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Fight takes place on a desert plateau.

Arcann can plausibly solo. With Vaylin, Plagueis gets plastered against a wall in seconds.

Arcann hasn't exactly lose his one on one with Plagueis yet, so I definitely take his side in this one with Vaylin.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Arcann can plausibly solo. With Vaylin, Plagueis gets plastered against a wall in seconds.

'Tis a shame no one has the balls to defend Plagueis against TOR on these boards.

No one believes Plagueis could beat this team, kek

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
'Tis a shame no one has the balls to defend Plagueis against TOR on these boards.
You think that he stands a chance against the duo of Arcann and Vaylin?

FYI, I am fan of Darth Plagueis and rank him very high at personal capacity.

Nah.
Of course the Muun can't beat the team on his own. I was talking about Arcann being > Plagueis. I can't say much until I re-read Darth Plagueis and form my own arguments for him.

Plagueis > Arcann individually kek

lol @ Arcann taking Plagueis.

Plagueis probably.

Plagueis isn't losing to Arcan but he definitely will lose to this team.

Arguable; Vaylin hasn't exactly demonstrated herself to be a very effective warrior, for all of her power.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Arguable; Vaylin hasn't exactly demonstrated herself to be a very effective warrior, for all of her power.


When Vaylin was in pursuit, Lana Beniko and the Outlander were fleeing. Granted that the Outlander was not in a good shape during this time but the two of them were handling anybody else just fine.

Some chapters later, when the Outlander and Vaylin met again, Vaylin send him packing across the hall with a Force push, but Senya intervened. Vaylin might have been holding back against her (i.e. mother); this is why she didn't use her powers against her mother. However, Vaylin remarked (later on) that she will not be merciful next time and would kill Senya, if they meet again.

Do not underestimate her. Play the game.

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Originally posted by Nephthys
Plagueis probably.
Neph had the only good opinion here

Plagueis stomps.

Originally posted by Sinious
Plagueis isn't losing to Arcan but he definitely will lose to this team.

Plagueis sweeps.

Plagueis is in league with Valkorion. He's way above both Arcann and Vaylin, and he can indeed take them both.

Plagueis in a good fight.

Arcann can tank on most of his attacks, and I have the gap between Vaylin and Vader only a slight margin smaller than her and Plagueis. It's a good fight, but team 10/10

LMFAO ^

Originally posted by Ursumeles
LMFAO ^
Reserve it for yourself.

Darth Plagueis doesn't stands a chance here.

Lol.
Plagueis could oneshot either of them, as he is close to RotS Sidious, who is canonically > Valkorion, and SWTOR Vitate.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Lol.
Plagueis could oneshot either of them, as he is close to RotS Sidious, who is canonically > Valkorion, and SWTOR Vitate.
Did he one-shot anybody of Arcann's strength? Not interested in unsubstantiated nonsense.

Arcann tanked Valkorion's FLS whose mere residual emissions were enough to down military-grade large Starships. He also endured lightsaber stabs and orbital bombardment from an entire fleet (on his flagship), though he was mortally wounded. His defenses are truly formidable.

Vaylin is the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy after Valkorion. More powerful than the Outlander and Arcann. And the Outlander has become the most powerful foe of Valkorion since chapter 12, stronger than Revan.

And Palpatine's superiority over Valkorion is suspect. Tell me something new.

Plagueis' lightning and TK aren't strong enough to one shot Arcann and possibly not strong enough to do so to Vaylin either. Arcann at least possesses more than adequate defenses to block his attacks for a good period of time.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did he one-shot anybody of Arcann's strength? Not interested in unsubstantiated nonsense.

Arcann tanked Valkorion's FLS whose mere residual emissions were enough to down Starships. He also endured lightsaber stabs and orbital bombardment from an entire fleet (on his flagship), though he was mortally wounded. His defenses are truly formidable.

Vaylin is the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy after Valkorion. More powerful than the Outlander and Arcann. And the Outlander has become the most powerful foe of Valkorion, stronger than Revan.

And Palpatine's superiority over Valkorion is suspect. You cannot affirm it.
He ragdolled 52BBY Palpatine

Valkorion was weakened, and wasn't it proved that his lightning just killed the pilot.

I think that is raw power wise, tbh.
Also, Outlander > Revan? Kek.

"The most powerful master over Sith Powers ever"

Vaylin (Empress) destroyed much of Voss. New rumors circulating.

What do you want to say....?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
He ragdolled 52BBY Palpatine

Valkorion was weakened, and wasn't it proved that his lightning just killed the pilot.

I think that is raw power wise, tbh.
Also, Outlander > Revan? Kek.

"The most powerful master over Sith Powers ever"
1. Evidence?

2. So? And his FLS electrocuted those Starships and everybody inside. Also, ever heard of auto-piloting?

3. Yes.

4. That source predates TOR.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
What do you want to say....?
Vaylin has insane powers. She is the next big bad after Valkorion.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Evidence?

2. So? And his FLS electrocuted those Starships and everybody inside. Also, ever heard of auto-piloting?

3. Yes.

4. That source predates TOR.
1. He chokes him on a fest, but I don't have the book at hand, atm.

2. That's nice. The other part of my post was more important tho. Evidence, btw?

3. No

4. And?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
1. He chokes him on a fest, but I don't have the book at hand, atm.
Proper information needed.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
2. That's nice. The other part of my post was more important tho. Evidence, btw?
What part?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
3. No
Yes.

He evaded death by infiltrating the mind of the Outlander, his most powerful opponent.

From Knights of the Eternal Throne

Your dismissal is impotent.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
4. And?
Not a valid source to consider.

Duo.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did he one-shot anybody of Arcann's strength? Not interested in unsubstantiated nonsense.

Arcann tanked Valkorion's FLS whose mere residual emissions were enough to down military-grade large Starships. He also endured lightsaber stabs and orbital bombardment from an entire fleet (on his flagship), though he was mortally wounded. His defenses are truly formidable.

Vaylin is the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy after Valkorion. More powerful than the Outlander and Arcann. And the Outlander has become the most powerful foe of Valkorion since chapter 12, stronger than Revan.

And Palpatine's superiority over Valkorion is suspect. Tell me something new. Not so sure the Outlander has surpassed Revan yet, despite the quote you're referring to. As Revan's feats are still obviously superior.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Not so sure the Outlander has surpassed Revan yet, despite the quote you're referring to. As Revan's feats are still obviously superior.
That information is new and significant. As for the feats, we have not witnessed the Outlander's capabilities in full. However, he was repelling Lightsaber blows and tanking Arcann's powers in Chapter 16.

I think that the Outlander surpassed Revan after the events of Chapter 12.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The quote doesn't mean anything given:

a.) Revan was never an enemy of Valkorion.

b.) Revan was already dead when the quote was made.

c.) "Powerful" doesn't seem to be referring to Force power, since Arcann is more powerful than C2 Outlander and is likewise an enemy of Valkorion.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That information is new and significant. As for the feats, we have not witnessed the Outlander's capabilities in full. However, he was repelling Lightsaber blows and tanking Arcann's powers in Chapter 16.

I think that the Outlander surpassed Revan after the events of Chapter 12. Read Urs' quote above this.

LMAO

That is an emotional response from DarthAnt66. It will take time for him to adjust to this new reality.

Revan was not a foe of Valkorion? WTF? Vitiate was already Valkorion during SWTOR.

In the context of that revelation, powerful refers to raw power and/or command of the Force of the character in question. The Outlander had no significant political standing at that point.

Wow damn, you totally countered the least significant of Ant's points.

Fact remains that Revan was dead when the quote was made, and Arcann>Outlander is so obvious it disproves the point you're trying to make.

I don't agree with Ant on a lot of shit, but this is hardly Ant desperately stretching and twisting facts to suit what he wants them to be... it's common ****ing sense.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Wow damn, you totally countered the least significant of Ant's points.

Fact remains that Revan was dead when the quote was made, and Arcann>Outlander is so obvious it disproves the point you're trying to make.

I don't agree with Ant on a lot of shit, but this is hardly Ant desperately stretching and twisting facts to suit what he wants them to be... it's common ****ing sense.


The Outlander > Arcann since chapter 12. Are you living in a remote area or something?

Revan's death doesn't makes any difference. The statement makes it clear that the Outlander is the most powerful opponent of Valkorion.

Legend, if Outlander more powerful than Revan based on a single quote, then why isn't Plagueis more powerful than Valkorion?

Originally posted by Azronger
Legend, if Outlander more powerful than Revan based on a single quote, then why isn't Plagueis more powerful than Valkorion?
Both cases are significantly different.

BioWare has absolute authority in deciding which of its characters is more powerful than the other. No other source can be more objective about it than BioWare itself.

This is a new revelation, component of a developing story. There is nothing to contradict it at the moment.

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As far as Darth Plagueis is concerned, that blurb is on the back cover of the novel. In other words, a viewpoint of Del Ray publishing group, which is a 'secondary source' for such information. The lore itself doesn't corroborates it anywhere.

Another factor is that Vitiate was growing in power and also deviating from Sith alignment with passage of time. Valkorion is his new identity and most powerful incarnation. The blurb doesn't covers Vitiate's story after the events of novel. In-fact, not even his earlier history properly because TOR Encyclopedia came out later.