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Who was the more powerful sith apprentice? The battle takes place in a simple environment (flat, plain landsape).

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What an original thread.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Maul. Rebel, you make yourself known to me.

Once again Quan has chosen the wrong answer?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Once again Quan has chosen the wrong answer? Nah, I am correct as always.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah, I am correct as always.


In what universe are you ever right. You're always wrong based on the answers you choose.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
In what universe are you ever right. You're always wrong based on the answers you choose. The canon one. You live in your own fanfic world.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The canon one. You live in your own fanfic world.

No you don't. If you lived in canon world then Dooku wins.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No you don't. If you lived in canon world then Dooku wins. Nah, he's dead and not a rival to Sheev. Maul is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah, he's dead and not a rival to Sheev. Maul is.

That line was meant as a rival Sith faction. We see he wasn't near Sidious level.

Sorry I don't have the time in my life to monitor every single thread on this website like you guys do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That line was meant as a rival Sith faction. We see he wasn't near Sidious level. Then prove it since he didn't use the word faction.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Sorry I don't have the time in my life to monitor every single thread on this website like you guys do. Then your priorities are wrong! newjak_yodafist

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it since he didn't use the word faction.
Maul claims he still serves Sidious, Sidious claims Maul is deceiving him because he is now a rival, then precedes to hold him against the wall with telekinesis while laughing. The context makes it perfectly clear. Maul is a rival because he doesn't serve Sidious any longer, not because they are close in power, because they are not.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Maul claims he still serves Sidious, Sidious claims Maul is deceiving him because he is now a rival, then precedes to hold him against the wall with telekinesis while laughing. The context makes it perfectly clear. Maul is a rival because he doesn't serve Sidious any longer, not because they are close in power, because they are not. False. Maul became a threat to Sidious hence his personal involvement in the matter. We later see Talzin back this up in sod the continuation to this story. Thanks for playing.

You mean Shadow of Dathomir where Maul -unlike Dooku- is completely out of his depth in a Force fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it since he didn't use the word faction.

At the beginning of the fight before all this starts, before he shows his disappointment that maul is attempting to decide him, he looks at savage. He can sense tha savage is his apprentice. He also goes on to(after killing savage mind you) tell maul about the "reality of the Sith" and tells him their can only be two. Dave Filoni even goes on to reference this. Add this to how Maul is completely dominated by Sidious even with the aid of his brother, and he still couldn't defeat or even come close to defeating Sidious.

Rival-a person who is competing for the same object or goal as another, or who tries to equal or outdo another
Dictionary.com

Rival-a person or thing that tries to defeat or be more successful than another
Merriam Webster

Rival-One who attempts to equal or surpass another, or who pursues the same object as another; a competitor.
Freedictionary.com

Rival-A person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity
Oxford Dictionaries

etc.

In no way does Sidious calling Maul "a rival" imply parity.

Sidious destroyed Maul in combat anyway, so Quan's position is completely indefensible. Checkmate.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You mean Shadow of Dathomir where Maul -unlike Dooku- is completely out of his depth in a Force fight.

*insert joke about Shadow of Dathomir being another fake source here*

See Skillz? Easy.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Maul claims he still serves Sidious, Sidious claims Maul is deceiving him because he is now a rival, then precedes to hold him against the wall with telekinesis while laughing. The context makes it perfectly clear. Maul is a rival because he doesn't serve Sidious any longer, not because they are close in power, because they are not.

Quan doesn't know what the definition of rival is. He just supporting his boyfriend maul again.

Dooku, like always.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Quan doesn't know what the definition of rival is.


Funny when he just called you dumb in the other thread for not knowing the word "indifference."


I keep telling him he needs to stop wasting time trolling and go get himself an education. But he doesn't listen.

Dooku

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
At the beginning of the fight before all this starts, before he shows his disappointment that maul is attempting to decide him, he looks at savage. He can sense tha savage is his apprentice. He also goes on to(after killing savage mind you) tell maul about the "reality of the Sith" and tells him their can only be two. Dave Filoni even goes on to reference this. Add this to how Maul is completely dominated by Sidious even with the aid of his brother, and he still couldn't defeat or even come close to defeating Sidious. Thatbdoesnt change the fact they are rivals as Sheev claimed. Sheev is a rival to Windu despite being beaten by Windu and begging for his life. Rivals can lose to each other, sport.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Sidious destroyed Maul in combat anyway, so Quan's position is completely indefensible. Checkmate. Sidious did defeat him but Maul is still a rival no matter how badly it disgusts you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thatbdoesnt change the fact they are rivals as Sheev claimed. Sheev is a rival to Windu despite being beaten by Windu and begging for his life. Rivals can lose to each other, sport.

Sheev claimed maul to be a rival as a Sith faction. Sheev allowed Windu to win as seen in the films. Also it took a lot for Windu to do that. He needed an amp to just be equal. An amp he has never once had before. Then he needed shatterpoint which again amped to a degree that was and will never be seen before. Rivals don't lose as fast as maul did and don't need help to fight the opponent. Maul had help and when he fought him one on one he lasted seconds. Not minutes.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sheev claimed maul to be a rival as a Sith faction. Sheev allowed Windu to win as seen in the films. Also it took a lot for Windu to do that. He needed an amp to just be equal. An amp he has never once had before. Then he needed shatterpoint which again amped to a degree that was and will never be seen before. Rivals don't lose as fast as maul did and don't need help to fight the opponent. Maul had help and when he fought him one on one he lasted seconds. Not minutes. When did he say a Sith faction ? He doesn't use those words. No, you speculate. it's a fact Windu had him at his mercy. Nah. Rivals can lose any of a number of ways. He's a rival. Don't disrespect Sheev.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did he say a Sith faction ? He doesn't use those words. No, you speculate. it's a fact Windu had him at his mercy. Nah. Rivals can lose any of a number of ways. He's a rival. Don't disrespect Sheev.

He doesn't have to say it for it to be fact. Notice he comes in as maul gains political power, not power as a force weilder, or lightsaber duelist. He referenced the rule of two, and so does Dave Filoni. I've proven it. Windu couldn't have killed Sidious. If Yoda couldn't do it, then Mace can't. Sidious was playing possum as stated by Lucas. Rivals don't lose as quickly as Maul did to Sidious. Rivals don't need help to be able to contend with. We see maul is no where near Sidious level. Rivals are close in power and skill of that area. Maul isn't in terms of saber skills or force power close to Sidious.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He doesn't have to say it for it to be fact. Notice he comes in as maul gains political power, not power as a force weilder, or lightsaber duelist. He referenced the rule of two, and so does Dave Filoni. I've proven it. Windu couldn't have killed Sidious. If Yoda couldn't do it, then Mace can't. Sidious was playing possum as stated by Lucas. Rivals don't lose as quickly as Maul did to Sidious. Rivals don't need help to be able to contend with. We see maul is no where near Sidious level. Rivals are close in power and skill of that area. Maul isn't in terms of saber skills or force power close to Sidious. That is his opinion and he isn't some dummy. That's abc logic. Windu didn't because of Anakin. Yoda failed because he's a little three fort pile of failure shit.

Yes, rivals can lose quickly. You don't know what the word means. Obviously.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is his opinion and he isn't some dummy. That's abc logic. Windu didn't because of Anakin. Yoda failed because he's a little three fort pile of failure shit.

Yes, rivals can lose quickly. You don't know what the word means. Obviously.

No he is the supervising director of TCW and he went into an interview with i09 and sat down and told them about how the fight went. There he makes it pretty clear that maul isn't on Sidious level. The episode makes it clear and so on and so forth. Yoda failed due to positioning. Yoda is the only true rival of ROTS Sidious. Yoda accomplished what Maul and Windu couldn't. He disarmed Sidious without the need of any boost. Maul couldn't come close. He even had help and couldn't do anything to Sidious. He was a rival Sith faction, not a rival in skill or power.

No they don't. If we're rivals our battles will last more than 26 seconds dumbass. You don't know anything.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No he is the supervising director of TCW and he went into an interview with i09 and sat down and told them about how the fight went. There he makes it pretty clear that maul isn't on Sidious level. The episode makes it clear and so on and so forth. Yoda failed due to positioning. Yoda is the only true rival of ROTS Sidious. Yoda accomplished what Maul and Windu couldn't. He disarmed Sidious without the need of any boost. Maul couldn't come close. He even had help and couldn't do anything to Sidious. He was a rival Sith faction, not a rival in skill or power.

No they don't. If we're rivals our battles will last more than 26 seconds dumbass. You don't know anything. They are rivals but Sidious is clearly better. I have always said as much. Yoda failed. He had the lower ground so he lost. Windu won. Facts.

2 Votes for Maul Lol.

It shouldn't be that big a difference in the votes which just reflects the Idiotic case being made for Maul here.

^
There are still people like KT, Juyomaster and quanchi XD

They have a lot of similarities: they believe that Windu is the best, Sidious is clear Yoda's superior, Maul is Dooku's and Kenobi's superior, and Anakin is inferior to all of them. Really funny.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious did defeat him but Maul is still a rival no matter how badly it disgusts you.

Sure he is, but nowhere is it specified as a rival in combat. Especially because Sidious wouldn't be entirely aware if Maul had actually advanced substantially in combat or not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are rivals but Sidious is clearly better. I have always said as much. Yoda failed. He had the lower ground so he lost. Windu won. Facts.

I know. Rival Sith factions. Glad we agree. Sidious>>>>>>>>>>Maul. No you're trying to say that mul is close to Sidious sense you're saying he's a rival in skill. So you concede Yoda isn't a failure. Again, the fight is circumstantial so no it's not fact. Also Windu had a boost, that shows he's not on Sidious/Yoda level.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
At the beginning of the fight before all this starts, before he shows his disappointment that maul is attempting to decide him, he looks at savage. He can sense tha savage is his apprentice. He also goes on to(after killing savage mind you) tell maul about the "reality of the Sith" and tells him their can only be two. Dave Filoni even goes on to reference this. Add this to how Maul is completely dominated by Sidious even with the aid of his brother, and he still couldn't defeat or even come close to defeating Sidious. Again, your thoughts are not facts. His words are. Rival. He was beaten handily by Sidious but he is still a rival. Quit denying facts.

So wtf does him being a rival even prove Quan?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I know. Rival Sith factions. Glad we agree. Sidious>>>>>>>>>>Maul. No you're trying to say that mul is close to Sidious sense you're saying he's a rival in skill. So you concede Yoda isn't a failure. Again, the fight is circumstantial so no it's not fact. Also Windu had a boost, that shows he's not on Sidious/Yoda level. Yoda is greater than Maul and had 800 years to hone his skills. Maul needed more time. Yoda completely failed and came to fight him. Maul was caught off guard and wasn't ready for him yet.

Maul also was a failure in that way of thinking. Defeated and humiliated by jedi padawan. He survived that, and that's his greatest feat. After that, he was able to recover only because of huge portion of NS' magic that Talzin filled him with. If not Talzin, he would be still a twisted, pathetic cave's robo-spider.
After his return, Obi-Wan humiliated him once again. Maul barely escaped, and - along with his brother - would be dead if not the Death Watch's help.
Saved once again, he created his pathetic criminal empire, and decided to challange Sidious' posiotion as Dark Lord of the Sith. Sidious found him faster then he could predict and Maul was humiliated once again. By Sidious and by himself, when he pathetically beg for his life.
Once again he survived, only because Sidious decided to use him as a bait for Talzin. That led to Talzin's death, and another Maul's failure and humiliation. Sad story. Really.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda is greater than Maul and had 800 years to hone his skills. Maul needed more time. Yoda completely failed and came to fight him. Maul was caught off guard and wasn't ready for him yet.

Maul could ahve all the time in the world and would never have reached Sidious leve. Even taking TPM Sidious, maul would have never reached that level. Then you wanna say he would be able to reach Dark Empire sidious. Maul is weak, and will never ever reach that level. You've already admitted Yoda failed due to positioning so a really irrelevant point. So by that logic Sidious was also caught off guard, since Yoda came to fight him, and he wasn't "ready". Maul had the home field advantage, two vs one advantage, more blades. You can't be not ready for a fight. He sensed Sidious coming. No amount of training could have prepared him for what Sidious could do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Maul could ahve all the time in the world and would never have reached Sidious leve.


Well Maul clearly had great potential, which was the reason Sidious kidnapped him as a child, but yeah he doesn't seemed to have had Sidious's level. If he did Sidious wouldn't have replaced him so easily.

Probably closer to Windu level potential.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well Maul clearly had great potential, which was the reason Sidious kidnapped him as a child, but yeah he doesn't seemed to have had Sidious's level. If he did Sidious wouldn't have replaced him so easily.

Probably closer to Windu level potential.

He did, but never in a thousand year, not even a million would he be able to Sidious level. Well Dooku would have more potential and would be a much better apprentice. He's more skilled, more intelligent, more powerful, had much better trianing. Also their mindsets. Dooku would be the more preferred mindset. Overall Dooku would be the better apprentice, and also had the better connection which helped him during the clone wars.

Dooku wins, every single time.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Maul could ahve all the time in the world and would never have reached Sidious leve. Even taking TPM Sidious, maul would have never reached that level. Then you wanna say he would be able to reach Dark Empire sidious. Maul is weak, and will never ever reach that level. You've already admitted Yoda failed due to positioning so a really irrelevant point. So by that logic Sidious was also caught off guard, since Yoda came to fight him, and he wasn't "ready". Maul had the home field advantage, two vs one advantage, more blades. You can't be not ready for a fight. He sensed Sidious coming. No amount of training could have prepared him for what Sidious could do. Speculation. Maul's skill wasn't ready. He was also caught off guard. Palpatine is more skilled and more powerful but Maul is still a rival per Sheev's own words.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. Maul's skill wasn't ready. He was also caught off guard. Palpatine is more skilled and more powerful but Maul is still a rival per Sheev's own words.

No it's not. It's based off evidence. Even at his current skill rate he was on Kenobi level. Kenobi has been shown to be below several people as force weilders. He will never and would never reach Sidious. A rival in what exactly?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it's not. It's based off evidence. Even at his current skill rate he was on Kenobi level. Kenobi has been shown to be below several people as force weilders. He will never and would never reach Sidious. A rival in what exactly? It's speculative but sod says otherwise. He's always been greater than Kenobi who bested Vader who even Sidious said would surpass him. Rival Sith.

You guys should stop talking to each other.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You guys should stop talking to each other.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He did, but never in a thousand year, not even a million would he be able to Sidious level. Well Dooku would have more potential and would be a much better apprentice. He's more skilled, more intelligent, more powerful, had much better trianing. Also their mindsets. Dooku would be the more preferred mindset. Overall Dooku would be the better apprentice, and also had the better connection which helped him during the clone wars.

The reason Dooku was more powerful was because he had actualized far more of his potential than Maul.

But I'm sure Maul's "potential" in the Force was greater.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculative but sod says otherwise. He's always been greater than Kenobi who bested Vader who even Sidious said would surpass him. Rival Sith.

Your noob opinion is opposite to the movie. Kenobi beat Maul ergo Kenobi > Maul. Your own logic. Fact, as you call it

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The reason Dooku was more powerful was because he had actualized far more of his potential than Maul.

But I'm sure Maul's "potential" in the Force was greater.

Basing on "Legends", I wouldn't say that. Maul never meant to be a true Sith Lord. He was only a true Lords' weapon.
Dooku was on the other hand, the finest apprentice of Yoda's Order.
Dooku, Mace and perhaps even a few others, Vos for example, might all have greater potential then Maul.

But it should be noted, that Talzin's intervention could increases Maul's potential.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The reason Dooku was more powerful was because he had actualized far more of his potential than Maul.

But I'm sure Maul's "potential" in the Force was greater.

I wouldn't say that. I can see the reasoning, but to say Maul's potential is greater than Dooku's is hard to swallow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculative but sod says otherwise. He's always been greater than Kenobi who bested Vader who even Sidious said would surpass him. Rival Sith.

How does SOD prove it? If anything it proves my point. Maul went crying to his mama who still couldn't beat Sidious, even when she had the. Home field advantage. Well if he was better than why couldn't he beat Kenobi when he had a 2v1 advantage. That's A>B>C logic which doesn't work considering Anakin is canocially states to be above Kenobi as a duelist. Also going by that logic Dooku>Obi wan>Anakin> however we've seen Anakin beat Dooku, so it doesn't work that way. So you concede. A rival Sith, not in lightsaber skills, or Sith force powers.

SOD actually proves Dooku > Maul.

Because when Windu thinks Dooku and Maul ate the 2 Sith Lords, he immediately states Dooku must be the Master, and Maul the Apprentice.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
SOD actually proves Dooku > Maul.

Because when Windu thinks Dooku and Maul ate the 2 Sith Lords, he immediately states Dooku must be the Master, and Maul the Apprentice.

IIRC, the author of SOD states maul's force powers are not on the level of and I quote,"Vader's, not even Dooku's level of mastery. He stands alongside the great Sith of all time through sheer strength of will."

Still lowballing Darth Maul I see ? This is why I left this forum....

Originally posted by McP
Maul never meant to be a true Sith Lord.

Do you believe this guy ? This guy actually says that Darth Maul is not a Sith Lord... I mean how can you lowball him more than this ?

YZ4LuG8e3vI

V8cSV3UPToU

Originally posted by Darth Thor
SOD actually proves Dooku > Maul.



It proves that because of Mace Windu's obviously wrong assumption on their partnership ? Lol, yes it is. Not to mention how Mace manage to discover their power level while he obviously fail to capture Maul there despite the fact Aayla Secura was helping.

Obviously Mace would think that because Dooku has more power than Maul as a leader of the CIS, while Maul has the smaller function such as Shadow Collective, how Maul can be the master in this ? Maul himself asked to Dooku that he should become his apprentice, it seems that their power isn't so far someone wise person like Maul is trying to take Dooku as a new apprentice.

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/Star-Wars---Darth-Maul---Son-of-Dathomir-0_zpselfcfzmv.jpg
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
IIRC, the author of SOD states maul's force powers are not on the level of and I quote,"Vader's, not even Dooku's level of mastery. He stands alongside the great Sith of all time through sheer strength of will."

And same author says Maul beats Dooku 7 / 10. What happened that did you forget that part ?

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/barlow%20maul_zpskzpfz18w.png

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I wouldn't say that. I can see the reasoning, but to say Maul's potential is greater than Dooku's is hard to swallow.
How is that hard to swallow?

He's Talzin's son, and with 22ish years(not counting the time he spent as a deranged spider) he can already at least compete with Dooku in combat.

I don't quite see how that's hard to swallow.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Still lowballing Darth Maul I see ? This is why I left this forum....



Do you believe this guy ? This guy actually says that Darth Maul is not a Sith Lord... I mean how can you lowball him more than this ?

YZ4LuG8e3vI

V8cSV3UPToU



It proves that because of Mace Windu's obviously wrong assumption on their partnership ? Lol, yes it is. Not to mention how Mace manage to discover their power level while he obviously fail to capture Maul there despite the fact Aayla Secura was helping.

Obviously Mace would think that because Dooku has more power than Maul as a leader of the CIS, while Maul has the smaller function such as Shadow Collective, how Maul can be the master in this ? Maul himself asked to Dooku that he should become his apprentice, it seems that their power isn't so far someone wise person like Maul is trying to take Dooku as a new apprentice.

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/Star-Wars---Darth-Maul---Son-of-Dathomir-0_zpselfcfzmv.jpg


And same author says Maul beats Dooku 7 / 10. What happened that did you forget that part ?

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/barlow%20maul_zpskzpfz18w.png So emperor Sidious was lying and the guy who wrote son of dathomir stated maul wins as I have always stated.


Darth Thor says I don't know Star Wars and yet the guy who wrote a canon piece agrees with me. **** yes. I love being right. Maul wins.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
How is that hard to swallow?

He's Talzin's son, and with 22ish years(not counting the time he spent as a deranged spider) he can already at least compete with Dooku in combat.

I don't quite see how that's hard to swallow.

I mean in force power not dueling skill. In the force I've never looked at it that way.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Still lowballing Darth Maul I see ? This is why I left this forum....



Do you believe this guy ? This guy actually says that Darth Maul is not a Sith Lord... I mean how can you lowball him more than this ?

YZ4LuG8e3vI

V8cSV3UPToU



It proves that because of Mace Windu's obviously wrong assumption on their partnership ? Lol, yes it is. Not to mention how Mace manage to discover their power level while he obviously fail to capture Maul there despite the fact Aayla Secura was helping.

Obviously Mace would think that because Dooku has more power than Maul as a leader of the CIS, while Maul has the smaller function such as Shadow Collective, how Maul can be the master in this ? Maul himself asked to Dooku that he should become his apprentice, it seems that their power isn't so far someone wise person like Maul is trying to take Dooku as a new apprentice.

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/Star-Wars---Darth-Maul---Son-of-Dathomir-0_zpselfcfzmv.jpg


And same author says Maul beats Dooku 7 / 10. What happened that did you forget that part ?

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/barlow%20maul_zpskzpfz18w.png


Well the question does clearly state how many do you think. Think means opinion. Dooku's feats are far better than Maul's. If the author says his force powers are greater than Maul's and then the feats back it up, it sticks. This guy had an opinion about all out duels. So really Maul beating Dooku 7/10 or even 6/10 is laughable. Dooku beats Maul about that or even 8/10 as proven by feats and everything else really.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So emperor Sidious was lying and the guy who wrote son of dathomir stated maul wins as I have always stated.


Darth Thor says I don't know Star Wars and yet the guy who wrote a canon piece agrees with me. **** yes. I love being right. Maul wins.

Look a little closer Quan. The text clearly says its all his opinion? You do know what an opinion is right? Maul is below Dooku and always has been.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Still lowballing Darth Maul I see ? This is why I left this forum....


That's a shame. I kinda missed you bro.





Originally posted by Marco1907
Obviously Mace would think that because Dooku has more power than Maul as a leader of the CIS, while Maul has the smaller function such as Shadow Collective, how Maul can be the master in this ? Maul himself asked to Dooku that he should become his apprentice, it seems that their power isn't so far someone wise person like Maul is trying to take Dooku as a new apprentice.




Doubtful. Because that's not how Sith Master Apprenticeships work.

It's not about who has the bigger army, but whose more Powerful in the Force.


Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well the question does clearly state how many do you think. Think means opinion. \


He specifically stated it's just his opinion, and not canon. He also outright said Maul's not as Powerful in the Force as Dooku, but thinks he would win due to willpower.

Marco that was a nice try. I'm serious that was actually good. Better than Quan ever could have assembled for Maul. I give you props dood.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Marco that was a nice try. I'm serious that was actually good. Better than Quan ever could have assembled for Maul. I give you props dood.


Oh yeah I even said the 2/3 votes were too small for Maul. Which was a testament to the ridiculous case Quanchi was putting up for him.

"BUT PALPATINE SAYS HE'S A RIVAL"

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh yeah I even said the 2/3 votes were too small for Maul. Which was a testament to the ridiculous case Quanchi was putting up for him.

"BUT PALPATINE SAYS HE'S A RIVAL"

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Look a little closer Quan. The text clearly says its all his opinion? You do know what an opinion is right? Maul is below Dooku and always has been. And his opinion backs my own. He handled canon Star Wars so it carries weight. All you fools out there who are wrong just bask in my glory. I know Star Wars. You and Darth Thor just fake it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And his opinion backs my own. He handled canon Star Wars so it carries weight. All you fools out there who are wrong just bask in my glory. I know Star Wars. You and Darth Thor just fake it.

It's weight, but it's not fact, it's not official, it's not a deciding factor. You know what you want to know. Now you're just mad that your proof is just someone's opinion.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's weight, but it's not fact, it's not official, it's not a deciding factor. You know what you want to know. Now you're just mad that your proof is just someone's opinion. Its you Star Wars fans who act like opinions are all that matters and I throw it back in your face. Maul is superior to Dooku just as I have always said.

I see ILS's worst nightmare has returned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its you Star Wars fans who act like opinions are all that matters and I throw it back in your face. Maul is superior to Dooku just as I have always said.

I've actually never used opinions as facts, because all they are just opinions. That's why just because one person says something you can't take it at face value. All depends on who says it and the context. Here the author says maul beating Dooku is his own opinion, showing its not meant to be taken as fact. Other cases Lucas or Filoni say things and not only are there words more factual(however some still opinion) it's proven by the feats and accolades of other characters. So really there is nothing that puts maul above Dooku. However there are plenty of things that put Dooku above.

1. Christopher Lee himself says in the AOTC commentary that Dooku is the most skilled lightsaber Duelsit in the galaxy

2. Dooku lasted longer agaisnt Yoda longer than Maul did agaisnt Sidious 1v1

3. Maul can barely handle Kenobi, while Dooku can handle Kenobi and Anakin at the same time.

4. Dooku's force powers are demonstrated to be more powerful

5. Dooku's lightsaber skills are more refined and he has better feats than Maul.

6. Dooku has compensated for the weakensses of his style, and this is shown by his angles with Anakin and savage.

7. He knows all 7 styles making him more versatile

8. Overall better feats

9. More experience

10. Smarter.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I've actually never used opinions as facts, because all they are just opinions. That's why just because one person says something you can't take it at face value. All depends on who says it and the context. Here the author says maul beating Dooku is his own opinion, showing its not meant to be taken as fact. Other cases Lucas or Filoni say things and not only are there words more factual(however some still opinion) it's proven by the feats and accolades of other characters. So really there is nothing that puts maul above Dooku. However there are plenty of things that put Dooku above.

1. Christopher Lee himself says in the AOTC commentary that Dooku is the most skilled lightsaber Duelsit in the galaxy

2. Dooku lasted longer agaisnt Yoda longer than Maul did agaisnt Sidious 1v1

3. Maul can barely handle Kenobi, while Dooku can handle Kenobi and Anakin at the same time.

4. Dooku's force powers are demonstrated to be more powerful

5. Dooku's lightsaber skills are more refined and he has better feats than Maul.

6. Dooku has compensated for the weakensses of his style, and this is shown by his angles with Anakin and savage.

7. He knows all 7 styles making him more versatile

8. Overall better feats

9. More experience

10. Smarter.

1. He's wrong.

2. Sidious beat Yoda.

3. Dooku lost and it's abc logic.


4. I agree but that won't matter since it comes down to sabers.


5. Untrue.

6. Untrue.

7. Doesn't make him more effective.

8. Untrue.

9. Also older and a geriatric.

10. Untrue. He was Sidious' puppet and went to his death like a true lackey.

lol Marco.

Originally posted by Trocity
lol Marco.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. He's wrong.

2. Sidious beat Yoda.

3. Dooku lost and it's abc logic.


4. I agree but that won't matter since it comes down to sabers.


5. Untrue.

6. Untrue.

7. Doesn't make him more effective.

8. Untrue.

9. Also older and a geriatric.

10. Untrue. He was Sidious' puppet and went to his death like a true lackey.

So you concede opinions are opinions. They don't hold much weight without feats to back it up. Also he could have meant that as Dooku was the most refined duelist in the galaxy. This could very well be true seeing his style is an elegant one me at to be the most refined.

2) Yoda disarmed him.

3. Dooku actually held them off while Maul was pushed on hai backfoot agaisnt both an injured Kenobi, and when he and a 2v1 advantage. Don't ignore ABC here in this case. Dooku can handle Kenobi and Anakin, maul can barely handle Kenobi.

4) Based on? This could just as well be decided by their force powers. Sense Dooku is just as good, most likely better Duelsit, if he sees he's not getting anywhere or maul starts to gain the edge, Dooku will use his force powers so he won't lose.

5) Based On?

6) Based On? He was able to deflect the aggressive strikes of the two, and even disamr both of them and defeat them.

7) yes it does. Being more versatile gives you more option in combat. He knows the weakness and strenghts of all the styles, and Maul's completely aggressive style is bound to ahve many holes that Dooku's precise style can penetrate.

8) Based on? What feats does maul have to compete agaisnt Dooku?

9) Doesn't have anything to do with the point stated. Also Dooku was stated to be healthier than men have his age, and has beaten several combatants who aren't human and younger and also had an age advantage and species advantage over him. Sora Bulq and Opress. Then Anakin and Obi boy younger and in better physical shape, able to beat Windu. Your case has no merits.

10) Based On? Dooku didn't let a padawan jump up and bisect him.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you concede opinions are opinions. They don't hold much weight without feats to back it up. Also he could have meant that as Dooku was the most refined duelist in the galaxy. This could very well be true seeing his style is an elegant one me at to be the most refined.

2) Yoda disarmed him.

3. Dooku actually held them off while Maul was pushed on hai backfoot agaisnt both an injured Kenobi, and when he and a 2v1 advantage. Don't ignore ABC here in this case. Dooku can handle Kenobi and Anakin, maul can barely handle Kenobi.

4) Based on? This could just as well be decided by their force powers. Sense Dooku is just as good, most likely better Duelsit, if he sees he's not getting anywhere or maul starts to gain the edge, Dooku will use his force powers so he won't lose.

5) Based On?

6) Based On? He was able to deflect the aggressive strikes of the two, and even disamr both of them and defeat them.

7) yes it does. Being more versatile gives you more option in combat. He knows the weakness and strenghts of all the styles, and Maul's completely aggressive style is bound to ahve many holes that Dooku's precise style can penetrate.

8) Based on? What feats does maul have to compete agaisnt Dooku?

9) Doesn't have anything to do with the point stated. Also Dooku was stated to be healthier than men have his age, and has beaten several combatants who aren't human and younger and also had an age advantage and species advantage over him. Sora Bulq and Opress. Then Anakin and Obi boy younger and in better physical shape, able to beat Windu. Your case has no merits.

10) Based On? Dooku didn't let a padawan jump up and bisect him. I never said they decided the outcomes but this one carries weight since he's handled both characters. Maul wins.

2) Yoda still lost.

3) Anakin killed him. Maul defeated Qui and Kenobi skill wise. Abc logic.

4) That is your opinion which makes no sense. Baseless claim.

5) reality.

6) Anakin killed him and Opress was never anything that special.

7) Anakin got beat by Kenobi and yet he beat Dooku. Maul beats Dooku.

8). I have answered this too many times.

9). He's older and slower. Vos made him look awful. I'm right yet again.

10). Dooku is dead whereas Maul isn't. Hondo captured Dooku without a fight. What a loser.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they decided the outcomes but this one carries weight since he's handled both characters. Maul wins.

2) Yoda still lost.

3) Anakin killed him. Maul defeated Qui and Kenobi skill wise. Abc logic.

4) That is your opinion which makes no sense. Baseless claim.

5) reality.

6) Anakin killed him and Opress was never anything that special.

7) Anakin got beat by Kenobi and yet he beat Dooku. Maul beats Dooku.

8). I have answered this too many times.

9). He's older and slower. Vos made him look awful. I'm right yet again.

10). Dooku is dead whereas Maul isn't. Hondo captured Dooku without a fight. What a loser.


1) Guess what Christopher Lee Actaully WAS COUNT DOOKU. His statements on his character hold more weight than the author of this story. It's his opinion and it shall remain as such since maul has no feats to compete.

2). Concession accepted.

3) Anakin >Qui Gon and this is the superior form of Kenobi so Dooku fought the better pair.

4) No it's not. Dooku and Maul are fighting with their sabers. If Dooku sees he's in trouble, or maul is gaining any sort of edge he will turn this to a force duel. This is proven by this https://youtu.be/kSO1SjHQfCA 0:18-0:49 and 1:16-1:20 he turns it into a force fight sense he is obviously becoming overwhelmed.

5) That's not an answer. This is a fictional universe with fictional characters. There is no reality. Prove that maul has better saber feats or concede.

6) After how many tries?

7) Based On? Maul couldn't beat Obi, and Maul isn't Anakin level so not sure how this helps your claim.

8) no you haven't. You've just said he's physically better which Dooku has already shown he can defend and win agaisnt.

9) Older yes. Slower hell no. Dooku has shown greater speeds than Maul, and is described as faster than Kenobi who is own maul level.

10) At least Dooku went down by someone who was better than him, and by a Jedi council keener instead of some padawan. Maul is a big loser who just couldn't find a home. He and Ventress should hook up.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1) Guess what Christopher Lee Actaully WAS COUNT DOOKU. His statements on his character hold more weight than the author of this story. It's his opinion and it shall remain as such since maul has no feats to compete.

2). Concession accepted.

3) Anakin >Qui Gon and this is the superior form of Kenobi so Dooku fought the better pair.

4) No it's not. Dooku and Maul are fighting with their sabers. If Dooku sees he's in trouble, or maul is gaining any sort of edge he will turn this to a force duel. This is proven by this https://youtu.be/kSO1SjHQfCA 0:18-0:49 and 1:16-1:20 he turns it into a force fight sense he is obviously becoming overwhelmed.

5) That's not an answer. This is a fictional universe with fictional characters. There is no reality. Prove that maul has better saber feats or concede.

6) After how many tries?

7) Based On? Maul couldn't beat Obi, and Maul isn't Anakin level so not sure how this helps your claim.

8) no you haven't. You've just said he's physically better which Dooku has already shown he can defend and win agaisnt.

9) Older yes. Slower hell no. Dooku has shown greater speeds than Maul, and is described as faster than Kenobi who is own maul level.

10) At least Dooku went down by someone who was better than him, and by a Jedi council keener instead of some padawan. Maul is a big loser who just couldn't find a home. He and Ventress should hook up. 1)writer >actor since the writers decide what happens the actors act it out, kid.

2). Irony

3). Abc logic and one on one Anakin crushed him.

4). Abc logic fail.

5). Windu, Sidious, pre vizsla, and superior speed.

6). Anakin is no Maul but he did kill weakling Dooku.

7). Maul has defeated Kenobi and you lie.


8). Faster, stronger, more aggressive.


9). Vos showed off how slow Dooku is. Canon.

10). Maui isn't dead Dooku is. Weak.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1)writer >actor since the writers decide what happens the actors act it out, kid.

2). Irony

3). Abc logic and one on one Anakin crushed him.

4). Abc logic fail.

5). Windu, Sidious, pre vizsla, and superior speed.

6). Anakin is no Maul but he did kill weakling Dooku.

7). Maul has defeated Kenobi and you lie.


8). Faster, stronger, more aggressive.


9). Vos showed off how slow Dooku is. Canon.

10). Maui isn't dead Dooku is. Weak.

Writer of a C-Canon material versus the actor of the G-Canon movie who had to know his character. Actor defintily better. Lee would have the ability to talk to Lucas about his character. Lee is defiantly more valid than this author who speciffacly said this was just his opinion.

3) It's common sense Actaully. Again after how many tries?

4) Where is the ABC logic there. I just showed you an isn't mace where Dooku was being overwhelmed and he resorted to his of red powers. That's a concession again.

5) How is that proof, you just listed a bunch of names.

6) No Anakin is just better than Maul as canocially proven and so is Dooku. he also deflected the fast and aggressive strikes from General Grevious and even disarmed him.

7) With having what a 2v1 advantage and rage boost, and even then Kenobi basically stalemated him.

8) Faater No. Stronger, debatable since Dooku was able to sustain the assaults of Grevious, Opress, Yoda, and Anakina need Obi at one time, Quin Lin Vos, Sora Bulq, Tholme, and many others. Dooku can handle aggressive strikes as seen in the movies and TCW.

9) That just shows how good Vos was. Also have you read the book? I remember seeing somewhere you said you haven't read it yet?

10) Dooku went down like a champ at the hands of a champ. Maul went down like a pussy, lost his mom, his army, and lost to a padawan. Now that's weak.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Writer of a C-Canon material versus the actor of the G-Canon movie who had to know his character. Actor defintily better. Lee would have the ability to talk to Lucas about his character. Lee is defiantly more valid than this author who speciffacly said this was just his opinion.

3) It's common sense Actaully. Again after how many tries?

4) Where is the ABC logic there. I just showed you an isn't mace where Dooku was being overwhelmed and he resorted to his of red powers. That's a concession again.

5) How is that proof, you just listed a bunch of names.

6) No Anakin is just better than Maul as canocially proven and so is Dooku. he also deflected the fast and aggressive strikes from General Grevious and even disarmed him.

7) With having what a 2v1 advantage and rage boost, and even then Kenobi basically stalemated him.

8) Faater No. Stronger, debatable since Dooku was able to sustain the assaults of Grevious, Opress, Yoda, and Anakina need Obi at one time, Quin Lin Vos, Sora Bulq, Tholme, and many others. Dooku can handle aggressive strikes as seen in the movies and TCW.

9) That just shows how good Vos was. Also have you read the book? I remember seeing somewhere you said you haven't read it yet?

10) Dooku went down like a champ at the hands of a champ. Maul went down like a pussy, lost his mom, his army, and lost to a padawan. Now that's weak. It is all canon and those ratings are gone since the eu is gone, kiddo. An actor playing a role's opinion isn't a fact and carries little weight. You don't even believe Dooku is the most skilled.

3). Who cares ? He waxed him. Easily.

4). So you don't know what abc logic means.

5). His feats of combat with them.

6). Based on what ? Kenobi bested him so abc logic right back at ya.

7). Kenobi lost when he had a rage boost. You need to quit using double standards.

8). Dooku went down to anakin and was embarrassed by Vos. Maul exploits his slow reactions as I proclaimed.

9). Someone poster the page and I kept it how he showed how much faster he was. Embarrassing.

10). Dooku went down confused and without uttering a word. He was used and died like a true lackey without being none the wiser. Maul lived on despite Sheev's contempt for him. Mauls his own maul unlike Dooku.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is all canon and those ratings are gone since the eu is gone, kiddo. An actor playing a role's opinion isn't a fact and carries little weight. You don't even believe Dooku is the most skilled.

3). Who cares ? He waxed him. Easily.

4). So you don't know what abc logic means.

5). His feats of combat with them.

6). Based on what ? Kenobi bested him so abc logic right back at ya.

7). Kenobi lost when he had a rage boost. You need to quit using double standards.

8). Dooku went down to anakin and was embarrassed by Vos. Maul exploits his slow reactions as I proclaimed.

9). Someone poster the page and I kept it how he showed how much faster he was. Embarrassing.

10). Dooku went down confused and without uttering a word. He was used and died like a true lackey without being none the wiser. Maul lived on despite Sheev's contempt for him. Mauls his own maul unlike Dooku.

So by that logic SOD has just as much control over Darth Maul as TPM even though on is more powerful than the other. It carri s more weight than the opinion of a writer. He's defintily the most refined Duelsit. That's most likely what lee meant.

3) After how many tries. Last battle he needed a boost, so whatever it is, it wasn't easily. Dooku was taking him and Obi wan down. Even with that boost Dooku was able to take his power blows, and only loss due to a finesse move. So your claim has little merit since Anakin had a boost after a number of tries.

4) It not in this point. No one is saying anyone is greater than the other so they must be greater in this point. The point is Dooku fought an opponent and once he was pressured he turned it to a force powers where Anakin would lose and he could get away.

5) He fought Windu for an unspecified amount of time, and only had one motion. If that's the case Dooku has also fought Windu during the clone wars and was able to contend or stalemate even though the time was unspecified. Dooku lasted longer agaisnt Yoda then Maul did against Sidious, and Dooku didn't even have help and just came off fighting Obi wan and Anakin, and Yoda came to him and he challenged Yoda, while maul cowered in fear. Dooku has fought several people superior to vizla. So really your points with those names are? He doesn't have superior speed. If Dooku can contend with Yoda, maul is no problem.

6) The fact that Nick Guillard the stunt coordinator says that Anakin is a 9 and Obi is an 8. Maul based on showings is about equal to Kenobi and we see he's no match for Sidious so he isn't a 9. He's about equal to Obi wan so he's an 8 realisticly. Also Obi never beat Anakin through skill so it doesn't matter. You can't even use ABC logic right.

7) He actually showed to be his equal with that rage boost. He disamred him of one of his blades and fought as equals with him until maul used his force powers which isn't bad it just shows Kenobi could contend and stalemate him. What double standards?

8) So now you're more of an idiot than previously thought. Anakin is canocially better in almost all areas than Dooku so that's really not much Dooku can do about that. Vos had a massive rage boost and gained speed that just surpassed the counts. Even Anakin didn't display superior speed in that battle, and Dooku was able to contend with Anakins strength. Maul isn't doing anything to the Count.

9) So being faster than Dooku is embarrassing to Dooku? He can't be that fast. However he has contended with faster duelist and survived. Maul must be humiliated, since Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Dooku, Anakin, etc are faster than him.


10) Dooku did that to show he wouldn't beg for,his life as per the wishes of Christopher Lee. Maul is a child compared to Dooku.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2


8. Overall better feats




Originally posted by quanchi112


8. Untrue.




Originally posted by EmperorSidious2


8) Based on? What feats does maul have to compete agaisnt Dooku?





Originally posted by quanchi112


8). I have answered this too many times.





Originally posted by EmperorSidious2

8) no you haven't.You've just said he's physically better which Dooku has already shown he can defend and win agaisnt.





Originally posted by quanchi112


8). Faster, stronger, more aggressive.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
9) Older yes. Slower hell no. Dooku has shown greater speeds than Maul, and is described as faster than Kenobi who is own maul level.
Not that I disagree that Dooku>Maul, but do you have a quote for that?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not that I disagree that Dooku>Maul, but do you have a quote for that?

It's either ATOC or the fake out Kenobi gave him in ROTS that made Kenobi look slower

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So by that logic SOD has just as much control over Darth Maul as TPM even though on is more powerful than the other. It carri s more weight than the opinion of a writer. He's defintily the most refined Duelsit. That's most likely what lee meant.

3) After how many tries. Last battle he needed a boost, so whatever it is, it wasn't easily. Dooku was taking him and Obi wan down. Even with that boost Dooku was able to take his power blows, and only loss due to a finesse move. So your claim has little merit since Anakin had a boost after a number of tries.

4) It not in this point. No one is saying anyone is greater than the other so they must be greater in this point. The point is Dooku fought an opponent and once he was pressured he turned it to a force powers where Anakin would lose and he could get away.

5) He fought Windu for an unspecified amount of time, and only had one motion. If that's the case Dooku has also fought Windu during the clone wars and was able to contend or stalemate even though the time was unspecified. Dooku lasted longer agaisnt Yoda then Maul did against Sidious, and Dooku didn't even have help and just came off fighting Obi wan and Anakin, and Yoda came to him and he challenged Yoda, while maul cowered in fear. Dooku has fought several people superior to vizla. So really your points with those names are? He doesn't have superior speed. If Dooku can contend with Yoda, maul is no problem.

6) The fact that Nick Guillard the stunt coordinator says that Anakin is a 9 and Obi is an 8. Maul based on showings is about equal to Kenobi and we see he's no match for Sidious so he isn't a 9. He's about equal to Obi wan so he's an 8 realisticly. Also Obi never beat Anakin through skill so it doesn't matter. You can't even use ABC logic right.

7) He actually showed to be his equal with that rage boost. He disamred him of one of his blades and fought as equals with him until maul used his force powers which isn't bad it just shows Kenobi could contend and stalemate him. What double standards?

8) So now you're more of an idiot than previously thought. Anakin is canocially better in almost all areas than Dooku so that's really not much Dooku can do about that. Vos had a massive rage boost and gained speed that just surpassed the counts. Even Anakin didn't display superior speed in that battle, and Dooku was able to contend with Anakins strength. Maul isn't doing anything to the Count.

9) So being faster than Dooku is embarrassing to Dooku? He can't be that fast. However he has contended with faster duelist and survived. Maul must be humiliated, since Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Dooku, Anakin, etc are faster than him.


10) Dooku did that to show he wouldn't beg for,his life as per the wishes of Christopher Lee. Maul is a child compared to Dooku. Writer >actor.

3). Dooku provided the boost. He's stupid and dead.

4). Speculation.

5). Sidious beat Yoda. It took him some time to wear down Maul who kicked him. Dooku wouldn't dare and was easily force choked by Sidious. Pathetic.


6). Kenobi won and the stunt guy just has an opinion. Movies showed us differently.

7). Kenobi admitted he couldn't best him with a. Rage boost. You don't look at rage in some showings but act like it does t count in other showings.


8). As I said Dooku lacks,power and speed. Maul wins as Vos and Anakin did.

9). Speculate nonsense and Sidious can best Dooku by force choking.

10). Sidious begged for his life. Dooku died like a good little yes man. Rest in hell, coward.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not that I disagree that Dooku>Maul, but do you have a quote for that?

Do you believe in respect threads? I do have a quote in Dooku's respect thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Writer >actor.

3). Dooku provided the boost. He's stupid and dead.

4). Speculation.

5). Sidious beat Yoda. It took him some time to wear down Maul who kicked him. Dooku wouldn't dare and was easily force choked by Sidious. Pathetic.


6). Kenobi won and the stunt guy just has an opinion. Movies showed us differently.

7). Kenobi admitted he couldn't best him with a. Rage boost. You don't look at rage in some showings but act like it does t count in other showings.


8). As I said Dooku lacks,power and speed. Maul wins as Vos and Anakin did.

9). Speculate nonsense and Sidious can best Dooku by force choking.

10). Sidious begged for his life. Dooku died like a good little yes man. Rest in hell, coward.

Based on?

3) So you concede that if he didn't have the boost the battle woudl have ended differently.

4) So basing something off of a battle, in fact two battles and common sense is speculation? Are you sure you know what the word speculation means?

5) So now you're saying that Maul's performance against Sidious is anything Yoda did. First of all at least Yoda was able to disarm Sidious. Yoda is at least a rival in skill and force power. Yoda doesn't need a partner to contend. The two instances aren't comparable. Yoda did way better than maul. Maul was easily TK'd agaisnt a wall, what are you talking about? Now that's pathetic.

6. The stunt guys opinions are taken as just general facts. Especially when something like that. He says Anakin is a 9. He says Obi is an 8. Anakin greater than Obi. If it were the reverse he woudl retract his statement, but he didn't.

7) Where did he admit he couldn't beat him? Put them in a pure saber contest and Obi would be his equal. I don't discount it. It just one of those things that can be used both ways. When the person I'm rooting for lost due to a rage amp, it help me because I know that person couldn't have beaten them without a rage boost. You can figure out the opposite. I acknowledge it, just different according to the situation.

8) As you've said yes. You've said that many times. You've made that same BS claim with no proof. Now show proof or this point is another concession.

9) Actaully they are faster. Sidious and Yoda re about equal speed and each have been shown to be able to move faster than Maul. Mace had Vaapad and is naturally better. Same with Dooku. Anakin when in the zone is also faster.

10) Sidious was faking all that as stated in the commentary of ROTS. So maul loses to a yes man. Nice to know. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not that I disagree that Dooku>Maul, but do you have a quote for that?


The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader states something like "Kenobi moved fast, but Dooku moved faster" regarding their ROTS fight.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Based on?

3) So you concede that if he didn't have the boost the battle woudl have ended differently.

4) So basing something off of a battle, in fact two battles and common sense is speculation? Are you sure you know what the word speculation means?

5) So now you're saying that Maul's performance against Sidious is anything Yoda did. First of all at least Yoda was able to disarm Sidious. Yoda is at least a rival in skill and force power. Yoda doesn't need a partner to contend. The two instances aren't comparable. Yoda did way better than maul. Maul was easily TK'd agaisnt a wall, what are you talking about? Now that's pathetic.

6. The stunt guys opinions are taken as just general facts. Especially when something like that. He says Anakin is a 9. He says Obi is an 8. Anakin greater than Obi. If it were the reverse he woudl retract his statement, but he didn't.

7) Where did he admit he couldn't beat him? Put them in a pure saber contest and Obi would be his equal. I don't discount it. It just one of those things that can be used both ways. When the person I'm rooting for lost due to a rage amp, it help me because I know that person couldn't have beaten them without a rage boost. You can figure out the opposite. I acknowledge it, just different according to the situation.

8) As you've said yes. You've said that many times. You've made that same BS claim with no proof. Now show proof or this point is another concession.

9) Actaully they are faster. Sidious and Yoda re about equal speed and each have been shown to be able to move faster than Maul. Mace had Vaapad and is naturally better. Same with Dooku. Anakin when in the zone is also faster.

10) Sidious was faking all that as stated in the commentary of ROTS. So maul loses to a yes man. Nice to know. Concession accepted. Writer decides what happens the actor doesn't, kid.

3). Speculation. We do know what did happen and the facts won't change.

4). Common sense isn't common in you. That's the problem, kid.

5). Yoda did better but he lost as well. Saying what Dooku did is irrelevant.


6). No, that's just his opinion just as the writer of dathomir has his own opinion. Not a fact, kid.

7). In the episode. Watch it again, noob. Maul is better.

8). His movements compared to Dooku's.

9). Based on ? Kenobi kept up just fine with Anakin unlike with Maul.

10). Feigning after stating he'd kill Windu. He needed to beg to get anakin to feel sympathy and manipulate him. Maul crushes the yes man.

@EmperorSidious2

Stop this, that's pointless. He's worse then K.Thanosi.

Originally posted by McP
@EmperorSidious2

Stop this, that's pointless. He's worse then K.Thanosi. What points do you feel I haven't legitimately raised ?

Well:

1. Yoda - like it or not - was Sidious' equal. More or less. Most of people here will agree. Excluding you. Sidious won only because they haven't fought on neutral ground.

2. There is no way, that Maul was faster then Dooku. He could be stronger, he had superior stamina. But Dooku is confirmed as Kenobi's superior in term's of speed (Rise and Fall of DV and their last encounter in TCW - Dooku nearly stomped Kenobi - Maul's equal - physically).

3. Mace's superiority over Palpatine is the same kind of fact, that TPM Kenobi's superiority to Maul. We can also assume, that Maul wasn't fast enoguh to cut Obi (like Obi did to Anakin on Mustafar). Most of people here understood Sidious' and Yoda's superiority over Mace (excluding some Vaapad/Juyo fanbous, like you, Thanosi or Juyomaster) just as they understood TPM Maul's superioryty over TPM Kenobi. But in your own logic, TPM Kenobi > TPM Maul is a fact.

There are far more things, but you have to excuse me, I'm a bit drunk and I'm not in a shape to read whole discussion.

I - or none else - will change your interpretation of "facts". The same "facts" are BS for most of us all. We all can have disagreements about guys from different eras, but none will have as much disagreements between guys from the same era. Except people like you, Thanos or Juyomaster. People that assume that Mace is best, Vader and Dooku are pathetic, Yoda is clearly inferior to Sidious, Maul above Dooku/Vader, perhaps Kenobi above them too (at least as duelist). Ah, and that Anakin is inferior to all of them.

Originally posted by McP
Well:

1. Yoda - like it or not - was Sidious' equal. More or less. Most of people here will agree. Excluding you. Sidious won only because they haven't fought on neutral ground.

2. There is no way, that Maul was faster then Dooku. He could be stronger, he had superior stamina. But Dooku is confirmed as Kenobi's superior in term's of speed (Rise and Fall of DV and their last encounter in TCW - Dooku nearly stomped Kenobi - Maul's equal - physically).

3. Mace's superiority over Palpatine is the same kind of fact, that TPM Kenobi's superiority to Maul. We can also assume, that Maul wasn't fast enoguh to cut Obi (like Obi did to Anakin on Mustafar). Most of people here understood Sidious' and Yoda's superiority over Mace (excluding some Vaapad/Juyo fanbous, like you, Thanosi or Juyomaster) just as they understood TPM Maul's superioryty over TPM Kenobi. But in your own logic, TPM Kenobi > TPM Maul is a fact.

There are far more things, but you have to excuse me, I'm a bit drunk and I'm not in a shape to read whole discussion.

I - or none else - will change your interpretation of "facts". The same "facts" are BS for most of us all. We all can have disagreements about guys from different eras, but none will have as much disagreements between guys from the same era. Except people like you, Thanos or Juyomaster. People that assume that Mace is best, Vader and Dooku are pathetic, Yoda is clearly inferior to Sidious, Maul above Dooku/Vader, perhaps Kenobi above them too (at least as duelist). Ah, and that Anakin is inferior to all of them. 1). Being equal in force powers doesn't mean you're equal in combat. We see them start off on neutral ground. Sidious ko'd him and took time to cackle like a fool.

2). We see on screen that isn't the case. He doesn't move faster he just has higher skill and greater force powers. That's why he beat Kenobi. Movement wise he's slower.

3). Maul stood by shocked after he defeated him skill wise. Mace won. Yoda didn't. Those are the facts. Yoda was also disarmed by fl while mace wasn't.


You are saying you go by the facts but in fact it's some twisted delusional group mentality here avoiding the facts and changing the narrative with coulda, woulda, shouldas.

Dooku is far faster then Kenobi, which might be seen in their last encounter in TCW - a canon material. Anyway, as I said - a debate between us would be pointless, so that's all. You don't have to answer me.

Originally posted by McP
Dooku is far faster then Kenobi, which might be seen in their last encounter in TCW - a canon material. Anyway, as I said - a debate between us would be pointless, so that's all. You don't have to answer me. That is canon but he didn't look faster. It also wasn't their last encounter it was rots before Dooku died. Don't tell me how to live.

Man, the way how do you living is nothing that I would care for. I don't care at all. I just said to you, that that's pintless for you to answer me, becasue I'm not even interested in reading your answers. That's my last response for you, do what you want.

Dooku outmanuvered them in 2v1 fight. He overhelmed them in saberlock, which thrown them off-balance and let him to kick/break their Force-guards. He had easier time againt them both at once, then against only Anakin, who was boosted by his anger. Kenobi wasn't much of a threat for Count Dooku.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Writer decides what happens the actor doesn't, kid.

3). Speculation. We do know what did happen and the facts won't change.

4). Common sense isn't common in you. That's the problem, kid.

5). Yoda did better but he lost as well. Saying what Dooku did is irrelevant.


6). No, that's just his opinion just as the writer of dathomir has his own opinion. Not a fact, kid.

7). In the episode. Watch it again, noob. Maul is better.

8). His movements compared to Dooku's.

9). Based on ? Kenobi kept up just fine with Anakin unlike with Maul.

10). Feigning after stating he'd kill Windu. He needed to beg to get anakin to feel sympathy and manipulate him. Maul crushes the yes man.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Writer decides what happens the actor doesn't, kid.

3). Speculation. We do know what did happen and the facts won't change.

4). Common sense isn't common in you. That's the problem, kid.

5). Yoda did better but he lost as well. Saying what Dooku did is irrelevant.


6). No, that's just his opinion just as the writer of dathomir has his own opinion. Not a fact, kid.

7). In the episode. Watch it again, noob. Maul is better.

8). His movements compared to Dooku's.

9). Based on ? Kenobi kept up just fine with Anakin unlike with Maul.

10). Feigning after stating he'd kill Windu. He needed to beg to get anakin to feel sympathy and manipulate him. Maul crushes the yes man.

Actually the actor does have some say in their characters skill set in some sort of way. Enough to where Lee was able to go on a commentary and say Dooku was the greatest Duelsit in the galaxy. This writer had a quota to fill. He hasn't given any evidence any way for maul beating Dooku.

3) So the facts that once Dooku changed it to a force duel when he's getting overwhelmed. I agree. Concession accepted.

4) Apparently so since I can actually use it to get to logical conclusions while you can't. Concession accepted here aswell.

5) So you destroy your own point sinc here in this point I had no mention of Dooku while you did. So with that Sidious choking Dooku is irrelevant. Concession accepted.

6) Nah. When the stunt guy says it, it's pretty much the established fact. If you go to any poster here, there going to say he's a 9 and Obi is an 8. That's just the fact. The writer explicitly stated it was his opinion. See the difference?

7) After being injured and thrown around and after guess what, kicking him around and knocking him about. He was then off balanced so he was fighting pretty equally.

8) That's not proof. That's your own interpretation which isn't proof. I can show you showings where Dooku moves faster, but that's my own interpretation which isn't fact. You need actual proof. Your interpretation isn't fact so not proof.

9) Kenobi had a number of factors to help him in that battle. Also where wasn't Kenobi keeping up with Maul. You need to see the episode where Kenobi is spinning circles around the brothers, kicking maul and savage, and cuts off savages arm.

10) Lucas says he was faking so it doesn't matter what you think. It was all apart of his plan. Still waiting on the proof for that.

This thread honestly gave me Typhoid.

Originally posted by McP
Man, the way how do you living is nothing that I would care for. I don't care at all. I just said to you, that that's pintless for you to answer me, becasue I'm not even interested in reading your answers. That's my last response for you, do what you want.

Dooku outmanuvered them in 2v1 fight. He overhelmed them in saberlock, which thrown them off-balance and let him to kick/break their Force-guards. He had easier time againt them both at once, then against only Anakin, who was boosted by his anger. Kenobi wasn't much of a threat for Count Dooku. He was more skilled and used better timing to executive the maneuver. That's all. Anakin then waxed him. Kenobi uses a defensive style whereas maul uses an offensive one similar to Anakin's in rots.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually the actor does have some say in their characters skill set in some sort of way. Enough to where Lee was able to go on a commentary and say Dooku was the greatest Duelsit in the galaxy. This writer had a quota to fill. He hasn't given any evidence any way for maul beating Dooku.

3) So the facts that once Dooku changed it to a force duel when he's getting overwhelmed. I agree. Concession accepted.

4) Apparently so since I can actually use it to get to logical conclusions while you can't. Concession accepted here aswell.

5) So you destroy your own point sinc here in this point I had no mention of Dooku while you did. So with that Sidious choking Dooku is irrelevant. Concession accepted.

6) Nah. When the stunt guy says it, it's pretty much the established fact. If you go to any poster here, there going to say he's a 9 and Obi is an 8. That's just the fact. The writer explicitly stated it was his opinion. See the difference?

7) After being injured and thrown around and after guess what, kicking him around and knocking him about. He was then off balanced so he was fighting pretty equally.

8) That's not proof. That's your own interpretation which isn't proof. I can show you showings where Dooku moves faster, but that's my own interpretation which isn't fact. You need actual proof. Your interpretation isn't fact so not proof.

9) Kenobi had a number of factors to help him in that battle. Also where wasn't Kenobi keeping up with Maul. You need to see the episode where Kenobi is spinning circles around the brothers, kicking maul and savage, and cuts off savages arm.

10) Lucas says he was faking so it doesn't matter what you think. It was all apart of his plan. Still waiting on the proof for that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Writer decides what happens the actor doesn't, kid.

3). Speculation. We do know what did happen and the facts won't change.

4). Common sense isn't common in you. That's the problem, kid.

5). Yoda did better but he lost as well. Saying what Dooku did is irrelevant.


6). No, that's just his opinion just as the writer of dathomir has his own opinion. Not a fact, kid.

7). In the episode. Watch it again, noob. Maul is better.

8). His movements compared to Dooku's.

9). Based on ? Kenobi kept up just fine with Anakin unlike with Maul.

10). Feigning after stating he'd kill Windu. He needed to beg to get anakin to feel sympathy and manipulate him. Maul crushes the yes man. You keep repeating yourself so here. You can't refute anything.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually the actor does have some say in their characters skill set in some sort of way. Enough to where Lee was able to go on a commentary and say Dooku was the greatest Duelsit in the galaxy. This writer had a quota to fill. He hasn't given any evidence any way for maul beating Dooku.

3) So the facts that once Dooku changed it to a force duel when he's getting overwhelmed. I agree. Concession accepted.

4) Apparently so since I can actually use it to get to logical conclusions while you can't. Concession accepted here aswell.

5) So you destroy your own point sinc here in this point I had no mention of Dooku while you did. So with that Sidious choking Dooku is irrelevant. Concession accepted.

6) Nah. When the stunt guy says it, it's pretty much the established fact. If you go to any poster here, there going to say he's a 9 and Obi is an 8. That's just the fact. The writer explicitly stated it was his opinion. See the difference?

7) After being injured and thrown around and after guess what, kicking him around and knocking him about. He was then off balanced so he was fighting pretty equally.

8) That's not proof. That's your own interpretation which isn't proof. I can show you showings where Dooku moves faster, but that's my own interpretation which isn't fact. You need actual proof. Your interpretation isn't fact so not proof.

9) Kenobi had a number of factors to help him in that battle. Also where wasn't Kenobi keeping up with Maul. You need to see the episode where Kenobi is spinning circles around the brothers, kicking maul and savage, and cuts off savages arm.

10) Lucas says he was faking so it doesn't matter what you think. It was all apart of his plan. Still waiting on the proof for that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You keep repeating yourself so here. You can't refute anything.

It is you who can't refute anything.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I already addressed this. You can't refute it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It is you who can't refute anything. Irony.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already addressed this. You can't refute it.

You addressed it with claims and rants backed with no proof.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You addressed it with claims and rants backed with no proof. False, you failed to address my points.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually the actor does have some say in their characters skill set in some sort of way. Enough to where Lee was able to go on a commentary and say Dooku was the greatest Duelsit in the galaxy. This writer had a quota to fill. He hasn't given any evidence any way for maul beating Dooku.

3) So the facts that once Dooku changed it to a force duel when he's getting overwhelmed. I agree. Concession accepted.

4) Apparently so since I can actually use it to get to logical conclusions while you can't. Concession accepted here aswell.

5) So you destroy your own point sinc here in this point I had no mention of Dooku while you did. So with that Sidious choking Dooku is irrelevant. Concession accepted.

6) Nah. When the stunt guy says it, it's pretty much the established fact. If you go to any poster here, there going to say he's a 9 and Obi is an 8. That's just the fact. The writer explicitly stated it was his opinion. See the difference?

7) After being injured and thrown around and after guess what, kicking him around and knocking him about. He was then off balanced so he was fighting pretty equally.

8) That's not proof. That's your own interpretation which isn't proof. I can show you showings where Dooku moves faster, but that's my own interpretation which isn't fact. You need actual proof. Your interpretation isn't fact so not proof.

9) Kenobi had a number of factors to help him in that battle. Also where wasn't Kenobi keeping up with Maul. You need to see the episode where Kenobi is spinning circles around the brothers, kicking maul and savage, and cuts off savages arm.

10) Lucas says he was faking so it doesn't matter what you think. It was all apart of his plan. Still waiting on the proof for that.

I have responded. It's your turn.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I have responded. It's your turn. You just reworded your post but didn't address mine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just reworded your post but didn't address mine.

It's the same post just reposted. Same exact points, just reposted.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's the same post just reposted. Same exact points, just reposted. You didn't address mine but just repeated your own previous points. You are incapable of rebutting my points.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't address mine but just repeated your own previous points. You are incapable of rebutting my points.

Have you met redpill yet?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't address mine but just repeated your own previous points. You are incapable of rebutting my points.

I went last. It's your turn. We don't go twice in a row. I responded then you said I didn't respond. Now it's your turn to respond. I already have, you're just trolling now so the next response from you needs to be a rebuttal to the points I sent, or it's an automatic concession.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I went last. It's your turn. We don't go twice in a row. I responded then you said I didn't respond. Now it's your turn to respond. I already have, you're just trolling now so the next response from you needs to be a rebuttal to the points I sent, or it's an automatic concession. You failed to address my points and until you do so its a concession. Maul wins as he's faster, more powerful with a lightsaber, and younger. Dooku even called just his weaker brother Savage as a threat to Dooku let alone his more powerful brother Maul.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Have you met redpill yet? Does not ring a bell.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You failed to address my points and until you do so its a concession. Maul wins as he's faster, more powerful with a lightsaber, and younger. Dooku even called just his weaker brother Savage as a threat to Dooku let alone his more powerful brother Maul.

So you concede since you didn't do as I told you to.

You have failed to show he's faster while I've proved it. There are quotes that Dooku moved faster than Kenobi who is on Maul level, and Maul wasn't able to use his speed to take Obi wan down. Dooku is on a greater level than Kenobi. Where are those feats saying Maul is better with a saber? Saying someone is stronger and faster isn't proving or giving evidence. That's just a claim. Where is the proof that is actually fact and not your own interpretation? Younger doesn't mean anything. Dooku has beaten opponents younger than he.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you concede since you didn't do as I told you to.

You have failed to show he's faster while I've proved it. There are quotes that Dooku moved faster than Kenobi who is on Maul level, and Maul wasn't able to use his speed to take Obi wan down. Dooku is on a greater level than Kenobi. Where are those feats saying Maul is better with a saber? Saying someone is stronger and faster isn't proving or giving evidence. That's just a claim. Where is the proof that is actually fact and not your own interpretation? Younger doesn't mean anything. Dooku has beaten opponents younger than he. You failed to properly rebut my points so I reposted them. You concede.


False. Vos also proved how slow Dooku is canonically speaking. Dooku also says Kenobi is more impressive than Anakin in the clone wars series but ends up getting killed by Anakin. Maul has always bested Kenobi unlike Anakin. I cited evidence to support my claims. Sidious values youth as does any intelligent being who can actually think.

Maul isn't just younger but he's also incredibly skilled and demonstrates speed in phantom menace.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You failed to properly rebut my points so I reposted them. You concede.


False. Vos also proved how slow Dooku is canonically speaking. Dooku also says Kenobi is more impressive than Anakin in the clone wars series but ends up getting killed by Anakin. Maul has always bested Kenobi unlike Anakin. I cited evidence to support my claims. Sidious values youth as does any intelligent being who can actually think.

Maul isn't just younger but he's also incredibly skilled and demonstrates speed in phantom menace.

I did rebut them. Go back and look. You're probably confused since I quoted yours then had to quote it again sees I pressed a wrong button.

Everything I said is also canocially proven. Jaunt because you bring in a fact do sent negate mine. Also have you even read Dark Disciple? If you have then you would know that it only proves how fast Vos was, not how slow Dooku was. You do understand he was getting beat by Anakin so of course he would say that to cover himself. He is a proud man. Umm no. Kenobi cut maul in half once. Kenobi 1, Maul 0. Then they fought again while Kenobi was at a disadvantage however still a win. 1 and 1. Then they fought again and really more of a tie since when it was 1 on 1 Kenobi held his own. So really pretty much even. Sidious valued the potential, not the actual power since there wasn't just a lot. If he valued actual power he would have kept Dooku over Anakin or tired to convert another Jedi. He was looking for potential which Anakin had a lot of.

Again Dooku has taken on youth. Dooku vs Obi wan. Dooku vs Anakin. Dooku vs Ventress. Dooku vs savage. Dooku vs Vos. Dooku vs Ventress and the nightsisters while drugged. Those are just canon. Dooku vs Bulq and Tholme. Dooku vs the night brothers. Dooku vs Windu. All of these opponents he has fought and have beaten.some with ease. And guess what they were younger than him. You make it seem like Dooku has no skill.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I did rebut them. Go back and look. You're probably confused since I quoted yours then had to quote it again sees I pressed a wrong button.

Everything I said is also canocially proven. Jaunt because you bring in a fact do sent negate mine. Also have you even read Dark Disciple? If you have then you would know that it only proves how fast Vos was, not how slow Dooku was. You do understand he was getting beat by Anakin so of course he would say that to cover himself. He is a proud man. Umm no. Kenobi cut maul in half once. Kenobi 1, Maul 0. Then they fought again while Kenobi was at a disadvantage however still a win. 1 and 1. Then they fought again and really more of a tie since when it was 1 on 1 Kenobi held his own. So really pretty much even. Sidious valued the potential, not the actual power since there wasn't just a lot. If he valued actual power he would have kept Dooku over Anakin or tired to convert another Jedi. He was looking for potential which Anakin had a lot of.

Again Dooku has taken on youth. Dooku vs Obi wan. Dooku vs Anakin. Dooku vs Ventress. Dooku vs savage. Dooku vs Vos. Dooku vs Ventress and the nightsisters while drugged. Those are just canon. Dooku vs Bulq and Tholme. Dooku vs the night brothers. Dooku vs Windu. All of these opponents he has fought and have beaten.some with ease. And guess what they were younger than him. You make it seem like Dooku has no skill. No, your response didn't address my points.


I have seen Vos in action and have always maintained Dooku is slower and more or less relies on his saber skillset. Kenobi was disarmed and at his mercy. Maul had him and later showed himself to be too much for Kenobi as well. Dooku saluted Kenobi as an opponent whereas Maul just wants to torture him.

Anakin killed him. Kenobi doesn't match up well. He has skill just not speed and youth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, your response didn't address my points.


I have seen Vos in action and have always maintained Dooku is slower and more or less relies on his saber skillset. Kenobi was disarmed and at his mercy. Maul had him and later showed himself to be too much for Kenobi as well. Dooku saluted Kenobi as an opponent whereas Maul just wants to torture him.

Anakin killed him. Kenobi doesn't match up well. He has skill just not speed and youth.

Yea it did. It most likely just made it to where even you, the troll can't come up with a lame excuse.

In your opinion. We all know how well to take your opinion. Then guess what jumped up and bisected him. Want fun. He didn't show that. He showed to be even since one on one he wasn't overpowering anything. Even with savage Kenobi was twirling around and kicking them and sliced off an arm.

After how many tries. Dooku beat him other times and Anakin is younger. Irrelevant to the point. Obi still younger which was your point that youth was an advantage that seems to be a game changer. Has speed as seen in TCW and the films and Expanded universe. Youth I agree with you. He's 83 and was still kicking butt. Salute the elderly.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea it did. It most likely just made it to where even you, the troll can't come up with a lame excuse.

In your opinion. We all know how well to take your opinion. Then guess what jumped up and bisected him. Want fun. He didn't show that. He showed to be even since one on one he wasn't overpowering anything. Even with savage Kenobi was twirling around and kicking them and sliced off an arm.

After how many tries. Dooku beat him other times and Anakin is younger. Irrelevant to the point. Obi still younger which was your point that youth was an advantage that seems to be a game changer. Has speed as seen in TCW and the films and Expanded universe. Youth I agree with you. He's 83 and was still kicking butt. Salute the elderly. You conceded.

He disarmed him and had him at his mercy. That's a fact. Kenobi admitted despite rage he couldn't best him.

Anakin wasn't as skilled then and has always been rather reckless. Kenobi is a bad matchup that doesn't have youth and the aggressive style thing going for him like Maul. Not against Vos or Anakin. He's dead. Maul wins.

Evan why do you still respond to this guy? Yes, I do reply to redpill, but he at least is sometimes open to ideas. Ignore him and stop replying to his posts and threads and he will go away.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Evan why do you still respond to this guy? Yes, I do reply to redpill, but he at least is sometimes open to ideas. Ignore him and stop replying to his posts and threads and he will go away. What points am I ignoring in particular ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You conceded.

He disarmed him and had him at his mercy. That's a fact. Kenobi admitted despite rage he couldn't best him.

Anakin wasn't as skilled then and has always been rather reckless. Kenobi is a bad matchup that doesn't have youth and the aggressive style thing going for him like Maul. Not against Vos or Anakin. He's dead. Maul wins.

I know you did. You ignored my points so you concede.

Who was bisected though? Rage doesn't always help. We can see it obviously hindered him. I believe it to be more of a style thing. We see Kenobi use this to boost him twice. Once it works, the second it doesn't. I give it to the style change and by extension personality. TPM is an Ataru specialist, an aggressive style. Afterward Soresu, purely defensive. Personalities switch so not necessarily work. Doesn't matter how you feel about that, the fact is he beat Kenobi, so whether bad match up or not it's the fact. He beat Vos. He beat Anakin. All facts and canon. Kenobi is younger than Maul I believe or they are around the same age. Where are the feats? Dooku losing to Anakin and Vos aren't feats that help Maul, since it just shows Anakin and Vos are above Maul.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I know you did. You ignored my points so you concede.

Who was bisected though? Rage doesn't always help. We can see it obviously hindered him. I believe it to be more of a style thing. We see Kenobi use this to boost him twice. Once it works, the second it doesn't. I give it to the style change and by extension personality. TPM is an Ataru specialist, an aggressive style. Afterward Soresu, purely defensive. Personalities switch so not necessarily work. Doesn't matter how you feel about that, the fact is he beat Kenobi, so whether bad match up or not it's the fact. He beat Vos. He beat Anakin. All facts and canon. Kenobi is younger than Maul I believe or they are around the same age. Where are the feats? Dooku losing to Anakin and Vos aren't feats that help Maul, since it just shows Anakin and Vos are above Maul. Galse.


I never said he wasn't hurt but my point is he still had Kenobi at his mercy. Vader never had Kenobi at his mercy. Point is for Maul.

Maul is that good and you always go on abut rage amps but Kenobi lost both times he had one. He wasn't angry anymore and caught an arrogant maul off guard.

Yes, they are since Dooku wasn't fast enough. His slow movement is directly stated as a huge problem. Perfect.

Prove it. Kenobi beat Vader, dummy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galse.


I never said he wasn't hurt but my point is he still had Kenobi at his mercy. Vader never had Kenobi at his mercy. Point is for Maul.

Maul is that good and you always go on abut rage amps but Kenobi lost both times he had one. He wasn't angry anymore and caught an arrogant maul off guard.

Yes, they are since Dooku wasn't fast enough. His slow movement is directly stated as a huge problem. Perfect.

Prove it. Kenobi beat Vader, dummy.

Galse?

Oh well, he should have seized his opportunity, because he didn't maul got bisected. Where does Vader come into play? Stay on task sir.

He bisected maul so that's a win for Kenobi. I'll admit he lost the second time though. He wasn't off guard. Off guard isn't you see them attempting to pull a move, then they jump over you and take a second and slash. That's just you being stupid.

Prove it. Prove that his "slowness" was a problem. He has shown great speed.

Kenobi beating Vader wasn't a show of skill, just tactical thinking. By that I mean the end result. It took great skill to get to that point however. However the facts are that Anakin is greater than Kenobi as a duelist. Those are the facts. Another fact is that Dooku can handle opponents who are stronger than him, and can handle youth as he has done on several occasions. Dooku isnt one of the best duelist of the mythos for nothing.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Galse?

Oh well, he should have seized his opportunity, because he didn't maul got bisected. Where does Vader come into play? Stay on task sir.

He bisected maul so that's a win for Kenobi. I'll admit he lost the second time though. He wasn't off guard. Off guard isn't you see them attempting to pull a move, then they jump over you and take a second and slash. That's just you being stupid.

Prove it. Prove that his "slowness" was a problem. He has shown great speed.

Kenobi beating Vader wasn't a show of skill, just tactical thinking. By that I mean the end result. It took great skill to get to that point however. However the facts are that Anakin is greater than Kenobi as a duelist. Those are the facts. Another fact is that Dooku can handle opponents who are stronger than him, and can handle youth as he has done on several occasions. Dooku isnt one of the best duelist of the mythos for nothing. That was a typo for you since your posts are littered with hatting mistakes.

My point stands that he had the advantage which Anakin never had against Kenobi.

He was caught off guard because he wasn't ready. It was due to his own arrogance but it's better than jumping when Kenobi is telling you not to. That's utter stupidity

Read the Vos page. Canon.

It was skill that had then at a stalemate and had Kenobi in the better position. Anakin lost making it all the more terrible. He also got shown up by Ventress with Kenobi so he's pathetic.


Dooku was shitting bricks over Opress. The guy was scared of him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That was a typo for you since your posts are littered with hatting mistakes.

My point stands that he had the advantage which Anakin never had against Kenobi.

He was caught off guard because he wasn't ready. It was due to his own arrogance but it's better than jumping when Kenobi is telling you not to. That's utter stupidity

Read the Vos page. Canon.

It was skill that had then at a stalemate and had Kenobi in the better position. Anakin lost making it all the more terrible. He also got shown up by Ventress with Kenobi so he's pathetic.


Dooku was shitting bricks over Opress. The guy was scared of him.

Oh please don't make mistakes on my account.

Shame he didn't seize it when he had the chance?

I don't really don't care about Anakin. Both show some level of,stupidity but Anakin's was worse.

I've read Dark Disciple. I'm under the impression you haven't though. You haven't shown any evidence that Dooku was slow just because he lost. You need proof. Show your proof.

Tactical thinking. We've already discussed this.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh please don't make mistakes on my account.

Shame he didn't seize it when he had the chance?

I don't really don't care about Anakin. Both show some level of,stupidity but Anakin's was worse.

I've read Dark Disciple. I'm under the impression you haven't though. You haven't shown any evidence that Dooku was slow just because he lost. You need proof. Show your proof.

Tactical thinking. We've already discussed this. It was me mocking you.


He survived nonetheless and later spared Kenobi.

Concession accepted. I've seen the scan. Dooku was too slow for no .

Anakin lacked the skill to pull off the feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was me mocking you.


He survived nonetheless and later spared Kenobi.

Concession accepted. I've seen the scan. Dooku was too slow for no .

Anakin lacked the skill to pull off the feat.

Not doing a very good job as always.

Kenobi showed to be his equal.

Where's is this scan? Show your proof Dooku is slow. There are plenty of quotes saying the exact opposite.

No just the tactical positioning. Only very few other people could have pulled that off and due to special circumstances.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not doing a very good job as always.

Kenobi showed to be his equal.

Where's is this scan? Show your proof Dooku is slow. There are plenty of quotes saying the exact opposite.

No just the tactical positioning. Only very few other people could have pulled that off and due to special circumstances. It is hard to get the point across when you can't even tell when you're being mocked.

No, he was always lesser than Maul.

Not against Vos.

So you admit he lacked the skill but others didn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is hard to get the point across when you can't even tell when you're being mocked.

No, he was always lesser than Maul.

Not against Vos.

So you admit he lacked the skill but others didn't.

Of course I can tell. That just means you're not doing a good job. Also mocking isn't apart of the debating process. It could also mean that I simply don't care. You do it to everyone from actual people to fictional characters, so why should I honestly care?

If he was then why was Kenobi able to stalemate him.

Just showed Vos was faster. It even says in the novel that Dooku was fast, but Vos,was faster. Read the novel.

I mean people like Yoda due to his small size, or possibly Windu due to Shatterpoint, or Sidious due to his amazing power. Special circumstances.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Of course I can tell. That just means you're not doing a good job. Also mocking isn't apart of the debating process. It could also mean that I simply don't care. You do it to everyone from actual people to fictional characters, so why should I honestly care?

If he was then why was Kenobi able to stalemate him.

Just showed Vos was faster. It even says in the novel that Dooku was fast, but Vos,was faster. Read the novel.

I mean people like Yoda due to his small size, or possibly Windu due to Shatterpoint, or Sidious due to his amazing power. Special circumstances. Kenobi never stalemated Maul.

So by comparison Dooku is slow just like when compared to Maul.

You already conceded others have the skill.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi never stalemated Maul.





Nope, he beat him and his brother together.

You want me to Quote Filoni confirming that for you?


You know the Same Filoni who you claim can't be argued with?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi never stalemated Maul.

So by comparison Dooku is slow just like when compared to Maul.

You already conceded others have the skill.

https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74 Up to 1:44 Then he preceded to fight evenly with Maul and savage with one saber

When he got the rage boost in TPM.

Slower, not slow. Someone who is slow can't contend with Yoda.

Others have special circumstances. Learn the difference.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74 Up to 1:44 Then he preceded to fight evenly with Maul and savage with one saber

When he got the rage boost in TPM.

Slower, not slow. Someone who is slow can't contend with Yoda.

Others have special circumstances. Learn the difference. He was bfrd at the end for a loss.

Dooku left. If he was quick enough he wouldn't have fled. Yoda is superior. You undermined your points.


Others have greater skill. That's the point. You don't grasp the meaning of words.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was bfrd at the end for a loss.

Dooku left. If he was quick enough he wouldn't have fled. Yoda is superior. You undermined your points.


Others have greater skill. That's the point. You don't grasp the meaning of words.

So you ignore that he was able to stalemate him and his brother at the same time, and maul by himself. Great.

I never said Dooku was on Yoda's level, I just said he could contend as seen in the movie.

No that's not the point. That was a tactical position that only very few could ever get past, if any.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nope, he beat him and his brother together.

You want me to Quote Filoni confirming that for you?


You know the Same Filoni who you claim can't be argued with?

Do it.

Quan, where are maul's feats? What showings put him above Dooku. If you find any show them here.

He survived all his duels with Kenobi. Dooku didn't XDDDD

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you ignore that he was able to stalemate him and his brother at the same time, and maul by himself. Great.

I never said Dooku was on Yoda's level, I just said he could contend as seen in the movie.

No that's not the point. That was a tactical position that only very few could ever get past, if any. He lost. He was bfrd.


In a very short time with his allies in danger before escaping. Sure.

So there are people who have the skill just not Anakin. Point proven.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Quan, where are maul's feats? What showings put him above Dooku. If you find any show them here. Already did so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He lost. He was bfrd.


In a very short time with his allies in danger before escaping. Sure.

So there are people who have the skill just not Anakin. Point proven.

He stalemated him.

Longer than maul did one on one.

Are you having trouble reading? Special circumstances, such as size for Yoda.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Already did so.

Saying someone is faster, stronger and younger without proof aren't feats. Where are the showings from TCW, or the movies or Son of Dathomir, or anything showing that maul is superior. Where are those feats?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He stalemated him.

Longer than maul did one on one.

Are you having trouble reading? Special circumstances, such as size for Yoda. No, he bfrd which means he won.

Yoda wasn't the only guy you named. Anakin lacked the skill.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Saying someone is faster, stronger and younger without proof aren't feats. Where are the showings from TCW, or the movies or Son of Dathomir, or anything showing that maul is superior. Where are those feats? I already told you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he bfrd which means he won.

Yoda wasn't the only guy you named. Anakin lacked the skill.

I saw several stalemates there, you choose to ignore those due to your own personal bias.

Actaully he was. Yoda due to size maybe the only who could pass that. Just tactical disadvantage, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I saw several stalemates there, you choose to ignore those due to your own personal bias.

Actaully he was. Yoda due to size maybe the only who could pass that. Just tactical disadvantage, nothing more, nothing less. Bfr is how he won. It's like saying Yoda stalemated Skdious despite him losing.

So you don't think Sidious could and take a potshot at Yoda as his size undermines his actual skill according to you.