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Does it really matter if it isn't?

A rose by any other name and all that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Does it really matter if it isn't?

A rose by any other name and all that.

How did we become a so called democracy when it's never mentioned in the Constitution?

Did you know the Constitution doesn't mention anything about an air force either?

US understanding of the word 'Democracy' has changed since the Founding Father's narrow interpretation of it as 'Direct Democracy'.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Did you know the Constitution doesn't mention anything about an air force either?

US understanding of the word 'Democracy; has changed since the Founding Father';s narrow interpretation of it as 'Direct Democracy'."

That's kind of a red herring


It might not specifically mention the Airfoce but it does say the congress can form a military. Air Force is just a label. Democracy is an actual government type.

And an air force is an actual armed force type; the constitution has direct provision for army and navy but not air force.

Things change. The understanding of what makes armed forces changed. The understanding of what a democracy is in the US changed as well. And to remind you, 'Direct Democracy' is not a government type actually used anywhere. The western world consists of representative democracies.

Yes but unless there was an amendment we are still a federal constitutional republic.

First, that's like saying the air force is forever part of the army because there is no separate provision for it. You can't be that inflexible.

Secondly, that's assuming the Constitution has the absolute right to say what sort of government you are, no matter what sort of government it actually is- that's actually an assumption.

In fact, your government is defined by the criteria you fit. The US fits the criteria of representative democracy.

Similarly, plenty of tinpot countries declare themselves to be democracies by name, but they are not by nature.

So, in short, the US is called a democracy because it IS one.

So then why we founded on constitutional federal republic?

Sorry, I can't understand that question as related to what I just said.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
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I thought we've had enough of this subject already. You and I both know, TI, that the reason is because the United States is a republic and not a democracy regardless of what Ush, OV, or anybody else says.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Does it really matter if it isn't?

A rose by any other name and all that.
Every rose has its thorn...

Just like every night has its dawn

Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song

I mean, I'm sure North Korea and China and Russia's constitutions feature the word "democracy" a lot, it doesn't mean anything, just like the lack of the word in our doesn't mean anything.

Originally posted by long pig
Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song
I was actually thinking of Conway Twitty's version of The Rose, lol.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Did you know the Constitution doesn't mention anything about an air force either?



A few problems with your line of reasoning:


1. Back then, there was no airplanes or helicopters. So why would they mention anything about an air force?

2. The Constitution specifically mentions in article 4 section 4 that the U.S. is a republic.

3. Our nation's Pledge of Allegiance specifically mentions we are a republic as well while saying nothing of "democracy". Then we also have this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_Hymn_of_the_Republic


I've also posted plenty of links before that show founding fathers thought "democracy" was one of the worst government types. When a woman asked Benjamin Franklin after the signing of the Declaration of Independence "What have you given us, sir?", he replied "A republic... if you can keep it."

Because they wanted the US to have the rule of law as in republic. Democracy back then was rule by men as in wild west.

Originally posted by Facee
Because they wanted the US to have the rule of law as in republic. Democracy back then was rule by men as in wild west.

This is actually a really good answer.

Democracy is not a form of government, it's a system by which government derives its power. Since the United States is one of such systems it is a Democracy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Democracy is not a form of government, it's a system by which government derives its power. Since the United States is one of such systems it is a Democracy.

yikes

The idea that the USA are a democracy is one of the funniest things I ever heard on kmc. Thanks TI .

Originally posted by Bardock42
Democracy is not a form of government,








It is... and it's one of the worst types.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The idea that the USA are a democracy is one of the funniest things I ever heard on kmc. Thanks TI .




Finally, a non-American who hasn't been brainwashed into thinking that the U.S. is a democracy.


I always knew you were a smart guy, Prof.

It's a representative democracy. I'll explain how that works. Politicians run campaigns to convince people to vote for them (the democracy part). Usually the politician with the most money on their campaign wins. They then represent the persons or businesses that gave them the money to run their campaign (the representative part)

Fantastic isn't it?

No, it isn't. It's a constitutional republic. PERIOD. Meaning it's governed by the law of the land (the Constitution). It protects individual rights. Congress can never vote to take away someone's God-given Constitutional rights. Even if they get a unanimous vote the fact that our government is a constitutional republic means that the individual is always protected from the votes of the many.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yikes

It's the reason why there are Republics that are Democracies, there's Monarchies that are Democracies, there's Anarchist implementations of Democracies. I mean I suppose there can be a form of government that's just a "Democracy" though I wouldn't know of any modern example. Most modern Democracies are either Republics or Monarchies.

God doesn't care about your constitution.

Originally posted by jaden101
God doesn't care about your constitution.



Of course He doesn't. By God-given, I mean "natural rights" that every individual inherently has.


Anyway, I thought u didn't believe in God. So how would u know what He cares or doesn't care about?

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's the reason why there are Republics that are Democracies, there's Monarchies that are Democracies, there's Anarchist implementations of Democracies. I mean I suppose there can be a form of government that's just a "Democracy" though I wouldn't know of any modern example. Most modern Democracies are either Republics or Monarchies.

no it's just that your first and last sentence completely contradicted eachother.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
no it's just that your first and last sentence completely contradicted eachother.
Okay, do you agree with the second post then, or are you one of those that believe that the United States are not a democracy?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, do you agree with the second post then, or are you one of those that believe that the United States are not a democracy?

i believe it can be called a type of democratic government (democratic process being a part of it), but to call it a "democracy" suggests that the entire body of government is elected by the people, which would be wrong.

Originally posted by Star428
Of course He doesn't. By God-given, I mean "natural rights" that every individual inherently has.


Anyway, I thought u didn't believe in God. So how would u know what He cares or doesn't care about?

So ownership of guns is a "natural right" yet walking around naked in public or urinating and defecating outside isn't despite them involving doing things 'God' intended the human body to do?

OK.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i believe it can be called a type of democratic government (democratic process being a part of it), but to call it a "democracy" suggests that the entire body of government is elected by the people, which would be wrong.

Okay, cool, so you don't know what democracy means.

Originally posted by jaden101
So ownership of guns is a "natural right" yet walking around naked in public or urinating and defecating outside isn't despite them involving doing things 'God' intended the human body to do?

OK.



The ability to protect one's self is a natural right. That's what guns are for. At least, that's what they're supposed to be for. It's certainly what the second amendment is for, jaden. Ability to protect oneself is a natural right of all creatures under God. That's pretty common sense stuff that even you should understand.

Originally posted by jaden101
So ownership of guns is a "natural right" yet walking around naked in public or urinating and defecating outside isn't despite them involving doing things 'God' intended the human body to do?

OK.

God clearly cares more about an American's right to bear arms than your Scottish right to piss and shit yourself in public, duh.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, cool, so you don't know what democracy means.

Time for another classic bardock etymology fallacy?

Originally posted by Star428
A few problems with your line of reasoning:


1. Back then, there was no airplanes or helicopters. So why would they mention anything about an air force?

2. The Constitution specifically mentions in article 4 section 4 that the U.S. is a republic.

3. Our nation's Pledge of Allegiance specifically mentions we are a republic as well while saying nothing of "democracy". Then we also have this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_Hymn_of_the_Republic


I've also posted plenty of links before that show founding fathers thought "democracy" was one of the worst government types. When a woman asked Benjamin Franklin after the signing of the Declaration of Independence "What have you given us, sir?", he replied "A republic... if you can keep it."


What possible logic made you think posting the first response there was in any way sensible or intelligent beats me. That was the point- things change. Back then, they didn't know how the US would later be defining democracy, so why mention democracy? Like the air force, things changed.

As I mentioned in this thread and to you many times before, the FFs were referring to DIRECT democracy. Not representative democracy, which is what the US is. Your rants there have absolutely nothing to do with anything in the world today. As you well know, your entire current administration calls the US a democracy and indeed the administration has done so for over a century.

Sorry Bashar- you're not right on this one.

that's alright. i wasn't emotionally invested in my opinion like some others here.

it is a confusing term though, for having such a simple concept.

That is indeed true.

Originally posted by Robtard
God clearly cares more about an American's right to bear arms than your Scottish right to piss and shit yourself in public, duh.

I'm not passing and shitting myself COS IVE GOT NO CLOTHES ON!

Dummy libster

Frankly, I'm tired of arguing (especially with foreigners who arrogantly think they know my own country better than me) over what government type the U.S. is when it's clearly spelled out for us in the Constitution and our Pledge of Allegiance. Seems like some people here would argue that s*** doesn't stink just to be contradictory. LOL. We've had this discussion before and, once again, it's proven to be pointless because no one is changing anybody's opinion on the matter and if I engage Ush I'll probably just end up getting banned in the end so I'm done discussing it. Think whatever u like.

You disagree with your own country over what your country is, so that argument carries no weight- it is you who is being entirely arrogant. You;re just not at all interested in things like fact and logic and truth.

Seems the definition of democracy and constitutional republic are different.

I'm sure we have a oath to the republic though.

A democracy would basically be the worst place on earth for a minority. Lol.

America has Democratic, capitalistic and socialistic elements. Recently the capitalistic part has became too large and America has become off balanced.

Originally posted by long pig
A democracy would basically be the worst place on earth for a minority. Lol.

America has Democratic, capitalistic and socialistic elements. Recently the capitalistic part has became too large and America has become off balanced.

Its funny when you have candidates like Hilary against wallstreet, yet she is bought and paid for by them. Hell her son in law is a hedge fund manager.

All a diversion to get the votes and give a bunch of empty campaign promises.