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Dcnu superman is solidly above the high herald tier, he is mid to high trans now.

Supes is getting close to prime level.

Hasn't it been done before... like a dozen times?

Supes should be able to dominate if he uses his speed. That's a big if, though, you can never rely on him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hasn't it been done before... like a dozen times?

Supes should be able to dominate if he uses his speed. That's a big if, though, you can never rely on him.

But you can rely on my boot up ur ass

I'm not into that stuff. Ask Sin.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Dcnu superman is solidly above the high herald tier, he is mid to high trans now.
Thor is abstract.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm not into that stuff. Ask Sin.

No, because I would never get my boot back.

Superman solidly.

Giving this to Thor.

Like anybody is surprised at that.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Like anybody is surprised at that.
Carver just pm'd me. He says the same thing about your post.

Like anybody gives a shit.

You cared enuff to reply so apparently you.

Thor.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Dcnu superman is solidly above the high herald tier, he is mid to high trans now.

damn really?

Slight edge to Thor, on average NU Superman seems more susceptible to magic than his pre FP counter part.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Thor.

Who has possessed you?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
damn really?

Yes, really.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Who has possessed you?

I haven't read Superman in about six months due to how shit it got, and I haven't read Thor in ages.

So I honestly just picked one at random.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I haven't read Superman in about six months due to how shit it got, and I haven't read Thor in ages.

So I honestly just picked one at random.

You do not like Superman's solar flare abilities, and his ability to manipulate energy/radiation?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I haven't read Superman in about six months due to how shit it got, and I haven't read Thor in ages.

So I honestly just picked one at random.

I always thought you were much more of a Superman fan than a Thor one.

Originally posted by Board Walker
You do not like Superman's solar flare abilities, and his ability to manipulate energy/radiation?

Thinking back on it, I don't really mind the solar flare thing, tbh. I don't know what you mean by the energy/radiation thing.

I stopped reading because of the depowering, the awful breakup with Diana, and Lois being a **** and, last I checked, getting away with it. She's the Jean Grey of DC.

Not to mention just bad writing in general.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I always thought you were much more of a Superman fan than a Thor one.

I am. Superman is my second favourite character, period.

His Nu series must've got real bad if you picked Thor as a winner here then.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His Nu series must've got real bad if you picked Thor as a winner here then.

Is sjw Thor still going? Or is dude Thor back?

When will Thor be black?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Is sjw Thor still going? Or is dude Thor back?

Afaik, Whor is still active and it'll be that way for a while...

But I lost interest in keeping up with new releases quite a while ago, before Wolverine died even.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
When will Thor be black?

Not any time soon.

Captain Falcon, Whor and W-23 = current Marvel...

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
When will Thor be black?

http://img08.deviantart.net/105a/i/2015/114/b/c/black_thor_by_bplus74-d5e1wme.jpg

Lol, you typed "black". I read "back"

Heimdall is enough already... the actor hates the job though, so he might leave sooner than we expect...

I can't bare the thought of him hating the job, what the **** is the matter with him.

He hates white people.

vin

Idris is black and so is the role though:/

He doesn't like that they tell him to arrive on time and do all sorts of stunts. Whined a lot about that. Was so pissed he even spoiled his Age of Ultron appearance, despite being told not to.

Would be funny if Heimdall got offed on the beginning of Thor: Ragnarok because of those statements he made

I never thought Idris was a cry baby behind the scenes.

What a disappointment.

I blame Mindset.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
What a disappointment.

All black people are.

Uncle Ruckus agrees with me:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55ylb86jt1r8majk.png

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Afaik, Whor is still active and it'll be that way for a while...

But I lost interest in keeping up with new releases quite a while ago, before Wolverine died even.

Ah. Lucky you.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You cared enuff to reply so apparently you.


Lolwut?

This thread took a strange turn

Thor

Thor wins.

No, he doesn't.

Thor.
DCnu/frat boy Superman is one of the few versions of the character i'll give Thor the win over.
Add the fact there are no caveats in the OP so BFR is available? Definitely Thor.

The OP didnt specify agreement with you as a stip, either.

Yeah, I can't see DCNU Superman pulling a majority. Thor hammer would hurt like hell. He's good but not that good. Not yet. Regular Supes, that fight is undecided...could go either way between him and Thor. This Supes...naah. Thor 8/10.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, I can't see DCNU Superman pulling a majority. Thor hammer would hurt like hell. He's good but not that good. Not yet. Regular Supes, that fight is undecided...could go either way between him and Thor. This Supes...naah. Thor 8/10. Originally posted by abhilegend

DCnU Superman is easily stronger than preboot Superman.

He has better striking feats.

He has better record against characters who are even stronger than himself.

But yeah, you're "undecided" against preboot Superman.

crylaugh

Originally posted by riv6672
The OP didnt specify agreement with you as a stip, either.
Your opinion is worthless in every way that counts.

Even more than carver if that's even possible.

Thor

Originally posted by abhilegend
DCnU Superman is easily stronger than preboot Superman.

He has better striking feats.

He has better record against characters who are even stronger than himself.

But yeah, you're "undecided" against preboot Superman.

crylaugh
He does?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He does?

Depend's on abhi's mood.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He does?
Yes.

Iirc Elba was angry at himself for being double booked with filming mandela and then having to do hours of makeup work and shit for the thor role. He wasnt actually complaining like say daniel craig is/was...

On topic so nu clark is trans? I havent read much either since his depowerment. Didnt like his direction with diana or Lois for that matter. Kinda agree with Paul on those notes. But isnt supermen always at trans level unless explicitly holding back or weakened? More so than his peers?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Iirc Elba was angry at himself for being double booked with filming mandela and then having to do hours of makeup work and shit for the thor role. He wasnt actually complaining like say daniel craig is/was...

On topic so nu clark is trans? I havent read much either since his depowerment. Didnt like his direction with diana or Lois for that matter. Kinda agree with Paul on those notes. But isnt supermen always at trans level unless explicitly holding back or weakened? More so than his peers?

Wtf.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.
Like?

Originally posted by carver9
Wtf.

U got something u need to say boy?

Carver's drunk, please excuse him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
DCnU Superman is easily stronger than preboot Superman.

He has better striking feats.

He has better record against characters who are even stronger than himself.

But yeah, you're "undecided" against preboot Superman.

crylaugh

Pretty much, which is why I give Superman the small majority, however, I worry about his durability. It's not as good as Pre-Flashpoints.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
U got something u need to say boy?

Your post was terrible.

Originally posted by carver9
Your post was terrible.

How so...enlighten me young man

Superman wins

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Like?
Managing to keep Darkseid at bay, able to beat down Wraith, stunning H'el with two punches, ripping Doomsday in half.

Better strength and striking average than before.

Thor edges him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Managing to keep Darkseid at bay, able to beat down Wraith, stunning H'el with two punches, ripping Doomsday in half.

Better strength and striking average than before.
Not seeing it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Iirc Elba was angry at himself for being double booked with filming mandela and then having to do hours of makeup work and shit for the thor role. He wasnt actually complaining like say daniel craig is/was...

He did spoil his appearance in AoU, though. At least so I've read.

I like Elba, his scenes in Ghost Rider 2 actually made that mediocre film tolerable.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not seeing it.
Of course you don't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your opinion is worthless in every way that counts.

Even more than carver if that's even possible. posts like this?
Pure Superman fanboy gold. Your House must be SO proud.

Anyhow, back to real posters: carver, i have to disagree on your undecided comment. Pre DCnu Supes will take a majority over Thor, unless Thor BFRs him.

Originally posted by riv6672
posts like this?
Pure Superman fanboy gold. Your House must be SO proud.

Anyhow, back to real posters: carver, i have to disagree on your undecided comment. Pre DCnu Supes will take a majority over Thor, unless Thor BFRs him.

Yeah, cry more.

Yeah, get back on topic guys.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, get back on topic guys.

Just ban Superman from CBvF. Please.

There's no other way to stop the Unstoppable Abhinaut.

DCnU Superman is stronger than pre-Flashpoint Superman, who in turn is much stronger than Thor.

Currently, Wonder Woman gets a majority over Thor, nevermind Superman.

Strength isnt the end all be all. If it was, comics would be very boring.

Originally posted by riv6672
Strength isnt the end all be all. If it was, comics would be very boring. Strength is what allowed Superman to pulverize Thor last time.

Also, look at how Hulk is portrayed, and repeat what you've just said about strength not being the be all end all.

Of course, that's inside the comics. On the forum, Superman also has his ridiculously superior speed, which means Thor won't even get the time to mount a defensive, much less an offensive.

Thats how you (and a lot of posters here, not singling you out) debate.
Thats not how i debate.
I dont expect you to agree with me, i just post my opinion (who i think wins and why) on topics that interest me.

Even depowered Superman beat Frankenstein in h2h who is Shazam/Wonder Woman level in strength.

http://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/AC_47_1.jpg
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http://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/AC_47_3.jpg
http://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/AC_47_4.jpg

If we take the ground shaking at face value - Superman and Franky are causing earthquakes with their fight?

Massively weakened Supes?
hmm

Luke Cage is Superman level!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even depowered Superman beat Frankenstein in h2h who is Shazam/Wonder Woman level in strength.

http://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/AC_47_1.jpg
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That's a ridiculously high showing, tbh.

Frankenstein is a high-herald physically and that's not necesarilly in line with how Supes has been portrayed other than that.

That showing is basically..

full power Superman >>>>> depowered Superman > Frankenstein ~= Captain Marvel/Wonder Woman/OMAC, which is pretty absurd.

Yeah i take "depowered Superman" with a grain of salt.
DC seems to throw that out for the lulz.

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah i take "depowered Superman" with a grain of salt.
DC seems to throw that out for the lulz. Whether or not he's depowered is not a question. It has been hammered repeatedly that he is drastically so.

What's curious is him beating Frankenstein in that state, when the latter has treated Captain Marvel like a child, beaten OMAC etc.

Yeah.

I mean, he was struggling with Aquaman. Does this mean Aquaman > WW/Shaza,/Omac?

Writers don't care about power levels and battleboard portrayals.

Hence the grain of salt.

What's Superman's track record against thunder and lightning, with the added advantage of magic?

Anyone want to post his showings against Ocean Master, Ulysses, and a 10 Gigawatt voltage?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah.

I mean, he was struggling with Aquaman. Does this mean Aquaman > WW/Shaza,/Omac?

Writers don't care about power levels and battleboard portrayals.
True.

Deadshot nearly killed depowered Superman, and using the same logic it would mean Deadshot >>> Frankenstein = WW/Shazam. A>B>C Logic doesn't always work in comics. Writers don't keep a meticulous record of power levels for every characters.

Originally posted by One-Punch
What's Superman's track record against thunder and lightning, with the added advantage of magic?

Anyone want to post his showings against Ocean Master, Ulysses, and a 10 Gigawatt voltage?
Forgot to add Major Disaster to that list.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Deadshot nearly killed depowered Superman, and using the same logic it would mean Deadshot >>> Frankenstein = WW/Shazam. No, that's using your logic, not mine. Don't try to pass on stupidity.

If I physically outclass you , and you in turn physically outclass your brother , then I also physically outclass your brother.

If your drunken father comes in with a gun and shoots me, that has nothing to do with our actual physical standings.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah.

I mean, he was struggling with Aquaman. Does this mean Aquaman > WW/Shaza,/Omac?

Writers don't care about power levels and battleboard portrayals.

Aquaman is a smidge below Wonder Woman, in every interaction they've had.

That doesn't contradict anything. Explain how the showing implies Aquaman is above CM/WW...

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I like how when Superman is involved with a high-showing, 'comic writers don't think power standings through'.

What the f*ck?

@Philo:

Simples.

Superman struggled with Aquaman in physical h2h (Superman ~=Aquaman). IIRC, Superman even said Aquaman might beat him (I may have misremembered it, though).

Superman BEAT Frankenstein in physical h2h (Superman > Frankenstein).

Frankenstein ~= Captain Marvel/Wonder Woman/OMAC (per your post).

So Aquaman > Frankenstein. So > Cap, WW and OMAC.



Who said it was Superman-centric????

Hello, Beyonders here.

Basically this.

Anyway, Superman >>> thor, the sissy of thunder.

Lol...Parasite just said he nevery felt a power like Wonder Woman (twice mind you) and he has absorbed Superman on multiples of occasions. That's a better description of power levels.

"Never felt POWER like this before, not even from Superman".

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23372771/Justice_League_of_America_2015-_001-036.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
"Never felt POWER like this before, not even from Superman".

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23372771/Justice_League_of_America_2015-_001-036.jpg.html

facepalm

That's from Flash

Here, you clearly see how Parasite drains GL:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jZ0WqlLCZh8/VYGasXan31I/AAAAAAAMX_8/Hp1KD2rTZjI/s1600/p_13_22%2Bcopy.jpg

Contrast and compare that to when he meets Flash:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qK1Rd2fDkto/VYGatGQ6XkI/AAAAAAAMYAA/yY0v4mhqnDY/s1600/p_13_24%2Bcopy.jpg

The Speedforce > Superman. Not WW.

Don't know what made me open his post but anyways, we clearly see him toss Wonder Woman in his mouth and then he brings up the power comparison. Lol...he says it again here.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576787/7859941.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576801/9913573.jpg.html

And this was AFTER that showing. He didn't even fully drain her.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know what made me open his post but anyways, we clearly see him toss Wonder Woman in his mouth and then he brings up the power comparison. Lol...he says it again here.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576787/7859941.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576801/9913573.jpg.html

And this was AFTER that showing. He didn't even fully drain her.

We clearly see him START to grow, and continue growing, after he drains Flash. Batman confirms it's the Speedforce.

THEN, all carver's second set of scans (quoted here) say, is that draining WW was something Parasite had NEVER felt before. Doesn't say WW>Superman, merely that she is something he has never felt before. But let's focus on that.

NEVER.

FELT.

BEFORE.

So, if in his second set of scans, which carver freely admits comes AFTER the first set of scans, in his SECOND set, Parasite freely admits he has NEVER tasted WW's power before....

How can he be draining her in the first set?

IOW, it was Flash he was draining.

Never felt POWER like that before (second scan). He didn't say never TRIED power like that...lol. Seems obvious to me. Flash wasn't even there anymore. After tossing Wonder Woman in his mouth, that's when he brings up the power comparison.

The statement has nothing to do with powerlevels. God energy feels different than speed force energy ", Oan energy or Kryptonian hyper-metabolized sunlight. Hmmm. What what is unique about God energy than those other forms of power?

Originally posted by carver9
Never felt POWER like that before (second scan). He didn't say never TRIED power like that...lol. Seems obvious to me. Flash wasn't even there anymore. After tossing Wonder Woman in his mouth, that's when he brings up the power comparison.

Here are Parasite's own words:

http://s5.postimg.org/ncoeecwpj/9913573.jpg

Obvious, eh?

If he has never felt anything like WW's power before - then this was obviously the first time he has ever sampled her power.

As for the first set of scans, at the power station, Flash was KOed BEFORE he could sever the connection to the Speedforce. Batman even says so.

So no Flash = noone to sever Parasite's connection = Parasite was able to drain the Speedforce.

Funky logic being used here. And sad.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Funky logic being used here. And sad.

Sorry

I like how Carver still tries that Parasite scan as a proof.


Of something.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Supes is getting close to prime level.

What are his best recent feats? Also I would of figured he was already at Prime level given his feat with bench pressing the weight of the planet.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sorry
Not u.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not u.

https://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/tumblr_m9j7j95oq01qzeg2so2_250.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He doesn't like that they tell him to arrive on time and do all sorts of stunts. Whined a lot about that. Was so pissed he even spoiled his Age of Ultron appearance, despite being told not to.

Damn what a piece of shit. I sure bet he cashed the check they sent him though.

Though he didn't seriously whine about being told to be on time did he?

I was referring to offensive power in general as measured by damage done to Superman, and not just purely strength.

Deadshot's armour piercing bullets nearly killed Superman, yet Frankenstein's punches didn't do any lasting damage to Superman. This means in terms of offensive power Deadshot's guns >>> Frankenstein's punches.

We're forced to conclude Deadshot's guns have greater offensive power than herald level punches. Yet in the same comic Diana tanks the same armour piercing bullets from Deadshot without any issue.

Could it be that comics are sometimes inconsistent? Especially for certain characters like Superman who star in multiple books being written by multiple writers? I would've thought that would be common sense.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@Philo:

Simples.

Superman struggled with Aquaman in physical h2h (Superman ~=Aquaman). IIRC, Superman even said Aquaman might beat him (I may have misremembered it, though).

Superman BEAT Frankenstein in physical h2h (Superman > Frankenstein).

Frankenstein ~= Captain Marvel/Wonder Woman/OMAC (per your post).

So Aquaman > Frankenstein. So > Cap, WW and OMAC.



Who said it was Superman-centric????

Hello, Beyonders here.
Here's another one.

OMAC also physically overpowered regular Superman and in fact Superman said OMAC might actually be stronger than him. So OMAC = or > regular Superman in terms of strength.

Yet Frankenstein physically overpowers OMAC, so Frankenstein > OMAC.

Which means Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman.

Yet DP Superman overpowers Frankenstein, which means DP Superman > Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman.

But regular Superman is supposed to be stronger than DP Superman, so this means...

Regular Superman > DP Superman > Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman > DP Superman...and round and round it goes, in the ABC circular logic of hell.

Well wattaya know.. Another sane person.

Also I don't deny that getting hit with the hammer would hurt Superman, but since I did not see that speed was turned off for this fight I'm confused at how Thor lands a hit.

Damn....just realised carver posted those scans in the WW respect thread. Some policing definitely needs to be done, lol. The misinformation will continue.

Originally posted by carver9
Never felt POWER like that before (second scan). He didn't say never TRIED power like that...lol. Seems obvious to me. Flash wasn't even there anymore. After tossing Wonder Woman in his mouth, that's when he brings up the power comparison.

We have no reason to assume he was trying to say she was more powerful then Superman as opposed to it simply being of a different nature. A type of power he'd never absorbed before.

Also even if Parasite did clearly say "well I've calculated power levels and Wonder Woman wins" that still would be irrelevant as far as feats are concerned.

Thor's hammer swings this in his favour...this isn't a wrestling contest

Originally posted by One-Punch
I was referring to offensive power in general as measured by damage done to Superman, and not just purely strength.

Deadshot's armour piercing bullets nearly killed Superman, yet Frankenstein's punches didn't do any lasting damage to Superman. This means in terms of offensive power Deadshot's guns >>> Frankenstein's punches.

We're forced to conclude Deadshot's guns have greater offensive power than herald level punches. Yet in the same comic Diana tanks the same armour piercing bullets from Deadshot without any issue.

Could it be that comics are sometimes inconsistent? Especially for certain characters like Superman who star in multiple books being written by multiple writers? I would've thought that would be common sense.


Here's another one.

OMAC also physically overpowered regular Superman and in fact Superman said OMAC might actually be stronger than him. So OMAC = or > regular Superman in terms of strength.

Yet Frankenstein physically overpowers OMAC, so Frankenstein > OMAC.

Which means Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman.

Yet DP Superman overpowers Frankenstein, which means DP Superman > Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman.

But regular Superman is supposed to be stronger than DP Superman, so this means...

Regular Superman > DP Superman > Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman > DP Superman...and round and round it goes, in the ABC circular logic of hell. The fallacy occurs by not taking into consideration that low showings contradicts high or average showings. If one treats all showings as facts then a contradiction will be reached (as you showed). That's why only average and higher showings should be used here. Dead shot showing was more PIS than an actual low showing.

Originally posted by Genii96
Thor's hammer swings this in his favour...this isn't a wrestling contest Speed is Superman's greatest advantage. Even flash would beat Thor.
Superman is effectively flash plus strength and other powers. As long as Superman is vastly faster he would always have an edge on Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@Philo:

Simples.

Superman struggled with Aquaman in physical h2h (Superman ~=Aquaman). IIRC, Superman even said Aquaman might beat him (I may have misremembered it, though).

Superman BEAT Frankenstein in physical h2h (Superman > Frankenstein).

Frankenstein ~= Captain Marvel/Wonder Woman/OMAC (per your post).

So Aquaman > Frankenstein. So > Cap, WW and OMAC. Superman and Arthur didn't have anything close to a full fight. Aquaman was trying to put him down while Superman was trying to reason with him, all the while taking his attacks..
Supes gave him lip service but that's it. speaking of lip service read on...

Meanwhile he had a full on all in fight with franky...
Regardless...
I'm going to take a guess and assume you don't know the context for the frankestein fight. two things to note:
1. both of them were amped by black mass, which feeds on rage - thus neither was in their base powerlevel - effectively nullifying the fight
2. superman gave him this lip service prior to the fight..
http://i64.tinypic.com/sfy15g.png
3. i already pointed out this is an outlier - which doesn't matter, since it's invalid.

bottom line - fight had extenuating circumstances, frankenstein's rep is mantained

Originally posted by One-Punch
Here's another one.

OMAC also physically overpowered regular Superman and in fact Superman said OMAC might actually be stronger than him. So OMAC = or > regular Superman in terms of strength.

Yet Frankenstein physically overpowers OMAC, so Frankenstein > OMAC.

Which means Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman.

Yet DP Superman overpowers Frankenstein, which means DP Superman > Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman.

But regular Superman is supposed to be stronger than DP Superman, so this means...

Regular Superman > DP Superman > Frankenstein > OMAC > regular Superman > DP Superman...and round and round it goes, in the ABC circular logic of hell. for the frankestein part, read my last post - i added context, it's nullified.

but since you started the rest...
1.supes is notorious for giving lip service. it's a running joke at this point.
2.supes has become much, much stronger since that fight, tapping into reserves he didn't know he had
3. superman, in that same instance, punched a hole in one punch through omac, then beat him with a single blast of hv...

Really great reading. This is great stuff. Shows why this fight can be worth revisiting periodically.

I wasn't aware black mass amped anybody, it just fed on your rage and turned you into a mindcontrolled murderer.

srug

Originally posted by abhilegend
srug

Your favourite smilie?

No.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I wasn't aware black mass amped anybody, it just fed on your rage and turned you into a mindcontrolled murderer.

srug

Superman said he was getting stronger and the human girl punched a building down once having black mass on her.

^^^Sweet.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman said he was getting stronger and the human girl punched a building down once having black mass on her.
Yeah, I missed that somehow. In my defense, Pak has become a shitty writer on Action Comics. Meh

But even then, Wrath is implying he isn't as powerful as before and Frank is amped as well by the same substance.

So back to a ridiculously high showing it is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I missed that somehow. In my defense, Pak has become a shitty writer on Action Comics. Meh

But even then, Wrath is implying he isn't as powerful as before and Frank is amped as well by the same substance.

So back to a ridiculously high showing it is.

yeah, it's implied supes would blitz him to the moon at full power in a blink

For some reason, I cannot quote your posts, Philo...but .

^^^Its a self defense mechanism.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I missed that somehow. In my defense, Pak has become a shitty writer on Action Comics. Meh
I just can't read this editorially imposed shitstain that is the current crop of titles.

He'll of course be back to his normal form/characterization once the movie comes, but in the meantime...

Both Marvel and DC seem to have a fetish of doing something shitty with the characters before the movies hit, and then bringing them back.

Greg Pak is a considerably above average Superman writer when allowed, but DC is just shitty in the management department and wouldn't let him do his thing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For some reason, I cannot quote your posts, Philo...but .

I still think, baring a few exceptions, that writers have the characters relative standing in mind - if not quite the capabilities themselves. There's a few crap showings - like recently Aquaman vs Catman or whatever, where you're like "really?", but in general, it's consistent-ish.

Nobody saying Thor wins has actually explained how Thor lands a hit. Unless we are yet again going to pretend Superman has super speed. Does he have some kind of sexual kink where he gets off on being wailed on with mystical hammers?

Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody saying Thor wins has actually explained how Thor lands a hit. Unless we are yet again going to pretend Superman has super speed. Does he have some kind of sexual kink where he gets off on being wailed on with mystical hammers?
How fast is Clark.

He's caught the Flash by surprise.

Edit:
This alien is faster than the Flash:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4308786-vvvsm-11-18.jpg

But he took him out with his own speed:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4308787-vvvsm-12-09.jpg

And we all saw how quickly Parasite could drain people (thanks, carver!). But Superman is faster than his rate of draining:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4308837-zytt2014-01-29+07-35-24+-+superman+%282011-%29+027-004.jpg

But if you want a hard number, he can move his legs at 25,000mph when he was much younger:
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So if anything, he can at least kick him...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
How fast is Clark.

Good question.

AOE lightning either from his hammer or storms would slow Superman down, if not outright hurt him badly since it's magical. Thor's not just some brute who's limited to swinging a hammer. Mjolnir's abilities makes him nearly as versatile as Surfer.

Originally posted by One-Punch
AOE lightning either from his hammer or storms would slow Superman down, if not outright hurt him badly since it's magical. Thor's not just some brute who's limited to swinging a hammer. Mjolnir's abilities makes him nearly as versatile as Surfer.

He's faster than lightning

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4308771-ac-08.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's faster than lightning

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4308771-ac-08.jpg
On paper, but not so much in practice against guys like Ocean Master, Major Disaster, and Ulysses.

At Flash speed and super strength he beats the crap out of Thor who can't even handle the much slower Hulk

Originally posted by One-Punch
On paper, but not so much in practice against guys like Ocean Master, Major Disaster, and Ulysses.

Haha true.

Luckily full potential is on in forum threads hehe.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
At Flash speed and super strength he beats the crap out of Thor who can't even handle the much slower Hulk

And Thor would beat the crap out of Superman who can't handle a much slower Mongul (who is slower than both Thor and Hulk).

Superman blitzed Mongul just fine. In a thousandth of a second, no less, whilst saving people AND strategising and analysing:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4308781-bcbatman---superman-006-%282014%29-%282-covers%29-%28digital%29-%28nahga-empire%29-04.jpg

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Really, I wouldn't want carver on my team in a debate. Of course, he has me on ignore, which just means he will never be able to reply.

You're already dying without him

Full potential for Thor too, which means planetary thunder storms all aimed at Superman, and AOE lightning emanating from his hammer or body.

Supe's long range options of HV are countered easily. If Superman wants to take Thor out he needs to get close and punch him. Will he be able to do that without being hit by lightning? I doubt it.

One lightning bolt can be dodged, but hundreds? Coming from the sky and from your opponent? Not so easy. And as soon one hits Supes will be stunned if not hurt since it's magic, and thus slowed down enough for Thor to actually hit him with his hammer or pour on more lightning. 10+ Gigawatts should be enough.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're already dying without him

BeyonderGod is banned, h1 is an idiot, and Sin isn't replying to me

Try hitting on maxi then.

Woah. Let's not go crazy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Haha true.

Luckily full potential is on in forum threads hehe.
What is Thor allowed in full potential rules?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Full potential for Thor too, which means planetary thunder storms all aimed at Superman, and AOE lightning emanating from his hammer or body.

Supe's long range options of HV are countered easily. If Superman wants to take Thor out he needs to get close and punch him. Will he be able to do that without being hit by lightning? I doubt it.

One lightning bolt can be dodged, but hundreds? Coming from the sky and from your opponent? Not so easy. And as soon one hits Supes will be stunned if not hurt since it's magic, and thus slowed down enough for Thor to actually hit him with his hammer or pour on more lightning. 10+ Gigawatts should be enough.

The problem is that Thor won't have time to conjure up these huge lightning storms.

Thor stomps this fool. Even Superman fans know that deep down.

I suppose if Superman were to stand there and allow Thor to conjure up these magical storms of death there would indeed be problems. Superman is wonky like that, if he wakes up and the forecast isn't "magical storms of destruction" he pouts and doesn't eat breakfast. He thinks they toughen up the city.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's faster than lightning

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4308771-ac-08.jpg



I'm going to use Abby's favorite word, hyperbole.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Full potential for Thor too, which means planetary thunder storms all aimed at Superman, and AOE lightning emanating from his hammer or body.

Supe's long range options of HV are countered easily. If Superman wants to take Thor out he needs to get close and punch him. Will he be able to do that without being hit by lightning? I doubt it.

One lightning bolt can be dodged, but hundreds? Coming from the sky and from your opponent? Not so easy. And as soon one hits Supes will be stunned if not hurt since it's magic, and thus slowed down enough for Thor to actually hit him with his hammer or pour on more lightning. 10+ Gigawatts should be enough.

Not to mention interdimensional lightning or Thor antiforcing heat vision.

Originally posted by Surtur
The problem is that Thor won't have time to conjure up these huge lightning storms.

How fast is DCNU Superman.?