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Mace Windu somehow survives his fall from Palpatine's office and comes back (with a new hand) to take out Vader. He confronts Vader after Kanan and Ezra escaped in Rebels. Who wins?
1. Sabers
2. Force
3. All out

Vader in all 3. Better than Palpatine and with the new TK feats + Lucas' statement of being 80 percent of Palpatines' power (with said feats to back that up) probably makes Vader whomp.

The Kar Vastor comparisons imply that Vader is solidly above Windu in every manner.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The Kar Vastor comparisons imply that Vader is solidly above Windu in every manner. Kar Vastor comparisons? I'm not familiar.

Vader blows Mace up

I forgot who exactly said this, but some Clone Wars vet when he saw Vader said that before he met him, the most potent expression of the Dark side he's ever felt was Kar Vastor but now that he met Vader, Vader>>>him completely. Mace had difficulty with Kar Vastor in Shatterpoint, although there should have been some circumstances IIRC.

It was Nick Rostu.

Nick Rostu says Kar Vastor wouldn't stand a chance against Darth Vader and that Vader was far more powerful. On the other hand Mace Windu admits he wouldn't beat Vastor on his best day.

Fair enough, nice research.

Vader being above Sidious in sabers due to raw skill, not a Vaapad loop as was the case in Windu's victory. I would say Vader is certainly more skilled in sabers.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Vader being above Sidious in sabers due to raw skill

I thought that was not-canon, in case we are thinking about the same thing.

His lightsaber skills are called unparelelled in his time.

That's before Vader's time though and is more talking about his efforts within the Jedi Order itself. Vader's time, the Dark Times, puts him above Palps however.

Originally posted by AncientPower
That's before Vader's time though and is more talking about his efforts within the Jedi Order itself. Vader's time, the Dark Times, puts him above Palps however.

Well it's says unmatched, even if it would only include the Order (which there is no proof of) it would mean Mace > Yoda. Yoda who disarmed Sidious, and Sidious constantly tried to create distance so he doesn't have to engage Yoda blade to blade.

As for Vader, his quote is coming from the TFU II guide. Which is before ANH. During ANH Vader fought evenly with Ben Kenobi, who was a serious threat to him, yet they were both called a shadow of their former self. Prime Kenobi being at best equal to Mace would suggest that Mace >= Prime Kenobi > ANH Vader >= Ben Kenobi > TFU II Vader.

So that accolade is not the end-all and be-all imo.

Firstly Lightsaber skill has a much broader meaning than just Fencing skill. Given Jedi don't have sword to sword fights for 90%+ of their Saber wielding time.

Second it was Mace's own opinion. Not canon fact. Mace also tells Obi-Wan that him and Kenobi are peers in swordmanship.

And Thirdly in a sword fight Power in the Force tends to play at least as important a part as Skill, if not more so.

Know what is canon fact? Vader>Sidious. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/922207309.gif

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Know what is canon fact? Vader>Sidious. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/922207309.gif


Only in Wielding a Red Saber.. Not.. in.. Fencing. Same as Mace with his Purple Saber.

AHA GOTCHA!

*****.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Mace also tells Obi-Wan that him and Kenobi are peers in swordmanship.

They actually are

It's also stated by Luke that Kar Vastor was the most powerful nexus of the dark side he'd felt since the maelstrom unleashed during Emperor's death.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Know what is canon fact? Vader>Sidious. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/922207309.gif

Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's also stated by Luke that Kar Vastor was the most powerful nexus of the dark side he'd felt since the maelstrom unleashed during Emperor's death.


Meaning Post ROTJ Vastor >> Vader > Palpatine > CW Vastor > Windu

...Vader, narrowly. Assuming Mace can't go Vapaad on Vader as the thing Vader hates most is himself.

...neither of these guys are a match for Sidious, though. 80%<100%.

Vader's killing Windu in the votes at least.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Know what is canon fact? Vader>Sidious. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/922207309.gif excellent

Vader is more powerful in the force.

Vader and Mace are likely even in speed. Though tbh I'm not the best judge of speed feats.

Vader is more durable.

Endurance is debatable.

Vader is stronger.

Vader and Mace should be about as skilled considering the various opponents they've faced.

Vader's suit restricts his mobility and Mace has shatterpoint and possibly Vaapad from which to draw from.

It's a close fight but I'd favor Vader.

Mace has a chance at Sabers but fails in force and all out

Originally posted by Kurk
Mace has a chance at Sabers but fails in force and all out

Agreed.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Vader's killing Windu in the votes at least.

Sheep.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sheep.

Oh? The vote is hidden before people cast their votes though.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Endurance is debatable.
Didn't Vader's suit enhance his stamina?

Originally posted by Rebel95
Didn't Vader's suit enhance his stamina?

It did but it probably only gives him about as much extra physical endurance as the force would have when he was whole.

I just viewed the Vader Down thread though and if we take those feats into account he should hold an edge over Mace in endurance.

Originally posted by Rebel95


I can't tell if that's sarcastic because of my multiple edits or sincere congratulations on my reasoning. xD

Originally posted by Syndicate
Oh? The vote is hidden before people cast their votes though. I just voted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just voted.

I think I can hazard a guess at who you voted for. :P

Originally posted by Syndicate
I think I can hazard a guess at who you voted for. :P Windu despite the lameness of the Jedi.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu despite the lameness of the Jedi.

*Nods* Fair enough. It's a fight that could go either way.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I can't tell if that's sarcastic because of my multiple edits or sincere congratulations on my reasoning. xD It was sincere, I posted before you even edited your post I think lol

Originally posted by Syndicate
*Nods* Fair enough. It's a fight that could go either way. I personally don't think so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I personally don't think so.

Interesting. Why do you think that?

Originally posted by Rebel95
It was sincere, I posted before you even edited your post I think lol

Thank you then. This post is sincere btw ( incase you're as paranoid as I am :P ).

Originally posted by Syndicate
Interesting. Why do you think that? Vader IMO can't contend with Sidious and Windu weathered his attacks and came out on top. Windu has no shame in his game. Vader has a lot of bad moments IMO.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader IMO can't contend with Sidious and Windu weathered his attacks and came out on top. Windu has no shame in his game. Vader has a lot of bad moments IMO.

Oh. Are you one of those that believe Mace is always at the level he was when he faced Sidious?

Originally posted by Syndicate
Oh. Are you one of those that believe Mace is always at the level he was when he faced Sidious? I argue based off what I have seen. He stalemated Talzin also who was very powerful. Windu was never beaten in fair combat. Who else can that be said of ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I argue based off what I have seen. He stalemated Talzin also who was very powerful. Windu was never beaten in fair combat. Who else can that be said of ?

Talzin doesn't have comparable skill with a lightsaber/melee weapon other then what I'm assuming is basic Nightsister training. She likely only stalemated him because as you put it she was "very powerful."

Depending on what fair combat means to you... Also he was beaten by both Yoda and Dooku in sparring matches and failed to gain any definitive advantages against an immobile Grievous.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Talzin doesn't have comparable skill with a lightsaber/melee weapon other then what I'm assuming is basic Nightsister training. She likely only stalemated him because as you put it she was "very powerful."

Depending on what fair combat means to you... Also he was beaten by both Yoda and Dooku in sparring matches and failed to gain any definitive advantages against an immobile Grievous. Well she was weakened against Palpatine after reacquiring a body and stalemated him until he needed a three on one advantage.

When in continuity was he defeated by either of them ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well she was weakened against Palpatine after reacquiring a body and stalemated him until he needed a three on one advantage.

When in continuity was he defeated by either of them ?

The details of SoD elude me right now. Who were the two aiding Sidious?

When Dooku was still with the Jedi Order.

Originally posted by Syndicate
The details of SoD elude me right now. Who were the two aiding Sidious?

When Dooku was still with the Jedi Order. Dooku and Grievous.

When was that alluded to in continuity ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku and Grievous.

When was that alluded to in continuity ?

Can you pull up the scans of this for me? I need to know the context.

Let me find the quote.

"Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective."

There are further quotes mentioning that after Dooku left the order he only grew in power and skill signifying to me that he is superior to Mace in these areas. Though that's of course up to debate.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Can you pull up the scans of this for me? I need to know the context.

Let me find the quote. I do not have the scans or the comic on my iPad. Basically they are both shooting force lightning against her magical power and Grievous walked up and killed her. Maul had to leave and with the three on one advantage she died.

Originally posted by Syndicate
"Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective."

There are further quotes mentioning that after Dooku left the order he only grew in power and skill signifying to me that he is superior to Mace in these areas. Though that's of course up to debate. What is that quote from ?

Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Power_of_the_Jedi

Originally posted by Syndicate
Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Power_of_the_Jedi Never heard of it before. Is that considered canon ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Never heard of it before. Is that considered canon ?

Disney canon, Lucas canon or old canon? Personally I count it.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Disney canon, Lucas canon or old canon? Personally I count it. Disney canon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Disney canon.

Nope.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Nope. Then it's no good to me. Even if it was we don't know the context of the fights.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then it's no good to me. Even if it was we don't know the context of the fights.

I understand and respect your position.

They were sparring matches.

Night mate. I'll respond to anything tommorow.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I understand and respect your position.Now that's something you don't hear on KMC everyday.

Even in Disney Canon Yoda is still of the opinion that Dooku was the Jedi's strongest student. Not Mace.

Confirmed in "Star Wars Everything you Need to Know"- part of the Journey to the Force Awakens series, so nothing Quan would be interested in purchasing, given he's Faking being TFA's no.1 fan .

Not saying Dooku > Mace, but just saying that part of Dooku's history with the Jedi is still Canon.


Anyway Vader's clearly stomped in the poll.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do not have the scans or the comic on my iPad. Basically they are both shooting force lightning against her magical power and Grievous walked up and killed her. Maul had to leave and with the three on one advantage she died.

So you finally admit you don't have any scans.

You finally admit there is no proof that Talzin was weakend.

With that you finally admit there is no definitive way to prove Talzin is more powerful than Darth Sidious.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Even in Disney Canon Yoda is still of the opinion that Dooku was the Jedi's strongest student. Not Mace.

Confirmed in "Star Wars Everything you Need to Know"- part of the Journey to the Force Awakens series, so nothing Quan would be interested in purchasing, given he's Faking being TFA's no.1 fan .

Not saying Dooku > Mace, but just saying that part of Dooku's history with the Jedi is still Canon.


Anyway Vader's clearly stomped in the poll. Opinion based isn't factual information. Yoda also thought he could beat Palpatine and he was dead wrong. Opinions aren't facts. Yoda's brilliance saw the entire Jedi order crushed and burned to the ground. Facts matter.

I have my two Ren shirts, tickets, and Kylo Ren action figure. You're not on my level.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Now that's something you don't hear on KMC everyday. Honesty. I know.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you finally admit you don't have any scans.

You finally admit there is no proof that Talzin was weakend.

With that you finally admit there is no definitive way to prove Talzin is more powerful than Darth Sidious.

Scans exist I just don't have them on me.

The comic exists and I've seen it. Talzin is greater than Sidious much to the shame of his fanatical fans.

I'll attempt to find the scans. I just need to know the context of the scene. Galen was able to contend with Sidious for a time before the build up of energy killed him while Sidious came out relatively unscathed. A similar situation could be going on regarding Talzin vs Sidious and Dooku meaning her being more powerful then Sidious would be questionable.

Aside from that I find it strange that Talzin didn't really employ her powers against Mace in their fight. I'm going to go back and rewatch that episode to get some context for that fight. Perhaps Talzin was hampered in some way.

Found it.

So Talzin and Sidious stalemated.

Talzin and Maul vs Sidious and Dooku made Talzin believe they could not win the battle ( which makes sense given Dooku is more powerful then Maul ) and caused her to send Maul away.

Talzin then briefly held her own against the combined attack of Dooku and Sidious before being cut down by Grievous.

So she's a Sidious level force/magic user.

She was disarmed by Sidious rather easily it seems. Granted this isn't necessarily a bad showing as sword masters have fallen to Sidious in seconds. It just doesn't give us a tangible scope of her abilities in force augmentation and her overall skill.

This actually further supports the idea that Mace is not on par with Sidious without an amp as he only managed to stalemate Talzin while Sidious was able to disarm her. Granted their were circumstantial factors in her fight against Sidious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Scans exist I just don't have them on me.

The comic exists and I've seen it. Talzin is greater than Sidious much to the shame of his fanatical fans.

Well you've never proved how. She was capable of stalemtaing on that planet which amps her more than any other character she couldn't beat Sidious.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Found it.

So Talzin and Sidious stalemated.

Talzin and Maul vs Sidious and Dooku made Talzin believe they could not win the battle ( which makes sense given Dooku is more powerful then Maul ) and caused her to send Maul away.

Talzin then briefly held her own against the combined attack of Dooku and Sidious before being cut down by Grievous.

So she's a Sidious level force/magic user.

She was disarmed by Sidious rather easily it seems. Granted this isn't necessarily a bad showing as sword masters have fallen to Sidious in seconds. It just doesn't give us a tangible scope of her abilities in force augmentation and her overall skill.

This actually further supports the idea that Mace is not on par with Sidious without an amp as he only managed to stalemate Talzin while Sidious was able to disarm her. Granted their were circumstantial factors in her fight against Sidious.

Yea. Only objection is that Talzin is equal to Sidious. They were on Dathomir which amps her more than any other character. The area she was in was said to be the Heart of Her Power so yea. My only problem.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well you've never proved how. She was capable of stalemtaing on that planet which amps her more than any other character she couldn't beat Sidious. Baseless claims. Prove it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea. Only objection is that Talzin is equal to Sidious. They were on Dathomir which amps her more than any other character. The area she was in was said to be the Heart of Her Power so yea. My only problem.

Skipped to the fight so I didn't know the context. Thanks for that tidbit. Do you have a quote saying that Dathomir amped her powers though?

Originally posted by Syndicate
Skipped to the fight so I didn't know the context. Thanks for that tidbit. Do you have a quote saying that Dathomir amped her powers though?

It was said it was the heart of her power so at her most powerful and in the EU she and the other nightsisters are stronger on Dathomir. Also quotes from Ventress in Dark Disciple also back this up. You'll also find here that we will say Talzin has her Dathomir feats because she performs more powerful feats on Dathomir.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Baseless claims. Prove it.

All she did was stalemate. Neither one was more powerful. If she were more powerful she would have overwhelmed him would she not?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It was said it was the heart of her power so at her most powerful and in the EU she and the other nightsisters are stronger on Dathomir. Also quotes from Ventress in Dark Disciple also back this up. You'll also find here that we will say Talzin has her Dathomir feats because she performs more powerful feats on Dathomir.

So basically feat comparisons, character comments and sound reasoning. I can support that.

Originally posted by Syndicate
So basically feat comparisons, character comments and sound reasoning. I can support that.

Cool. Also why the ritual on Dathomir and not any old planet like what she was trying to do in TCW?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Cool. Also why the ritual on Dathomir and not any old planet like what she was trying to do in TCW?

Well there is the matter of convenience as she was already on planet but I understand what you mean.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Well there is the matter of convenience as she was already on planet but I understand what you mean.

I like this guy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
All she did was stalemate. Neither one was more powerful. If she were more powerful she would have overwhelmed him would she not? She held off Dooku and Palpatine. She was also weakened due to reacquiring a body.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She held off Dooku and Palpatine. She was also weakened due to reacquiring a body.

Not what I asked. If she was more powerful than why didn't she overpower Sidious when it was just them one on one? Post where it says she was weakened. If you don't post it then you concede.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not what I asked. If she was more powerful than why didn't she overpower Sidious when it was just them one on one? Post where it says she was weakened. If you don't post it then you concede. Due to her being weakened. Quit asking me questions you already know the answers to. She held off while weakened both Dooku and Sidious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to her being weakened. Quit asking me questions you already know the answers to. She held off while weakened both Dooku and Sidious.

So you concede since you didn't show the proof. Show the proof she was weakened.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you concede since you didn't show the proof. Show the proof she was weakened. I never said I posted the scan. You've already seen it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said I posted the scan. You've already seen it.

You can find the scan saying she was weakened. The comic itself is on YouTube. Show the proof or concede. Not that hard to do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You can find the scan saying she was weakened. The comic itself is on YouTube. Show the proof or concede. Not that hard to do. We have already discussed this. Sad that Palpatine can't even beat a weakened opponent with a 2 on 1 advantage.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have already discussed this. Sad that Palpatine can't even beat a weakened opponent with a 2 on 1 advantage.

Yes and we agreed there is no scan saying she was weakened so you concede, good to know.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes and we agreed there is no scan saying she was weakened so you concede, good to know. There is a scan but nothing saying after she required a body she was amped.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes and we agreed there is no scan saying she was weakened so you concede, good to know.


Actually it's confirmed Talzin was weakened when she fought Windu.

Whilst she may have been weakened when fighting Palpatine she was also at her own personal nexus. So pretty unlikely she would have been weaker than when she fought Mace.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Actually it's confirmed Talzin was weakened when she fought Windu.

Whilst she may have been weakened when fighting Palpatine she was also at her own personal nexus. So pretty unlikely she would have been weaker than when she fought Mace.

Why was she weakened when she fought Mace?

Originally posted by Syndicate
Why was she weakened when she fought Mace?


Because she wasn't in her full form since she expended energy reviving Maul.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Actually it's confirmed Talzin was weakened when she fought Windu.

Whilst she may have been weakened when fighting Palpatine she was also at her own personal nexus. So pretty unlikely she would have been weaker than when she fought Mace.

We mean sidious and there was nothing saying she was weakens there, quite the reverse. It's says she may have been weakened but never confirms it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because she wasn't in her full form since she expended energy reviving Maul.

Interesting. I'd need more evidence from the timeline to support this but it's quite possible.

^ That was the whole point of the ritual in SOD, to restore her to her full power.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ That was the whole point of the ritual in SOD, to restore her to her full power.

Can I get a quote or scan backing this up?

Originally posted by Syndicate
Can I get a quote or scan backing this up?

Yes but not right now. Not got my copy of SOD on me.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
We mean sidious and there was nothing saying she was weakens there, quite the reverse. It's says she may have been weakened but never confirms it. It never says she was amped either. It makes no sense for a storyteller to says he could be weakened after this process or more powerful than ever before. In fact they never once claim that so you have no proof either way just wishful thinking.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It never says she was amped either. It makes no sense for a storyteller to says he could be weakened after this process or more powerful than ever before. In fact they never once claim that so you have no proof either way just wishful thinking.

Dathomir is the planet which her own personal nexus. We have been over this several times.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Dathomir is the planet which her own personal nexus. We have been over this several times. The line already addressed what state she would be in so the writer already factored that in when making the statement.

Tbh I'd go Mace right now. Could be convinced otherwise, or solidified in my stance though.

I think it depends how the fight goes. Vader definitely has the force edge, but if he doesn't use that to his advantage I could see him losing. His limited mobility would be a huge disadvantage in a saber fight against Mace.

Honestly can go either way.

These are the 2 ultimate dark side and light side combatants (after Yoda and Palpatine of course).

Darth Plagueis and Luke Skywalker. no

Vader wins

Mace wins with ease

Mace spanks him.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Darth Plagueis and Luke Skywalker. no

Why is Snoke the ultimate darksider, iyo?

Mace takes sabers and Vader takes force. It's a coin flip on who wins an all out fight.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Darth Plagueis and Luke Skywalker. no


Luke's above the mortal tier system.

Meh to Plagueis.

Originally posted by deathslash
Mace takes sabers and Vader takes force. It's a coin flip on who wins an all out fight.
Mace's Vapaad likely tips things in his favor

Vader is stronger and depending on what time period Vader is he's definitely better with the Force and with saber combat in general; what he may lack in finesse his cybernetics more than make up for in strength

Windu smokes him.

Vader, assuming he's in his prime.

Mace wins if we're going by the rules specified in the OP, though.

Originally posted by relentless1
Vader is stronger and depending on what time period Vader is he's definitely better with the Force and with saber combat in general; what he may lack in finesse his cybernetics more than make up for in strength
There's noting that places Vader on par, let alone superior to Mace as a duelist.

Originally posted by Rebel95
I think it depends how the fight goes. Vader definitely has the force edge, but if he doesn't use that to his advantage I could see him losing. His limited mobility would be a huge disadvantage in a saber fight against Mace. Did the force edge for Yoda beat Dooku ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did the force edge for Yoda beat Dooku ?
He certainly wasn't losing. And Yoda doesn't use the force offensively like Vader does anyways so that's kinda a poor comparison

Originally posted by Rebel95
He certainly wasn't losing. And Yoda doesn't use the force offensively like Vader does anyways so that's kinda a poor comparison and when he did use it offensively against Dooku's superior (palpatine), he ragdolled him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did the force edge for Yoda beat Dooku ?


The "Force edge" made Dooku Palpatine's b**** from across the galaxy.

Also made Ventress a non factor to Yoda, and Maul a joke to Sidious.

Legends goes to Mace due to Vapaad and Vader not being as high as a duelist

Canon could go either way as Mace no longer has the super conductive loop to turn things in his favor and in canon even a significantly pre-prime Vader could be argued to be a Dooku level duelist.

Vader wins if this is canon. He's an elite duelist and is probably the 3rd most powerful force user after Sidious and Yoda.

Legends is a different story. Like I said earlier, it depends how the fight goes. If Vader uses his superior force powers to his advantage, he could win. But if it's more of a lightsaber duel, Mace probably wins.

Windu wins.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Vader wins if this is canon.
???????

Canon Vader dies; Legends Vader wins

Does Legends Vader ragdoll Az? Isn't your position that ROTJ Sheev ragdolls Vader, Vader ragdolls ROTS Sheev, and Sheev>Windu?

Legends: Mace b/c Vaapad OP
Canon: Vader really, but arguments can be made for Mace

Canon Vader is vastly overrated. I am disgusted.

Yea, Canon Vader has a stronger argument than Legends Vader. In legends, Vapaad basically gives Mace the win as it negates Vader's advantage here, power.

And yes, Mace would retain the inner darkness he recieved before his bout with Palpatine. As we've seen, the inner darkness Mace recieves from what he confronts is not something that dissapates after said confrontations:

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yea, Canon Vader has a stronger argument than Legends Vader.

Lmfao, absolutely not.

Why not?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Does Legends Vader ragdoll Az? Isn't your position that ROTJ Sheev ragdolls Vader, Vader ragdolls ROTS Sheev, and Sheev>Windu?

Still not sure on Vader ragdolling RotS Sheev, but yeah, he probably does ragdoll Windu.

Originally posted by Azronger
Still not sure on Vader ragdolling RotS Sheev

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lmfao, absolutely not.
Legends Vader gets Vapaad'd,

Canon Vader's arguable superior power could actually be useful

Vader rapes Mace with the force

Originally posted by carthage
Vader rapes Mace with the force Like Sidious did?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Like Sidious did?


Doesn't matter cause Vader ragdolled Sidious

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Doesn't matter cause Vader ragdolled Sidious
Keep your wetdreams to yourself.

-

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Keep your wetdreams to yourself.


My wet dreams have been published in comic book form

https://youtu.be/bqUc6xPdkec

biggest clickbait i've seen in sometime

No shit.

"MACE WINDU IS BACK!!!"

...during a VISION Vader had in a comic released 2 f*cking years ago.


Next video: "YO GUYS... YADDLE IS BACK, TOO!!!"

Dipshit.

I feel like Vader is the exact sort of opponent Mace was born to fight. Straight forward, brute-strength fighting style and raw aggressive dark side usage seems like a good match-up for Mace to Vapaad him to death.

Mace Windu in all 3.
In Sabers his only equal was Depa Billiba until he defeated Sidious. That statement about Depa is no longer true. And with Vaapad being the most logical choice against Vader this would be Vaapad's second ultimate test.

In Force powers is where Vader Fans underestimate Mace Windu the most.
When it comes to the Force Mace is no slouch. All the Telekinectic abilities that Vader possesses Mace has them as well so I would call slight equals. How they use their key signature abilities would be the tie breaker.

All out?! It depends on Windu's state of mind and recognising Anakin as Vader.
Even if he doesn't recognize Anakin as Vader something familiar about Vader will remind him of fighting for more than just his life.

Vaapad and Juyo are not the same,nor does Vaapad share Juyo's weaknesses.
It will be Vaapad vs Djem So laced with Juyo and the other six.
Mace Windu's mastery of the other six as well will be in play also.

Imho it will be settled on their mastery of light saber combat.
Their mastery with the Force imho will just stalemate each other.