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Well this is horrific

Allah is merciful.

Yeah. That's terrible. Is it verified to be Muslim extremists yet?

Another link:
http://controversialtimes.com/news/breaking-paris-under-attack-explosions-shootings-reported-casualties/

Whoever is doing it. This is so inhumane, beyond any understanding. Why??

Terrorist. Reports are all mixed, but several sources say many hostages have been taken; possibly in multiple locations.

So unfortunately they'll likely be more deaths.

Edit: BBC is saying up to 60 hostages being held in the Bataclan theater.

Originally posted by The Ecks
Whoever is doing it. This is so inhumane, beyond any understanding. Why??

Right there wih you. smh

Complete confusion about what's been going on so far- as is ever the way with these things.

Latest BBC report says over 100 hostages at the Bataclan, but some may have escaped.

Alongside the shootings, police now reporting a bombing at the Stade de France; some casualties.

Rumours that landmarks like the Louvre and Pompidou Centre have been attacked- no facts yet.

More reports coming in.

EDIT: Reports coming in of further explosions at the Bataclan. Possible police action under way, there, so that could be all sorts of things.

CNN has the death toll at 60+

Fox is saying "100 hostages"

Reports saying Bataclan being stormed by French forces.

Fingers crossed, no more victims.

Crazy.

Holy shit. This is horrible. And my Dad was going to visit Paris tomorrow.....

Religion of Peace.

There is no need to be sarcastic. People are dead

Originally posted by Robtard
So unfortunately they'll likely be more deaths.


I feel this way as well. When these kinds of people take hostages....it is not good. Lets hope they are stopped.

Originally posted by long pig
Religion of Peace.



Yeah. Tell me about it. It said in the article that the French President closed the borders. LOL. It's a little late for that isn't it? You know, I hate to say I told you so but... well, you know... I did. Hopefully, not too many people were killed and hopefully Bentley is ok.

Originally posted by Surtur
I feel this way as well. When these kinds of people take hostages....it is not good. Lets hope they are stopped.
Probably not actually taking hostages, as the word means those captured are being held in order to force some demand(s) and there's good faith that they'll be released after.

They're likely to executed in the name of terrorism and this was the intent from the start.

Originally posted by The Ecks
There is no need to be sarcastic. People are dead "be nice to the terrorists because of the people they killed!" ??? Uh, no.
Its called mockery. These people deserve mockery and contempt.

How much you want to bet they were "refugees"?

I hate to say I told you so but... well, you know... I did. .

Every time I think I've heard the upper level of this guy's idiocy, he manages to impress

Who r u quoting, pig? Did I say that? Don't be a smart ass here

Not you

One more attack from Allah and his loving followers

My heart goes out to those that died

Originally posted by Robtard
Not you
We cool

ISIS is the creation of Israel & the US...Or was created because of their mistakes. At this point I blame the leaders of the "whole world" for allowing this madness to go on for so long & for failing to protect the innocent people of the world...

Sky News: Death toll is up to 140+, with around 100 killed in the Bataclan.

Not sure if that's true as other outlets haven't picked it up yet, but if so, seems the police storming of the theater didn't go well and those bastards likely started shooting innocents

If the news its true and not a bunch of Zionist propaganda, then this is horrible! I feel sorry for those killed as well as the misguided group who allegedly committed the acts. Its sad.
Although, as sad as it is, its still no where near as bad as the atrocities committed in Palestine everyday by the Israelis.

Originally posted by The Ecks
ISIS is the creation of Israel & the US...Or was created because of their mistakes. At this point I blame the leaders of the "whole world" for allowing this madness to go on for so long & for failing to protect the innocent people of the world...
True. The birds are coming home to roost.

Have you even considered this is probably workplace violence that the right has turned into a political issue???

ISIS hasn't claimed responsibility for the attacks, they praised them but haven't committed them (at least as of their admission)

Not that it's relevant considering it was likely another group

Originally posted by carthage
ISIS hasn't claimed responsibility for the attacks, they praised them but haven't committed them (at least as of their admission)

Not that it's relevant considering it was likely another group
ISIS aka Israeli-american forces.

Originally posted by The Ecks
ISIS is the creation of Israel & the US




LOL. Uh, no. Wrong... Try again, loser. Perhaps Bush played a major role in creation of it but the entire United States isn't responsible and it's silly to say otherwise. And Israel? Oh, please. I know that you, like most of the idiots on this forum, love to come up with all kinds of irrational reasons for hating Israel because you all can't stand it that they are the chosen people of the true God YAHWEH but now it's just getting sad when you try to claim that Israel is responsible for the creation of ISIS. Sorry, dude. You might as well go ahead and give up that sad pathetic little game right now because you're not fooling anyone. Israel had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of ISIS, idiot. Did Israel make those MUslim p-o-s's go around cutting perople's heads off and burning them alive? NO. Perhaps your fake ass god "Allah" is just a sick bastard.

Originally posted by long pig
Religion of Peace.
You offend me as a Muslim. I would slap you across the face!

Star:
Call in your crew to back you up and create another trash discussion. I'm not even bothering to reply to your obnoxious comments.

Star would probably implode if he ever found out that the Palestinians of today have more in common genetically with the ancient Israelites than modern Israelis do, who are a wide and mixed group of people; many of them having ancestry rooted in Europe, Eurasia and Asia.

Arabian knight, I'm not a Muslim, I'm not going to start religious talks here. I'm just using common sense and saying what I see is truth in my opinion.
To be on point, innocent people lots of them died tonight and that's very sad.

How about you all shut the **** up, people are dead.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How about you all shut the **** up, people are dead.




I know. I wouldn't have said anything but the Muslims or Muslim lovers had to change the subject of thread and try and blame the creation of ISIS on the U.S. and Israel.


My apologies. I won't say anything else about it.

So many people dead, this is just unreal.

After the terrorist attack on those cartoonist happened. Can't say I'm shock about this incident. Everyone knew an attack was coming soon or later.

I wonder if we ever get a death toll as high like this again in the near future. I'm just hoping France would do something to prevent these tragedies. Can't visit as a tourist anymore, what a shitty it has become.

I'm curious what the French response will ultimately be.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I'm curious what the French response will ultimately be.

Hollande just made a pretty aggressive speech apparently.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So many people dead, this is just unreal.
Agreed.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I'm curious what the French response will ultimately be.

Who gives a ****, what the **** are they gonna do! Genocide the middle east, what can the ****ing world do!?

Nothing! No on can do anything against this.

And this will be forgotten!!! JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

JUST LIKE 9/11

Then it will be back to Muslim sympathizing as usual

This world is ****ed! And thats all there is to it!

I haven't seen anything confirming who was actually behind the attacks yet.

You are a ****ing idiot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hollande just made a pretty aggressive speech apparently.

They closed their borders. This is terrible. Damn. Stupid pigs.

Does anyone find it odd that this happened on Friday the 13th? Not sure if it was still Friday in France when this happened but if it was it seems like a strange coincidence doesn't it? Perhaps the perpetrators pick that day for some reason. I'm not really superstitious but I can't help to wonder.

140 already

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who gives a ****, what the **** are they gonna do! Genocide the middle east, what can the ****ing world do!?

Nothing! No on can do anything against this.

And this will be forgotten!!! JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

JUST LIKE 9/11

Then it will be back to Muslim sympathizing as usual

This world is ****ed! And thats all there is to it!


Genocide? Seriously? And yes, there is a *lot* the world can do about genocide. And attempting to do so would cost vastly more lives than these attacks- if your response to death is vastly more death, you are not on the good side. And no, the vast majority of the people living in the Middle East have precisely jack and squat to do with attacks like this. It's a region full of many peoples, not a convenient block for you to fit your stereotypes on.


I've got a family member who has an apartment in Paris (though, fortunately, is in Berlin at the moment) and friends there. Responses like yours do not help.

Originally posted by Star428
Does anyone find it odd that this happened on Friday the 13th? Not sure if it was still Friday in France when this happened but if it was it seems like a strange coincidence doesn't it? Perhaps the perpetrators pick that day for some reason. I'm not really superstitious but I can't help to wonder.

Friday the 13th was the day the church called for the mass execution of the Templar Knights. I think. That's why it's considered an unlucky date.

Originally posted by Q99
Genocide? Seriously? And yes, there is a *lot* the world can do about genocide. And attempting to do so would cost vastly more lives than these attacks- if your response to death is vastly more death, you are not on the good side. And no, the vast majority of the people living in the Middle East have precisely jack and squat to do with attacks like this. It's a region full of many peoples, not a convenient block for you to fit your stereotypes on.


I've got a family member who has an apartment in Paris (though, fortunately, is in Berlin at the moment) and friends there. Responses like yours do not help.

Shut the ****, you know nothing, I didn't say to do genocide. I really ****ing hate you btw.

Originally posted by Q99

I've got a family member who has an apartment in Paris (though, fortunately, is in Berlin at the moment) and friends there. Responses like yours do not help.

Thank God!

Originally posted by meep-meep
Friday the 13th was the day the church called for the mass execution of the Templar Knights. I think. That's why it's considered an unlucky date.



Actually, that was just one of the reasons it was considered unlucky. Pretty sure it started with Christ. Supposedly, the day He was crucified was on a Friday and the 13 has something to do with the apostles of Christ, I think. I could be wrong but, iirc, Judas was the 13th disciple.

You know guys, you 3, time star and pig, should create your own thread and brown nose each other there. And this one here won't have negativity coming from your atrocious comments.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Shut the ****, you know nothing, I didn't say to do genocide. I really ****ing hate you btw.


You literally said genocide.

"Genocide the middle east, what can the ****ing world do!?" -Time-Immemorial, a couple posts back.



While we as a world community should totally hunt down those actually responsible, trying to take it out on vast groups not related not only is misguided, but it also feeds into exactly what the kind of people who do these sort of attacks want. They want a giant 'clash of cultures' where millions die and all the Muslims who'd rather go on with their lives are drawn into it.

You dont even know what you are talking about, shut the hell up.

It was rhetorical question, to his Question "I wonder what the french response is going to be" meaning we cant do shit about this.

Maybe if you hand not been such a ****ing sharpshooter and pulled your head out your ass you could have read.

Dumbass

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who gives a ****, what the **** are they gonna do! Genocide the middle east, what can the ****ing world do!?

Nothing! No on can do anything against this.

And this will be forgotten!!! JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

JUST LIKE 9/11

Then it will be back to Muslim sympathizing as usual

This world is ****ed! And thats all there is to it! http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7ukkgwtYY1qgzqnco2_250.gif

There is no where to go, but keep make jokes about the dead

I'm making jokes about you, fam. Stop being inflammatory.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You dont even know what you are talking about, shut the hell up.

It was rhetorical question, to his Question "I wonder what the french response is going to be" meaning we cant do shit about this.

Maybe if you hand not been such a ****ing sharpshooter and pulled your head out your ass you could have read.

Dumbass

And then you started ranting about 9/11 too, and got really pissed when I said I was against genocide and started messaging me about it.


If you don't believe in genocide, then say so.

Just flat out say you're against Genocide, don't get pissed at people for being against genocide.



What I want from this? I want a French initiative, supported by the rest of the world including any forces of ours they ask for, to hunt down and catch everyone related to this attack. I do not want blanket hatred of people who are not related, and I do not want blanket hatred providing a cover for those actually involved to hide under and escape - remember how Osama Bin Laden took a decade to catch because instead of targeting him and Al Qaeda, we decided to hit a much wider net and take forces away from the Al Qaeda hunt? I do not want a repeat of that.

Originally posted by The Ecks
You know guys, you 3, time star and pig, should create your own thread and brown nose each other there. And this one here won't have negativity coming from your atrocious comments.





LOL. Piss off, dude. My attrocious comments? You're the one that started the "attrocious comments" with trying to blame the U.S. and Israel for the creation of ISIS. I was simply replying to the guy above who tried to educate me on something I already knew about. Looks like you're still mad at me for calling you out on your BS of what you said about U.S./Israel so you're using any excuse to act like I"m the one going off topic. Sorry, but it won't work. I guess it's best if I just go ahead and put you on ignore so I won't have to read any more of your inflammatory comments which force me to reply like this which then steers the thread off topic even further.

Originally posted by Q99
And then you started ranting about 9/11 too, and got really pissed when I said I was against genocide and started messaging me about it.


If you don't believe in genocide, then say so.

Just flat out say you're against Genocide, don't get pissed at people for being against genocide.



What I want from this? I want a French initiative, supported by the rest of the world including any forces of ours they ask for, to hunt down and catch everyone related to this attack. I do not want blanket hatred of people who are not related, and I do not want blanket hatred providing a cover for those actually involved to hide under and escape - remember how Osama Bin Laden took a decade to catch because instead of targeting him and Al Qaeda, we decided to hit a much wider net and take forces away from the Al Qaeda hunt? I do not want a repeat of that.

There is no way to fight radical islam. You cannot quell it, you cannot stop it, it spreads like a cancer. The more of them you kill, the more it rallies to their cause. They don't believe in peace, they want war and chaos and terror, they want the world afraid, they want to enslave people

When are you going to open your ****ing eyes?

Quit using the "peaceful ones" to justify your political agenda.

Did anyone here blame the "peaceful ones?"

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Piss off, dude. My attrocious comments? You're the one that started the "attrocious comments" with trying to blame the U.S. and Israel for the creation of ISIS. I was simply replying to the guy above who tried to educate me on something I already knew about. Looks like you're still mad at me for calling you out on your BS of what you said about U.S./Israel so you're using any excuse to act like I"m the one going off topic. Sorry, but it won't work. I guess it's best if I just go ahead and put you on ignore so I won't have to read any more of your inflammatory comments which force me to reply like this which then steers the thread off topic even further.

*atrocious
Learn to copy paste quotes correctly

And the liberals will be cowtowing to Muslims again by this time tomorrow.

Oh the Humanity..

I see the whole crew is here now. Should I help you create your own brown nosing thread?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I haven't seen anything confirming who was actually behind the attacks yet.

You are right, until its confirmed it was Islamic Terrorists, it was a bunch of Single White Male American Caucasians, or Jews.

At least 153 dead now. Just horrible.

Originally posted by The Ecks
I see the whole crew is here now. Should I help you create your own brown nosing thread?

Maybe you should create a Bubble of Safety like they are doing in American Colleges. A nice Socialist bubble of safety were nothing bad can be said or done.



Oh wait....To late. .

You too fly?
Unexpected.

Eh. I am a Cold Heated Bastard but much like what is happening in France. No one should be surprised by this. .

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You are right, until its confirmed it was Islamic Terrorists, it was a bunch of Single White Male American Caucasians, or Jews.




Obviously, it was Christians.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You are right, until its confirmed it was Islamic Terrorists, it was a bunch of Single White Male American Caucasians,

While unlikely in this case, the second biggest terrorist attack in American history was by caucasian christian Americans. 168 died, 680 injured.



Personally, I'd rather focus on hoping there's no more deaths, the perpetrators are stopped, and they get to the bottom of who was behind it soon, rather than trying to come up with excuses to hate people not involved.

This is close to 400 people dead to radical islam in less then 2 weeks. This does not include the deaths in Iraq or the middle east.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is close to 400 people dead to radical islam in less then 2 weeks. This does not include the deaths in Iraq or the middle east.


Ummm Iraq is Middle East

Originally posted by Arabian Knight
You offend me as a Muslim. I would slap you across the face!

I bet you'd like to do more than just slap him.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is close to 400 people dead to radical islam in less then 2 weeks. This does not include the deaths in Iraq or the middle east.

The US has killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Iraq and similar.



Let's talk a moment about one of the big goals of terror attacks like this-

One thing they want to do is 'wake up' the world to their line of thinking.

They are few in number in Europe, but there's millions of European Muslims they assume they can convert.

They want France to act in a way that will push these people to them.

Those who want to lash out blindly against all Muslims want to help them by doing the same thing.

The alternative is to embrace non-radicalized muslims, encourage non-radicalization, and surgically destroy just our actual enemies.

It is much better to do what they do not want, and destroy them, than to do what they want us to do because it'd make us 'feel good' or what have you.


Being big and blustery and trying to wreck everything is exactly what the enemy wants.

Don't do what the real enemy wants.

I wonder how long we will have to wait fot the movie of this to be made?.

Je ne suis pas Charlie Hebdo. Je suis Charles Martel.

Originally posted by Q99
While unlikely in this case, the second biggest terrorist attack in American history was by caucasian christian Americans. 168 died, 680 injured.



Personally, I'd rather focus on hoping there's no more deaths, the perpetrators are stopped, and they get to the bottom of who was behind it soon, rather than trying to come up with excuses to hate people not involved.
You're pathetic.
1. Christianity doesn't support terrorism.

2. European culture doesn't either.

3. Whites outnumber Arab Muslims 100 to 1, yet non whites Muslims commit 90+ % of terrorism here.

4. Identifying an anomaly doesn't disprove white Christians are unlikely terrorists here and now.

You know what you're doing, and its pathetic.

did you know that 94% of statistics posted on this forum have no credible citation and are complete bullshit?

This is a tragedy, but the french sickness of political correctness and liberalism makes these attacks an inevitability. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more.
The french openly invite and house extremist Muslims. They give them political power well above their respective citizenship percentage.

Its literally illegal to talk against Islam.

They are weak, and terrorists always take the low hanging fruit.

Originally posted by long pig
This is a tragedy, but the french sickness of political correctness and liberalism makes these attacks an inevitability. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more.
The french openly invite and house extremist Muslims. They give them political power well above their respective citizenship percentage.

Its literally illegal to talk against Islam.

They are weak, and terrorists always take the low hanging fruit.

If it's illegal to talk against Islam, how come Charlie Hebdo was allowed to mock Islam so brazenly?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
did you know that 94% of statistics posted on this forum have no credible citation and are complete bullshit?
Its actually 99.9999998% that is bullshit.

Point taken, but the message remains true regardless of shitty math.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
If it's illegal to talk against Islam, how come Charlie Hebdo was allowed to mock Islam so brazenly?
Hate speech is 100% illegal here. And the definition of "hate speech" is so undefined that it applies if you attack Islam....or any non white person

Originally posted by long pig
Hate speech is 100% illegal here. And the definition of "hate speech" is so undefined that it applies if you attack Islam....or any non white person

"Here" where?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
"Here" where?
I'm in Paris. Me and another kmcer are here coincidentally at the same time.

Originally posted by long pig
I'm in Paris. Me and another kmcer are here coincidentally at the same time. Why are you in Paris?

Originally posted by long pig
I'm in Paris. Me and another kmcer are here coincidentally at the same time.
He's like two miles from the attack, I'm a little further. Its crazy here.

Is he ok?

Originally posted by Mindset
Why are you in Paris?
Technically, im in Versailles. But not far.I'm here on business and my ol lady is a french teacher.

Originally posted by The Ecks
Is he ok?
Yeah. A little shaken up, understandability.... But fine. I'm getting him drunk later. He's doing some military marathon or something around Paris. I refuse to do that.

I hope he's not a "Libbo" or you beat him up debating

Originally posted by long pig
You're pathetic.
1. Christianity doesn't support terrorism.

Nor does Islam, on the whole. Smaller groups of either may do so.

Remember North Ireland? Christian religious fighting that went on for about 40 years with lots of terrorism, ended in '98? That's not exactly long ago.



And the reasons are a heck of a lot more complex than 'they're Muslim,' and the solutions that are likely to work similarly not so one dimensional.

Also, no, the numbers are not nearly that slanted, either in ratio (there's around 25 million Arab Muslims in Algeria, 20 million Arab Muslims in Morocco and Yemen each, around 10 million more in Tunisia- 100x just those four countries is 7.5 billion, more than the population of the Earth, and those countries aren't exactly known for terrorism), or percentage of terrorist attacks (page on terrorist attacks in the US).



There was a white Christian terrorist attack this year, it hit a Church in Charleston.

There's the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting not long before.

The Oklahoma City bombing wasn't *that* long ago, and was as mentioned the second biggest in US history.

While they are not the most likely group to hit the US, they are the second most likely group to hit the US.






Repeating the word 'pathetic' doesn't change that the actual meaning ends up being, 'Q doesn't agree with your overly-simplistic take which doesn't actually help deal with attacks, and you want to dismiss that.'

Originally posted by The Ecks
I hope he's not a "Libbo" or you beat him up debating
He's a giant ****ing libbo.....loves Obama.... And Hilary.

And the Oklahoma bombing was against the Government, mainly the IRS...so really no great crime in and of itself.

Originally posted by Q99


Nor does Islam, on the whole. Smaller groups of either may do so.

Remember North Ireland? Christian religious fighting that went on for about 40 years with lots of terrorism, ended in '98? That's not exactly long ago.



And the reasons are a heck of a lot more complex than 'they're Muslim,' and the solutions that are likely to work similarly not so one dimensional.

Also, no, the numbers are not nearly that slanted, either in ratio (there's around 25 million Arab Muslims in Algeria, 20 million Arab Muslims in Morocco and Yemen each, around 10 million more in Tunisia- 100x just those four countries is 7.5 billion, more than the population of the Earth, and those countries aren't exactly known for terrorism), or percentage of terrorist attacks (page on terrorist attacks in the US).



There was a white Christian terrorist attack this year, it hit a Church in Charleston.

There's the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting not long before.

The Oklahoma City bombing wasn't *that* long ago, and was as mentioned the second biggest in US history.

While they are not the most likely group to hit the US, they are the second most likely group to hit the US.






Repeating the word 'pathetic' doesn't change that the actual meaning ends up being, 'Q doesn't agree with your overly-simplistic take which doesn't actually help deal with attacks, and you want to dismiss that.'
Stopped reading at "islam doesn't condone terrorism."
Lol. Ok, buddy.

Another massive terrorist attack by the Islamic religion?

No way

Sung to the tune of tom petty free falling:

He's a libbo/
He loves Obama
He hates Jesus/
and America, too
He's a libbo
Crazy bout yoga
He loves hildog and his boyfriend too

Cuz he wants free....free abortions!

Originally posted by KidRock
Another massive terrorist attack by the Islamic religion?

No way
Isolated incident.

Europe is reaping what it sewed.

Do something before your country is consumed by those savages.

Originally posted by KidRock
Europe is reaping what it sewed.

Do something before your country is consumed by those savages.
I know a Muslim who isn't a terrorist. Therefore, using my liberal logic, that andecdote means you're fact based opinion is wrong.

Originally posted by Q99


Nor does Islam, on the whole. Smaller groups of either may do so.

Remember North Ireland? Christian religious fighting that went on for about 40 years with lots of terrorism, ended in '98? That's not exactly long ago.


Right one example of "Religious" fighting when the IRA weren't killing for religious motivations. I didn't know the IRA claimed an entire region of the world, was famous for invading other countries and subjugating their populace to dhimmi status and had archaic cultural practices straight from the stone age (genital mutiliation, stoning, apostate executions, beheadings.




I agree we should have a cultural dialogue, and talk to them about how the tenets of their religion talking about killing infidels, treating women like animals, and then attempt to understand their barbaric practices overall



Its the only religion in the world that's slamming planes into buildings, blowing up trains, can't tolerate criticism while its adherents live in Democratic societies, and seems to have a terrorist attack in varying countries every day. Also LOL @ mentioning US terrorism, again this is just one example of an attack in Europe, we aren't even counting the scores of examples from other Islamic groups across the globe killing their citizens.





Which was rightfully condemned, but a drop in the bucket compared to the multitudes of examples of Islamic terrorism



Islamic terrorism isn't just an issue in Europe or the US, so bringing up a few sordid examples of Lone wolf terrorists/or examples that occurred two decades ago doesn't help your case- when any observer of the news can go to the Middle east headlines and find out the antics of Isis or Al-Shabaab, or another Islamic group.

Originally posted by carthage

I agree we should have a cultural dialogue, and talk to them about how the tenets of their religion talking about killing infidels, treating women like animals, and then attempt to understand their barbaric practices overall


And we've got a lot of Arab Muslim countries where things are a whole lot better than others- walk around Morocco and you don't exactly have a lot to worry about in those areas.

One thing a lot of people don't realize is there is a relatively modern hard-line revival. The Arab world was liberalizing for a time, the word 'jihad' had pretty much fallen out of use, but the cold war triggered a nasty reaction (that the powers specifically encouraged because it was felt extremists would 'fight harder'. Yea, that was dumb).

And if things were stabilized, it'd be muuuch easier to push 'em into changing. Going boom hasn't helped with that. The Iraq war didn't reduce any of those things, did it?

It's not that I don't think they aren't bad. It's that I think "Grr, bomb them all!" (or worse, "Let's genocide them!" not only doesn't work, it's been tested and found to do the opposite of work, and if I don't like something, I want something done about it that actually works, not just what makes someone who's angry about it wants done to feel good.




It's not, there is a difference in amount, scale, and so on. And is often the case, the biggest targets of a demographic's terrorism, are members of that demographic.

But it does help to understand that it's happening for reasons, and not just because 'Muslims are bad' or 'Arabs are bad,' and that looking at it flatly doesn't help us reduce the amount of attacks.


More than likely? This was done by some of those people that all the Arab Muslim refugees are running from after all. And those groups popped up because of some very specific preventable circumstances.

What we should be doing is both quashing those groups, and avoiding the circumstances that lead to their creation in the first place- no more running in, dropping a lot of bombs, and leaving a power vacuum so that the craziest warlord with a gun can threaten everyone into following.

Emotive subject though this is, everyone needs to calm down and stop shouting at each other.

I will also not accept this thread being hijacked to push any sort of political agenda.

We don't need a wider analysis of terrorism here. Keep it to the topic.

This is terrible.

A truly despicable act on behalf of the group that committed these crimes. Any confirmation on whether a group has claimed responsibility?

ISIS has.

Originally posted by REXXXX
A truly despicable act on behalf of the group that committed these crimes. Any confirmation on whether a group has claimed responsibility?

I don't know if it's *confirmed* confirmed, but it looks like Daesh/Isis.


Btw, for those who don't know, there was also a Isis-linked bombing that killed 43 in Beirut a few days ago.


They really are the enemies of just about everyone who's not them.

It is confirmed, or are you as usual looking for any opportunity to blame someone else.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/14/french-police-report-shootout-and-explosion-in-paris/?intcmp=hpbt1

Your excuses don't matter. and you should be ashamed of yourself for turning this into politics like you have been.

Oh FFS who brought up the IRA without knowing all the facts about them...

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But yeah, **** ISIS. It's like they don't realise who they're messing with.

Anyone spoken to Bentley? How's he doing?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It is confirmed, or are you as usual looking for any opportunity to blame someone else.

Your excuses don't matter. and you should be ashamed of yourself for turning this into politics like you have been.


Please. You're the one who is trying to blame all Muslims. Like I've said repeatedly, I am entirely against blaming those who actually did it- I.e. Daesh/Isis.

I'll point out who kicked the predecessors of Isis out of Iraq in the first place- Sunni Muslims. Were it not for the Syrian situation, that'd likely have been the end of it.

There is a very large number of Arab Muslims who will gladly join us against Isis- or rather, are already fighting Isis.


I don't like your hate-filled view because it doesn't actually pay attention to who the enemy is, and plays into their hands and views of a grand culture clash- the message they use to try and get recruit. It's a diluted and weak approach, and won't help in the defeat of foes like Isis one bit.

I somehow missed the Beirut bombing (which is also a tragedy) and genuinely just hadn't seen the confirmation as I had been working then out with friends. Hard to follow the news when you're trying to celebrate a birthday.

My gut said ISIS... good to know I can trust it...

Originally posted by Q99
Please. You're the one who is trying to blame all Muslims.

I'll point out who kicked the predecessors of Isis out of Iraq in the first place- Sunni Muslims. Were it not for the Syrian situation, that'd likely have been the end of it.

There is a very large number of Arab Muslims who will gladly join us against Isis- or rather, are already fighting Isis.


I don't like your hate-filled view because it doesn't actually pay attention to who the enemy is, and plays into their hands and views of a grand culture clash- the message they use to try and get recruit. It's a diluted and weak approach, and won't help in the defeat of foes like Isis one bit.

Look at this dumb post, more political rhetoric.

I said it was ISIS, dumbass.

Originally posted by REXXXX
I somehow missed the Beirut bombing (which is also a tragedy) and genuinely just hadn't seen the confirmation as I had been working then out with friends. Hard to follow the news when you're trying to celebrate a birthday.

My gut said ISIS... good to know I can trust it...


I don't generally recommend trusting guts, it's always best to confirm, but yea, the French President has said Daesh did it. I'm curious as to how they found out, but that'll likely come out with time.



Btw, Daesh is the term that is officially used for them by France. It's more properly arabic and more disrespectful, it's widely used by their foes in the region.

Originally posted by Q99
I don't generally recommend trusting guts, it's always best to confirm, but yea, the French President has said Daesh did it. I'm curious as to how they found out, but that'll likely come out with time.

So you are telling him what to trust now, who made you the go to person on fact checking? One of the persons they captured said they were ISIS, are you mentally retarded, or looking for any out here to find someone else to blame?

T-I, enough of that, please.

Q99, I'd not heard the term Daesh before but I'm not normally very well-versed on the French and their part on the world stage.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Look at this dumb post, more political rhetoric.

I said it was ISIS, dumbass.


Eventually, yes.

My point is, it is only Isis who did so, and not whoever else some may want to blame, and not focusing on Isis is an error. The exact kind of error Isis wants us to make- indiscriminate action aids recruitment and all.

Sure, keep turning this political like you have been.

I hadn't heard the term either, here's an interesting article on it http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead

Since we've been changing what to call them (ISIS/ISIL/IS/etc.) maybe this is a good name to be using.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sure, keep turning this political like you have been.

Are you ****ing kidding?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Who gives a ****, what the **** are they gonna do! Genocide the middle east, what can the ****ing world do!?

Nothing! No on can do anything against this.

And this will be forgotten!!! JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

JUST LIKE 9/11

Then it will be back to Muslim sympathizing as usual

This world is ****ed! And thats all there is to it!


You were the one turning this political, don't play innocent. Additionally you've been told to drop it by two mods...seriously, wtf?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I hadn't heard the term either, here's an interesting article on it http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead

Since we've been changing what to call them (ISIS/ISIL/IS) etc. maybe this is a good name to be using.


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The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a bit of a misnomer, says France, as it lends the imprimatur of Islam to a group that the vast majority of Muslims finds despicable. "This is a terrorist group and not a state. I do not recommend using the term Islamic State because it blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists," France's Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in a statement. "The Arabs call it 'Daesh' and I will be calling them the 'Daesh cutthroats.'"
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This really sums it up doesn't it? Makes it clear they have no legitimacy, more accurate, and they don't like it one bit.

I hope more other countries adopt using it. Especially since France lead the way.

Indeed. A quick review of the conversation indicates that you turned it political, T-I. Again, I advise that you drop that accusation.

I'm tired so I'm not totally wrapping my head around the Daesh term, but I get the gist. Who normally uses it, aside from the French (now)?

EDIT: Answered my own question by re-reading

Apparently Daesh is basically the acronym "ISIL" in Arabic, but it also is an insult....two birds one stone.

Got it now. And I like it.

Here's a page that goes into a bit more depth


It even has multiple possible insulting meanings. It can mean 'to trample underfoot' (in general, the bottom of the foot is considered pretty insulting in arab cultures. Tossing a shoe at someone is a great insult, and so on), or, poetically, "felon and dust".

Daesh sounds like the guy from the Bourne movies and therefore a compliment, how about we just call them rag head pussys?

I am convinced Q99 is a closet Muslim smartass.

It was fairly obvious that it was an attack from an Islamic terrorist group, even prior to the confirmation by Pres. Hollande and Fox News. Anyone conscious to the state of current affairs knew it.

It's a tragedy. Such acts of Terror, and it doesn't matter if from single persons, terroristic organisations or governments, should be punished by the rest of the worlds. Now, if one understands why people from Syria, Afghanistan and Irak flee, they have to live with such acts of terror on a daily basis. I would flee too. Palestina has to live with such a terror too.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I am convinced Q99 is a closet Muslim smartass.

It was fairly obvious that it was an attack from an Islamic terrorist group, even prior to the confirmation by Pres. Hollande and Fox News. Anyone conscious to the state of current affairs knew it.

Maybe we shouldn't buy into TI's lies that Q99 actually said that though. In fact he said that it is most likely to be an Islamist terrorist attack, the discussion however shifted to the greater topic of Islamophobia as portrayed by people like TI and Star in this thread.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Daesh sounds like the guy from the Bourne movies and therefore a compliment, how about we just call them rag head pussys?

Consider this a warning, T-I. I'm not going to tolerate this sort of ignorance and casual racism, especially after I already told you to shut it down. Next one is a temp ban.

I'm going to make that a blanket warning to quell the Islamophobia in this thread. You can be anti-ISIS all you want (and I very much am myself, they're ruining the world for everyone, in their neighborhood and abroad). But I'm not accepting epithets and slurs. Keep those to yourself or reassess your world view.

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I spoke with my coworker this morning, who spent most of his life in Iraq. He laughed when I brought up the phrase "Daesh" and happily broke down the phonetics and background. I found it amusing.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe we shouldn't buy into TI's lies that Q99 actually said that though. In fact he said that it is most likely to be an Islamist terrorist attack, the discussion however shifted to the greater topic of Islamophobia as portrayed by people like TI and Star in this thread.

Lol, clearly he was talking and saying two separate things, unless you can prove otherwise.

Saying Q99 is a Islamic smartass has nothing do with blaming who was responsible. As well, he did not claim Q99 didn't say ISIS was responsible.

As we all knew it would come down to you blaming Star and myself for the attacks.

You are just trying to take what he said, and misdirect it on me.

Again, won't work.

I'm going to assume you didn't see my post, T-I. Please consider editing yours out.

Oh so I am not allowed to post anymore? If you are going to tell me I can't speak on the topic, you have to tell Bardock as well, as he continued about it as well directing other peoples that had noting to do with me, against me. You specifically said to not say casual racism stuff. If you can point out how I did after you said not to, I will edit it out.

You are more than welcome to post. Carry on a civil discussion about the tragedy without derailing the thread or attacking others, or opt to find another thread to post in. The choice is entirely yours.

Also, "Islamic smartass." Not gonna fly.

Originally posted by KidRock
Europe is reaping what it sewed.

Do something before your country is consumed by those savages. Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It is confirmed, or are you as usual looking for any opportunity to blame someone else.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/14/french-police-report-shootout-and-explosion-in-paris/?intcmp=hpbt1

Your excuses don't matter. and you should be ashamed of yourself for turning this into politics like you have been.






Remember though, TI. Fox news are liars according to the left. CNN is the most trusted news source.

Originally posted by long pig
You're pathetic.
1. Christianity doesn't support terrorism.

2. European culture doesn't either.

3. Whites outnumber Arab Muslims 100 to 1, yet non whites Muslims commit 90+ % of terrorism here.

4. Identifying an anomaly doesn't disprove white Christians are unlikely terrorists here and now.

You know what you're doing, and its pathetic. Originally posted by long pig
This is a tragedy, but the french sickness of political correctness and liberalism makes these attacks an inevitability. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more.
The french openly invite and house extremist Muslims. They give them political power well above their respective citizenship percentage.

Its literally illegal to talk against Islam.

They are weak, and terrorists always take the low hanging fruit. Originally posted by long pig
Stopped reading at "islam doesn't condone terrorism."
Lol. Ok, buddy.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

As we all knew it would come down to you blaming Star and myself for the attacks.


That's insane. Of course I do not blame either of you for the attacks...

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I am convinced Q99 is a closet Muslim smartass.

It was fairly obvious that it was an attack from an Islamic terrorist group, even prior to the confirmation by Pres. Hollande and Fox News. Anyone conscious to the state of current affairs knew it.

Terrorism knows no religion...
ISIS does not represent Islam...

Ha-ha breaking news!

He was a Syrian "refugee" .....like I said they were. There you go, libs. This is your fault.

Haha how funny 127 dead

This event was absolutely tragic. I hope this sparks the Western superpowers to rally together and take action asap, before this madness spreads even further. They have to eliminate the root of this evil, and that is Al-Baghdadi and his senior officers. I don't want to see this get dragged on for years, wasting countless lives and resources, like the war on Al-Qaeda and the long-overdue assassination of Osama bin Laden.

Originally posted by The Ecks
Haha how funny 127 dead
No, ha-ha at those idiot libbos for guilt tripping everyone to take in these terrorists.

I told you so.

Well, that's that for him.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/14/paris-terror-attacks-attackers-dead-mass-killing-live-updates


Apparently one of the attackers was a Frenchman from near Paris. 3 others are suspected to have come from a neighbourhood in Brussels. And there was a Syrian passport found on one of the attackers. Still very early, the identity of the attackers should become clearer in the next days.

Originally posted by REXXXX
You are more than welcome to post. Carry on a civil discussion about the tragedy without derailing the thread or attacking others, or opt to find another thread to post in. The choice is entirely yours.

Also, "Islamic smartass." Not gonna fly.

I didn't say that though, Asbestos did, I was responding/mentioning that to what he said. Can we agree on that? I'm fine with not saying it again, but I don't think quoting what someone else is saying is considered intentional unless you warned him him and then said that could not be commented on. Truthfully I didn't even know what it meant, nor do I think it was racist, as anyone can be a smartass it just sounded a bit funny to be honest cause he was giving Q99 some grief.

Here was the original post, I think you might have missed it.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I am convinced Q99 is a closet Muslim smartass.

It was fairly obvious that it was an attack from an Islamic terrorist group, even prior to the confirmation by Pres. Hollande and Fox News. Anyone conscious to the state of current affairs knew it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/14/paris-terror-attacks-attackers-dead-mass-killing-live-updates


Apparently one of the attackers was a Frenchman from near Paris. 3 others are suspected to have come from a neighbourhood in Brussels. And there was a Syrian passport found on one of the attackers. Still very early, the identity of the attackers should become clearer in the next days.
Does it matter? He was part of ISIS and killed innocent civilians. Race has nothing to with this.