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Force Only battle.

Vader.

Vader.

She seems on his level, raw power wise, but lacks the mastery to contend with Vader.

Vader

Originally posted by Selenial
Vader.

She seems on his level, raw power wise, but lacks the mastery to contend with Vader.

LolVader

Vader for now.

Originally posted by Selenial
Vader.

She seems on his level, raw power wise, but lacks the mastery to contend with Vader.

Lohd Vadaaaahhhh

Vader.

Vader bends her over casually.

Vaylin destroyed a blast door: https://i.imgur.com/g4MldhC.gifv

Comparatively, Darth Vader breached concrete and metal walls on separate occasions:

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118734/3256896-7131016059-21914.jpg

However, a blast door is tougher barrier to breach.

Vaylin's top showing is ripping apart a multi-story structure and hurling its massive chunks like missiles towards another building: https://i.imgur.com/BytFLox.gifv

Comparatively, Darth Vader have collapsed a Cathedral (though size of this building cannot be determined): http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118734/3256948-8953222315-21391.jpg

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Vaylin seems to have edge in raw power.

Vader tossed giant disk shaped things in TFU 2 bud.

Didn't he also blow away a bunch of trees in TFU 1?

Those aren't even his best feats

He picked ones that were comparable so he could give the edge to Vaylin.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Vader tossed giant disk shaped things in TFU 2 bud.
He ripped apart 3 from their foundations but managed to hold and lift only 1 which he threw near the position of Starkiller.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Didn't he also blow away a bunch of trees in TFU 1?
He knocked down a single tree and shoved it into a large creature.

Originally posted by Trocity
He picked ones that were comparable so he could give the edge to Vaylin.

At least this time he tried to pretend he's not biased.

Originally posted by Trocity
He picked ones that were comparable so he could give the edge to Vaylin. Nah Im pretty sure xtasy would prefer Vader's superiority over Vaylin to hers over him any day tbh.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
At least this time he tried to pretend he's not biased.

Lol.

They were feats I thought were comparable to what Vaylin has done, Legend didn't mention em, nor did anyone, so I did.

Originally posted by Sinious
Nah Im pretty sure xtasy would prefer Vader's superiority over Vaylin to hers over him any day tbh.

Eh, she's a total boss, but it's nothing Vader hasn't done prior to reaching his own prime.

For the moment at least, I'll have Vader>Vaylin until her true power is shown.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Lol.

They were feats I thought were comparable to what Vaylin has done, Legend didn't mention em, nor did anyone, so I did.
They are not comparable honestly.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Eh, she's a total boss, but it's nothing Vader hasn't done prior to reaching his own prime.

For the moment at least, I'll have Vader>Vaylin until her true power is shown.
Vaylin's top showings are superior to those of Darth Vader's in similar respect.

Vader in everything relevant to a battle.

shut up

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Eh, she's a total boss, but it's nothing Vader hasn't done prior to reaching his own prime.

For the moment at least, I'll have Vader>Vaylin until her true power is shown.

I don't think I've seen him do something like that Sunpooper feat or whatever its called, personally.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They are not comparable honestly.

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I'm not really going to argue this with you of all people, I'm uninterested in a debate and retired.

Now if you'll excuse me.


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Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
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I'm not really going to argue this with you of all people, I'm uninterested in a debate and retired.

Now if you'll excuse me.


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Here:

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is not overblown. You are terrible at scaling just like The_Tempest.

I am giving scaling another try:-

Check this image:

http://i60.tinypic.com/27yr62u.png

You can notice 3 arrows.

1. Top arrow points towards a multi-story structure that Vaylin initially targeted. Lets call it "bottom structure" since it rests below the "power core." It is like 15 stories tall.

2. Middle arrow points towards Lana Beniko and the Outlander. Notice how small they are in comparison to the surroundings?

3. Bottom arrow points towards gigantic trees that are like 10 stories tall each.

Now check this image:

http://i58.tinypic.com/hv1oac.png

You can notice 3 arrows.

1. Left arrow points towards the "bottom structure."

2. Middle arrow points towards the protagonists mentioned above.

3. Right arrow points towards the power grids that separate the "bottom structure" from the area where Vaylin will throw the chunks.

Now check this image:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2m6jv5g.png

You can notice 3 arrows.

1. Bottom arrow points towards the power grids that separate the "bottom structure" from the area where Vaylin is throwing the chunks. This time, angle is focused towards the area where chunks are being thrown by Vaylin.

2. Middle arrow points towards gigantic trees that are like 10 stories tall as pointed out by me earlier.

3. Top arrow points towards a massive chunk that is much larger then a bus in sheer size.

Now check this image:

http://i57.tinypic.com/1eat95.png

You can notice a single arrow.

This arrow points towards a Starship that is passing by and it can be used for scaling purpose. The power core (itself) is like 10 stories tall.

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Clear enough?

Vaylin's showings are superior, period.

Vader lol.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy


Eh, she's a total boss, but it's nothing Vader hasn't done prior to reaching his own prime.

For the moment at least, I'll have Vader>Vaylin until her true power is shown. Yeah, Vaylin will probably end up being the second most powerful character in SWTOR.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here:



Vaylin's showings are superior, period.



Lemme put it this way.

I do not have the years required nor the desire to indulge you.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Lemme put it this way.

I do not have the years required nor the desire to indulge you.
You do not have an argument actually.

Here is a more detailed analysis: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t619116.html

Darth Vader have never destroyed a multi-story structure of comparable size, period.

In-fact, we haven't seen even the likes of Starkiller, Revan, Yoda and Darth Plagueis destroying multi-story structures that big.

We've seen Bane do it tho.

http://lpix.org/2250837/gflowey-troll.png

Implying that the ruined temple that Bane knocked down whilst amped is bigger than the cathedral Vader knocked down in a near-dead state.

Feel the pain of Bane's inferiority, Neph. It flows through every thread he's in.

Lol, it was much, much bigger. Maybe I'll take some screenshots when I run it.

Even accounting for it being in the ruined state and Bane being in a vastly greater condition in addition to his massive amplifications? Sure.

It wasn't in a ruined state and yeah even accounting for that. Considering it tanked Revans bombardment, its a hell of a feat. Bane wasn't in peak health either.

Lord Vader finds her lack of faith disturbing.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Lord Vader finds her lack of faith disturbing.
No son! Vaylin finds his lack of faith disturbing and forces him to kneel.

Everyone but Legend says Vader wins.

Vader dies.

Vader wins solidly.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4865927-0882056745-48653.gif

I'd say this is possibly Legends Vader's best feat (at least if we disregard him Force gripping SK while holding back, as per Sam Witwer, though to be fair Sk was also somewhat tired), and it should be at least comparable to disintegrating Lyleks. And aside from feats, he was also indirectly compared to Yoda several times, which is pretty impressive.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Vader wins solidly.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4865927-0882056745-48653.gif

I'd say this is possibly Legends Vader's best feat (at least if we disregard him Force gripping SK while holding back, as per Sam Witwer, though to be fair Sk was also somewhat tired), and it should be at least comparable to disintegrating Lyleks. And aside from feats, he was also indirectly compared to Yoda several times, which is pretty impressive.
That structure was already fractured. Darth Vader just had to exert his power on the central segment and destroy it, the other two pieces fell down. An impressive showing but not comparable to Vaylin's monstrous feat: https://i.imgur.com/BytFLox.gifv

Vaylin tore a multi-story structure apart and hurled its massive chunks like missiles towards another building. As I stated earlier, you will be hard-pressed to find a comparable feat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That structure was already fractured. Darth Vader just had to exert his power on the central segment and destroy it, the other two pieces fell down. An impressive showing but not comparable to Vaylin's monstrous feat: https://i.imgur.com/BytFLox.gifv

Vaylin tore a multi-story structure apart and hurled its massive chunks like missiles towards another building. As I stated earlier, you will be hard-pressed to find a comparable feat.

Except that Vader utterly disintegrated a sizable portion of that tower, which is much more impressive than tearing it apart, and there is no indication that he exerted himself much in doing so. The structure being already fractured is irrelevant, because that portion wasn't. And anyway, the tower was big enough to dwarf AT-STs in size. For the record, those walkers are something like 9 or 10 meter high, so that's very impressive.

Also, before his prime, Vader Force gripped SK while not only holding back, but basically throwing the fight.

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This is somewhat supported by the novel, where Starkiller notes, in the first part of the fight, that Vader was testing him, and in the second, Vader still didn't want to kill him.

For the record, Starkiller was strong enough to disintegrate half of a 300 meter frigate while simultaneously maintaining a Force Barrier.

And don't try to spout nonsense like it being exaggerated or inconsistent, because none of Vader's feats by that time (and by this I mean a few years before or after that point) contradict that, considering that the vast majority of his best showings were performed something like 17 or 18 years before TFU2, so nothing proves Vader is incapable of producing that level of power, given that he grew progressively stronger in the Force during those years. Also, the claim those feats are exaggerated can be applied to most of the EU, and considering that those kind of feats are being replicated in canon material, which is just as valid as the movies themselves, that would be an idiotic argument that could be only used because some people don't want some characters to reach a certain level. And considering that Vader was compared to Yoda (several times), even before TFU, that is quite telling he is above Vaylin.

Finally, Vader collapsed a cathedral while gravely wounded, and while he was in the underlevels of the structure. That happened 23 years pre prime, and it's honestly more impressive than Vaylin's showing. Many years after that point, he would certainly do much better.

Originally posted by Sinious
Nah Im pretty sure xtasy would prefer Vader's superiority over Vaylin to hers over him any day tbh.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Lol.

They were feats I thought were comparable to what Vaylin has done, Legend didn't mention em, nor did anyone, so I did.

Guys, we were talking about Legend, not Fated lmao.

Lol, that feat is nothing more than another demonstration of cheap game animations. It's no different than when the Wrath blew away that door.

Yeah, not really, although I'd like to point out Vaylin doesn't rip the entire generator apart. Just the covering on one side.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lol, that feat is nothing more than another demonstration of cheap game animations. It's no different than when the Wrath blew away that door.

?

Originally posted by Trocity
Guys, we were talking about Legend, not Fated lmao.

LOL sorry! my bad XD.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lol, that feat is nothing more than another demonstration of cheap game animations. It's no different than when the Wrath blew away that door.

Tis timed tho, and that apparently counts.

Also SWTOR itself is a giant demonstration of cheap animation bud. so meh

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lol, that feat is nothing more than another demonstration of cheap game animations. It's no different than when the Wrath blew away that door.

Honestly, pretty much. Though I don't agree with the Wrath thing since they do have models for busted up blast doors they could have easily used.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Except that Vader utterly disintegrated a sizable portion of that tower, which is much more impressive than tearing it apart, and there is no indication that he exerted himself much in doing so. The structure being already fractured is irrelevant, because that portion wasn't. And anyway, the tower was big enough to dwarf AT-STs in size. For the record, those walkers are something like 9 or 10 meter high, so that's very impressive.
He may have disintegrated the central segment but it is not realistically portrayed in that animation. Disintegration implies that parts would be scattered on the ground. Fractures made it easier for Darth Vader to disintegrate the central segment, they do matter.

Suppose that you are given the task to split a wooden rod into two parts. If the rod is in fine condition, you will have to exert to break it. If the rod is fractured somewhere (lets say in the middle), you will find it easier to split the rod into two parts since you will be able to exploit the fracture to your advantage. Basic science, my friend.

Vaylin ripped apart a structure that was like 15 stories tall and its walls were extremely thick and durable. Check this thread for details: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t619116.html

Darth Vader's feat does not compares, honestly.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Also, before his prime, Vader Force gripped SK while not only holding back, but basically throwing the fight.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4721032-3759904972-47193.gif




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This is somewhat supported by the novel, where Starkiller notes, in the first part of the fight, that Vader was testing him, and in the second, Vader still didn't want to kill him.

For the record, Starkiller was strong enough to disintegrate half of a 300 meter frigate while simultaneously maintaining a Force Barrier.
A powerful Force-user can have his moments against another powerful Force-user in a confrontation.

You will notice moments in which Darth Vader was dominating Starkiller and moments in which Starkiller was dominating Darth Vader.

I am not asserting that Darth Vader is lacking in strength, my point is that his top showings in the context of destruction of infrastructure do not compare to those of Vaylin.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
And don't try to spout nonsense like it being exaggerated or inconsistent, because none of Vader's feats by that time (and by this I mean a few years before or after that point) contradict that, considering that the vast majority of his best showings were performed something like 17 or 18 years before TFU2, so nothing proves Vader is incapable of producing that level of power, given that he grew progressively stronger in the Force during those years. Also, the claim those feats are exaggerated can be applied to most of the EU, and considering that those kind of feats are being replicated in canon material, which is just as valid as the movies themselves, that would be an idiotic argument that could be only used because some people don't want some characters to reach a certain level. And considering that Vader was compared to Yoda (several times), even before TFU, that is quite telling he is above Vaylin.
Vaylin's strength in the Force is also astounding and Valkorion prevented her from exploring her Force abilities.

"It's Vaylin! She'll bring the whole city crashing down on you if she has to!" (Lana Beniko)

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Finally, Vader collapsed a cathedral while gravely wounded, and while he was in the underlevels of the structure. That happened 23 years pre prime, and it's honestly more impressive than Vaylin's showing. Many years after that point, he would certainly do much better.
How big is this Cathedral?

After a few months/years she will be nothing in compere to Vader. That's nothing new, that most of you are fapping to new characters from some stupid games/other medias.

Arround '05 most of KMC's users thought, that Bane is best, that Sidious would be unable to defeat Sion etc. etc.

? The key being that people like Sion weren't doing the shit Valkorion/Vaylin/Arcann were doing.

Why are you responding to McP though?

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Originally posted by JKBart
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