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In the Geonossian arena, all out. Since Vader never actually faced off against Yoda in the movies.

Who wins this and why?

Yoda. Vader is slow. He loses.

Shit thread.

Yoda

Is the Vader being 8/10 of ROTJ Sidious still canon or legends now?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Is the Vader being 8/10 of ROTJ Sidious still canon or legends now? Its still pretty illogical tbh

Originally posted by Sinious
Its still pretty illogical tbh

Is it still canon though. It's been a lot of stuff that has been moved around and is no longer canon, so if this is canon then this makes this battle more difficult.

A lot of people didn't take that seriously even before Disney. I doubt anyone will now.

Yoda wins, easily. Vader of rotj looked very bad and slow making Sidious' reactions even worse since he killed him with one hand.

Originally posted by Sinious
A lot of people didn't take that seriously even before Disney. I doubt anyone will now.

Yoda steamrolls.

Yoda's not steamrolling Vader, though he definitely still wins.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yoda's not steamrolling Vader, though he definitely still wins.

Isn't Yoda supposed to be on a higher spectrum of competence in comparison to others with exception of Darth Sidious?

By the way, Yoda steamrolls...

Isn't Sidious supposed to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all time?

Yoda wins, it's not a stomp though.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
By the way, Yoda steamrolls...

Nah.
Yoda is not steamrolling someone who raw power is 80% of Palpatine's, and canonically one of the most skilled swordsman to ever live.

Yoda beats Vader with difficulty.

Yoda with difficulty

LOL NO

It is amusing that some members assume that Yoda would defeat Revan easily but would find Darth Vader a challenging opponent.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nah.
Yoda is not steamrolling someone who raw power is 80% of Palpatine's, and canonically one of the most skilled swordsman to ever live.
That 80% is a "maybe," a remark made by George Lucas to explain a point. I find it amusing that people have taken it at face-value.

Darth Vader isn't 80% of Darth Sidious in official literature. The gap is realistically bigger.

Lulz. Who thinks Yoda will defeat Revan easily and posted in this thread? And your cherry picking is on overdrive.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lulz. Who thinks Yoda will defeat Revan easily and posted in this thread? And your cherry picking is on overdrive.
You must not question my infinite wisdom. Your job is to nod in agreement, peasant.

The SWTOR Brigade doesn't have to pretend I don't exist...

Yoda with small / moderate difficulty

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That 80% is a "maybe," a remark made by George Lucas to explain a point. I find it amusing that people have taken it at face-value.

Darth Vader isn't 80% of Darth Sidious in official literature. The gap is realistically bigger.

Nah, it wasn't a maybe. It was a direct statement made by the creator of the mythos--- sorry if I take his word over anyone esle, though. Not to mention, nothing actually contradicts it, as far as RAW power is concerned; unless, you mind explaining it to me why it does. I'm open minded - given the discussion - is worth it.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Yoda beats Vader with difficulty. How many wins does Yoda get out of ten ?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nah, it wasn't a maybe. It was a direct statement made by the creator of the mythos--- sorry if I take his word over anyone esle, though. Not to mention, nothing actually contradicts it, as far as RAW power is concerned; unless, you mind explaining it to me why it does. I'm open minded - given the discussion - is worth it.


Vader's TK might even be =/> Sidious's.

So whatever Power difference there is between the 2, it's likely all down to Sidious's superior speed/mobility in a Saber match up.

Of course Vader's arguably more even more Powerful than Yoda or Sidious given his Piloting Skills.

He's the no.1 Jedi/Sith in a Space Battle.

Piloting skills have no bearing on a one on one saber fight. Quit going off topic to wank Vader.

Originally posted by Sinious
Its still pretty illogical tbh

What's illogical about that?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What's illogical about that? %80 hints that they are somewhat close and ROTJ Sidious vs Vader isn't a good fight lol

And why is that illogical, and why wouldn't it?

Yeah, I don't think I have to explain why Sidious outclasses Vader.

Indulge me. Or do you not have a reason why DE Luke can do something Vader can't even come close to?

You people do know the difference between RAW power, RAW power, in conjucntion with vastly superior mastery of the Force, right? 'Cause that's what makes the gap between Vader and RotJ Sidious"big". Even then, I don't think Palpatine by RotJ, is someone capable of wrecking Vader to the point he'll put up no fight whatsoever. He'll go down, and go down HARD - but not like a some n00b *****, or the members of the Jedi B-team.

Vader's Force abilities can buy him time, but ultimately he's completely outmatched in a 'saber duel, IMO.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Vader's TK might even be =/> Sidious's.

Basing on...? Vader might have some nice-looking showings, but he literaly has no good showings against top-Force users (excluding perhaps TFU and TFU II). Or at least mid-Force users.

Pavan has some nice, showing to be honest - he could me mid-tier and Vader wrecked him casually. And Luke suggested that Vader would have stomped him in the Force, had he not held back his power in CoPL. Sources have identified as Luke as one of the most powerful Jedi the galaxy has every known, at that point in time.

Originally posted by McP
Basing on...? Vader might have some nice-looking showings, but he literaly has no good showings against top-Force users (excluding perhaps TFU and TFU II). Or at least mid-Force users.



Crushing an AT-AT. Best TK Feat against Inanimate objects in Canon.

Unless we're going by Legends in which case why would we ignore TFU and TFUII?


Originally posted by quanchi112



Piloting skills have no bearing on a one on one saber fight. Quit going off topic to wank Vader.


Still butthurt about Vader being the best supernatural pilot I see


TFA will open your mind to the True Awesomeness of Star Wars Space Battles.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Crushing an AT-AT. Best TK Feat against Inanimate objects in Canon.

Unless we're going by Legends in which case why would we ignore TFU and TFUII?





Still butthurt about Vader being the best supernatural pilot I see


TFA will open your mind to the True Awesomeness of Star Wars Space Battles. He got outwitted by some rebels. For all his skills he lost against some scrubs.


I never once doubted Abrams. "I will FINISH what YOU started."

Best line from the new trailer.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Crushing an AT-AT. Best TK Feat against Inanimate objects in Canon.

Unless we're going by Legends in which case why would we ignore TFU and TFUII?





Still butthurt about Vader being the best supernatural pilot I see


TFA will open your mind to the True Awesomeness of Star Wars Space Battles.

This is also very impressive:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4865927-0882056745-48653.gif

Originally posted by quanchi112


I never once doubted Abrams.


He will teach you what Star Wars is all about. And what fans go crazy for:

The Space Battles.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He will teach you what Star Wars is all about. And what fans go crazy for:

The Space Battles. For me it's lightsaber battles and ground combat but you love space battles more. That's fine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How many wins does Yoda get out of ten ?

7 or 8 times out of 10.
Vader's force abilities are probably near the level of Yoda's, and he's a very skilled duelist; what he lost in speed/agility he makes up for in power. But Yoda would be too fast for him and eventually beat him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
For me it's lightsaber battles and ground combat but you love space battles more. That's fine.


I love them both. Both combined make Star Wars as Awesome as it is. But TFA is clearly focusing more on the Space Battles, which I must admit I've missed. And clearly the fans are going crazy for it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Crushing an AT-AT. Best TK Feat against Inanimate objects in Canon.

Unless we're going by Legends in which case why would we ignore TFU and TFUII?

Because vast majority of games - including TFUs - exaggerates characters' abilities.

Besides TFUs, there is nothing in Legends, that would suggest that Vader can stomp even minor Jedi with his Force Powers. Minor, I assume Dark Woman for example. Not some folks like Shryne.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I love them both. Both combined make Star Wars as Awesome as it is. But TFA is clearly focusing more on the Space Battles, which I must admit I've missed. And clearly the fans are going crazy for it. Space battles are fine but nothing compares in Star Wars to the lightsaber battles and the ground combat. The trailer showed tons of action which looks awesome.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Space battles are fine but nothing compares in Star Wars to the lightsaber battles and the ground combat. The trailer showed tons of action which looks awesome.


Well It wouldn't be a Star Wars film without a Lightsaber battle of course. But if they keep doing too many Saber battles it loses it's appeal. They have to keep them rare. Worked well for ROTS to be full of Saber fights, but they can't do that again for a while.

Whilst Space Battles can be used to make the rest of the film Awesome. And will play a big part of an epic finale, just like in ANH and ROTJ.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well It wouldn't be a Star Wars film without a Lightsaber battle of course. But if they keep doing too many Saber battles it loses it's appeal. They have to keep them rare. Worked well for ROTS to be full of Saber fights, but they can't do that again for a while.

Whilst Space Battles can be used to make the rest of the film Awesome. And will play a big part of an epic finale, just like in ANH and ROTJ. Rots was the best for a reason for me. Abrams will know how to split up the action and make the most of the scenes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Rots was the best for a reason for me. Abrams will know how to split up the action and make the most of the scenes.


Like I said, it worked for ROTS. But it would lose it's appeal quickly if they repeated that formula.

By the looks of things Abrams certainly understands the importance of Space Battles to the Star Wars Saga. That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Like I said, it worked for ROTS. But it would lose it's appeal quickly if they repeated that formula.

By the looks of things Abrams certainly understands the importance of Space Battles to the Star Wars Saga. That's all I'm saying. I disagree and hope down the line we see more lightsaber battles. I don't need four per film but I don't want just one either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree and hope down the line we see more lightsaber battles. I don't need four per film but I don't want just one either.


Well there's bound to be more than 1 Saber fight given the number of players involved. But the Space Battles will be the majority of the Excitement. Abrams has made that clear in the trailers, and everyone's stoked for it.

Originally posted by McP
Because vast majority of games - including TFUs - exaggerates characters' abilities.


All mediums in Legends depicted Force Powers differently. Still when he overpowers other Jedi that counts, because the Jedi he overpowers are portrayed in the same medium.


Originally posted by McP
Besides TFUs, there is nothing in Legends, that would suggest that Vader can stomp even minor Jedi with his Force Powers. Minor, I assume Dark Woman for example. Not some folks like Shryne.


Even discounting TFU, his feats were such that it'd be silly to think he couldn't overpower Jedi/Sith of Kenobi and Ventress level with TK. Same goes for Windu.

Same with Canon Vader now. When his AT-AT Crushing feat is the biggest feat against Non-Living objects in Canon, is there really any doubt that he would overpower ROTS Kenobi or TCW Maul with his TK?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well there's bound to be more than 1 Saber fight given the number of players involved. But the Space Battles will be the majority of the Excitement. Abrams has made that clear in the trailers, and everyone's stoked for it. So then I'll be happy. Quit speaking for other people. The action looks great and I've been excited about this the day Abrams signed on. Lightsaber battles are the best for me but you prefer space battles. Nuff said.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So then I'll be happy. Quit speaking for other people. The action looks great and I've been excited about this the day Abrams signed on. Lightsaber battles are the best for me but you prefer space battles. Nuff said.


LOL Have you not seen the hype from people since the initial trailer when they saw the Millenium Falcon flying past those Tie Fighters? Of course I can speak for those fans who were all excited over that.

I never said I prefer space battles to Saber fights. But it's you, so keep trolling.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
LOL Have you not seen the hype from people since the initial trailer when they saw the Millenium Falcon flying past those Tie Fighters? Of course I can speak for those fans who were all excited over that.

I never said I prefer space battles to Saber fights. But it's you, so keep trolling. Action is fine and great but acting like that's the main reason they are all excited is just wrong.

At the end of the trailer is a light saber tease. That's what makes Star Wars unique not space battles.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Action is fine and great but acting like that's the main reason they are all excited is just wrong.

At the end of the trailer is a light saber tease. That's what makes Star Wars unique not space battles.



LOL And plenty of fans were initially cursing the new Saber. But we're still buzzing over the trailer. Ergo I'm right, you're wrong.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
LOL And plenty of fans were initially cursing the new Saber. But we're still buzzing over the trailer. Ergo I'm right, you're wrong. I was not one of them. The new saber looks cool and different. Also fits into the plot of the film. I've always backed this film unlike yourself. I'll be proven correct on December 17. I will always prefer the lightsaber battles you'll prefer the space battles.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I've always backed this film unlike yourself. I'll be proven correct on December 17.


You've always hated Star Wars. You still do. That won't change December 17th.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Same with Canon Vader now. When his AT-AT Crushing feat is the biggest feat against Non-Living objects in Canon, is there really any doubt that he would overpower ROTS Kenobi or TCW Maul with his TK?

Obviously. Mostly because there is no evidence, that would suggest that Vader was good at breaking Force guards of his opponents.
Or, wait. Also, overpower doesn't mean "stomp". Like Sidious stomped Maul and Opress in the Force, like Yoda stomped Ventress. Let me ask you - do you really believe, that Vader would be able to stomp Kenobi, Ventress, Maul or even Ahsoka the same way that Sidious and Yoda did?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You've always hated Star Wars. You still do. That won't change December 17th. Im the guy who claimed it would be the best Star Wars to date. You didn't, unbeliever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Im the guy who claimed it would be the best Star Wars to date. You didn't, unbeliever.


Ok, you've had a good laugh pretending to be a Star Wars fan. Run back to your NUTrek now

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ok, you've had a good laugh pretending to be a Star Wars fan. Run back to your NUTrek now Just like Abrams I choose both and to be completely objective about both unlike you, unbeliever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just like Abrams I choose both and to be completely objective about both unlike you, unbeliever.


No Abrams ran from Trek to Wars.

You run back to NuTrek now

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No Abrams ran from Trek to Wars.

You run back to NuTrek now He already directed two films. He's still producing Trek Beyond. Can't wait for that either. Don't worry about me.

You need both lightsaber duels and space battles to make Star Wars Star Wars. It should be a nice balance of both with one maybe having a little more time than the other. All depends on how Mr. Abrams feels it all play out for Star Wars' big return.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You need both lightsaber duels and space battles to make Star Wars Star Wars. It should be a nice balance of both with one maybe having a little more time than the other. All depends on how Mr. Abrams feels it all play out for Star Wars' big return. You do need both but lightsaber battles are what makes it truly unique. That's always been the case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You do need both but lightsaber battles are what makes it truly unique. That's always been the case.

Without space battles you take away a big chunk of Star Wars. You need both to complement the others.

The battle between Luke and Vader was complemented by the battle between the space battle over Endor.

Notice TCW has a ton of space battles that help lead to and compel,went their lightsaber duels.

Without space battles you take the action away because either the people who are going to fight are always on the same planet, or they just fly their with no problem. That's boring.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Without space battles you take away a big chunk of Star Wars. You need both to complement the others.

The battle between Luke and Vader was complemented by the battle between the space battle over Endor.

Notice TCW has a ton of space battles that help lead to and compel,went their lightsaber duels.

Without space battles you take the action away because either the people who are going to fight are always on the same planet, or they just fly their with no problem. That's boring. I didn't say to do away with them. I said lightsaber battles are the best. Quit repeating yourself showing you don't grasp what it is I'm saying.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say to do away with them. I said lightsaber battles are the best. Quit repeating yourself showing you don't grasp what it is I'm saying.

Well that's more an opinion than something that should actually happen. I'm not repeating myself. I'm giving examples of how the complement each other. You clearly don't understand examples.

Quanchi112 and EmperorSidious2, calm down girls, you're both pretty.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You do need both but lightsaber battles are what makes it truly unique.


False. The Space Battles do as well. The attack on the Death Star was truly Unique to the Original Star Wars. So it's the combination of both which makes SW a truly unique visual experience.


Run back to NUTrek. SW clearly ain't your thing.

I say there equals. You take one out, it just makes the whole thing boring.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I say there equals. You take one out, it just makes the whole thing boring.



Oh I think either can work on their own, but I agree they're both equally important to the Star Wars experience.


However we've missed out on a lot of the space action in the Prequels, which is why the Millenium Falcon has been at the forefront of Ep. 7's marketing campaign, and why fans everywhere went nuts when the first trailer showed the Falcon.

Kylo Ren igniting his Saber for the first time didn't have the anywhere close to the same impact.

Skeptical on it being the best one to date, but we'll see.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You do need both but lightsaber battles are what makes it truly unique. That's always been the case.

I'm actually going to agree with quan here.

Star Trek and other sci-fi movies/tv shows have space battles. Not to say the space battles in Star Wars aren't unique in their own right, but in no other movie/show do you see acrobatic fights with energy swords. It's definitely better/more important than the space battles imo.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well that's more an opinion than something that should actually happen. I'm not repeating myself. I'm giving examples of how the complement each other. You clearly don't understand examples. I never said you needed to compare one over the other but if we do since Darth Thor is obsessed light saber battles are the best thing about Star Wars. He feels differently. It's what has always made it unique.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
False. The Space Battles do as well. The attack on the Death Star was truly Unique to the Original Star Wars. So it's the combination of both which makes SW a truly unique visual experience.


Run back to NUTrek. SW clearly ain't your thing. Originally posted by Trocity
I'm actually going to agree with quan here.

Star Trek and other sci-fi movies/tv shows have space battles. Not to say the space battles in Star Wars aren't unique in their own right, but in no other movie/show do you see acrobatic fights with energy swords. It's definitely better/more important than the space battles imo. You bring up space battles which trek also has. What any self respecting Star Wars fan should know is that light saber battles makes it truly unique. But as I said Darth Thor you obviously prefer space battles but ironically tell me to run back to trek which has those, sport.


This guy gets it. You don't. Space battles aren't unique to Star Wars though FYI.

Originally posted by Trocity
I'm actually going to agree with quan here.

Star Trek and other sci-fi movies/tv shows have space battles. Not to say the space battles in Star Wars aren't unique in their own right, but in no other movie/show do you see acrobatic fights with energy swords. It's definitely better/more important than the space battles imo.


Well there were no "acrobatics" in the first SW. There was just the one Saber fight which didn't last very long. The Death Star attack, and the Star Destroyer at the beginning was all a Massive part of the SW Experience.

The Sabers as well of course, but don't underestimate the importance of the Uniqueness of SW Space Battles.

So it's the combination of both tbh.

But the Marketing behind EP 7 has certainly revolved around the Millenium Falcon more than the Sabers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You bring up space battles which trek also has.



Yeah you run back to your NUTrek

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah you run back to your NUTrek Trek has space battles as well and acting like that's the staple of Star Wars isn't accurate at all. Most Sci Fi films have aerial combat but what makes Star Wars truly unique are the light saber battles. You don't have to love them but I do. Just like Abrams I can have both.

Run back to Khan Trekkie

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well there were no "acrobatics" in the first SW. There was just the one Saber fight which didn't last very long. The Death Star attack, and the Star Destroyer at the beginning was all a Massive part of the SW Experience.

The Sabers as well of course, but don't underestimate the importance of the Uniqueness of SW Space Battles.

So it's the combination of both tbh.

But the Marketing behind EP 7 has certainly revolved around the Millenium Falcon more than the Sabers.

No acrobatics?

There were acrobatics, they weren't like frequent, but they were there.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
No acrobatics?

There were acrobatics, they weren't like frequent, but they were there.


In ANH? When?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
In ANH? When?

Oh! I didn't realize, you were meaning like the actual 1st movie, I thought you were meaning the first SW trilogy.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Run back to Khan Trekkie So you can't even address my points and thus concede the debate with your silly childish antics. Too emotionally invested to even think straight around me. Can't wait for the film.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you can't even address my points and thus concede the debate with your silly childish antics. Too emotionally invested to even think straight around me. Can't wait for the film.


You're the biggest Star Wars Hater on KMC. Pretending to be a fan now


Run back to Khan

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You're the biggest Star Wars Hater on KMC. Pretending to be a fan now


Run back to Khan Look at the sig. I posted first right after the trailer. I'm more of a fan than you are. You're a Thor guy. You have never even had a Star Wars sig. Called the best Star Wars film yet.


Love Khan too. I'm a very positive human being.

If it was a Pre New Hope Vader then I would side with Vader. An old, slow, RotJ Vader dies to Yoda 8/10

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look at the sig. I posted first right after the trailer. I'm more of a fan than you are. You're a Thor guy. You have never even had a Star Wars sig. Called the best Star Wars film yet.


Love Khan too. I'm a very positive human being.


My last Sig was Boba Fett you Trekkie.

Not that I need to justify myself to the biggest Luke, Vader, OT and Disney Canon Hater here.

Run back to Khan you NUTrekkie

Dafaq are you guys even talking about?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
My last Sig was Boba Fett you Trekkie.

Not that I need to justify myself to the biggest Luke, Vader, OT and Disney Canon Hater here.

Run back to Khan you NUTrekkie You have never had a Boba Fett sig. Have you ever even had a sig ?

You have an avatar.


Love Disney canon. Vader got shown up by rebel scum. Inexperienced guys just making him look bad. Love it.


Look at my sig which is the episode 7.

Since it's ROTJ, Yoda. This is not prime, full on killing machine Vader, who could take out Yoda. Luke, softened him by this time.

Originally posted by kiddo44
Since it's ROTJ, Yoda. This is not prime, full on killing machine Vader, who could take out Yoda. Luke, softened him by this time. When would Vader best Yoda ? What is this based on ?

Its based on nothing but imagination of course.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Look at my sig which is the episode 7.



I look at your history, which is one of a Episode 7 Hater.

Hating on The Space Battles and on Luke's Epic appearance. Everything Abrams is working towards you Hate

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I look at your history, which is one of a Episode 7 Hater.

Hating on The Space Battles and on Luke's Epic appearance. Everything Abrams is working towards you Hate My sig is an episode seven sig. You've never had a sig.


I don't hate the space battles but prefe the light saber battles which is a Star Wars staple. You should know that by now, noob.

Closed- off topic.