Gaurdians of the Universe vs The Celestials

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Insane Titan
All out war between the 2 races

Who wins

Stoic
These guys look like they'd just fart and kill a dozen or more of those little blue dudes. stick out tongue

http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/131/222/original/Celestials.jpg

Genii96
This a joke? There are billions of celestials and only One celestial is probably enough..

Cogito
what the phuck is going on here.

Guardians get shitstomped by Odin, Ganthet dies vs. the destroyer, and they most definitely get curbed by the Celestials.

Sinestro killed them all ffs.

zopzop
Vs Classic Celestials the Guardians would die brutally. One Celestial would be enough to wipe them out and the entire GLC too.

Vs Current? They at least have a shot. Current Celestials are a phuckin joke.

Cogito
Originally posted by zopzop
Vs Current? They at least have a shot. Current Celestials are a phuckin joke.

All of them died against Sinestro.

All of them.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Cogito
All of them died against Sinestro.

All of them.

What??? Did Sinestro singlehandedly wipe out the Guardians??? Did he get a upgrade I've missed?

Cogito
Sinestrollax, so he had the Parallax entity. But still, that makes him trans-ish

Prof. T.C McAbe
At one point Parallax (Hal) was Multiversal, so the power is somwhere in between Trans and Multiversal, depending on story and intention. I would say the Guardian are about Low to Mid Skyfather, sans Krona and such, still far below the classic celestials. Arhishem could solo them all. I could see Parallax (Zero Hour) soloing the whole Celestial race though.

celeyhyga17
Don't underestimate the power of fodder Celestials.. They're pretty crappy too. Named ones are pretty ok.

kevdude
Originally posted by Cogito
All of them died against Sinestro.

All of them.

Lets not go overboard here, The Guardians was extremely weakened when that happened, and even Sinestro himself said that opportunity may not ever happen again. messed

Cogito
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
At one point Parallax (Hal) was Multiversal, so the power is somwhere in between Trans and Multiversal, depending on story and intention. I would say the Guardian are about Low to Mid Skyfather, sans Krona and such, still far below the classic celestials. Arhishem could solo them all. I could see Parallax (Zero Hour) soloing the whole Celestial race though.

Hal Parallax in Zero Hour was definitely multiversal. Ion I was definitely uber as well. Every other incarnation since has been trans at best.

The height of the Guardian's powers in recent memory (sans Krona) was probably Ganthet in around Rebirth-era. In that he stomped Kilowog with a hand behind his back, he was said to be omnisicent (though that was obvious hyperbole), and he restored damage caused to a planet and the planets military with a wave of his hand.

To call the rest of those phuckers anything above HH/LT is wishful thinking. They're all talk and no action, and they collectively died against a trans character (so did the Controllers for that matter, their supposed equals/offshoots).

Cogito
Originally posted by kevdude
Lets not go overboard here, The Guardians was extremely weakened when that happened, and even Sinestro himself said that opportunity may not ever happen again. messed

The most powerful of them (Krona), who wrecked the rest, was killed by Hal.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Cogito
The most powerful of them (Krona), who wrecked the rest, was killed by Hal.
Which is a high showing for Hal. Originally posted by Cogito
All of them died against Sinestro.

All of them.
Godkiller armor killed billions of celestials on its own.

A single Guardian overpowered SBP and his suicide atomized him. Not even Monarch explosion could do so.

Ganthet himself stalemated White Lantern Kyle with all the entities.

Guardians don't have space cheese feats like Odin or celestials but they are consistently above heralds by a large gap.

Adam Grimes
The guardian didn't overpower nor atomize SBP though, the kamikaze attack just BFR'd him.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
The guardian didn't overpower nor atomize SBP though, the kamikaze attack just BFR'd him.
The Guardian overpowered SBP. He was helpless to set himself free and was openly asking for help.

And then he was removed from the universe Atom by Atom. He somehow absorbed the power and was more powerful than ever.

erm

Cogito
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which is a high showing for Hal. His highest. But we're talking about Celestials here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A single Guardian overpowered SBP and his suicide atomized him. Not even Monarch explosion could do so. BFR'd and supercharged him. With today's pathetic Celestials, a Guardian suicide might kill one, but they're so outnumbered it won't help any.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ganthet himself stalemated White Lantern Kyle with all the entities. WL Kyle with all the entities didn't do anything impressive. Also, all of the new replacement Guardians later admitted they were totally bluffing when they said they could take on WL Kyle with just most of the entities.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Guardians don't have space cheese feats like Odin or celestials but they are consistently above heralds by a large gap. Very true. You'd have a hard time finding characters with more appearances and fewer feats. Obviously they work almost exclusively through others (Lanterns) and their best feats (such as capturing the entities and harnessing the spectrums) was performed billions of years ago so we've never seen it/can't use it.

However, the feats that we have seen aren't that impressive. Are they above herald level? Absolutely. Above trans? No, imo. High end Ganthet might be low Skyfather, but thats about it.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Cogito
His highest. But we're talking about Celestials here.


Yes, the same celestials who die by a simple enchantment.

Not really. He overpowered SBP pretty convincingly.

He filled and rejuvenated source wall. That's pretty much an abstract level feat.

Ganthet even stalemating him is a better feat than anything Odin or celestials have performed.

Completely disagree. Geoff Johns doesn't writes space cheese for his high level characters.

It doesn't means they aren't that powerful. His Guardians are skyfather level on average.

Like I said a single Guardian overpowered SBP more convincingly than say Odin did against Thanos.

You are getting too hung up on "Galaxy busting" here.

Adam Grimes
Originally posted by abhilegend
The Guardian overpowered SBP. He was helpless to set himself free and was openly asking for help.

And then he was removed from the universe Atom by Atom. He somehow absorbed the power and was more powerful than ever.

erm Well, I wouldn't call a powerful grip 'overpowering' but w/e.

Cogito
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. He overpowered SBP pretty convincingly.

http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t/24309938_GreenLantern25-043.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t/24309940_GreenLantern25-044.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t/24309941_GreenLantern25-045.jpg

This is what you consider "overpowered convincingly"? This is 100% of the fight. Literally all the Guardian did was suicide when it appeared SBP was going to kill him anyways. And it didn't hurt SBP, it BFRd him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He filled and rejuvenated source wall. That's pretty much an abstract level feat.
1. The entities died to do that
2. It's not an abstract level feat. Just because it's difficult to quantify doesn't mean its abstract level. The entities post Ion I haven't done anything abstract level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ganthet even stalemating him is a better feat than anything Odin or celestials have performed.
Based on what? Kyle is one of my favorite characters, but becoming a white lantern didn't make him any more powerful, and he sure as shit didn't do anything skyfather level with the entities.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Completely disagree. Geoff Johns doesn't writes space cheese for his high level characters.

It doesn't means they aren't that powerful. His Guardians are skyfather level on average. Based on what? What have Johns' Guardians done to even rate as mid-high trans? Thanos would shitstomp them ffs

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are getting too hung up on "Galaxy busting" here.

You're too hung up on absolutely nothing, because that's what the Guardians' feats amount to.

Stoic
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
At one point Parallax (Hal) was Multiversal, so the power is somwhere in between Trans and Multiversal, depending on story and intention. I would say the Guardian are about Low to Mid Skyfather, sans Krona and such, still far below the classic celestials. Arhishem could solo them all. I could see Parallax (Zero Hour) soloing the whole Celestial race though.


Parallax got nerfed.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by zopzop
Vs Classic Celestials the Guardians would die brutally. One Celestial would be enough to wipe them out and the entire GLC too.

Vs Current? They at least have a shot. Current Celestials are a phuckin joke.

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Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Stoic
Parallax got nerfed.

The DCnU Parallax and the post Zero Hour Parallax though there is still Zero Hour Hal Parallax out there and how the entities are connected has to be seen.

Anyway. As for this thread, Classic Celestials win without much trouble, the weaksauce Celestials might lose some of their numbers but win also.

Genii96
What do you mean by 'weaksauce' celestials exactly? Which ones have been shown to be weak?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Genii96
What do you mean by 'weaksauce' celestials exactly? Which ones have been shown to be weak?

The ones that were oneshot by Reeds guns or Susan.

Cogito
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The DCnU Parallax and the post Zero Hour Parallax though there is still Zero Hour Hal Parallax out there and how the entities are connected has to be seen.

wat? no expression

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Cogito
wat? no expression

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Genii96
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The ones that were oneshot by Reeds guns or Susan.
Reed's guns were especially effective against them because they bleed comsic energy,susan's abilities come from hyperspace which is their kryptonite and it was exitar she took down,and he is one of the strongest,and that's only because he was just standing there.

operator616
individually the Guardians haven't been impressive, but collectively they have some pretty good feats. Some of the ones that haven't been mentioned:

-contained all the magic in DC's creation which was then specifically said to spread into the omniverse - a pre-crisis feat but still applicable in post-FP continuity.

-when Nekron attacked DCU for the first time, they were able to keep entire solar systems, even galaxies from collapsing.

-they defeated TDHD an entity which was able to warp an entire galaxy instantly.

-let's also not forget they were the ones who created the CPB which was shown to be able to create a black hole big enough to swallow the entire universe

- stopped several quantum singularities

- they damaged SCW AM who was tapping into the power of the positive-matter multiverse.

-Volthoom's power directly came from the guardians, and he was about to restart the big bang.

In terms of indiivudal showings, Ganthet actually stomped Kilowog, guy and john who were all amped on Parallax's power; one of them was able to solo the entire JLA. Ganthet also withstood entropy. And at one point it was mentioned that his consciousness spans the entire cosmos.

John once ascended into Guardian-hood and was able to singlehandedly defeat JLI, Hal and Kilowog easily.

A single controller was beating half a dozen GLs + some of the legionnaires and darkstars.

There are many instances where a Guardian is handling top lanterns like Kyle or Hal with a wave of a hand but i don't think that deserves even mentioning despite some of the comments here. Anyway the Guardians collectively could stand up to a celestial, but they get wiped out in a second by several Celestials.

Regarding Parallax:

Zero Hour Parallax = Parallax + full CPB + Time Trapper's power + energies from the left overs of COIE.

Final Night Parallax = left overs of CPB (retconned later on to having full power of CPB)

Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies.

Ion 2 = Ion 1 + Jade's starheart power (though overall he was weaker than Ion 1 - kinda contradictory).

Kyle Rejuvenating the source is an abstract level feat since it was told over and over again that all of creation is powered by the emotional spectrum, which Kyle restored. Hell it was outright shown on panel how the previous creation was destroyed when the reservoir was emptied. Relic was its survivor.

Galan007
Originally posted by Cogito
BFR'd and supercharged him. Tbf, it seemed like the Guardians knew that might be a possibility:
http://i.imgur.com/JU5zZRv.png
"IF he survived... He was warped into the multiverse."


But yeah, I would agree that the Guardian was physically overpowering Prime and holding him against his will, prior to detonating:
http://i.imgur.com/OPPaJPP.png


Whole scene:
http://i.imgur.com/4SiEvtb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qAXMoIY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m8K2hSy.jpg
*We also see that the Guardians' blasts were capable of hurting a rampaging Prime--which is a feat in itself.



Originally posted by operator616
a pre-crisis feat but still applicable in post-FP continuity. While this is technically true, it really cannot be denied that Guardians as a whole have been portrayed as vastly less powerful since Johns took the reigns. Unfortunately.

Originally posted by operator616
-Volthoom's power directly came from the guardians, and he was about to restart the big bang. Hal 'God-Will' Jordan was required for that. thumb up

abhilegend
Originally posted by Cogito
http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t/24309938_GreenLantern25-043.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t/24309940_GreenLantern25-044.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t/24309941_GreenLantern25-045.jpg

This is what you consider "overpowered convincingly"? This is 100% of the fight. Literally all the Guardian did was suicide when it appeared SBP was going to kill him anyways. And it didn't hurt SBP, it BFRd him.


Well if you don't think SBP asking for help like a baby is getting overpowered, I don't know what is.

The whole of reality was going to die because of depletion of source wall. He filled the reservoir.

Why isn't it quantifiable?

Like filling the source wall?

Now that's just silly.

Yeah, right.

Zack M
Originally posted by operator616
individually the Guardians haven't been impressive, but collectively they have some pretty good feats. Some of the ones that haven't been mentioned:

-contained all the magic in DC's creation which was then specifically said to spread into the omniverse - a pre-crisis feat but still applicable in post-FP continuity.

-when Nekron attacked DCU for the first time, they were able to keep entire solar systems, even galaxies from collapsing.

-they defeated TDHD an entity which was able to warp an entire galaxy instantly.

-let's also not forget they were the ones who created the CPB which was shown to be able to create a black hole big enough to swallow the entire universe

- stopped several quantum singularities

- they damaged SCW AM who was tapping into the power of the positive-matter multiverse.

-Volthoom's power directly came from the guardians, and he was about to restart the big bang.

In terms of indiivudal showings, Ganthet actually stomped Kilowog, guy and john who were all amped on Parallax's power; one of them was able to solo the entire JLA. Ganthet also withstood entropy. And at one point it was mentioned that his consciousness spans the entire cosmos.

John once ascended into Guardian-hood and was able to singlehandedly defeat JLI, Hal and Kilowog easily.

A single controller was beating half a dozen GLs + some of the legionnaires and darkstars.

There are many instances where a Guardian is handling top lanterns like Kyle or Hal with a wave of a hand but i don't think that deserves even mentioning despite some of the comments here. Anyway the Guardians collectively could stand up to a celestial, but they get wiped out in a second by several Celestials.

Regarding Parallax:

Zero Hour Parallax = Parallax + full CPB + Time Trapper's power + energies from the left overs of COIE.

Final Night Parallax = left overs of CPB (retconned later on to having full power of CPB)

Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies.

Ion 2 = Ion 1 + Jade's starheart power (though overall he was weaker than Ion 1 - kinda contradictory).

Kyle Rejuvenating the source is an abstract level feat since it was told over and over again that all of creation is powered by the emotional spectrum, which Kyle restored. Hell it was outright shown on panel how the previous creation was destroyed when the reservoir was emptied. Relic was its survivor.

Nice list.

Zack M
Isn't there a feat that ganthet kept a planet intact with his mind? Or is that a myth?

abhilegend
Originally posted by operator616
individually the Guardians haven't been impressive, but collectively they have some pretty good feats. Some of the ones that haven't been mentioned:

-contained all the magic in DC's creation which was then specifically said to spread into the omniverse - a pre-crisis feat but still applicable in post-FP continuity.

-when Nekron attacked DCU for the first time, they were able to keep entire solar systems, even galaxies from collapsing.

-they defeated TDHD an entity which was able to warp an entire galaxy instantly.

-let's also not forget they were the ones who created the CPB which was shown to be able to create a black hole big enough to swallow the entire universe

- stopped several quantum singularities

- they damaged SCW AM who was tapping into the power of the positive-matter multiverse.

-Volthoom's power directly came from the guardians, and he was about to restart the big bang.

In terms of indiivudal showings, Ganthet actually stomped Kilowog, guy and john who were all amped on Parallax's power; one of them was able to solo the entire JLA. Ganthet also withstood entropy. And at one point it was mentioned that his consciousness spans the entire cosmos.

John once ascended into Guardian-hood and was able to singlehandedly defeat JLI, Hal and Kilowog easily.

A single controller was beating half a dozen GLs + some of the legionnaires and darkstars.

There are many instances where a Guardian is handling top lanterns like Kyle or Hal with a wave of a hand but i don't think that deserves even mentioning despite some of the comments here. Anyway the Guardians collectively could stand up to a celestial, but they get wiped out in a second by several Celestials.

Regarding Parallax:

Zero Hour Parallax = Parallax + full CPB + Time Trapper's power + energies from the left overs of COIE.

Final Night Parallax = left overs of CPB (retconned later on to having full power of CPB)

Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies.

Ion 2 = Ion 1 + Jade's starheart power (though overall he was weaker than Ion 1 - kinda contradictory).

Kyle Rejuvenating the source is an abstract level feat since it was told over and over again that all of creation is powered by the emotional spectrum, which Kyle restored. Hell it was outright shown on panel how the previous creation was destroyed when the reservoir was emptied. Relic was its survivor.
Krona fighting Guardians with Nekron is referenced several times post crisis.

http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24314405_Green_Lantern-1992-35-07.jpg

Utrigita
Celestials for the win. Imo without much difficulty.

kevdude
Nice list operator! Let's not forget that, Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies + the Guardians life force/power. They returned when Kyle have up all that power.

Galan007
Originally posted by Zack M
Isn't there a feat that ganthet kept a planet intact with his mind? Or is that a myth? There's this:
http://i.imgur.com/z5mhF1x.jpg
"Ganthet could crack the planet in half with a thought."


srug

abhilegend
Also Krona destroying and absorbing entire universe. He is no more powerful than an ordinary Guardian at base levels.

Omega Vision
Celestials.

operator616
Originally posted by Galan007

While this is technically true, it really cannot be denied that Guardians as a whole have been portrayed as vastly less powerful since Johns took the reigns. Unfortunately.


They may not have the high showings they previously showed by they don't have the lows either. In the PC era, there were instances where the likes of Hammond, evil star and Sinestro were portrayed as overpowering the guardians, there was even a creature who, despite unable to mindrape black canary, was able to mindrape the guardians. IIRC Johns actually retconned those showings away by establishing the concept of "guardians don't act even if they are in danger". He's not all that bad.

Originally posted by Galan007


Hal 'God-Will' Jordan was required for that. thumb up

Right. Though i remember he was still packing enough energy to destroy the universe with a chain reaction in the end.

operator616
Originally posted by abhilegend
Krona fighting Guardians with Nekron is referenced several times post crisis.

http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24314405_Green_Lantern-1992-35-07.jpg

Yup, hence the pre crisis feats are applicable. The first 3 i mentioned are PC feats, and there's no reason to assume any PC event is inapplicable (apart from character relations) considering that there are post-Crisis issues which even reference random Pre-Crisis issues and not just major events like the one you posted.

Originally posted by kevdude
Nice list operator! Let's not forget that, Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies + the Guardians life force/power. They returned when Kyle have up all that power.

I was under the impression that Kyle recreated them anew. The original guardians sacrificed themselves to preserve Ganthet, so Kyle had to recreate the guardians from scratch.

Galan007
Originally posted by operator616
They may not have the high showings they previously showed by they don't have the lows either. In the PC era, there were instances where the likes of Hammond, evil star and Sinestro were portrayed as overpowering the guardians, there was even a creature who, despite unable to mindrape black canary, was able to mindrape the guardians. IIRC Johns actually retconned those showings away by establishing the concept of "guardians don't act even if they are in danger". He's not all that bad. Oh, I can appreciate some of the changes Johns has made to Lantern continuity over the years. He's just watered down the Guardians, is all.

Originally posted by operator616
Right. Though i remember he was still packing enough energy to destroy the universe with a chain reaction in the end. I believe Volthoom still had to extract Hal's 'spark' before he could definitively operate on a universal scale, but I don't care enough to look.

At the very least, Volthoom>EVERY Guardian, and EVERY Lantern Corps. He swatted all of them aside, effortlessly. The only real exception was Black Lantern Hal, who, with the help of Sinestrollax, was able to drain Volthoom of all his power. However, that certainly isn't a low feat for 'thoom, considering that in the very same comic, Hal was stated to be a will-power Nexus point that was =/> the Central Power Battery, and likened to the spark that triggered the original big bang. Hal also made Nekron his slave/b*tch.

Sinestrollax might also be considered an exception, but he was not more powerful than Volthoom overall.

Galan007
Originally posted by operator616
I was under the impression that Kyle recreated them anew. The original guardians sacrificed themselves to preserve Ganthet, so Kyle had to recreate the guardians from scratch. http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321171_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-029.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321172_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-030.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321173_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-031.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321174_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-032.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321175_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-033.jpg

operator616
Originally posted by Galan007

I believe Volthoom still had to extract Hal's 'spark' before he could definitively operate on a universal scale, but I don't care enough to look.


The reason Hal didn't outright kill Volthoom is because if he did the emotional energy inside him would trigger a universe destroying chain reaction. Hence why he drained him.

Originally posted by Galan007

At the very least, Volthoom>EVERY Guardian, and EVERY Lantern Corps. He swatted all of them aside, effortlessly. The only real exception was Black Lantern Hal, who, with the help of Sinestrollax, was able to drain Volthoom of all his power. However, that certainly isn't a low feat for 'thoom, considering that in the very same comic, Hal was stated to be a will-power Nexus point that was =/> the Central Power Battery, and likened to the spark that triggered the original big bang. Hal also made Nekron his slave/b*tch.

Sinestrollax might also be considered an exception, but he was not more powerful than Volthoom overall.

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operator616
Originally posted by Galan007
http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321171_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-029.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321172_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-030.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321173_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-031.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321174_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-032.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321175_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-033.jpg

Hm, i forgot that part. So i stand corrected.

Surtur
The very fact that a Guardian had to suicide bomb SBP in order to take him out should tell you something in regards to how they'd fair against the Celestials.

Galan007
Originally posted by operator616
The reason Hal didn't outright kill Volthoom is because if he did the emotional energy inside him would trigger a universe destroying chain reaction. Hence why he drained him.

thumb up Right, right... But that was after he'd already extracted Hal's "God-Will" or w/e. That's all I'm saying. thumb up

Dampyre
Celestials stomp.

Galan007
Originally posted by Surtur
The very fact that a Guardian had to suicide bomb SBP in order to take him out should tell you something in regards to how they'd fair against the Celestials. Tbf, we're talking about the same Prime who flew straight through pure anti-matter energy without even flinching in the very same comic.

That considered, a Guardian atomizing him is actually quite uber.

Genii96
One celestial is enough

abhilegend
Krona alone is enough.

Diesldude
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well if you don't think SBP asking for help like a baby is getting overpowered, I don't know what is.

The whole of reality was going to die because of depletion of source wall. He filled the reservoir.

Why isn't it quantifiable?

Like filling the source wall?

Now that's just silly.

Yeah, right.

I think SBP saw the explosion coming and didn't know what was going to happen. That's why he screamed and it happened too quick for him to break free. The guardians would never have made that sacrifice if they knew that he could be overpowered with just their strength.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Galan007

Whole scene:
http://i.imgur.com/4SiEvtb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qAXMoIY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m8K2hSy.jpg
*We also see that the Guardians' blasts were capable of hurting a rampaging Prime--which is a feat in itself.
:

Guardians get their clothes from the same tailor as Hulk, it seems thumb up

kevdude
Originally posted by Galan007
http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321171_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-029.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321172_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-030.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321173_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-031.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321174_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-032.jpg http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24321175_Green_Lantern_1990-2004_150-033.jpg

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Originally posted by Diesldude
I think SBP saw the explosion coming and didn't know what was going to happen. That's why he screamed and it happened too quick for him to break free. The guardians would never have made that sacrifice if they knew that he could be overpowered with just their strength.

SBP would have broke free if he could have (notice the Guardian not letting go?), that's why he was screaming for help. The Guardian himself even said "It is you playing with a power that eclipses your own".. The Guardian knew how big a sacrifice it was and willingly died to rid the universe of SBP. One way or the other they dealt with him themselves, because that's what it took to stop Superboy-Prime.

bbrem123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Krona alone is enough. Scathan is enough, with little to no effort on his part.

kevdude
Originally posted by Galan007


At the very least, Volthoom>EVERY Guardian, and EVERY Lantern Corps. He swatted all of them aside, effortlessly. The only real exception was Black Lantern Hal, who, with the help of Sinestrollax, was able to drain Volthoom of all his power. However, that certainly isn't a low feat for 'thoom, considering that in the very same comic, Hal was stated to be a will-power Nexus point that was =/> the Central Power Battery, and likened to the spark that triggered the original big bang. Hal also made Nekron his slave/b*tch.

Sinestrollax might also be considered an exception, but he was not more powerful than Volthoom overall.

The Guardians did defeat Volthoom once before with the help of the Manhunters, so there's that feat for them also. I don't think they ever showed just 'how' it was done though. Maybe they did? hmm. To bad we didn't see them with the power of the Great Heart at full power. eek!

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