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The GOP has suspended partnership with NBC News for February debate. Of course, this is a direct result of them being angry that the liberal moderators during Republican debate few nights ago asked unfair questions designed to either make candidates attack each other or make them look stupid. Which backfired miserably, of course. Only ones who ended up looking stupid were the mods. Anyway, here's the AOL article pertaining to GOP suspending their partnership with NBC:



http://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/30/gop-suspends-partnership-with-nbc-news-for-february-debate/21256749/

Good riddance, and about time, they should have suspended after the first CNN debate. Funny how Hilary and Bernie won't let fox moderators quiz them on national TV.

You think GOP debates should only be moderated by Fox News? I remember, even then the reaction by the candidate was that the moderators were unfair to them.

No, that's not the way I remember it. During first debate they only went after Trump and it was only Megan Kelly who did so. Get your facts straight.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You think GOP debates should only be moderated by Fox News? I remember, even then the reaction by the candidate was that the moderators were unfair to them.



I think a more fair question would be do you think democratic debates should only be handled by stations that are left-leaning biased while at same time Republicans have to get moderated by liberals? I don't know what kind of world you live in where you can call that fair.

The candidates bitched and moaned about unfair questions when Fox was running the show.

The poor GOP. Why won't anyone just buy into the candidates' crazy meme ideas without wasting everyone's time with little things like fact-checking and requests for elaboration.

Originally posted by Star428
I think a more fair question would be do you think democratic debates should only be handled by stations that are left-leaning biased while at same time Republicans have to get moderated by liberals? I don't know what kind of world you live in where you can call that fair.

The Republican party can choose whoever they want to moderate the debate. I think CNBC has shown itself to be inept, so I agree with the decision to pull future debates from their station.


However, I think your accusation isn't really true,

The democratic debates are on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, Univision.

The Republican debates are on Fox (4), CNN (3), CNBC, ABC and CBS

I mean, disregarding that conservatives were unhappy with the FOX News debate as well, what do you think should happen? Should all Republican debates be on Fox News?

Because I think the Republicans, wisely, in order to extend their reach, have the debates on different networks.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
The candidates bitched and moaned about unfair questions when Fox was running the show.

The poor GOP. Why won't anyone just buy into the candidates' crazy meme ideas without wasting everyone's time with little things like fact-checking and requests for elaboration.





*facepalm*

Only Trump complained about first debate and his complaints were justified, moron. It was Megan Kelly and only Megan Kelly that went after him, idiot. You're just as ****ing stupid as those liberal moderators who got embarassed other night aren't ya? STill butthurt that the Republicans trashed your retarded liberal mods, loser? Quit throwing a crybaby temper tantrum over it, jack***. Everyone knows the mods were out of line. You'll eventually get over the fact that the bias of the left-wing has been exposed. Quit crying about it you poor poor baby.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Good riddance, and about time, they should have suspended after the first CNN debate.

They should have cut their relationship with NBC... after their debate with CNN? Which is unrelated to NBC?



Note that the Republicans never went with MSNBC, the closest equivalent to Fox.




Well, to begin with, CNN doesn't have a left-leaning bias, not like Fox does, it's pretty centrist. Note that the CNN Republican debate also had less complaints about unfair attacking than the Fox debate did, which had Trump complaining heavily afterwards, so you focusing on CNN is kinda re-writing history. Sure, that was only Trump, but that's still more than the CNN one got- why exactly are you going after the least controversial moderation of all the debates again?

That said, there is a solid argument that one should have both friendly moderators, i.e. Fox, MSNBC, who'll let the candidates get their platforms out there, as well as ones that are not in your corner and more interested in grilling your people and answering hardball questions, to show how your people can handle both situations.


Now, CNBC's people were pretty poor at their job, but the problem wasn't asking hard-hitting questions, which would've been fine, but rather asking crappy questions (like the Trump comic book one. Really? How is someone supposed to respond to that? Or the 'what's your biggest weakness' one, because job interviews stopped doing that because it *sucks*), "Why don't you hit that other candidate for us?" and such.

A good non-cuddly question is, "Your tax plan say blah blah blah. How do you respond to people who say that'll place an undo burdon on the blah?". Heck, the questions to Carson about his speeches for that miracle cure medical company were good. Like how in the Democratic CNN debate, Sanders was asked how could a socialist get elected- that's a tough question, they weren't softballing him. That's what you want from a non-friendly but non-crap moderate.


It's not, "Are you running a comic book campaign?". That's just crap question selection. "What's your biggest weakness?" is not only a traditionally crap question, but they used it for the *opening*.


Btw, I'll note one of the people asking questions was Jim Cramer, who was famously ripped apart by Jon Stewart on the Daily Show. You keep phrasing it as if 'the left' was out to get them or that all non-fox media is like this, when really, nah, the CNBC people are just considered crap all around by news station standards and thought they could cause fights for ratings.

They're so bad at their job that they were messing up getting the candidates to fight for ratings.

Originally posted by Star428


*facepalm*

Only Trump complained about first debate and his complaints were justified, moron. It was Megan Kelly and only Megan Kelly that went after him, idiot. You're just as ****ing stupid as those liberal moderators who got embarassed other night aren't ya? STill butthurt that the Republicans trashed your retarded liberal mods, loser? Quit throwing a temper tantrum over it, lib. You'll eventually get over it you poor poor baby.

Not just Megyn Kelly, also Chris Wallace.

Watching these two try and catch CNN in the net of blame despite CNN having done a more Republican-friendly job than Fox and being unrelated to CNBC is fascinating.

Originally posted by Q99
Watching these two try and catch CNN in the net of blame despite CNN having done a more Republican-friendly job than Fox and being unrelated to CNBC is fascinating.

And your are just full of excuses and you lie about everything.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And your are just full of excuses and you lie about everything.




What you expect from a die-hard Hillary supporter who looks the other way at all the criminal things she's done? She's just following the example of her socialist "savior" Hilldog who lies with every word that comes out of her mouth.

Like I said before, Hilary and Obama could murder these peoples parents and they would find and excuse for them. They don't break ranks.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Like I said before, Hilary and Obama could murder these peoples parents and they would find and excuse for them. They don't break ranks.



Yeah, and then they would try to shift the blame onto Republicans for their deaths. LOL.

Originally posted by Star428
Yeah, and then they would try to shift the blame onto Republicans for their deaths. LOL.

Like they did in Benghazi.

Precisely.

The echo is deafening....

Originally posted by Star428
Precisely.

When you have people here who think Michael Brown was innocent, and Wilson guilty, that's pretty much all you need to know that the bias idiocy in their minds.

Supra, do you sip Star's autism kool-aide because he's pretty much the only person on this forum who accepts you?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
When you have people here who think Michael Brown was innocent, and Wilson guilty, that's pretty much all you need to know that the bias idiocy in their minds.





Yeah... I wonder how many of those same people also think O.J. is innocent of double murder.

Yea, I bet most here think he was innocent.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And your are just full of excuses and you lie about everything.


Ah yes, 'excuses' like 'the evidence really, actually doesn't exist, as confirmed by even the person's enemies.' The definition of 'sufficient evidence' is not 'agrees with your preconceived viewpoint.'

And you've actually been caught in repeating known-lies often (tell me, does Orgy Island still exist?), so.... I take your accusations of me lying with a giant grain of salt, since 'lie' in your book seems to be 'something that disagrees with your preconceived viewpoint,' not the traditional definition.




Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Like I said before, Hilary and Obama could murder these peoples parents and they would find and excuse for them. They don't break ranks.

Originally posted by Star428
Yeah, and then they would try to shift the blame onto Republicans for their deaths. LOL.


You two continue to pat yourselves on the back on being 'right' on Benghazi and how everyone else not being in the tank against Hillary for it is a sign that we'll write off anything they do.

... despite Republican probes finding squat, and no evidence suggesting her actions were responsible for the deaths even with 17 months and over ten million dollars of trying.

So, do you think the Republicans are incompetent, covering for Hillary, or what?



How do you square your sure-ness with the lack of evidence?

"Well, it's a bad accusation, and it's Hillary, so of course it's true," seems to be your entire thought process here.

We already went over this, she lied to the families, there is no denying this.

Mind shutting up now?

Lets just agree both CNN and Fox are both shit. They are definitely two different manners of turds, but turds nonetheless.

If they wanna be fair. The next debates both Demo and Repub should be on The Blaze TV channel.

Well if they want to talk about fairness and stuff and are upset with questions they get asked..how about we let the actual people they'll be serving ask the questions? No, I don't mean people who mod the things or work for networks, but the normal folk. Let them send in questions to ask the candidates.

The people should dictate which things are important, not the politicians.

That didn't really work to well for Hillary when Black Lives Matter showed up at one of her camp stops.

Ah yes, the famous group "Black Lives Matter When Taken By White Cops". Must of sucked for Hilary.

But alright, I would vote we let Jon Stewart ask the questions. People should watch the videos on youtube on Stewart utterly ripping CNN a new one.

But I want to pick other people much meaner then Stewart.

Star, you've been warned here before. Stop being so aggressive with your attitude to other posters. You don't need to keep going off on these insult-fuelled rants.

^Ok.

Yes Star remember. You can only insult people on the Republicans side. Its the only fair thing to do.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Yes Star remember. You can only insult people on the Republicans side. Its the only fair thing to do.


Well, I think it's fair to say that no one needs to insult the dumbasscrats because they do that well enough since they're always making fools out themselves just like those lib mods did the other night.

could you quote these insults or are you just throwing another fit?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We already went over this, she lied to the families, there is no denying this.

Except, one, that's not what you've accused her of, two, the Republicans have been lying to the public and the families for over a year on the exact same topic and you seem fine with that, and three, it was people under her, and it really does seem to be a case of crossed wires, because Republican commissions have spent 17 months failing to find purposeful deception.



Mind getting your facts straight and stop repeating known-lies?


You keep on insisting something must be true and everyone who disagrees must have unlimited bias that'll apply to anything no matter how heinous, but then when the actual known-facts of the situation are brought up, you either deflect or run to Star for assurances (or Star doing the same to you), as if Star's word mattered more than what investigations have actually shown.


Again, I'm not even taking Hillary or Democrat's word on this, I'm taking what a Republican investigation has uncovered, or rather, not uncovered. You seem to be unable to not blame Democrats even when it's your own side that has handled the investigations.

She lied to the family, get over it.

And I don't have a side here, there is right and wrong, and she was. You just won't accept the fact, and anything that comes out you immediately dismiss as a right wing conspiracy, as does Hilary, she has taught you well.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lets just agree both CNN and Fox are both shit. They are definitely two different manners of turds, but turds nonetheless.

Eh, CNN's done better debates so far, for both parties. Not being openly partisan and at least trying to present the image of serious journalism helps.

So far it looks to me, CNN > Fox > CNBC.

Oh, and CSPAN's was good too.


Originally posted by Surtur

But alright, I would vote we let Jon Stewart ask the questions. People should watch the videos on youtube on Stewart utterly ripping CNN a new one.

It sucks that he's retired and not interested.

Originally posted by Q99


So far it looks to me, CNN > Fox > CNBC.

It sucks that he's retired and not interested.

I don't believe you really think this.

I think you see it like CNN>CNBC>MSNBC>Fox

CNN got caught deleting comments on their facebook about Sanders.

CNN should be last on your list now, but definitely not first.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
She lied to the family, get over it.

You seem to be actively dodging all the points. Like, say, an investigation not finding anything indicating there was any purposeful intent to deceive. Note that the misinformation came out at a level below hers.

Also, there's still the matter of the totally false accusations that she was responsible for the deaths, that people here and some Republicans still have no problem passing on, even though that's a total lie. Do you just give those lies a pass?



So now the Republican investigation is a right-wing conspiracy?

And the Republican people who admitted it was mostly pursued as a partisan attack are just made up?

See, you say 'there's right and wrong,' but you don't back up why your view is supposedly right, you dismiss any actual evidence as "You're just claiming there's a right-wing conspiracy," and you don't actually have evidence backing your side.


And when called on it, you resort to trying to accuse bias and straw-manning things, even when it's totally self-contradictory.

You're accusing me of accusing a right-wing conspiracy, when I am illustrating what the Republicans found out. The Republican investigation, that failed to find the evidence of your claims, while trying to prove your claims.


Do you ever get the slightest bit concerned about how you don't even bother to address facts and evidence that I bring up, or are you happy in your little sphere o' denial?

No, do you?

LOL. FOX is easily greater than all of those listed. Dems are so deluded.

Originally posted by Q99
Eh, CNN's done better debates so far, for both parties. Not being openly partisan and at least trying to present the image of serious journalism helps.

So far it looks to me, CNN > Fox > CNBC.

Hence why I said they aren't the same kind of turds, but turds nonetheless. Saying they are better then Fox and CNBC is like me saying I can run much faster then a guy with no legs. Such a statement would be as true as it is unimpressive.

Ehh, while they aren't perfect, and are a bit ratings-focused, CNN isn't *that* bad.

Though I do grant that none of the American networks are great. It'd be nice if we had something like the BBC over here.

I do also like the major newspapers more, too.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. FOX is easily greater than all of those listed. Dems are so deluded.

If your judgement is based on who's most on your side, yes. This has little to do with accuracy in regard to facts.

If you only trust someone who agrees with your point of view, because they agree with your point of view, you can very easily be lead into blind alleys without knowing it.





Well, considering I do address facts and evidence, I obviously care enough to double-check and look for reliable sources and preferably multiple ones with different viewpoints, so yes, I do like to check to make sure I'm not in a sphere o' denial.


Good to know you're at least open about not caring about the evidence. Kinda what I expected, but it doesn't hurt to check, y'know?

Tell us how Fox is more dishonest then CNN. Do you even have proof of this?