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In an actual fight where Palpatine wasn't trying to lure Anakin to the darkside by acting weak and helpless, would Mace still have defeated him or would there be a different outcome?

Sidious definitly

What an original thread.

^ Only two posts needed for this thread.

And a third:

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Next thread should be RotJ Vader vs RotJ Luke, only Vader isn't holding back his Force powers.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What an original thread.

Wow ok I guess I'll just go **** myself

Welcome to the new KMC.

lol

Windu wins and posters such as emperor Sidious try to come up with theories as to why he lost on purpose again.

I think the OP doesn't deserve this amount of hate. The real villains here are the 3 people who voted for Windu.

Originally posted by Sinious
I think the OP doesn't deserve this amount of hate. The real villains here are the 3 people who voted for Windu. Well, I am happy to be the fourth. Windu did win on film so I stab at the Sidious fanaticism.

Originally posted by Sinious
I think the OP doesn't deserve this amount of hate. The real villains here are the 3 people who voted for Windu.



totally agree. This was perfect.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu wins and posters such as emperor Sidious try to come up with theories as to why he lost on purpose again.

Shame. You once again chose the wrong answer.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Shame. You once again chose the wrong answer. Canon backs me once again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Canon backs me once again.


Well the factors backing canon in that battle aren't in this battle.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well the factors backing canon in that battle aren't in this battle. Windu still won while Palpatine still lost. Canon backs my choice not yours.

Originally posted by Sinious
I think the OP doesn't deserve this amount of hate. The real villains here are the 3 people who voted for Windu.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu still won while Palpatine still lost. Canon backs my choice not yours.


So based on that logic does that mean that if Luke and Vader fight again Luke is going to win? Anakin vs Obi wan? Yoda vs Sidious? Just because we see in the films one battle that had several factors that aren't affecting these battles will the results be the same?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So based on that logic does that mean that if Luke and Vader fight again Luke is going to win? Anakin vs Obi wan? Yoda vs Sidious? Just because we see in the films one battle that had several factors that aren't affecting these battles will the results be the same? Luke was better so yeah. Anakin met Obi and he won later. Yoda is a failure. The victory wasn't as definitive as Luke's over Vader. That was pretty dominant.

The world would be such a better place if people stopped seriously responding to quan.

Quan's fun, though.

Quan's not bad, it's all the replies he gets that are so ****ing retarded.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The world would be such a better place if people stopped seriously responding to quan.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The world would be such a better place if people stopped seriously responding to quan. Silence, judas.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke was better so yeah. Anakin met Obi and he won later. Yoda is a failure. The victory wasn't as definitive as Luke's over Vader. That was pretty dominant.

So say if Vader used his force powers and actaully tried to fight. Luke's won was against a Vader who wasn't trying. The proof is there, just watch the films. This debate is won for me.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So say if Vader used his force powers and actaully tried to fight. Luke's won was against a Vader who wasn't trying. The proof is there, just watch the films. This debate is won for me. Vader swung his saber and taunted Luke. He fought but since you claimed he held back and didn't fight then prove it. You just say he didn't fight without any proof from the films.

Edit: wrong thread

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader swung his saber and taunted Luke. He fought but since you claimed he held back and didn't fight then prove it. You just say he didn't fight without any proof from the films.

It's his son. That's really all the proof that's needed. He doesn't want to kill his own son. He says so in ESB. He doesn't want to kill his own son.

Even if Windu will be able to beat Sidious in sabers again, he wont beat him in all-out. Sidious every single time

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just say he didn't fight without any proof from the films. why does the proof have to be from the films?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's his son. That's really all the proof that's needed. He doesn't want to kill his own son. He says so in ESB. He doesn't want to kill his own son. In esp he still would if he were forced to but didn't have to try then. Luke owned him in rotj. The advantages for Luke were pretty clear. He's better.

Originally posted by Sinious
why does the proof have to be from the films? So you believe directors don't leave proof to what's going on in the films they direct ? Is the goal of the scenes to confuse people here ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe directors don't leave proof to what's going on in the films they direct ? Is the goal of the scenes to confuse people here ? Yawn.

This is an Expended Universe forum buddy. You being ignorant when it comes to EU isn't gonna change that fact.

Originally posted by Sinious
Yawn.

This is an Expended Universe forum buddy. You being ignorant when it comes to EU isn't gonna change that fact. Default rules canon only unless otherwise stated. Disney 86'd eu and the default rules support Disney's views since they actually call the shots not you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In esp he still would if he were forced to but didn't have to try then. Luke owned him in rotj. The advantages for Luke were pretty clear. He's better.

So you basically concede as you said if he were forced to. His outlook has changed from ESB. He doesn't want to kill his son no matter what. He now stops and considers everything now. Luke was going up against a Vader who wasn't trying. Luke's only advantage would be with agility and possibly strength. Besides that Vader is more skilled, powerful, durable, more experienced, and all around better. Vader is leagues ahead.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you basically concede as you said if he were forced to. His outlook has changed from ESB. He doesn't want to kill his son no matter what. He now stops and considers everything now. Luke was going up against a Vader who wasn't trying. Luke's only advantage would be with agility and possibly strength. Besides that Vader is more skilled, powerful, durable, more experienced, and all around better. Vader is leagues ahead. No, he knew it was still his son. He swings his saber at his son. Prove your claims. In debating when you say someone isn't trying the onus is on you to prove it. Luke raped him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he knew it was still his son. He swings his saber at his son. Prove your claims. In debating when you say someone isn't trying the onus is on you to prove it. Luke raped him.

Exactly it's his son. Why kill your own son. Again a lot happened within the time frame of ESB and ROTJ. Well considering I have proved it. Vader could have killed Luke if he chooses to. His force powers and his saber skills are better.

ES2, are you stupid?

Depends on who you ask.

I'm asking you. This guy has been trolling you for weeks now. The dialogue between you two is giving me cancer.

Well honestly, I don't consider myself stupid. I'm in a car at this moment so it's nothing much else to do except this, and it's fun to prove him wiring over and over. Yea he's been trolling me I know. However I have points where I win so throughly it's no need to go on since I've won. I've started doing that on the movie versus forum, I've won and stopped all the debates between he and I.

Engage in debates with others tbh.

Originally posted by Sinious
I'm asking you. This guy has been trolling you for weeks now. The dialogue between you two is giving me cancer.
Yeah, except change "You two" to "quan and anyone."

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yeah, except change "You two" to "quan and anyone." Not gonna argue with that tbh

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Exactly it's his son. Why kill your own son. Again a lot happened within the time frame of ESB and ROTJ. Well considering I have proved it. Vader could have killed Luke if he chooses to. His force powers and his saber skills are better. Why even try to twist your son for the dark side ?? No, you didn't prove it. You just spewed more nonsense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why even try to twist your son for the dark side ?? No, you didn't prove it. You just spewed more nonsense.

Notice his lack of influence in ROTJ? He's more conflicted. He doesn't know what to do. Vader wasn't trying.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Notice his lack of influence in ROTJ? He's more conflicted. He doesn't know what to do. Vader wasn't trying. Vader still tried and swung his saber and taunted Luke into fighting by threat being his own sister. Vader's a shitty guy and Luke beat the shut out of him. Luke>>>Vader.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader still tried and swung his saber and taunted Luke into fighting by threat being his own sister. Vader's a shitty guy and Luke beat the shut out of him. Luke>>>Vader.

All of that is really irrelevant. He was on defense the majority of the battle, and he could have just easily went on offense if he so choose. Taunting Luke doesn mean anything.,he had to do that since it's what the emperor wanted. He was conflicted. Luke is not even close to Vader level.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
All of that is really irrelevant. He was on defense the majority of the battle, and he could have just easily went on offense if he so choose. Taunting Luke doesn mean anything.,he had to do that since it's what the emperor wanted. He was conflicted. Luke is not even close to Vader level. Fact is Luke won and what you say is just conjecture. So you agree he did what the emperor wanted aka fight his son. He lost and embarrassingly so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Fact is Luke won and what you say is just conjecture. So you agree he did what the emperor wanted aka fight his son. He lost and embarrassingly so.



Fact is Vader held back. You saying Luke won because he's better is complete stupidity. He put up enough a fight to where he didn't have to kill his son. Also he let Luke go on offense, and notice he talks before he strikes, letting Luke know when he's going to strike.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Fact is Vader held back. You saying Luke won because he's better is complete stupidity. He put up enough a fight to where he didn't have to kill his son. Also he let Luke go on offense, and notice he talks before he strikes, letting Luke know when he's going to strike. If you claim that's a fact prove it. You made a claim so prove it.

Ian Mcdiarmid, in an interview in Star Wars insider, 2005, that his face from the lightning was his actual face. Palpatine, was the mask. He was faking it all for Anakin. Sidious, wins without question if he's not holding back.

Hm? Really? Which Insider kiddo?

Also I don't see what this discussion of Vader and Luke is about..

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you claim that's a fact prove it. You made a claim so prove it.

Again already have.

Originally posted by kiddo44
Ian Mcdiarmid, in an interview in Star Wars insider, 2005, that his face from the lightning was his actual face. Palpatine, was the mask. He was faking it all for Anakin. Sidious, wins without question if he's not holding back.

Which insider?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Which insider?

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mS539PV_W2Lp7JcD8TcBlUg.jpg

Originally posted by kiddo44
http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mS539PV_W2Lp7JcD8TcBlUg.jpg

Thanks man.

That's been said a few times. The new Canon seems to suggest it was both, revealing his real face and it getting burned as well in Star Wars Absolutely Everything You Need To Know I think. Or could be Ultimate Guide. Will have to check up later.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again already have. False.