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Sentry at his peak levels , with the added powers of Deadman .

Vs.

Doomsday , with the added powers of Quicksilver .


This clash takes place on Apokolips.

Doomsday is already faster than QS and QSs other abilities aren't doing much

Deadman Sentry wins

Yeah, Quicksilver adds little to nothing--DD is already fast enough to keep up with top-tiers. All Deadman adds is two-sided intangibility--his possession won't work on DD(not even once.)

IOW, this is basically standard Sentry vs. H/P Doomsday... Which I'm sure has been done in the past.

Originally posted by Galan007
All Deadman adds is two-sided intangibility--his possession won't work on DD(not even once.) I forgot to stipulate that I don't want people to use no limits fallacys for Doomsday. Just because he's adapted to most things thrown his way doesn't mean he can adapt to Deadman's possession of all things. That's ridiculous.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, Quicksilver adds little to nothing--DD is already fast enough to keep up with top-tiers. All Deadman adds is two-sided intangibility--his possession won't work on DD(not even once.)

IOW, this is basically standard Sentry vs. H/P Doomsday... Which I'm sure has been done in the past.

has he tried

Tbf this thread is quite ridiculous in it's own right.

Originally posted by Don Draper
I forgot to stipulate that I don't want people to use no limits fallacys for Doomsday. Just because he's adapted to most things thrown his way doesn't mean he can adapt to Deadman's possession of all things. That's ridiculous. *Fallacies

Anyway, it isn't a no-limits fallacy to say that Deadman cannot possess Doomsday. Why? Because he already tried to possess DoS Doomsday... And failed miserably:
http://i.imgur.com/gOWRJJim.jpg http://i.imgur.com/042CQMSm.jpg


Would you like to stick another foot in your mouth now?

Knights of the TOLD Republic

Originally posted by Galan007

Anyway, it isn't a no-limits fallacy to say that Deadman cannot possess Doomsday. Why? Because he already tried to possess DoS Doomsday... And failed miserably:

I disagree with such an approach in general, because it straight up ignores canon and context:

Just because Doomsday was immune against Deadman's powers in the past, doesn't mean, that he is immune against them by default.

Throughout the years characters evolve and some even devolve. Sometimes characters evolve to a point, where something that has worked on them in the past, does not work on them in the future, or vice versa.

Here are few examples, starting with Doomsday:

- Doomsday was immune to Deadman's powers, because at that point Doomsday was not really sentinent and Deadman's powers only work on sentient beings.
The same applies for H/P Doomsday. That Doomsday was still not sentient. But later on there were stories, where Doomsday became sentinent. By default Deadman's powers WOULD work on Doomsday, unless he found a way to evolve past that mid fight (although that's a different debate).

- Martian Manhunter was weak to fire and has been defeated by it in the past, yet he had evolved to a point, where it didn't bother him anymore.
Can you use fire as a viable strategy against him? No, of course not.

- Sentry is another character, who is also relevant due to this thread: Sentry has been affected by physical damage in the past, but then there came a point in canon, where he realized what his powers were and from that point on not even getting his head sliced off, or his brains blown off, could stop him.
So putting such a character up against another character, who is purely a brawler becomes more pointless, than it would have been in the past.

The same can be said for Doomsday and Deadman. In the past it was obvious, how it would go, but Doomsday went through some changes, which would give Deadman a shot at taking over.
(But even in that case, Doomsday is a very special case, since there were so many different versions of him and the question always becomes, if that version was sentient enough for Deadman's powers to work).

^ I thought you were a goner and never ever ever ever post on KMC after your last baby tantrum.

AND It says on the OP "HUNTER/PREY" Doomsday

Geez where is that high IQ of yours?

Originally posted by Enzeru

Originally posted by Enzeru
I disagree with such an approach in general, because it straight up ignores canon and context:

Just because Doomsday was immune against Deadman's powers in the past, doesn't mean, that he is immune against them by default. Laughable. I posted "canon." I posted "context." You're just ignoring the facts, in favor of trolling like you always do.

Again: Deadman tried to possess DoS Doomsday. He failed:
http://i.imgur.com/k0pUQCB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/iBXNg0h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0RDjsN2.jpg


The notion that he could try to possess H/P Doomsday(the version specified in this thread), and inextricably be successful, is idiotic... Retarded, even.


You're still terrible at this. Respond back with more of the same, and you will be reported for trolling.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

Geez where is that high IQ of yours?

Right now it does not serve me much, since I can't recall who you are, no matter how hard I try.

Originally posted by Galan007

Laughable. I posted "canon." I posted "context." You're just ignoring the facts, in favor of trolling like you always do.

You've just posted the same, wrong stuff again.

You're saying, that Deadman's powers don't work on Doomsday, because they didn't work on him during the DOS storyline.

I'm saying, that there is context to the story, which you're not even paying attention to. And that context is, that Deadman's powers only work on sentient beings.
DOS Doomsday was not sentient. Later on he became, which is where an interesting moment occured, where Superman took care of Doomsday far easier than ever before and told him that he had changed and now felt fear and shit.

So you're try to make points about characters by using 20 year old versions, even though 10 years later something happened, that changed the older version of the character.

Come on now, it's not that complicated, even for you :-7

But H/P Doomsday is not sentient, as you yourself asserted...

Originally posted by Enzeru
You've just posted the same, wrong stuff again.

You're saying, that Deadman's powers don't work on Doomsday, because they didn't work on him during the DOS storyline.

I'm saying, that there is context to the story, which you're not even paying attention to. And that context is, that Deadman's powers only work on sentient beings.
DOS Doomsday was not sentient. Later on he became, which is where an interesting moment occured, where Superman took care of Doomsday far easier than ever before and told him that he had changed and now felt fear and shit.

So you're try to make points about characters by using 20 year old versions, even though 10 years later something happened, that changed the older version of the character.

Come on now, it's not that complicated, even for you :-7 Look at this train-wreck of a post, lol.

I don't care about random versions of Doomsday who aren't in this thread. HUNTER/PREY Doomsday is the specific version listed in the OP, so THAT is the specific version I am referring to, obviously.

And you yourself stated that H/P Doomsday is not sentient, and therefore not controllable by Deadman:
Originally posted by Enzeru
Doomsday was immune to Deadman's powers, because at that point Doomsday was not really sentinent and Deadman's powers only work on sentient beings.
The same applies for H/P Doomsday. That Doomsday was still not sentient.

...So you have already defeated your own argument. At this point, you're just arguing with yourself.


You are terrible at this.

Originally posted by Galan007

You are terrible at this.

I'm not calling you out on the version on the Doomsday version. I'm calling you out on trying to be a smart-ass about no limits fallacy:
No matter which Doomsday version, you would have used that DOS instance scan to prove your point, while ignoring context.

How I know that? Well, for one you gracefully edited your prior post, after you realized that I was talking about the same in my earlier posts and after another user mentioned it as well.
And then you have also a funny track record of twisting context to your needs, trollololo.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I'm not calling you out on the version on the Doomsday version. I'm calling you out on trying to be a smart-ass about no limits fallacy:
No matter which Doomsday version, you would have used that DOS instance scan to prove your point, while ignoring context. Ah, so now you're telling me what kinds of arguments I would have made in your theoretical e-verse, eh? Lol, trolls be trolls.

It was wise of you not to keep cramming your foot down your throat, though. You dug yourself into a hole, realized it, and then tried to red-herring your way out via faux-intellectual insults and whatnot.

You're terrible at this.

Originally posted by Galan007

It was wise of you not to keep cramming your foot down your throat, though. You dug yourself into a hole, realized it, and then tried to red-herring your way out via pseudo-insults and whatnot.

Not really. What stands written in my last post, also stands written in my first post. It's all about you using an out of context approach to make garbage arguments.

We've danced this dance before in other Sentry threads, where I gave you a PTSD and prohibit you to enter any more Sentry threads. So get the hell out of here.

So....Deadman can't control non-sentient beings?

HP Doomsday is non-sentient?

We can all agree, yes?

Originally posted by Enzeru
Not really. What stands written in my last post, also stands written in my first post. It's all about you using an out of context approach to make garbage arguments.

We've danced this dance before in other Sentry threads, where I gave you a PTSD and prohibit you to enter any more Sentry threads. So get the hell out of here.

We're done here. You were glaringly wrong, you realized it, that pissed you off, so you started lashing out... That's your thing... It's all you really do.

Anywho, I don't need to partake in a discussion with you any further. You may have the last word that you so desperately crave. Indulging in childish bashing isn't my thing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....Deadman can't control non-sentient beings?

HP Doomsday is non-sentient?

We can all agree, yes? Yes. Enzeru agreed with it in his very first post.

I also agree.

I agree with Galan here on Deadman possession of Doomsday. Doesn't matter since Sentry still wins this anyways.

Originally posted by Galan007
*Fallacies

Anyway, it isn't a no-limits fallacy to say that Deadman cannot possess Doomsday. Why? Because he already tried to possess DoS Doomsday... And failed miserably:
http://i.imgur.com/gOWRJJim.jpg http://i.imgur.com/042CQMSm.jpg


Would you like to stick another foot in your mouth now?

So harsh.

Doomsday's reaction time is already uber, but I think adding QS' speed could be devastating. Imagine him hitting as hard as he could while going at "outpacing radio waves" or "around the world in 1 1/2 minute speed".

Originally posted by Enzeru
Right now it does not serve me much, since I can't recall who you are, no matter how hard I try.

I reckon I might not be as memorable as you throwing a childish tantrum online

But I was a target on one of your many e-rage posts, here to refresh your memory:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=600799



In any case, my dear Westboro baptist church loony, I didn't want you to use your IQ to remember me, but to understand the OP which says Hunter/Prey Doomsday. If you can't understand that simple idea it will be harder to explain why feats from DOS and before DOS are applicable to HP Doomsday.

Originally posted by KingD19
Doomsday's reaction time is already uber, but I think adding QS' speed could be devastating. Imagine him hitting as hard as he could while going at "outpacing radio waves" or "around the world in 1 1/2 minute speed".

Not really, DD has already reacted to the Flash, adding Quicksilver is not really a boost.

Doomsday isn't close to being as fast as Flash. That's ridiculous.

Yeah, Doomsday cannot run as fast as Flash or w/e, but he is definitely fast enough to perceive, and react to him in a battle(as we saw during Doomsday Wars.)

Furthermore, Jurgens reiterated Doomsday's immense speed multiple times during his very first appearance(s)--it certainly isn't some new concept:
Originally posted by Galan007
DoS Doomsday was also quite fast...

-Guy Gardner-
"So fast. Didn't even see him move!":
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_speed1.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_speed2.jpg

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-Booster Gold-
"He's faster than Flash!":
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_speed3.jpg

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-Superman-
"This creature's fast and strong...":
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_speed4.jpg

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-Maxima-
"How could he move so fast?":
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_speed5.jpg


And of course, there's Superman himself outright stating that he had to speed up just to match DD's speed:
http://i.imgur.com/QZ1Dka7.png

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That said, we know H/P DD was significantly faster than his DoS counterpart, given that he slapped around a Motherbox-amped Superman effortlessly... And if you didn't already know, MB amped ALL of Superman's natural abilities:
http://i.imgur.com/jsqBI7O.png

...Which would obviously include speed.