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If Spiderman is a 100 in speed what are the people below?

Batman
Black Panther
Wolverine
Deathstroke
DCNU Aquaman
Daredevil
Gambit
Thor
Darkseid

Lol, this potentially can start yet another flame war.

Without his Spidey sense, Spiderman is as fast as a normal human (AKA, the Spot).

If Puny Parker is 100 in speed, then all characters carver listed are over 9000.

Deathstroke is the closest imo.
Wolverine
Black Panther
dcnu Aquaman
Gambit
Daredevil

I won't rank thor and darkseid. I think they potentially surpass all other opponents in every category.

Reactions, not travel speed, yeah?

Reflexes/Reactions. Let's not use the who fought who debating style here.

Originally posted by carver9
If Spiderman is a 100 in speed what are the people below?

Batman
Black Panther
Wolverine
Deathstroke
DCNU Aquaman
Daredevil
Gambit
Thor
Darkseid
What type of speed? There are many types.

We have hand and arm movement speed, reaction speed (seeing things in motion at a relative speed), leg speed, torso speed, burst speed (short distance traveling), and traveling speed (long distance traveling ).

As far as reaction speed (the ability to see things at a slower speed ).

Batman 50
Black Panther 40
Wolverine 40
Deathstroke 50
DCNU Aquaman 30
Daredevil 55
Gambit 40
Thor 100
Darkseid 100

Batman 300
Black Panther 299,99
Wolverine 301
Deathstroke 301,01
DCNU Aquaman 99,93
Daredevil 206,72
Gambit 101,98
Thor 97,79
Darkseid 9001,11

Originally posted by h1a8
What type of speed? There are many types.

We have hand and arm movement speed, reaction speed (seeing things in motion at a relative speed), leg speed, torso speed, burst speed (short distance traveling), and traveling speed (long distance traveling ).

As far as reaction speed (the ability to see things at a slower speed ).

Batman 50
Black Panther 40
Wolverine 40
Deathstroke 50
DCNU Aquaman 30
Daredevil 55
Gambit 40
Thor 100
Darkseid 100
LMAO

Originally posted by h1a8
torso speed

Too many nights spent in the gay gogo clubs, h1?

Originally posted by h1a8
What type of speed? There are many types.

We have hand and arm movement speed, reaction speed (seeing things in motion at a relative speed), leg speed, torso speed, burst speed (short distance traveling), and traveling speed (long distance traveling ).

As far as reaction speed (the ability to see things at a slower speed ).

Batman 50
Black Panther 40
Wolverine 40
Deathstroke 50
DCNU Aquaman 30
Daredevil 55
Gambit 40
Thor 100
Darkseid 100

So irritating.

What's 'torso speed' when it's at home? H1, Can you post an example of someone showing outstanding torso speed?

Thor is slower than Spidey. That's all.

Originally posted by h1a8
What type of speed? There are many types.

We have hand and arm movement speed, reaction speed (seeing things in motion at a relative speed), leg speed, torso speed, burst speed (short distance traveling), and traveling speed (long distance traveling ).

As far as reaction speed (the ability to see things at a slower speed ).

Batman 50
Black Panther 40
Wolverine 40
Deathstroke 50
DCNU Aquaman 30
Daredevil 55
Gambit 40
Thor 100
Darkseid 100 Aquaman is amazingly fast, DT commented on how much faster than him he's, I would put AQM at least around 75 if not higher.

Originally posted by shadowknight
Aquaman is amazingly fast, DT commented on how much faster than him he's, I would put AQM at least around 75 if not higher. You probably right. I haven't read much of him. I know he can swim fast as hell.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Too many nights spent in the gay gogo clubs, h1? speaking of which I just noticed I haven't seen Golgo13 in a while.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
speaking of which I just noticed I haven't seen Golgo13 in a while.

Golgo changed his name to Zack M.

That SoB, and I wasn't told

Originally posted by carver9
If Spiderman is a 100 in speed what are the people below?

Batman
Black Panther
Wolverine
Deathstroke
DCNU Aquaman
Daredevil
Gambit
Thor
Darkseid

Batman - 80
Black Panther - 85
Wolverine - 85
Deathstroke - 85
Aquaman - Who knows,,,he's a major superhuman
Daredevil - 85
Gambit - 75
Thor - same as Aquaman
Darkseid - same as Aquaman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Without his Spidey sense, Spiderman is as fast as a normal human (AKA, the Spot).






LOL. No, he's much faster even without it. Put the pipe down.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Batman 300
Black Panther 299,99
Wolverine 301
Deathstroke 301,01
DCNU Aquaman 99,93
Daredevil 206,72
Gambit 101,98
Thor 97,79
Darkseid 9001,11




LMAO.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor is slower than Spidey. That's all.







Every single person on that list with the possible exception of Darkseid is slower than Spider-Man. You're obviously trolling.

Agility is portrayed differently in comics than movement speed and traveling speed. Agile characters just have an uncanny way of evading damage. They are fast, but not all agile characters are going to be seen outpacing a sports car. Comic book logic defies reason and often turns to bite it's own ass. You would think that a guy that can lift in excess of 20 tons while weighing 180lbs would be able to run at break neck speeds, but sadly this isn't how things are portrayed all of the time.

Originally posted by Stoic
Agility is portrayed differently in comics than movement speed and traveling speed. Agile characters just have an uncanny way of evading damage. They are fast, but not all agile characters are going to be seen outpacing a sports car. Comic book logic defies reason and often turns to bite it's own ass. You would think that a guy that can lift in excess of 20 tons while weighing 180lbs would be able to run at break neck speeds, but sadly this isn't how things are portrayed all of the time. For example, a 180lb person can jump 4 feet into the air, but a 235lb person with more than 50% more leg strength jumps less high. Why? Because the 180lb person has quicker twitch fibers.

Another example is a bodybuilder than is 4 times stronger than a phenom teenage pitcher. But the pitcher can throw 95mph and the bodybuilder only 55mph.

An escalator moves with a certain speed but has a great force on it. Try to stop the escalator with all your might. You cant. Yet you can move significantly faster.

Assuming that by speed you mean agility and reflexes:

Batman ~ 5
Black Panther ~ 5
Wolverine ~ 5
Deathstroke ~ 25
DCNU Aquaman ~ 50
Daredevil ~ 5
Gambit ~ 5
Thor ~ 50
Darkseid ~ 50

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. No, he's much faster even without it. Put the pipe down.

By pipe, do you mean canon comics?

Darkseid is the slowest one.

Originally posted by Astner
Assuming that by speed you mean agility and reflexes:

Batman ~ 5
Black Panther ~ 5
Wolverine ~ 5
Deathstroke ~ 25
DCNU Aquaman ~ 50
Daredevil ~ 5
Gambit ~ 5
Thor ~ 50
Darkseid ~ 50

Wow, the worst list ever.

LMAO. A character that has tagged Superman on many occasions is slow? Riiiight.



No one else on that list (besides Darkseid) could lay a finger on Clark if he didn't want them to.

If Darkseid was so fast, how come Batman managed to shot him with a Radion bullet?

Because he was in the rotting husk of Dick Turpin?

Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. A character that has tagged Superman on many occasions is slow? Riiiight.



No one else on that list (besides Darkseid) could lay a finger on Clark if he didn't want them to.

Of course he is. Superman has never been known for the actual combat speed, few obscure feats don't change that. He's not the type that dodges attacks, anyway.

Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. A character that has tagged Superman on many occasions is slow? Riiiight.



No one else on that list (besides Darkseid) could lay a finger on Clark if he didn't want them to.

Grundy has tagged Superman.

Originally posted by Astner
If Darkseid was so fast, how come Batman managed to shot him with a Radion bullet?
Because it was a host body incapable of moving and dying?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was a host body incapable of moving and dying?

Not the only time Bats tagged Seid.

Why would Darkseid feel it was necessary to dodge the blows of a human in a Halloween costume who has no superstrength at all? We're talking about a being who stood still and let friggin' Lobo of all people, a character who is MUCH stronger and more durable than Batman, pound on him repeatedly. Darkseid didn't even flinch while Lobo hurt his hands badly. And yet, we're supposed to believe that Batman can kick Darkseid and somehow make him bleed without suffering any injuries to his foot himself? Yeah, sure...that makes perfect sense.




Lobo>>>>>Batman


...and I don't wanna hear any bullshit about "pressure points". LMAO.

Originally posted by Star428
Why would Darkseid feel it was necessary to dodge the blows of a human in a Halloween costume who has no superstrength at all?

Because he bled like a virgin after one kick?

Originally posted by Star428
Lobo>>>>>Batman

Bruce has actually put Lobo in his place with a slap

What speed fts does Darkseid have because tagging fast opponents isn't good enough. Wolverine tagged Gladiator. Grundy tagged Flash. Spiderman tagged Surfer.

Wolverine tagged Glads, Nefaria, Speed Demon and many others.

Ultimate Wolverine tagged Ult. Quicksilver.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman tagged Surfer.

Even Daredevil did, in more than one book.

I would say being able to react to and hit a character like Superman when he's using his speed on numerous occasions is far above any speed feat of those characters listed in OP have ever accomplished.

Scans of Darkseid doing this.

Never. It's a typical superman myth, wanking his villains and all that.

Wonder why he didn't react to this.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/33308/1019876-supermanomegabeams.jpg

Since when does Darkseid have super speed? Please don't say merely because he has fought beings with super speed. Otherwise hot damn Toyman and Prankster might as well just be speed force users.

Also Thor when it comes to reaction and movement speed..or anything that isn't space flight..really isn't that massively faster then Spidey. A lot quicker then a human of course.

He doesn't have "super speed" per se but he has succesfully reacted to super speedsters on numerous occasions. Oh, and posting a single fight of Superman against Darkseid where Clark outmaneuvered and outraced the Omega Beams does not in any way negate the fact that Darkseid himself has been able to react to Superman on many occasions. Something that no one else listed in OP can do reliably except for perhaps Spider-Man because of his spider-sense coupled with his speed and agility.

Scans of this reaction to Superman.

Originally posted by Star428
He doesn't have "super speed" per se but he has succesfully reacted to super speedsters on numerous occasions.

As has Batman

Spiderman has done more than react to beings that has FTL showings. He outright blitz them.

https://longboxgraveyard.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/firelord-01.png

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman has done more than react to beings that has FTL showings. He outright blitz them.

https://longboxgraveyard.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/firelord-01.png being able to travel ftl speeds doesn't say much about one's reactions. For example, a human can travel at 14times the speed of light (ftl) and have the reactions to avoid any asteroid or heavenly body in space. This is because space is huge and it takes light significant time just to get from one place to another.

That's why linear traveling speed doesn't equate to the same in reflexes.
To have light speed combat reflexes, one must be able to react and respond in time to a lightspeed attack from less than 5ft away (punching distance).

Finally, being able to travel ftl in space doesn't mean you can in a battle. Why? Because battle distance is 0.5km. It takes both time and distance to accelerate to light speeds and beyond. For example, A herald might reach light speed after the first 1000km of travel. So top speed isn't speed of fighting. It's about how quickly one can get to a certain speed. Flash can reach insane speeds within a nanosecond. He doesn't have to wait too long to build up great speeds. It's all about acceleration, not velocity.

Originally posted by Surtur
Since when does Darkseid have super speed? Please don't say merely because he has fought beings with super speed. Otherwise hot damn Toyman and Prankster might as well just be speed force users.



And this is coming from a Superman fan. Wow, I'm impressed. Keep it up.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also Thor when it comes to reaction and movement speed..or anything that isn't space flight..really isn't that massively faster then Spidey. A lot quicker then a human of course.

Thor has a few good feats, like the microseconds reaction, super-speed running or digging a tunnel faster than the eyes could see, but in general he's proven to be slower by the likes of Daredevil or Cap...

We know Wolverine is faster than him, as stated by Thor himself and in the interview by the writer, Frank Tieri.

I would say that we need feats showing Darkseid actually reacting to a character actually traveling at or near their top speed or Darkseid reacting to super fast objects such as light speed energy beams of the non fluffy type

or finally, Darkseid moving fast where characters with known fast reflexes are complaining (not surprised) of their speed.

Otherwise, we can't prove that he has superspeed since characters are often written without their top reflexes and speed for the sake of the plot.

Originally posted by h1a8
being able to travel ftl speeds doesn't say much about one's reactions. For example, a human can travel at 14times the speed of light (ftl) and have the reactions to avoid any asteroid or heavenly body in space. This is because space is huge and it takes light significant time just to get from one place to another.

That's why linear traveling speed doesn't equate to the same in reflexes.
To have light speed combat reflexes, one must be able to react and respond in time to a lightspeed attack from less than 5ft away (punching distance).

Finally, being able to travel ftl in space doesn't mean you can in a battle. Why? Because battle distance is 0.5km. It takes both time and distance to accelerate to light speeds and beyond. For example, A herald might reach light speed after the first 1000km of travel. So top speed isn't speed of fighting. It's about how quickly one can get to a certain speed. Flash can reach insane speeds within a nanosecond. He doesn't have to wait too long to build up great speeds. It's all about acceleration, not velocity.

Using this logic, the only being that can combat at light speed is Flash.

Originally posted by h1a8
I would say that we need feats showing Darkseid actually reacting to a character actually traveling at or near their top speed or Darkseid reacting to super fast objects such as light speed energy beams of the non fluffy type

or finally, Darkseid moving fast where characters with known fast reflexes are complaining (not surprised) of their speed.

Otherwise, we can't prove that he has superspeed since characters are often written without their top reflexes and speed for the sake of the plot.

The only DS speed feat I can think of is when he surprised the Flash... but it was a literal surprise, less impressive than the stuff a low meta like Deathstroke does on a regular basis.

Originally posted by carver9
Using this logic, the only being that can combat at light speed is Flash. Actually Surfer and Superman can

Not really.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually Surfer and Superman can

Please show me these light speed reflex scans.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Never. It's a typical superman myth, wanking his villains and all that.
There is an entire issue long fight where both Orion and Darkseid fight at superspeed.

http://imgur.com/a/Bq3yg

It's a pretty cool fight.

He also has obligatory "microsecond left to act" feat.

http://i.imgur.com/TsgWdgr.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really.
You sure?

About Surfer? No doubt. Surfing circles around an opponent is pretty much as much of a non-feat as Thor twisting his hammer (yes, it was intended to sound wrong).

About Supes? He probably does have a few outliers, but fighting at FTL speeds is definitely not his thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is an entire issue long fight where both Orion and Darkseid fight at superspeed.

http://imgur.com/a/Bq3yg

It's a pretty cool fight.

He also has obligatory "microsecond left to act" feat.

http://i.imgur.com/TsgWdgr.jpg

How fast was Orion and Darkseid going there? Wolverine and Sabertooth has fought so fast that telepathy couldn't keep up.

Thor has a microsecond speed ft as well and do you remember what you said about him?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
About Surfer? No doubt. Surfing circles around an opponent is pretty much as much of a non-feat as Thor twisting his hammer (yes, it was intended to sound wrong).

About Supes? He probably does have a few outliers, but fighting at FTL speeds is definitely not his thing.
Surfer doesn't have that level of superspeed. You're right on that.

Superman has more superspeed fights than anyone who isn't a flash. He has actually made lightspeed characters look like statue. Just for example, here he blitzes a ship going explicitly faster than light and stops it by destroying it's engines.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/extrasaturatedlightspeed1.jpg

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/extrasaturatedlightspeed2.jpg

That's just a random scan I pulled up. I can post dozens of such scans.

And Flash doesn't fights FTL most of the times also. Originally posted by carver9
How fast was Orion and Darkseid going there? Wolverine and Sabertooth has fought so fast that telepathy couldn't keep up.

Thor has a microsecond speed ft as well and do you remember what you said about him?
They were fighting with speed lines, so by your logic above lightspeed.

Thor doesn't fights at superspeed like Darkseid and Orion did.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine and Sabertooth has fought so fast that telepathy couldn't keep up.

When was this? Because that sounds like utterly stupid writing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer doesn't have that level of superspeed. You're right on that.

Superman has more superspeed fights than anyone who isn't a flash. He has actually made lightspeed characters look like statue. Just for example, here he blitzes a ship going explicitly faster than light and stops it by destroying it's engines.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/extrasaturatedlightspeed1.jpg

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/extrasaturatedlightspeed2.jpg

That's just a random scan I pulled up. I can post dozens of such scans.

And Flash doesn't fights FTL most of the times also.
They were fighting with speed lines, so by your logic above lightspeed.

Thor doesn't fights at superspeed like Darkseid and Orion did.


Your scan was not what we asked for.

So you don't have anything on how fast Orion and Darkseid was fighting there? Spiderman sees bullets in slow motion while the world is frozen around him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
When was this? Because that sounds like utterly stupid writing.

Thats psylock that's talking.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Fights/UncannyX-Men21310vsSabretooth.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Thats psylock that's talking.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Fights/UncannyX-Men21310vsSabretooth.jpg "Almost" means she could keep up.

Also, it's talking about her ability to personally follow what's happening, not, like, 'faster than the speed of telepathy!'

Please get back on topic, everyone. Last warning.

How fast is Darkseid's torso?

Originally posted by Smurph
"Almost" means she could keep up.

Also, it's talking about her ability to personally follow what's happening, not, like, 'faster than the speed of telepathy!'

Beat me to it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Please get back on topic, everyone. Last warning.

How fast is Darkseid's torso?

Shut your hole.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Please get back on topic, everyone. Last warning.

How fast is Darkseid's torso?



H1 is just incredible sometimes

Originally posted by Smurph
"Almost" means she could keep up.

Also, it's talking about her ability to personally follow what's happening, not, like, 'faster than the speed of telepathy!'

She did but almost means that she almost couldn't perceive them.

Personally follow what happened? Disagree because why bring up her mind when it would be her eyes trying to follow them if it was personal?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We know Wolverine is faster than him, as stated by Thor himself and in the interview by the writer, Frank Tieri.

This is all kinds of puzzling to me that Wolverine is faster then Thor. I have never even heard of Wolverine doing things like digging the tunnels at super speed or anything like that. Thor casually reacted to bullets before.

Thus it would mean Wolverine is pretty comfortably above bullet timing. Maybe Thor just felt super bad for Wolverine being so weak and decided to humor him?

Originally posted by carver9
She did but almost means that she almost couldn't perceive them.

Personally follow what happened? Disagree because why bring up her mind when it would be her eyes trying to follow them if it was personal?

That just makes it stupid writing, if we go by your definition. Which is wrong, but still.

Originally posted by Surtur
This is all kinds of puzzling to me that Wolverine is faster then Thor. I have never even heard of Wolverine doing things like digging the tunnels at super speed or anything like that. Thor casually reacted to bullets before.

Thus it would mean Wolverine is pretty comfortably above bullet timing. Maybe Thor just felt super bad for Wolverine being so weak and decided to humor him?
Comics.

Writers have no choice, but to play up speed for characters trying to go against others who are so far beyond their weight class. Makes the story more interesting.

Bear in mind, Wolvy was always meant to be a Hulk foe...

Originally posted by carver9
Please show me these light speed reflex scans. I posted you a scan where Superman analyzes a beam of light within picoseconds in another thread a while back (the actual picoseconds where shown in the scan). Surfer chased BRB at ftl speeds and reacted to light speed movement when BRB tried to shake Surfer off him.

Originally posted by h1a8
I posted you a scan where Superman analyzes a beam of light within picoseconds in another thread a while back (the actual picoseconds where shown in the scan). Surfer chased BRB at ftl speeds and reacted to light speed movement when BRB tried to shake Surfer off him.

Scans please.

Originally posted by Surtur
This is all kinds of puzzling to me that Wolverine is faster then Thor. I have never even heard of Wolverine doing things like digging the tunnels at super speed or anything like that. Thor casually reacted to bullets before.

Thus it would mean Wolverine is pretty comfortably above bullet timing. Maybe Thor just felt super bad for Wolverine being so weak and decided to humor him?

But he has done things like slicing himself a steel slab out of Danger Room's wall and saving Nightcrawler, during the time NC was falling to his death... moving "faster than the eyes can see" is a part of his powerset.

Reacting to bullets, even after they've been fired, is nothing new for Wolverine.

Thor has had a rough time keeping up with streets. He has superb travelling speed, but not much more than that.

Originally posted by carver9
Your scan was not what we asked for.

So you don't have anything on how fast Orion and Darkseid was fighting there? Spiderman sees bullets in slow motion while the world is frozen around him.
Of course you didn't.

Does it really matter? Darkseid has moved so fast that Byrne Superman couldn't see him at all.



Post a wolverine showing that can match to that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid has moved so fast that Byrne Superman couldn't see him at all.

Wait, what?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Thor has had a rough time keeping up with streets. He has superb travelling speed, but not much more than that.
They just like to write him down to their level.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wait, what?
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanvol2003p08.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
They just like to write him down to their level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanvol2003p08.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/K2NVFTb.gif

Ah, that... good example. How fast was Superman nerfed by Byrne, btw?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
They just like to write him down to their level.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/12397/1491109-1351884_batlaugh_super.png

And here I thought more people were going to disagree with my list.

Primarily combat showings we are discussing here. Good showing for Darkseid there. That's when he was written right.

I can only find this...

http://i.imgur.com/TsgWdgr.jpg

Edit: I'm slow.

What did Darkseid do there?

He had a microsecond to react, so had a long, drawn out Darkseid-style thought process, then flicked a switch.

Alternatively, it could just be a trope:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingIsAFreeAction

So all he did was react, then flip a switch in a microsecond.

Originally posted by carver9
What did Darkseid do there?

Defecated in a microsecond or something.

Don't like that ft.

Well, nobody likes shit.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't like that ft.

What bearing does it have on anything?

Oooooh yes, this was for my Mid-Herald tourney

Darkseid outreacting Firestorm, and ripping Stein out of him:
http://i.imgur.com/deD46hJ.jpg

How fast is Firestorm?
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/fs120.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oooooh yes, this was for my Mid-Herald tourney

Darkseid outreacting Firestorm, and ripping Stein out of him:
http://i.imgur.com/deD46hJ.jpg

How fast is Firestorm?
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/fs120.jpg

Not comparable to what Spiderman has done.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What bearing does it have on anything?

The ft sucks.

Originally posted by carver9
The ft sucks.

Spidery outreacts bullets.

Darkseid outreacts the ALE.

Hmmm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Spidery outreacts bullets.

Darkseid outreacts the ALE.

Hmmm.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112612/3199077-6733435134-197874.jpeg

So Gobby blasts are comparable to the ALE now?

How fast is the Ale? Microseconds fast?

Originally posted by carver9
Scans please.

Superman measuring a beam's distance vs. its Time (in Picoseconds) and calculates the beam moving at exactly at light speed.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3783237


Surfer reacting to ftl speeds when BRB tries to shake him. Notice how Surfer still stays close at all times.
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/h1a8/Mobile%20Uploads/brb_surfer1.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112612/3199077-6733435134-197874.jpeg Spiderman uses precog to get out of the way before the shots are fired. This is how he dodges lasers. He's not as fast as light. He cheats. So you can't compare him to anyone here.

Originally posted by carver9
How fast is the Ale? Microseconds fast?

Doesn't matter.

If a car is microseconds away from hitting you, it does not matter how fast it was going - all you need to know is that it was microseconds away.

When Spiderman CAN'T use his Spidey sense...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/931421-spot5.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What bearing does it have on anything?

Carver doesn't like it, so it didn't happen.

Original Super Senior Member has spoken, so you better shut up and kneel before Carvod.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spiderman uses precog to get out of the way before the shots are fired. This is how he dodges lasers. He's not as fast as light. He cheats. So you can't compare him to anyone here.

Spiderman Precog is a fraction of light speed. Stop talking about things you know NOTHING about (comics).

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman measuring a beam's distance vs. its Time (in Picoseconds) and calculates the beam moving at exactly at light speed.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3783237


Surfer reacting to ftl speeds when BRB tries to shake him. Notice how Surfer still stays close at all times.
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/h1a8/Mobile%20Uploads/brb_surfer1.jpg

Both scans are irrelevant. What else do you have?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't matter.

If a car is microseconds away from hitting you, it does not matter how fast it was going - all you need to know is that it was microseconds away.

When Spiderman CAN'T use his Spidey sense...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/931421-spot5.jpg

Never said Spiderman can't get tagged. The best of them does. What's the point of your scan? Are you saying Darkseid is unhittable?

I'm saying, what are Spiderman's feats without the Spider sense? All your scans are irrelevant, as he is warned about danger.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm saying, what are Spiderman's feats without the Spider sense? All your scans are irrelevant, as he is warned about danger.

It still takes his Spider speed and reflexes to avoid said attack. Example. If I had Spiderman Spider sense, even with the warning I would still get hit by the attacks he avoids. Sorry but that is part of the Spiderman package.

Originally posted by carver9
It still takes his Spider speed and reflexes to avoid said attack. Example. If I had Spiderman Spider sense, even with the warning I would still get hit by the attacks he avoids. Sorry but that is part of the Spiderman package.

Then no offence, you're kinda dumb.



Nevertheless, like you say - it is part of the package. How much of it is the SS, how much is the speed?

This thread is focussing only on speed. So surely, you must know, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then no offence, you're kinda dumb.



Nevertheless, like you say - it is part of the package. How much of it is the SS, how much is the speed?

This thread is focussing only on speed. So surely, you must know, right?

Lol... so you're saying even though I have a spider sense warning me, I can dodge bullets?

No, carver. I'm saying when the time comes....you won't have to.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, carver. I'm saying when the time comes....you won't have to.

Is Darkseid this fast? Yes or no?

http://s715.photobucket.com/user/ankur2113/media/Herc_7_TheGroup_016.jpg.html

It's not like there aren't lots of arcs without the spider sense though.

Spider Island comes to mind.

Is Herc in this thread?

After all, from POINT BLANK range, Mortal Herc was able to out react an energy bolt from Zeus, a Skyfather:

http://postimg.org/image/strkzif2r/
http://postimg.org/image/nkrynw79v/

Edit: also, what Smurph said.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is Herc in this thread?

After all, from POINT BLANK range, Mortal Herc was able to out react an energy bolt from Zeus, a Skyfather:

http://postimg.org/image/strkzif2r/
http://postimg.org/image/nkrynw79v/

Edit: also, what Smurph said.

Herc had Spiderman power "only" during that showing. It was Spiderman abilities he was amazed at.

Originally posted by carver9
Herc had Spiderman power "only" during that showing. It was Spiderman abilities he was amazed at.

During MY showing, he didn't even have Spidey's power.

Ergo, he should be even slower than in yours. But he wasn't. Zeus was literally centimeters away from him, and he still managed to get his shield up.

Herc being amazed/surprised at anything isn't exactly that impressive. But if you want to use Herc as an example, by all means. I have more showings of Herc's impressive speed WHEN he was mortal.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
During MY showing, he didn't even have Spidey's power.

Ergo, he should be even slower than in yours. But he wasn't. Zeus was literally centimeters away from him, and he still managed to get his shield up.

Herc being amazed/surprised at anything isn't exactly that impressive. But if you want to use Herc as an example, by all means. I have more showings of Herc's impressive speed WHEN he was mortal.

The scan you posted was impressive imo but anyways, that was Spiderman powers he used to perform said ft.

Originally posted by carver9
The scan you posted was impressive imo but anyways, that was Spiderman powers he used to perform said ft.

With Zeus?

Nope.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With Zeus?

Nope.

I meant to say WASN'T impressive.

Not with Zeus, with the bullets.

Ahh I see, are bullets frozen in midair your new crush? Moved on from speed lines, have we?

In any case, have you got scans of SPIDERMAN not using Spider sense, as per my question?

Your scan of Herc is irrelevant for two reason:

1. Its not Spidey
2. Herc actually mentions its the Spider sense that's helping him. The art also shows the Spidey sense going off.

As this thread is about speed, I'm not quite sure why you posted that scan.

What scan did I post that has anything to do with Spiderman Spider sense?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138276/3512900-8536996260-feat1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/110794/2082041-1837933_spiderman_vs_absorbing_man_super.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
What scan did I post that has anything to do with Spiderman Spider sense?



REALLY?

Originally posted by carver9
Is Darkseid this fast? Yes or no?

http://s715.photobucket.com/user/ankur2113/media/Herc_7_TheGroup_016.jpg.html

Tingling in the back of my skull...the lines coming off his head...that doesn't say Spidey sense to you?

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman Precog is a fraction of light speed. Stop talking about things you know NOTHING about (comics). Why are you equating time to speed? The spidey sense is warns Pete BEFORE the trigger is even pulled. This is not reacting AFTER the beam is already in the air. But reacting BEFORE. Thus you can't compare Spidey to anyone because he has infinite fast reflexes (precog ).

@ Carver once again using bullet timings as a measure of speed against Herald level speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why are you equating time to speed? The spidey sense is warns Pete BEFORE the trigger is even pulled. This is not reacting AFTER the beam is already in the air. But reacting BEFORE.
Not always.

Sometimes his spider-sense is too slow. Without his super fast reflexes he would have been dead a long time ago, spider sense or no spider sense.

The speed of Spider-Man is the result of the combination of his inhumanly fast reflexes and spider sense.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
REALLY?



Tingling in the back of my skull...the lines coming off his head...that doesn't say Spidey sense to you?

I'm talking about any other scans before that.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why are you equating time to speed? The spidey sense is warns Pete BEFORE the trigger is even pulled. This is not reacting AFTER the beam is already in the air. But reacting BEFORE. Thus you can't compare Spidey to anyone because he has infinite fast reflexes (precog ).

So no one can move out of the way or react faster than Spiderman? No one in this thread.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Not always.

Sometimes his spider-sense is too slow. Without his super fast reflexes he would have been dead a long time ago, spider sense or no spider sense.

The speed of Spider-Man is the result of the combination of his inhumanly fast reflexes and spider sense. of course. Buts that due to plot which leads to comic inconsistency. There have been times where Spidey didn't display any spidey sense or super speed because the of the plot demand. All characters powers are sometimes written off (or down) to benefit the story plot. That's why we have the Full Capacity Rule.

Anyway, his SS not only warns him before the incident but it at least doubles his reflexes (slowing down time even further). So the SS (without the precog part) can amp his reflexes up to 40 times faster than a human's. Basically divide any speed by 40 and that's how he actually sees the speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
of course. Buts that due to plot which leads to comic inconsistency. There have been times where Spidey didn't display any spidey sense or super speed because the of the plot demand. All characters powers are sometimes written off (or down) to benefit the story plot. That's why we have the Full Capacity Rule.

Anyway, his SS not only warns him before the incident but it at least doubles his reflexes (slowing down time even further). So the SS (without the precog part) can amp his reflexes up to 40 times faster than a human's. Basically divide any speed by 40 and that's how he actually sees the speed.

Scans proving this. Please make sure it's relevant because you posted irrelevant scans on the previous page that had nothing to do with my question.

Originally posted by carver9
So no one can move out of the way or react faster than Spiderman? No one in this thread. there are plenty of people that can move faster than Spidey, but he BEGINS his reactionary movement BEFORE THEM. This gives him a head start. Obviously some will still beat him in movement speed, but he will start the movement before them. Reaction speed is the time duration between something first happening and the start of ones response to it.

Originally posted by h1a8
there are plenty of people that can move faster than Spidey, but he BEGINS his reactionary movement BEFORE THEM. This gives him a head start. Obviously some will still beat him in movement speed, but he will start the movement before them. Reaction speed is the time duration between something first happening and the start of ones response to it.

Not possible bro. How would he know which angle the attack is coming from if he is moving before the attack is fired? This doesn't include the fact that his opponents have speed of their own.

Originally posted by carver9
Scans proving this. Please make sure it's relevant because you posted irrelevant scans on the previous page that had nothing to do with my question. Prove what exactly?

How are the scans irrelevant? If someone can measure speed using picoseconds then how does that not prove ftl perceptions? And if you are chasing someone at light speed and they suddenly turn right then they would be a hundred thousand of miles away from you in less than a second if you can't respond to the sudden turn in time. Surfer stayed ultra close to BRB despite the sudden turns Skuttlebutt was making to shake Surfer off.

Originally posted by carver9
Not possible bro. How would he know which angle the attack is coming from if he is moving before the attack is fired? This doesn't include the fact that his opponents have speed of their own. The SS guides his body to the safe locations or positions the instant BEFORE the attack and without Peter's knowledge or consent. Sometimes Pete don't know why he ducked or dodged until after the danger was past him.

Without the SS, Pete would have died a long time ago.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove what exactly?

How are the scans irrelevant? If someone can measure speed using picoseconds then how does that not prove ftl perceptions? And if you are chasing someone at light speed and they suddenly turn right then they would be a hundred thousand of miles away from you in less than a second if you can't respond to the sudden turn in time. Surfer stayed ultra close to BRB despite the sudden turns Skuttlebutt was making to shake Surfer off.

What you said in your post.

Sigh...next time you post scans, post all of it. Yes, he seen the waves with his xray vision but here's the next panel...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/speed2.jpg

He wasn't fast enough to react to said attack. The attack was too fast for him to react too. I don't know who you are boring your scans from but tell them to provide you with the entire scene.

Here is the scene H1 posted.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/132106/2759324-speed1.jpg

ALL OF IT. As shown, when Swamp Thing decided to attack at the speed of light, we get the results shown above. Please read the scan carefully.

He was surprised that Swamp Thing could travel at the speed of light. He still saw the waves coming at him frozen in time.

Way to lowball though.

Originally posted by abhilegend


He was surprised that Swamp Thing could travel at the speed of light. He still saw the waves coming at him frozen in time.

Way to lowball though.


Where was it said he saw the waves? He was hit mid sentence and nothing was mentioned of him seeing any waves. We saw the attack but no evidence points towards Superman seeing or reacting to said attack.

Also, where are you getting he was surprised ST could travel at the speed of light?

Originally posted by carver9
Where was it said he saw the waves? He was hit mid sentence and nothing was mentioned of him seeing any waves. We saw the attack but no evidence points towards Superman seeing or reacting to said attack.

Also, where are you getting he was surprised ST could travel at the speed of light?

He's using his x-ray vision to look at it...

Are you smoking something?

Originally posted by carver9
What you said in your post.

Sigh...next time you post scans, post all of it. Yes, he seen the waves with his xray vision but here's the next panel...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/speed2.jpg

He wasn't fast enough to react to said attack. The attack was too fast for him to react too. I don't know who you are boring your scans from but tell them to provide you with the entire scene.

First panel reminds me of Rage's avi. When Venom tentacle-raped Supes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's using his x-ray vision to look at it...

Are you smoking something?

He's trapped in Superman's Xray vision. Superman then tells him that an electric current can not pass through xrays unless it travels at the speed of light. What does Swamp do, he up his speed to the speed of light which makes him pass through Superman xray vision which also gives him enough time to blind Superman. It's all right there on panel.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
First panel reminds me of Rage's avi. When Venom tentacle-raped Supes.

Originally posted by carver9
He's trapped in Superman's Xray vision. Superman then tells him that an electric current can not pass through xrays unless it travels at the speed of light. What does Swamp do, he up his speed to the speed of light which makes him pass through Superman xray vision which also gives him enough time to blind Superman. It's all right there on panel.

...and he's looking right at it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
...and he's looking right at it.

Sigh...we don't know if HE see the attack. I'm pretty sure it was drawn like that for us to see it. Doesn't matter since he was unable to react to it anyways like H1 said he did. This is reacting to speed (look how close the blade is to his eye)...

https://youtu.be/e8O_XuYh7_A

That didn't happen during that scene.

I dont see him measuring anything. He's merely stating a fact. There are better examples of him using super speed. This is not one of them.

This is probably the first time I've seen that scan used to describe speed in relation to Supes. Then again I could be wrong...

Originally posted by carver9
Where was it said he saw the waves? He was hit mid sentence and nothing was mentioned of him seeing any waves. We saw the attack but no evidence points towards Superman seeing or reacting to said attack.

Also, where are you getting he was surprised ST could travel at the speed of light?
What are you talking about? He saw Swampy breaking through the field and coming at him.

The last panel clearly shows the waves frozen. He was just surprised Swampy could move at lightspeed.

But if he wasn't able to react, how was he able to see Swampy breaking through the field at lightspeed?

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...we don't know if HE see the attack. I'm pretty sure it was drawn like that for us to see it. Doesn't matter since he was unable to react to it anyways like H1 said he did. This is reacting to speed (look how close the blade is to his eye)...

https://youtu.be/e8O_XuYh7_A

That didn't happen during that scene.

He's shown reacting to seeing it.

Video isn't watchable for me.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Not always.

Sometimes his spider-sense is too slow. Without his super fast reflexes he would have been dead a long time ago, spider sense or no spider sense.

The speed of Spider-Man is the result of the combination of his inhumanly fast reflexes and spider sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about? He saw Swampy breaking through the field and coming at him.

The last panel clearly shows the waves frozen. He was just surprised Swampy could move at lightspeed.

But if he wasn't able to react, how was he able to see Swampy breaking through the field at lightspeed?

Where did he say he saw Swamp? What in his statement make you think that?

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's shown reacting to seeing it.

Video isn't watchable for me.

When? What part of that scene makes you believe he reacted to it?