went past the wrist?

Why are you so concerned with my relationships with other posters?

I'll take that as a "no".

And that's a yes for you.

Get your own elife, cheerleader.

But the question you asked me wasn't a yes-or-no question. LoL!

So your overly concerned with other people's relationships on the Internet. What does that make you? A mangina?

Seriously, though... How can you pity the Indians? Sure, the white man took a massive shit all over them, but instead of wiping it off and moving on like countless other people, they layed down and rolled around in it.

Columbus was a dick, but everyone was back then. Everyone was somebody's *****.

I will not say what we did to the Indians was right. I will say we didn't do anything they themselves hadn't done to their own people(stealing land, slaughter, enslavement).

^^^I make that same point to militant black people who get on me for not being rabidly anti-white...

The trouble is in school they tend to gloss over the atrocities the Indians committed against their own. Maybe things have changed since I was in school in the 90's, but I had to learn about the stuff I just mentioned in college and from documentaries.

This is the problem with people because some would feel if you discuss those things it is like saying "they deserved what they got".

Agreed. Its not a matter of deserving, its just a matter of two societies meeting, one more advanced.

Originally posted by Surtur
The trouble is in school they tend to gloss over the atrocities the Indians committed against their own. Maybe things have changed since I was in school in the 90's, but I had to learn about the stuff I just mentioned in college and from documentaries.

This is the problem with people because some would feel if you discuss those things it is like saying "they deserved what they got".

Not sure if the Native tribes regularly engaged in genocide-like practices among each other, which is what the US government condoned at one point, iirc.

Sure the Natives had wars over land and resources, but that's not the same thing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure if the Native tribes regularly engaged in genocide-like practices among each other, which is what the US government condoned at one point, iirc.

Sure the Natives had wars over land and resources, but that's not the same thing.

But they still enslaved each other, slaughtered each other, stole each others land. Again, this is all glossed over. It doesn't matter if it's not 100% the same thing, what matters is in school I believed the Indians were just these innocent people who got the short end of the stick when in reality it just seems like the bigger of two d-bags won out.

We weren't killing these guys for a laugh...was it not over land and resources?

Originally posted by Surtur
I will not say what we did to the Indians was right. I will say we didn't do anything they themselves hadn't done to their own people(stealing land, slaughter, enslavement). this sounds an awful lot like something Bill O'reilly would say... "black people kill other black people everyday, so who cares if the police kill unarmed black people."

Originally posted by Surtur
But they still enslaved each other, slaughtered each other, stole each others land. Again, this is all glossed over. It doesn't matter if it's not 100% the same thing, what matters is in school I believed the Indians were just these innocent people who got the short end of the stick when in reality it just seems like the bigger of two d-bags won out.

We weren't killing these guys for a laugh...was it not over land and resources? Probably because of the invader issue.

Otherwise couldn't we use that same reasoning you're using above and say something like "so what about 9/11, Americans have killed Americans before, just look at the US Civil War, seems like the 9/11 terrorist were just the bigger of two dickheads." Yeah?

Originally posted by Robtard
Probably because of the invader issue.

Otherwise couldn't we use that same reasoning you're using above and say something like "so what about 9/11, Americans have killed Americans before, just look at the US Civil War, seems like the 9/11 terrorist were just the bigger of two dickheads." No?

"who cares about the holocaust, jews killed other jews all the time."

Originally posted by Robtard
Probably because of the invader issue.

Otherwise couldn't we use that same reasoning you're using above and say something like "so what about 9/11, Americans have killed Americans before, just look at the US Civil War, seems like the 9/11 terrorist were just the bigger of two dickheads." Yeah?

But it's not really the same thing and you know it. There is this train of thought people have that we came and slaughtered the innocent Indians. We don't have that train of thought with other stuff you've said.

Originally posted by Surtur
But it's not really the same thing and you know it. There is this train of thought people have that we came and slaughtered the innocent Indians. We don't have that train of thought with other stuff you've said.

Read Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond.

Originally posted by marwash22
this sounds an awful lot like something Bill O'reilly would say... "black people kill other black people everyday, so who cares if the police kill unarmed black people."

But I never said "who cares if these people are killed". I even said I never said what we did was right. I was talking about the way people view these things.

Your response comes in and jumps to a silly conclusion. Yes, I pointed out Indians did some of the same shit people these days condemn us for doing to them..so of course that is totally like saying "blacks kill blacks, so who cares if cops do?".

So do you get how coming in and spouting shit about the Holocaust..isn't the same thing?

Originally posted by Surtur
But it's not really the same thing and you know it. There is this train of thought people have that we came and slaughtered the innocent Indians. We don't have that train of thought with other stuff you've said.

Maybe because they were driven off their lands which their ancestors colonized(yes, they grew crops, they weren't just squatters) thousands of years before and the approach to "solving the Indian problem" was something similar to genocide. Yeah?

edit: In regards to 9/11, there's not many Americans who have the "we deserved it" viewpoint, typically it's "bastard terrorist attacked us and killed innocents for no reason!". Sure, you can find some, but it's hardly the prominent view.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe because they were driven off their lands which their ancestors colonized(yes, they grew crops, they weren't just squatters) thousands of years before and the approach to "solving the Indian problem" was something similar to genocide?

Because it was similar to genocide doesn't mean "don't mention any of the shit the Indians did to each other in history class".

So if you want to bring shit like the Civil War up, that would be like trying to say the North never did any messed up shit and acting like they were 100% glorious and the South was 100% evil.

Originally posted by Surtur
But I never said "who cares if these people are killed". I even said I never said what we did was right. I was talking about the way people view these things.

Your response comes in and jumps to a silly conclusion. Yes, I pointed out Indians did some of the same shit people these days condemn us for doing to them..so of course that is totally like saying "blacks kill blacks, so who cares if cops do?".

So do you get how coming in and spouting shit about the Holocaust..isn't the same thing?

i framed your statement the way i did because that's the way it's meant when conservatives do it on Fox news, etc. Whenever the issue of injustice against minorities is talked about, they bring up the "they do it to themselves" argument as a way to deflect from the actual issue at hand.


what was your intent in even bringing it up?

I already stated my intent in bringing it up. In fact I didn't bring Indians up at all, I just made a post since the subject had already been brought up. I did not come bring this up out of the blue.

Originally posted by Surtur
Because it was similar to genocide doesn't mean "don't mention any of the shit the Indians did to each other in history class".

So if you want to bring shit like the Civil War up, that would be like trying to say the North never did any messed up shit and acting like they were 100% glorious and the South was 100% evil.

So what do you propose be taught: "The Natives were a warring bunch of bow-and-arrow firing, using seashells for money savages who got their dickface asses beat by a bunch of bigger dickfaces." Something like that? *feel free to give your thoughts here, my comment was mostly for humor*

Yet it's generally taught that the North was righteous in it's cause to wage war on the South.

We might as well sugarcoat American slavery as: "well, some African tribes enslaved each other, so what's the big deal."

Originally posted by Surtur
I already stated my intent in bringing it up. In fact I didn't bring Indians up at all, I just made a post since the subject had already been brought up. I did not come bring this up out of the blue. i'm asking what your intent was in saying this:

Originally posted by Surtur
I will say we didn't do anything they themselves hadn't done to their own people(stealing land, slaughter, enslavement).


i guess i missed your reasoning for bringing up the "they did it to themselves" argument. please explain it again, or just quote it.

Originally posted by Robtard
So what do you propose be taught: "The Natives were a warring bunch of bow-and-arrow firing, using seashells for money savages who got their dickface asses beat by a bunch of bigger dickfaces." Something like that? *feel free to give your thoughts here, my comment was mostly for humor*

Yet it's generally taught that the North was righteous in it's cause to wage war on the South.

We might as well sugarcoat American slavery as: "well, some African tribes enslaved each other, so what's the big deal."

The slave trade is alive and well still in Africa. I've actually seen it in Niger with my own eyes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure if the Native tribes regularly engaged in genocide-like practices among each other, which is what the US government condoned at one point, iirc.

Sure the Natives had wars over land and resources, but that's not the same thing.
They would have had they the intellectual ability to make non stone age weapons
. Originally posted by marwash22
this sounds an awful lot like something Bill O'reilly would say... "black people kill other black people everyday, so who cares if the police kill unarmed black people."
Black people kill every race on a grand scale, but they damn near try to wipe their own race out. They are a burden to have in America.

Originally posted by marwash22


"who cares about the holocaust, jews killed other jews all the time."
Retard. The black on black crime is 20 times that of white on black crime. White on black violent crime is basically non existent in America, but because of racial identity politics, the liberals must pretend it's worse than it is or be called racist.

Blacks are 12% of America, but commit half of all violent crime. Whites are over 80%. Statistically, 1 in 3 blacks are criminals...black crime against every other race is many times that of other races against blacks.....yet THEYRE the victims? Looks to me that the rest of America is the victims of blacks.

You don't see a problem?


Blacklivesmatter idiots need to remove the beam in their eye before telling whites about the speck of dust in ours.

Originally posted by Ol' Shellhead
The slave trade is alive and well still in Africa. I've actually seen it in Niger with my own eyes.
Blacks invented it, they supplied slaves to whites who found it wrong and abolished it. Whites were the last to use slavery, used it the least amount of time and first to ban it.
There's more slavery in Africa today than in height of American slavery.

Africa is still a place of evil.

Originally posted by long pig
Seriously, though... How can you pity the Indians? Sure, the white man took a massive shit all over them, but instead of wiping it off and moving on like countless other people, they layed down and rolled around in it.

Columbus was a dick, but everyone was back then. Everyone was somebody's *****.

No collective civilization has suffered on so grand a scale what the Native Americans have suffered, and they have to live with the consequences of their genocide into modern times.

Also nice retard logic there, I guess nobody should care about anything ever, because everybody's an ******* now, then and forever.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
No collective civilization has suffered on so grand a scale what the Native Americans have suffered, and they have to live with the consequences of their genocide into modern times.

Also nice retard logic there, I guess nobody should care about anything ever, because everybody's an ******* now, then and forever.
Bullshit! Lol. Are you retarded?

Entire races have been wiped out hundreds of times. The Romans did it for sport. The Muslims have done that for 1600 years.

We went easy on Indians. We shit on everyone, but only Indians and blacks decided they liked their new shit covered life and refused to wash it off.

Enslaved The chinese, we nuked the japs, slaved the mexicans, slaved Irish.....we shit on them, too....but they got over it.

They weren't pussies I guess.

And it's OK to care, but its not OK to use it as an excuse to act like subhuman criminals.

The Romans wiped out races for sport? Well look at that. Can you name these "races" and if you're able, the year they happened.

We'll start with the Romans, then we'll move onto the Muslims if need be, I have a feeling we won't.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Romans wiped out races for sport? Well look at that. Can you name these "races" and if you're able, the year they happened.

We'll start with the Romans, then we'll move onto the Muslims if need be, I have a feeling we won't.
They wiped out the pics. June 23

First of all it's the "Picts" and they were not wiped out, they lasted long after the Roman's abandoned that region of Scotland/England.

So more poo on your face.

Instead of saying you're wrong for lying about Indians being the single most oppressed humans to ever exist, which is idiocy, robtard uses the progressive debate tactic of ignoring the actual topic and starts arguing shit that doesn't matter. In hopes to win the debate without debating the topic. Its called postmodernist tactic.

Originally posted by riv6672
Agreed. Its not a matter of deserving, its just a matter of two societies meeting, one more advanced.







Precisely, riv.

Originally posted by long pig
Instead of saying you're wrong for lying about Indians being the single most oppressed humans to ever exist, which is idiocy, robtard uses the progressive debate tactic of ignoring the actual topic and starts arguing shit that doesn't matter. In hopes to win the debate without debating the topic. Its called postmodernist tactic.

You're the one that brought up the Romans, you turdmungler.

So like usual, when your claims fall flat on your face, you start crying foul and doing flips.

Originally posted by Robtard
First of all it's the "Picts" and they were not wiped out, they lasted long after the Roman's abandoned that region of Scotland/England.

So more poo on your face. Lol...pict is a transliteration of a dead language, dipshit. It doesnt matter how I write it.....oh wait, you're postmodernisming again, arguing spelling. Lol.

There wasn't a single pure pic left after the Romans. They were gone and or mixed.

But sure, whatever....so Indians were the single most badly treated humans ever?

Originally posted by Robtard
You're the one that brought up the Romans, you turdmungler.

So like usual, when your claims fall flat on your face, you start crying foul and doing flips.
Yet, you jumped on what you thought was a bad example instead of jumping on the topic. You never even mentioned the topic.

Progressive postmodernism in action.

Discuss the topic, retard. Try not to be a brainwashed liberal.

Originally posted by long pig
They would have had they the intellectual ability to make non stone age weapons.



Yep. I said this earlier in thread: If indians had had the technology and "know how" then you can bet they would've travelled to other continents and tried conquering just as everybody else was doing back then. You can easily understand this by how they were constantly at war with each other over things like rights to a certain hunting ground(s). They even wiped out other tribes over things like this.


That's why I'm so damn sick of hearing about how the poor native Americans have been wronged. It's pretty pathetic when a race of people whose ancestors were responsible for conquering another people feel the need hundreds of years later to keep saying "Oh, we're so sorry for what our ancestors did. They were all evil butchering bastards that had no right to conquer you just because they were so much more advanced. Oh, please please forgive us." LOL. All of this ass kissing of the conquered by those who conquered them makes me sick. No other conquering people in history has acted so pathetic towards those they conquered. Anyway, do people really think all of this "oh, we're sosorry" bullshit is gonna make things better for the indians? IF you're really so sorry then how about giving their ****ing land back to them?

Originally posted by long pig
Lol...pict is a transliteration of a dead language, dipshit. It doesnt matter how I write it.....oh wait, you're postmodernisming again, arguing spelling. Lol.

There wasn't a single pure pic left after the Romans. They were gone and or mixed.

But sure, whatever....so Indians were the single most badly treated humans ever?

HYG: http://www.ancient.eu/picts/

"The Picts were a people of northern Scotland who are defined as a "confederation of tribal units whose political motivations derived from a need to ally against common enemies" -snip

The Picts held their territory against the invading Romans in a number of engagements and, although they were defeated in battle, they won the war; Scotland holds the distinction of never falling to the invading armies of Rome, even though the Romans attempted conquest numerous times. The Picts exist in the written record from their first mention in 297 CE until c. 900 CE, when no further mention is made of them. -snip

They vanished by likely being integrated into other cultures in the area, but that was long after the Romans bailed out. Sorry, but you were wrong and are wrong.

So more poo on your face.

Originally posted by long pig
Bullshit! Lol. Are you retarded?

Entire races have been wiped out hundreds of times. The Romans did it for sport. The Muslims have done that for 1600 years.

We went easy on Indians. We shit on everyone, but only Indians and blacks decided they liked their new shit covered life and refused to wash it off.

Enslaved The chinese, we nuked the japs, slaved the mexicans, slaved Irish.....we shit on them, too....but they got over it.

They weren't pussies I guess.

And it's OK to care, but its not OK to use it as an excuse to act like subhuman criminals.

Originally posted by Robtard
HYG: http://www.ancient.eu/picts/

"The Picts were a people of northern Scotland who are defined as a "confederation of tribal units whose political motivations derived from a need to ally against common enemies" -snip

The Picts held their territory against the invading Romans in a number of engagements and, although they were defeated in battle, they won the war; Scotland holds the distinction of never falling to the invading armies of Rome, even though the Romans attempted conquest numerous times. The Picts exist in the written record from their first mention in 297 CE until c. 900 CE, when no further mention is made of them. -snip

They vanished by likely being integrated into other cultures in the area, but that was long after the Romans bailed out. Sorry, but you were wrong and are wrong.

So more poo on your face.
There were no full blooded Picts after Romans left. They'd been raped into a mix breed mongrel mess like south americans were....by Romans.

Again, irrelevant to the topic. What next, do you want to debate that debate is racist and maybe start rapping?

Get back on topic, mutt, were Indians the most badly treated people ever? Or....do you want to continue to infer they were via your silence? Your agenda is clear, you want to portray America and whites as inherently racist and evil, and saying that about Indians fits your agenda....that's why you won't address it's stupidity.

You're figured out. Go away, troll.

You made an incorrect claim, instead of doubling down and making more incorrect claims, you should just deal with it already instead of acting like a child.

The racist claiming someone else has a racist agenda, lovely.

I didn't claim the Native Americans were the "most badly treated people ever". So go do flips elsewhere, strawman.

ps that's even more poo on your face, must suck being you

Originally posted by Star428

These race baiting, faux offended Progressive trolls have run out of tactics. Maybe now they'll leave.

Originally posted by Robtard
You made an incorrect claim, instead of doubling down and making more incorrect claims, you should just deal with it already instead of acting like a child.

The racist claiming someone else has a racist agenda, lovely.

I didn't claim the Native Americans were the "most badly treated people ever". So go do flips elsewhere, strawman.

ps that's even more poo on your face, must suck being you
Everyone who isn't p.c or progressive is racist to you. The word is meaningles from you.
I never said you said it, I said discuss it or stfu..

Again, you're refusing to deal with the topic of discussion, troll. You're throwing distractions left a d right trying to avoid it.

You either agree or disagree with it. Pick one.

Originally posted by long pig
Everyone who isn't p.c or progressive is racist to you. The word is meaningless.

Again, you're refusing to deal with the topic of discussion, troll. You're throwing red herrings left a d right trying to avoid it.

You either agree or disagree with it. Pick one.

More lies packaged as an Ad Hominem. You seem legit angry right now.

You're the one who brought up the Romans and the Picts, not me. Don't cry "Red Herring!" when you're the one that tried it and it failed.

Nice, a False Dilemma

ps that's a triple-stack of poo on your face

Originally posted by Robtard
More lies packaged as an Ad Hominem. You seem legit angry right now.

You're the one who brought up the Romans and the Picts, not me. Don't cry "Red Herring!" when you're the one that tried it and it failed.

Nice, a False Dilemma

ps that's a triple-stack of poo on your face
Postmodernism debate tactics to win a debate without debating again? This time, you're using debate jargon in hopes to intimidate and cover your own ignorance. Using flawed debate logic lingo doesn't make you look smarter, Rob. It makes you look desperate and sad.

Now, back on topic.
We're Indians the most oppressed or not? Yes or no? If your racist agenda makes you refuse to answer again, then you are a troll.

More flips to point away from his failures of using a red herring (in the form of an incorrect claim no less) and then resorting to personal attacks when that tactic failed. Your frailty disgusts me. Anyhow. Moving on.

Answer: I don't know; probably not something that could be answered so easily.

Question: Who do you think are/were the most oppressed people? If you try any fallacies or flips again, you're a troll.

Originally posted by Robtard
More flips to point away from his failures of using a red herring (in the form of an incorrect claim no less) and then resorting to personal attacks when that tactic failed. Your frailty disgusts me. Anyhow. Moving on.

Answer: I don't know; probably not something that could be answered so easily.

Question: Who do you think are/were the most oppressed people? If you try any fallacies or flips again, you're a troll.
So, in an attempt to save your racist agenda, you pretend to be of low intelligence and give a non answer. That's dedication to an agenda! You can't think of another people, like those who were wiped out completely? Nothing, huh?

I see you didn't give an answer, but resorted to more flaming and trolling

Originally posted by long pig
So, in an attempt to save your racist agenda, you pretend to be of low intelligence and give a non answer. That's dedication to an agenda! You can't think of another people, like those who were wiped out completely? Nothing, huh?


I don't think he's "pretending to be", long pig.

Originally posted by Star428
I don't think he's "pretending to be", long pig.
No, he is. He prides himself on his intelligence....which should show you his dedication to his racist, anglophobic agenda. Hed rather be known as an idiot , an uneducated fool, than betray his fascist ideology.

He knows I know all the tricks of his hateful trade, but he continues on, hoping for a different outcome. The definition of insanity.

I pity this troll, robtard. Only because its clear he's trolled himself in real life.

More flaming and trolling, lovely

Originally posted by long pig
Bullshit! Lol. Are you retarded?

Entire races have been wiped out hundreds of times. The Romans did it for sport. The Muslims have done that for 1600 years.

We went easy on Indians. We shit on everyone, but only Indians and blacks decided they liked their new shit covered life and refused to wash it off.

Enslaved The chinese, we nuked the japs, slaved the mexicans, slaved Irish.....we shit on them, too....but they got over it.

They weren't pussies I guess.

And it's OK to care, but its not OK to use it as an excuse to act like subhuman criminals.

Nah, those are all individual civilizations, and even then, only Carthage suffered a comparable cultural death. A proper comparison would be if the Mongolians invaded and conquered Western Europe and over the course of 400 years systematically destroyed their culture to the point of extinction and caused the deaths of tens of millions of people, reaching up into a hundred million. Europeans didn't just destroy a single country, they annihilated an entire continent's worth of culture.

Kill yourself btw you ignorant moron

Originally posted by long pig
Everyone who isn't p.c or progressive is racist to you. The word is meaningles from you.
I never said you said it, I said discuss it or stfu..

Again, you're refusing to deal with the topic of discussion, troll. You're throwing distractions left a d right trying to avoid it.

You either agree or disagree with it. Pick one.
No, racist is not a meaningless word, it very well describes your attitude toward other races.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No, racist is not a meaningless word, it very well describes your attitude toward other races. What have I done racist? Post facts? Lol
The P.C definition of it, yes. All white men or those who disagree are racist.

The word has been tossed around and misused and not to mention been redefined that it means nothing. Its not a bad word.

So sure, I'm racist. Whatever.

Originally posted by Robtard
More flaming and trolling, lovely
More deflecting and ignoring the topic. nice.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Nah, those are all individual civilizations, and even then, only Carthage suffered a comparable cultural death. A proper comparison would be if the Mongolians invaded and conquered Western Europe and over the course of 400 years systematically destroyed their culture to the point of extinction and caused the deaths of tens of millions of people, reaching up into a hundred million. Europeans didn't just destroy a single country, they annihilated an entire continent's worth of culture.

Kill yourself btw you ignorant moron
Those poor Indians. They were weak and stupid. Now they roll In shit. That's why they catn fit in society.

Robs just mad the white man raped his ancestors and now he's a mutt.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No, racist is not a meaningless word, it very well describes your attitude toward other races.

There's a lot of racism on this forum. I have Jewish, Arab, Turkish and French blood in me, as well as English and German in the last four generations. It's difficult for me to be racist. As I am a mongrel.

Most yanks have multiple ethnicity also.

Taken some action here- nonetheless, Robtard, you're making things worse, not better. Stop responding so aggressively.

Originally posted by Robtard
So what do you propose be taught: "The Natives were a warring bunch of bow-and-arrow firing, using seashells for money savages who got their dickface asses beat by a bunch of bigger dickfaces." Something like that? *feel free to give your thoughts here, my comment was mostly for humor*

Yet it's generally taught that the North was righteous in it's cause to wage war on the South.

We might as well sugarcoat American slavery as: "well, some African tribes enslaved each other, so what's the big deal."

That is the thing though, I'm advocating not sugar coating anything for either side.

As for what I'd like taught..well, you don't even have to paint the picture as "one douche beat another douche". More just when you are teaching about the Indians don't gloss over the negative parts. But like I said I also do not know what they currently teach in schools, thankfully it has been a long time since I've been in one.

COLUMBUS DID NOTHING WRONG

I had school off for Columbus Day and had my first LSD trip. So kudos to Columbus Day

Well yeah, for me I don't really care if Columbus used to eat babies...whatever he did it earned me a day off school.

Celebrate some other person that isn't a genocidal sociopath tho.

Genocidal sociopaths are the reason we're still here.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Celebrate some other person that isn't a genocidal sociopath tho.

Well I don't get to choose the holidays, but I certainly never "celebrated" Columbus. I celebrated being off school. I would think most people aren't "celebrating" the guy, but the day off.

The move to change Columbus day to Explorer's day is better, since although many other explorers were pretty nasty, not all were, and most were better than Columbus (which is not hard).

Columbus cannot stand up to the standards of Lief Erikson, a literal viking ^^