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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Originally posted by |King Joker|
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Worst thread of the year candidate.

the unwise do not recognize wisdom

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instead of discussing sabers and power feats we are discussing wisdom feats and demonstrations of wisdom and insight. i've provided example of both zao and quinlan vos. feel free to counter with wisdom feats of obi wan and anakin and mace and luminar unduli and even yoda compared with vos in this thread

This post is actually approaching the retardation of the thread.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

This post is actually approaching the retardation of the thread.

yeah for those who cannot discuss recognize evaluate wisdom they show retardation

Anyone on team 2 can solo in this contest.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Anyone on team 2 can solo in this contest. how so? they embraced clones which lead to their destruction. Vos was skeptical.

Legit thread, ngl.

Originally posted by redpill
how so? they embraced clones which lead to their destruction. Vos was skeptical.

Irrelevant. All show greater insight and knowledge than Vos. Vos is a hot head, with not much wisdom.

Your entire post is basically Vos is wiser because his opinion was different. The clones did in fact show a love for one another, and showed some pretty high loyalty to all those Jedi until the very end with Rex and a couple others still being loyal to the Jedi so yea Vos isn't as wise a Luminara, Obi, or Mace. Anyone on team 2 solos.

Originally posted by redpill
how so? they embraced clones which lead to their destruction. Vos was skeptical.

Mace never trusting Anakin >>> being skeptical of the clones tbh.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Your entire post is basically Vos is wiser because his opinion was different. The clones did in fact show a love for one another, and showed some pretty high loyalty to all those Jedi until the very end with Rex and a couple others still being loyal to the Jedi so yea Vos isn't as wise a Luminara, Obi, or Mace. Anyone on team 2 solos.

yet when ordered to they showed NO EMPATHY to their victims. which Vos in his wisdom clearly discrned.

Clones not only killed jedi and younglings but anyone helping them like wookies.

Vos saw that. the other jedi did not.

Vos is wiser

Originally posted by Trocity
Mace never trusting Anakin >>> being skeptical of the clones tbh. yet mace was there with anakin at teh end allowing anaking to defend sidious. so much for shatterpoint

Vos murdered his best friend for a booty call...

Even though he could've ****ed Ventress without killing him.

Vos is a retard.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Vos murdered his best friend for a booty call...

Even though he could've ****ed Ventress without killing him.

Vos is a retard.

he was tasked by the jedi council to go undercover to assassinate dooku and that was part of his cover. to convince dooku hes gone dark side.

jedi did debate the wisdom of doing it but when ahead and tasked vos to do it by partnering with asajj and learning the dark side

Originally posted by redpill
yet when ordered to they showed NO EMPATHY to their victims. which Vos in his wisdom clearly discrned.

Clones not only killed jedi and younglings but anyone helping them like wookies.

Vos saw that. the other jedi did not.

Vos is wiser

Again irrelevant. Aspects out of their control and still not seeing how this si wisdom for Vos since all he did was make an opinion just like everyone that at the end of the day was actaully wrong. The clones had emotions, they in fact go in several ways showing they are actual people with actaul feelings and such.

Again irrelevant.

Vos just said they lacked empathy. That's not wisdom.

Based on what. Based on the defintions you provided all of the Jedi on team 2 solo because they have more experience, Obi wan, and Mace are both on the Jedi council and Unduli is defintily respected for her methods and teachingsVis isn't so they beat him again thier, if we go by what you described Mace is the wisest of them all because he had explicit mistrust in Anakin, and in Sidious and was one of the first to propose to kill Dooku, Obi wan was also weary of Palaptine so was the entire coucnil except Aankin, so he's anyone on team 2 can solo. The rest in your defintions honestly don't go here due to Mace and Obi and Unduli and Vos being In a position to where they have to think and can't just act most of the time.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again irrelevant. Aspects out of their control and still not seeing how this si wisdom for Vos since all he did was make an opinion just like everyone that at the end of the day was actaully wrong. The clones had emotions, they in fact go in several ways showing they are actual people with actaul feelings and such.

Again irrelevant.

Vos just said they lacked empathy. That's not wisdom.


let's revisit the definition yet again

wisdom

the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight. Wisdom has been regarded as one of four cardinal virtues; and as a virtue, it is a habit or disposition to perform the action with the highest degree of adequacy under any given circumstance. This implies a possession of knowledge or the seeking of knowledge to apply to the given circumstance. This involves an understanding of people, objects, events, situations, and the willingness as well as the ability to apply perception, judgement, and action in keeping with the understanding of what is the optimal course of action.

^

1 - Legends Vos said Clone troopers lack empathy. Legends Vos does not think it is wise to have clones

2 Vos statement that clones are dangerous bioweapons bred for war alone and only loyaty is the republic and lack empathy is a statement of Vos' judgment

3 the course of events validate Vos judgment as evidence by events of order 66 and beyond

4 Vos is the only jedi to express such reservation, not even yoda mace obi wan expressed such concerns


5 Vos shows special insight into the nature of clones. No other jedi showed such insight. Not yoda not mace not obi wan not luminar undulli

6 the dictionary definition of wisdom is "Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight"

7 Vos therefore shows special wisdom on the wiseness and soundness of using clones. Vos is the only jedi in legends or canon to show this.


let's get something clear, if this were real life and a security firm hires bank robbers to guard a bank vault, and those bank robbers then rob a bank vault, would that be wisdom?

the jedi worked with clones and aside from legends vos, no jedi thought that could be a problem but order 66 showed the surprise was complete


legends vos had insight, a unique insight, that the course of events showed he was right.

by definition of wisdom, vos is wise.

mace yoda obi wan luminar undulli et al, trusted the clones. they had no insight no clue about what clones would eventually do.

not wise.

Originally posted by redpill
let's revisit the definition yet again

wisdom

the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight. Wisdom has been regarded as one of four cardinal virtues; and as a virtue, it is a habit or disposition to perform the action with the highest degree of adequacy under any given circumstance. This implies a possession of knowledge or the seeking of knowledge to apply to the given circumstance. This involves an understanding of people, objects, events, situations, and the willingness as well as the ability to apply perception, judgement, and action in keeping with the understanding of what is the optimal course of action.

^

1 - Legends Vos said Clone troopers lack empathy. Legends Vos does not think it is wise to have clones

2 Vos statement that clones are dangerous bioweapons bred for war alone and only loyaty is the republic and lack empathy is a statement of Vos' judgment

3 the course of events validate Vos judgment as evidence by events of order 66 and beyond

4 Vos is the only jedi to express such reservation, not even yoda mace obi wan expressed such concerns


5 Vos shows special insight into the nature of clones. No other jedi showed such insight. Not yoda not mace not obi wan not luminar undulli

6 the dictionary definition of wisdom is "Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight"

7 Vos therefore shows special wisdom on the wiseness and soundness of using clones. Vos is the only jedi in legends or canon to show this.


let's get something clear, if this were real life and a security firm hires bank robbers to guard a bank vault, and those bank robbers then rob a bank vault, would that be wisdom?

the jedi worked with clones and aside from legends vos, no jedi thought that could be a problem but order 66 showed the surprise was complete


legends vos had insight, a unique insight, that the course of events showed he was right.

by definition of wisdom, vos is wise.

mace yoda obi wan luminar undulli et al, trusted the clones. they had no insight no clue about what clones would eventually do.

not wise.

So by your definition anyone on team 2 can solo as they all have more experience knowledge, way better judgement, and all act on those virtues. Glad you agree.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So by your definition anyone on team 2 can solo as they all have more experience knowledge, way better judgement, and all act on those virtues. Glad you agree.

everyone on team 2 agreed to the use of clones, which resulted in the total destruction of the jedi order.

the surviving jedi from das jenir to kanan jarus to obi wan and yoda considered that to be a mistake.

legends vos correctly anticipated that clones would be a problem due to them lacking empathy and being bred for war lone, which is exactly how events unfolded. vos is the only tcw era jedi to anticipate this.

both das jenir and kanan jarrus have comics in which they personally witness clones turning against them. the other jedi we saw fallin ROTS to the clones.

in rots we saw clones attempt to kill yoda and obi wan.

vos alone saw potential problems with clones as they lack empathy and are bred for war alone. thats wisdom for you

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So by your definition anyone on team 2 can solo as they all have more experience knowledge, way better judgement, and all act on those virtues. Glad you agree.

are you familiar with dark horse Republic ?

quinlan vos was trained in intelligence and counter-intelligence, espionage and counter-espionage, was exposed to separatists critique of the Republic - which kanan and dass jenir realized were true after order 66- and was the target of clone attacks. recall commander bly wanted to shoot to kill vos on the spot.

vos believed the republic had fallen under the influence of the sith, his quest was to find this second sith, and as a result, he did not trust clones, and questioned the jedi orders support for the republic.

given how things actually played out, vos was right.

several members of team 2 were killed by clones and none thought their one-sided support of the republic and use of clones is a problem.

redpill I have one:

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Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
redpill I have one:

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Ant roflstomps 11/10.

have at it then.

would you mind explaining to me in your own words what the clones did to the jedi after order 66 was issued?

what were the series of decisions on the part of the jedi that lead to that disaster?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Irrelevant. All show greater insight and knowledge than Vos. Vos is a hot head, with not much wisdom.

oh really?

here we see yoda with clones


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here we see clones killing jedi


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clones killed jedi. did any jedi foresee this possibility?

Originally posted by Trocity
Mace never trusting Anakin >>> being skeptical of the clones tbh.

um remember scene in ROTS

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NedMNTgMFwc/maxresdefault.jpg

anakin tells mace he will need his help, the chancellor was very powerful.

mace did not trust anakin.


result: sidious destroys b-team and ultimately mace is destroyed and anakin turns.

conclusions mace should have trusted anakin in this moment.

mace, anakin i trust you. come with me along with kit fisto kolar tinn and we will all of us arrest chancellor. you persuade him to surrender.

anakin thanks for trusting me!

Why exactly-or...How exactly did Vos become a Master in the Legends canon?

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Why exactly-or...How exactly did Vos become a Master in the Legends canon?

iirc after he killed volfe karkko and rescued aayla in darkness

Originally posted by redpill
iirc after he killed volfe karkko and rescued aayla in darkness

Don't wanna know what it took in the current canon. In Dark Disciple he's basically out of character for the entire book. I like many others, like to pretend TCW/DD Vos never happened.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Don't wanna know what it took in the current canon. In Dark Disciple he's basically out of character for the entire book. I like many others, like to pretend TCW/DD Vos never happened. when dooku offered him tholme's lightsaber and tempted him to psychometric it, it reminded me of the morpheus redpill blue pill moment in the matrix for neo.

vos like neo took the redpill

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Don't wanna know what it took in the current canon. In Dark Disciple he's basically out of character for the entire book. I like many others, like to pretend TCW/DD Vos never happened.

I agree. Vos beating Dooku was completely out of no where. His skill set was never and should ever have been that good. I did however like TCW.

Yoda and Kenobi were the wisest and greatest Jedi of the PT era. Windu was too closed minded Imo.

I guess Luminara had that wise and calm presence to her.

Vos was an idiot who was more interested in screwing Ventress than helping the Jedi.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I agree. Vos beating Dooku was completely out of no where. His skill set was never and should ever have been that good. I did however like TCW. in legends he beat volfe karkko and sora bulq and trained in vaapad.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yoda and Kenobi were the wisest and greatest Jedi of the PT era. Windu was too closed minded Imo.

I guess Luminara had that wise and calm presence to her.

Vos was an idiot who was more interested in screwing Ventress than helping the Jedi.

and what happened to the jedi under their wise leadership during order 66 ?

Originally posted by redpill
and what happened to the jedi under their wise leadership during order 66 ?

So? They were played and they were also screwed over by one of their own- Count Dooku. Its not like Quinlan Vos put them right Lol

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So? They were played and they were also screwed over by one of their own- Count Dooku. Its not like Quinlan Vos put them right Lol

if they were wise they would have considered the possibility of the clones turning on them, esp since they were told the republic is ruled by a sith lord. its called prescience, foresight, judgment

Kenobi is far more wise than Vos. Unfortunately, Windu is on his team which makes team 2's wisdom plummet.

Vos wins.

Obi-Wan can carry given he has Force Ghost hax.

Originally posted by ares834
Kenobi is far more wise than Vos. Unfortunately, Windu is on his team which makes team 2's wisdom plummet.

Vos wins.




Windy was the most arrogant and unwise Jedi Master on the Council, alongside Ki-Adi-Mundi.

Originally posted by ares834
Kenobi is far more wise than Vos. Unfortunately, Windu is on his team which makes team 2's wisdom plummet.

Vos wins.

i recall kenobi enthusiastically embracing clones in atoc. cody attempted to kill him

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obi-Wan can carry given he has Force Ghost hax. true dat

Originally posted by Darth Thor


Windy was the most arrogant and unwise Jedi Master on the Council, alongside Ki-Adi-Mundi. he got shot too

you do realize that those younglings killed by clones had parents right? thats a serious lawsuit right there

what sort of wisdom can the wise obi wan and wise yoda give to all the parents whose children were killed by clones, given they approved of clones to literally babysit them ?

legends vos - was wise enough to know clones are an inherent danger to danger and events proved he was right.

regarding wisdom

"Hitler rejected Guderian's proposal. The armored divisions would operate as components of the rest of the offensive. In fact, they would mostly be under the senior command of infantry generals who had more conservative ideas about tank warfare. Guderian's disgust was greatly aggravated by the fact that he had grave doubts that an attack on the USSR was wise, and few doubts that it would be very difficult. "

Heinz Guderian did not think Hitler was wise to attack the Soviet Union.

how did that turn out for hitler?

i'm not alone i saw this today


BLOWS IT, YODA DOES: Here's what I learned when I watched the original 'Star Wars' movies for the first time in 10 years
Business Insider By Nicholas Carlson
6 hours ago

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/blows-yoda-does-heres-learned-132745556.html

Blows it, Yoda does. If you really want to know whose fault it is that the Old Republic and its democratic ways get tossed aside in favor of the Empire that Luke and Leia have to rebel against, look no further than Yoda.

Supposedly the wisest of all Jedi, he couldn't sense that the Republic's most power-hungry senator, Palpatine, was actually a Dark Lord. Palpatine gains power by putting his apprentice, Count Dooko, in charge of a group of rebels. Then he asks the senate for an army of Stormtroopers to defeat the rebels. Yoda not only goes along with it, he leads the Stormtroopers into battle.

^

well exactly. btw its clone troopers.