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Who wins?

Creed stomps.

Would have to be some early version of Creed for KP to beat him.

Creed mauls KP

Yea Creed stomps hard.

How? This is a good fight I say.

Originally posted by h1a8
How? This is a good fight I say.

Because you don't read comics, I say.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Because you don't read comics, I say. Spider-Man would beat the shit out of Creed. And Kingpin gave Spidey problems. So it's highly plausible that this would be a decent fight, unless you claim PIS to every KP encounter with Spidey, which I would highly respect.

One last thing. Creed can't completely no sell attacks from Red skull.

Spider-Man already fought Creed and couldn't do shit to him... that's when Creed was actually written with his powers as we know him today.

Creed is too strong, too durable, heals in moments and his claws can penetrate through Fisk's skull with ease.

Sabretooth from his first appearances, back when he wasn't even a mutant, is the only version that can lose here.

Originally posted by h1a8
One last thing. Creed can't completely no sell attacks from Red skull.



Yeah, right. But he can tank Parker's best kick just fine

Who is stronger? Kingpin or Creed?

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This thread is really just a question of how long Fisk can piss off creed before he gets eviscerated. Fisk probably holds out for about five or ten minutes before dying because of excessive blood loss and missing portions of his body.

Fisk dies

Sabretooth bleeds him out.

h1: whilst classic KP gave Spidey good fights, Spidey isn't a killer with talons on each hand, capable of shredding him to bits. Also, teeth.

KP no-sold BLUNT force attacks from Red Skull. Creel has multiple knives, and isn't afraid to use them.

Not to mention, a HF that allows Sabes to keep up with Wolverine....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sabretooth bleeds him out.

h1: whilst classic KP gave Spidey good fights, Spidey isn't a killer with talons on each hand, capable of shredding him to bits. Also, teeth.

KP no-sold BLUNT force attacks from Red Skull. Creel has multiple knives, and isn't afraid to use them.

Not to mention, a HF that allows Sabes to keep up with Wolverine.... let's also not forget that his durability is so high that he can take multiple hits from far stronger characters (rouge, colossus, Luke cage, etc.)

And hes stronger than King P. Fight better than him and has a habit of going for the eyes. Sabes hold every advantage in this fight.

Sabretooth grew stronger over the years... both thanks to his natural mutation and various upgrades.

Even relatively early Sabretooth, once his powerset got established, has KO'd Rogue who had Ms. Marvel's powers at the time.

Sabretooth, pretty easily.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sabretooth grew stronger over the years... both thanks to his natural mutation and various upgrades.

Even relatively early Sabretooth, once his powerset got established, has KO'd Rogue who had Ms. Marvel's powers at the time. hell, even aoa Sabretooth (who has none of the upgrades) has managed to do well against holocaust.

Originally posted by deathslash
hell, even aoa Sabretooth (who has none of the upgrades) has managed to do well against holocaust.

And he's owned an alternate version of She-Hulk.

Nothing against Kingpin - he is formidable - but against the likes of Creed, he's simply outclassed.

Creed fights guys out of Kingpins strength class. Creed took a barrage of punches from Sasquatch like a champ. He even managed to drop Walter with a shovel iirc.

Though some people said that was adamantium Creed. Not sure on that one though.

Then we have the Wendigo showing.

Sinister's "Supermen"...

Omega Red...

Polaris...

The list is long.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Spider-Man already fought Creed and couldn't do shit to him... that's when Creed was actually written with his powers as we know him today.

Creed is too strong, too durable, heals in moments and his claws can penetrate through Fisk's skull with ease.

Sabretooth from his first appearances, back when he wasn't even a mutant, is the only version that can lose here.





Yeah, right. But he can tank Parker's best kick just fine scans of the Spider-Man Creed fight

Spider-Man has taken blows FAR outside Creeds strength level and yet KP has hurt him. So the faulty logic goes both ways. But as Saint pointed out is Creed wins due to cutting ability. If this was more a h2h fight without claws then it would be more even.

Originally posted by h1a8
scans of the Spider-Man Creed fight

You've been a member for years, you should know where to look.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-Man has taken blows FAR outside Creeds strength level and yet KP has hurt him. So the faulty logic goes both ways. But as Saint pointed out is Creed wins due to cutting ability. If this was more a h2h fight without claws then it would be more even.

No, you just don't read comics.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Creed fights guys out of Kingpins strength class. Creed took a barrage of punches from Sasquatch like a champ. He even managed to drop Walter with a shovel iirc.

Though some people said that was adamantium Creed. Not sure on that one though.

It was Weapon X Creed, he got the upgrade in 2002 and Sabretooth Open Season was in 2004

Originally posted by -K-M-
It was Weapon X Creed, he got the upgrade in 2002 and Sabretooth Open Season was in 2004 When did he loose the adamantium?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
When did he loose the adamantium?

Technically Weapon X was his second stint with adamantium. Apocalypse gave it him originally, then took it away and gave it to Wolverine. Then Weapon X gave it to him and he still is supposed to have it.

Key word: supposed.

He lost it after M-Day, apparently. I have no idea what Marvel editors are getting paid for.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Key word: supposed.

He lost it after M-Day, apparently. I have no idea what Marvel editors are getting paid for.

Officially I don't think they did take it away, but from recent showings it certainly seems like it. As you said after M-Day he lost a lot of luster.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Officially I don't think they did take it away, but from recent showings it certainly seems like it. As you said after M-Day he lost a lot of luster.

They never stated it, true.

Wolverine wasn't surprised one bit when he inspected the corpse of Creed's clone (he thought it was the original Tooth); it had no adamantium.

Anyway, he obviously doesn't need adamantium for Kingpin.

Originally posted by h1a8
If this was more a h2h fight without claws then it would be more even.

It wouldn't be more even because one outclasses the other in every way that matters.

Also let's be honest, Spider-man holds back a great deal when fighting 'normal' humans like Fisk, and when he took the kid gloves off in Back In Black it was a non fight. He absolutely embarrassed Fisk while pointing out his lack of actual power.

Creed would not be holding back and something similar would happen.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Also let's be honest, Spider-man holds back a great deal when fighting 'normal' humans

While this is true
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
and when he took the kid gloves off in Back In Black it was a non fight.

Spiderman actually never overpowered Fisk there, he overwhelmed him with speed. And since even classic Spiderman has done that, makes you wonder he he didn't use it more often on his enemies. Also, Spider man using his speed has taken out guys even stronger than him - though I AM NOT insinuating Kingpin is stronger . And its worth mentioning that Spiderman was supposed to be twice his normal level during the time of Back- In Black due to the Queen and Other mutations. In fact, after the Other mutation, while he got stomped on by Lizard normally, with the Other power he easily beat Connors. So that is not a good exaple
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
He absolutely embarrassed Fisk while pointing out his lack of actual power.

JMS actually did a big disservice to Kingpin in that story, though it was Bendis who started it and Brubaker who continued it. Classic Kingpin practically no-selled blows from low-level superhumans. Saying he has no power is total bullshit.