Originally posted by SquallX
It's been yrs since i read Bastard, but i know for sure, no one in DBZ can beat Dark.
1. Doesn't matter that Goku fought ghost before, the question is, can he attack Dark in just the physical, but mental and Astral plane all at once? The answer to that is no. Dark needs to be kill in all three planes of existence at the sae time to truly kill him. Or he'll just regenerate.
2. I'll give you that, might have remembered it wrong, but Dipesl Bound can be regenerated at the speed of light, and one shield is able to protect from one attack no matter the level. When Dark and Uriel were fighting each other, they were exchanging blows in the millions. This is what Raphael stated, and i quote" In Seconds, Millions of Attacks and counters are been exchanged. That statement was used to show there levels of powers and speed. It went further when Ninja Master Gaara saw there fight, he claimed, and i quote again "these two monsters are exchanging Infinite Attacks and Counters.
3. Buu's limited to his Ki, where as Dark is not. As long as Dark have one Eternal Atoms left, he cannot die, period! Not only that, Goku would have to kill him in the Physical, Asrtral and Mental plane all at the same time. Something Goku cannot do.
4. Maybe you're right, but Judas Pain was claimed to amp Dark's magical attacks in several millions time ran range. Not only that, the jewels are said to have the power equal to a Black Hole and the Black Abyss, that was stated to have the Mass of 50 Billion suns, and enough power to destroy a galaxy. But they went further and stating that to break out of the Black Abyss something of equal of energy is required. The amount needed was equivalent to the Big Bang itself.
5. Wrong again, Adam of of Darkness proved how powerful that form really is. Dark and Uriel's combine attacked destroyed the Black Abyss, the same Black Abyss that you needed the power equivalent of the Big Bang to destroy. Not only that, Satan, Dark's father created a Universe, yet he claimed the power he posses is nothing but an imitation compared to Gods power. It's further explained, that the ony pwerson that might be on God's level, is Adam Of Darkness.
Overall, nothing Goku have in his disposal can stop Dark form killing him, where as Dark would have a field day in killing Goku and the rest f the DBZ verse.
Another thing, Dark's clone are as powerful as he is, he's abilities, are there abilities.
Yeah, no one in DBZ. Other than possibly Vegetto. And POSSIBLY Buuhan.
1. Um... Actually, it does. Goku has fought people who exist only on the Mental and Astral planes, with the same ki attacks he uses to fight people on the physical plane. Meaning that he, along with EVERY CHARACTER THAT USES KI, can attack all three planes at the same time.
2. What is your point here? Beerus flew across hundreds of galaxies in less than 20 seconds. A galaxy is, on average, approximately 100,000 light years in in diameter. Assuming Beerus flew through only 100 of them, that is a total of 10,000,000, that's TEN MILLION light years, which he crossed in under 20 seconds.
Clearly you don't understand the degree of speed this feat implies. A light year is the amount of distance that light can travel in an Earth year. Light travels at approximately 186,000 miles per second. Meaning about 669,600,000 miles per hour. Meaning that a light year is the equivalent of 5,865,696,000,000, THAT'S 5.8 TRILLION MILES. So we then multiply that by 100,000, and get 586,569,600,000,000,000 miles, 586 quadrillion miles, which is the approximate average diameter of a spiral galaxy. We then multiply this by 100, and get 58,656,960,000,000,000,000, 58 QUINTILLION miles. That's the distance that Beerus travelled in TWENTY SECONDS.
This means he flew at 2,932,848,000,000,000,000, 2.9 quintillion, miles per second. Light only moves at 186,000 miles per second. This means Beerus is OVER 15,768,000,000,000, that's FIFTEEN TRILLION, times faster than the speed of light. This is just his travel speed. DBZ/S is notorious for having faster combat speed than travel speed. But this calc works as a BARE MINIMUM.
This feat alone proves that DS couldn't dream of keeping up with Beerus, even in his most powerful forms.
3. Goku definitely can attack all three at the same time, as I've already proven. And Buu is not limited to his ki. He regenerates endlessly, just as DS does. Unless his base atoms are erased. Which is the same way you need to kill DS. Beerus or Goku have destructive capacity strong enough to completely break Dispel Bound, and are capable of killing DS on all three planes. ALL WITH ONE ATTACK.
4. You have no idea what you're talking about. The Judas Pain was a jewel that amps DS's power by millions of times. The feats you're talking about, he accomplished WITH the Judas Pain. And he was approximately 7,000 times FTL before he obtained it. Which means that even if the Judas Pain made him A BILLION times stronger/faster, which it doesn't, he'd still be OVER A MILLION TIMES SLOWER THAN BEERUS. And even WITH the Judas Pain, he's only a galaxy buster. That makes Beerus and Goku TRILLIONS of times stronger than him.
5. You don't need the power of the big bang to destroy the Black Abyss you need the power to destroy a galaxy. Which is... How strong DS is.
And all the Adam of Darkness form has is hyperbole, SUGGESTING that he MIGHT be god's peer. It is featless, and all the statements describing it are hyperbole.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Not only would DS not be able to see Goku or Beerus, to fight them in the first place, but even if they slowed down for him, he wouldn't be able to put a SCRATCH on them.
There is a reason DS lost to TTGL in the vs forums.
