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Rogers get his shield

Bucky gets his assault rifle

Khan gets his big gun.

vs

Sideous, force powers only.

Eagerly awaits Sidious fanatics.

a closer matchup would be Sidious sans force powers with his lightsaber lol. Sidious easily takes em out with the Force.

Originally posted by relentless1
a closer matchup would be Sidious sans force powers with his lightsaber lol. Sidious easily takes em out with the Force. Based on ?

Gonna agree with quan on this one. Force mind tricks would probably only work on bucky. Cap and khan are fast and strong enough to deal with any telekinisis and if cap is distracting his lightsaber both khan and bucky can blast him from a distance.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Gonna agree with quan on this one. Force mind tricks would probably only work on bucky. Cap and khan are fast and strong enough to deal with any telekinisis and if cap is distracting his lightsaber both khan and bucky can blast him from a distance.

You cannot resist telekinesis (being lifted up completely or choked) with physical strength. Even a lesser force user is powerless.

Sidious immobilizes then kills them like he did to the guards, and could have done to Maul/Savage at the beginning.

-7hBZNsPnyg

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Gonna agree with quan on this one. Force mind tricks would probably only work on bucky. Cap and khan are fast and strong enough to deal with any telekinisis and if cap is distracting his lightsaber both khan and bucky can blast him from a distance.

you do realize that any run of the mill Jedi is much faster than any of these three right? And sidious moved fast enough to kill 3 out of 4 of them that came to arrest him before Mace Windu could even react yeah?

Originally posted by Placidity
You cannot resist telekinesis (being lifted up completely or choked) with physical strength. Even a lesser force user is powerless.

Sidious immobilizes then kills them like he did to the guards, and could have done to Maul/Savage at the beginning.

-7hBZNsPnyg You do realize the guards could have fired. They didn't fire and two seconds later they were choked. They are also featless and not expecting a fight. Context.

Originally posted by relentless1
you do realize that any run of the mill Jedi is much faster than any of these three right? And sidious moved fast enough to kill 3 out of 4 of them that came to arrest him before Mace Windu could even react yeah? Prove it.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Rogers get his shield

Bucky gets his assault rifle

Khan gets his big gun.

vs

Sideous, force powers only.

This is a better thread to argue pal

Can Sidious leap and dodge, or does Force Powers Only mean he has to just stand there using his force powers?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
This is a better thread to argue pal

Can Sidious leap and dodge, or does Force Powers Only mean he has to just stand there using his force powers? Khan alone wins so this is a stomp of epic proportions. Your fanboysism is showing.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial


Bucky gets his assault rifle



SW Blaster fire IMO is much slower than earth guns.
Can Jedi's/Siths react fast enough to Dodge fire from an assault rifle?

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Gonna agree with quan on this one. Force mind tricks would probably only work on bucky. Cap and khan are fast and strong enough to deal with any telekinisis and if cap is distracting his lightsaber both khan and bucky can blast him from a distance.

What??? It's like you don't even Star Wars or something

Originally posted by Inhuman
SW Blaster fire IMO is much slower than earth guns.
Can Jedi's/Siths react fast enough to Dodge fire from an assault rifle?

I see, so future Weaponry is going to be slower than your standard rifle today? you can't be serious. Let me guess, cause you can see the blaster fire... It must be slower?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see, so future Weaponry is going to be slower than your standard rifle today? you can't be serious. Let me guess, cause you can see the blaster fire... It must be slower? Star Wars isn't set in the future. That's Star Trek, chap.

what I mean by future is... In this Universe... the past is clearly more futuristic than our present. Unless you can point me us launching death stars that can destroy a planet in one hit. Huge Destroyers and other ships engaging in battles in space. Hyperdrives.... Lightsabers etc etc. If you don't think Star Wars had tech far beyond us and is considered futuristic by our standards... I don't know what to tell you

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
what I mean by future is... In this Universe... the past is clearly more futuristic than our present. Unless you can point me us launching death stars that can destroy a planet in one hit. Huge Destroyers and other ships engaging in battles in space. Hyperdrives.... Lightsabers etc etc. If you don't think Star Wars had tech far beyond us and is considered futuristic by our standards... I don't know what to tell you It is a static universe. Just because they shoot lasers that doesn't mean they travel faster than bullets. Fictional writers don't have to consider physics when structuring their fictional reality.

Jedi aren't fast enough to block a mini gun. Too many shots and far fewer lasers have overwhelmed Jedi before.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see, so future Weaponry is going to be slower than your standard rifle today? you can't be serious. Let me guess, cause you can see the blaster fire... It must be slower?

I'm basing it in what i see in the films. It's not like we hear a shot from a blaster and instantly the storm trooper dies. The only indication we have of the speed of the sw blaster projectile is the movies.
Basing it of this then, yes I think blaster fire is slower than earth assult rifles. If you have any additional info on the speed of Star Wars projectiles that was said or shown in the movies then remind me because I don't recal.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I'm basing it in what i see in the films. It's not like we hear a shot from a blaster and instantly the storm trooper dies. The only indication we have of the speed of the sw blaster projectile is the movies.
Basing it of this then, yes I think blaster fire is slower than earth assult rifles. If you have any additional info on the speed of Star Wars projectiles that was said or shown in the movies then remind me because I don't recal.

Just google how fast do blaster bolts travel in Star Wars... There are many detailed studies on it. Suffice to say, they aren't as slow as you seem to believe

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Just google how fast do blaster bolts travel in Star Wars... There are many detailed studies on it. Suffice to say, they aren't as slow as you seem to believe

Are you taking about EU?

And I'm not saying they're slow. I'm just saying they are not as fast as an assault rifle

Sidious should stomp here. Just lift them and throw them around and then shock them with lighting to kill them.

Khan dies first

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sidious should stomp here. Just lift them and throw them around and then shock them with lighting to kill them.

Can the emperor take cap or khan or bucky? Yes, but not at the same time. Also cap abd bucky got crazy teamwork going for them.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Are you taking about EU?

And I'm not saying they're slow. I'm just saying they are not as fast as an assault rifle

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sidious should stomp here. Just lift them and throw them around and then shock them with lighting to kill them. When has he ever done so ?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Khan dies first Based on ?

If cap's shield can handle thor's strength plus lightning, it can handle force strength plus lightning.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
If cap's shield can handle thor's strength plus lightning, it can handle force strength plus lightning. Fl isn't that strong anyways. It is quite the weak attack.

... It was a pun.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
If cap's shield can handle thor's strength plus lightning, it can handle force strength plus lightning.

Could handle what? What exactly is Cap going to do when he's TK stomped all over the room or held up in the air unable to do a thing? His shield has absolutely no relevance to this fight. The emperor would likely just rip it out of his hands and beat him with it. The only thing it might do is block lighting, but who cares, the emperor can stomp him in many ways besides that.

This is a non fight. The emperor stomps before they even know what hit them.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Could handle what? What exactly is Cap going to do when he's TK stomped all over the room or held up in the air unable to do a thing? His shield has absolutely no relevance to this fight. The emperor would likely just rip it out of his hands and beat him with it. The only thing it might do is block lighting, but who cares, the emperor can stomp him in many ways besides that.

This is a non fight. The emperor stomps before they even know what hit them. Give me an example of him doing so to someone as formidable as what he's up against here. In Star Wars these guys don't fight based off your biased perceptions of the characters. You have to cite evidence to back your claims.

I've never seen a jedi force push mor than opponent at a time.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I've never seen a jedi force push mor than opponent at a time. What is worse is the examples of Palpatine has him being arrogant and quite stupid in actual battle. It's as bad as saying Superman hits someone a million times before they can even blink. It's disingenuous and the fact certain posters can't see the hypocrisy in suggesting such a thing makes it all wondrous irony.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
If cap's shield can handle thor's strength plus lightning, it can handle force strength plus lightning.

Cap could throw Khan's dead body at Sideous.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ridiculous.

He force pushed Maul and Savage and pinned them against the wall without showing any problems what so ever doing so, and beforehand he choked two guards (Mandalorians no less) without even seeing them while lifting them into the air. Later we see him ragdolling Maul lifting him up and throwing him against the wall again with ease. We have seen Dooku, who is inferior to Sidious blasting three opponents with lightning, pinning each of them in mid air, before throwing them through a window. Add in the fact that Sidious lifted three senate pods at the same time, I don't think based on this, that claiming Sidious is going to stomp here is a overstatement.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Can the emperor take cap or khan or bucky? Yes, but not at the same time. Also cap abd bucky got crazy teamwork going for them.

Why not? He lifted those mandalorian guards with little effort, he also lifted about 4 senate pods which weight a lot more than these three combined, so why can't he take all three at once with his force powers? Sidious has the force.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has he ever done so ?

Well he did TK maul and savage at once, and then he threw maul around with TK, then shocked him with lightning, he choked out two sets of mandalorian guards, me without hand gestures, force choked Anakin and shocked him almost simontaneously, and threw around several senate pods. So yea.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He force pushed Maul and Savage and pinned them against the wall without showing any problems what so ever doing so, and beforehand he choked two guards (Mandalorians no less) without even seeing them while lifting them into the air. Later we see him ragdolling Maul lifting him up and throwing him against the wall again with ease. We have seen Dooku, who is inferior to Sidious blasting three opponents with lightning, pinning each of them in mid air, before throwing them through a window. Add in the fact that Sidious lifted three senate pods at the same time, I don't think based on this, that claiming Sidious is going to stomp here is a overstatement. Yes, and in character he didn't beat them with the attack so you scripted the rest and what's worse yet had him act out of character. He did choke two guards but not before they had him in their sets and gave him a warning. They had two seconds to shoot. Khan will just as soon as he can so he'd be dead in that exact same situation. In this thread his opponents will also see him. Palpatine had the benefit of cheapshot attacking them without warning.



And we also saw Yoda stop a senate pod coming right at him but we also saw him force push Palpatine who is less durable than a senate pod. He was fine. Palpatine's Lightning has been survived by even himself for over thirty seconds. Weak attack.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well he did TK maul and savage at once, and then he threw maul around with TK, then shocked him with lightning, he choked out two sets of mandalorian guards, me without hand gestures, force choked Anakin and shocked him almost simontaneously, and threw around several senate pods. So yea. I have responded to all of this in grand detail before. You repeating the same points I have rebutted is just spam.

Khan can tank the attacks and has superior cellular regeneration that either of those two along with superior firepower and weaponry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Give me an example of him doing so to someone as formidable as what he's up against here. In Star Wars these guys don't fight based off your biased perceptions of the characters. You have to cite evidence to back your claims.

To somebody as formidable? He does it to people more formidable. He temp KO'd Yoda with one blast. Yoda is far far beyond ANYBODY on this team. He held in stasis Maul and Savage... again two people more formidable than anybody on this team. They have a lightsaber... Force powers and were treated like feebs by Sidious. The point is, do you actually Sidious couldn't ragdoll anybody on this team or hold them in stasis... do you actually believe they could resist Sidious moving or holding them if they didn't want to be held?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have responded to all of this in grand detail before. You repeating the same points I have rebutted is just spam.

Khan can tank the attacks and has superior cellular regeneration that either of those two along with superior firepower and weaponry.

We'll see that would work if you actaully rebutted them, but you didn't so. Saying the madalorians are feat less is irrevant as they were choked out with ease without hand gestures and aren't force sensitives which is the same category as khan since he has no defense to TK like them, so you agree he could have taken maul and savage down at the start of the fight then with TK thus he can do the same to all of these guys since they have no defense to TK aswell, and so many other holes in your "rebuttal".

Someone can tank attacks all thy want doesn't mean they eventually won't go down. Well that's because Sidious has no blasters and all he has or lightsabers that can deflect lasers and such and the force which is all he is using here IIRC. So really he ends this in the first 10 seconds, he just chokes them out since they are a waste of his time and can't provide any fun for him. He gives them the mandalorian treatment.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
To somebody as formidable? He does it to people more formidable. He temp KO'd Yoda with one blast. Yoda is far far beyond ANYBODY on this team. He held in stasis Maul and Savage... again two people more formidable than anybody on this team. They have a lightsaber... Force powers and were treated like feebs by Sidious. The point is, do you actually Sidious couldn't ragdoll anybody on this team or hold them in stasis... do you actually believe they could resist Sidious moving or holding them if they didn't want to be held? No, Yoda isn't. Yoda is a little dog who weighs probably 100 lbs at best. You continue to make baseless claims they are more formidable but that isn't proving it. Sidious didn't beat them with his force powers so you can't argue that he does since its out of character. Sidious is slow to react. Khan kills him by himself while the other two download porn.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
We'll see that would work if you actaully rebutted them, but you didn't so. Saying the madalorians are feat less is irrevant as they were choked out with ease without hand gestures and aren't force sensitives which is the same category as khan since he has no defense to TK like them, so you agree he could have taken maul and savage down at the start of the fight then with TK thus he can do the same to all of these guys since they have no defense to TK aswell, and so many other holes in your "rebuttal".

Someone can tank attacks all thy want doesn't mean they eventually won't go down. Well that's because Sidious has no blasters and all he has or lightsabers that can deflect lasers and such and the force which is all he is using here IIRC. So really he ends this in the first 10 seconds, he just chokes them out since they are a waste of his time and can't provide any fun for him. He gives them the mandalorian treatment. Palpatine waited two seconds which is half the time Khan needs. No, I don't and he didn't so my opinion is reinforced by the fight. Khan shoots first and he dies. Both supported by multiple instances of evidence.


Mandalorians with no feats, who didn't shoot ASAP, and in another room while these guys are all in the same room aware thus it is irrelevant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine waited two seconds which is half the time Khan needs. No, I don't and he didn't so my opinion is reinforced by the fight. Khan shoots first and he dies. Both supported by multiple instances of evidence.


Mandalorians with no feats, who didn't shoot ASAP, and in another room while these guys are all in the same room aware thus it is irrelevant.

Well who says that exact same thing will happen which it won't. Since they will be starting at a starting distance aware of where each other is, Sidious can just choke them out since he doesn't need hand gestures. No your opinion isn't reinforced. Still waiting on your so called evidence.

Not having feats aren't really that important in this instance. They fit all of Khan's criteria. They don't have the force, he is basically a blaster wielding assailant, and we have seen how Sidious dealt with them and he immediantly choked them out, no one here except Sidious has defenses to TK, so,really all evidence points to he just chokes them out or he can throw them around, I'm fine with either you wanna know why cause Sidious wins in all of them.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well who says that exact same thing will happen which it won't. Since they will be starting at a starting distance aware of where each other is, Sidious can just choke them out since he doesn't need hand gestures. No your opinion isn't reinforced. Still waiting on your so called evidence.

Not having feats aren't really that important in this instance. They fit all of Khan's criteria. They don't have the force, he is basically a blaster wielding assailant, and we have seen how Sidious dealt with them and he immediantly choked them out, no one here except Sidious has defenses to TK, so,really all evidence points to he just chokes them out or he can throw them around, I'm fine with either you wanna know why cause Sidious wins in all of them. So you don't have any evidence to back your claims and want to ignore your own evidence.

No, they don't. It's like saying look at this Jedi or Sith and they sit the same criteria. Your brain doesn't function. We see Sidious is arrogant and leaves himself open to attack. Khan mows him down.

No, as your own evidence shows arrogance, featless foes, and Sith easily tanking tk throws.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you don't have any evidence to back your claims and want to ignore your own evidence.

No, they don't. It's like saying look at this Jedi or Sith and they sit the same criteria. Your brain doesn't function. We see Sidious is arrogant and leaves himself open to attack. Khan mows him down.

No, as your own evidence shows arrogance, featless foes, and Sith easily tanking tk throws.

https://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg 0:34-0:40 he chokes the first set. 1:03-1:14 he chokes the second set without hand gestures. Well there's proof there. Also Khan fits there same mold. Blaster wielding assailant, and not worth Sidious' time. So really there's the evidence Khan goes down, and the rest of his team will follow.

All of this in the second paragraph is irrelevant and has no bearing on what I said. What does have baring is that I'm still waiting on you to provide evidence that this team will survive a force choke assault by Sidious.



Where was the evidence where he choked the mandalorian guards that he was arrogant and left himself exposed. The guards were ready by the time he got off the ship. That won't happen here since by the rules they are at a fair starting distance and each knows they are right there. Again in this instance fearless doesn't matter as the team is basically the same since they have no feats to suggest they can tank his force choke or any other TK. I've already explained him TKing maul and Savage, which only further proves he can TK this team since we don't have force walls.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
https://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg 0:34-0:40 he chokes the first set. 1:03-1:14 he chokes the second set without hand gestures. Well there's proof there. Also Khan fits there same mold. Blaster wielding assailant, and not worth Sidious' time. So really there's the evidence Khan goes down, and the rest of his team will follow.

All of this in the second paragraph is irrelevant and has no bearing on what I said. What does have baring is that I'm still waiting on you to provide evidence that this team will survive a force choke assault by Sidious.



Where was the evidence where he choked the mandalorian guards that he was arrogant and left himself exposed. The guards were ready by the time he got off the ship. That won't happen here since by the rules they are at a fair starting distance and each knows they are right there. Again in this instance fearless doesn't matter as the team is basically the same since they have no feats to suggest they can tank his force choke or any other TK. I've already explained him TKing maul and Savage, which only further proves he can TK this team since we don't have force walls. First two had two seconds to short first. Khan wins. The second batch weren't in the same room so it is inapplicable to this thread since they definitely are.

The evidence is he didn't initially attack but calmly walked into their direction leaving himself exposed for two seconds. Based off this evidence Khan wins as he's ruthless enough to shoot first unlike that pansy Han.

You already conceded the point when you acknowledged he released them so it isn't in character to act the way you want him to. Shame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
First two had two seconds to short first. Khan wins. The second batch weren't in the same room so it is inapplicable to this thread since they definitely are.

The evidence is he didn't initially attack but calmly walked into their direction leaving himself exposed for two seconds. Based off this evidence Khan wins as he's ruthless enough to shoot first unlike that pansy Han.

You already conceded the point when you acknowledged he released them so it isn't in character to act the way you want him to. Shame.

Again look at the situation. He walked off the ship when they were already ready, the same can't be said here since by rules they will start off at a starting distance full aware that the other is there. Actually the second set is acceptable since we know he can choke all three or at least 2 without hand gestures and then use hands to choke the other one or all three at once.

Again he was at the disadvantage since when he walked down they were already ready. So based off evidence no one on the khan team will get a chance to shoot or anything since he just going to choke them out from the start.

Are Khan, Rogers, and Bucky force weilders? No? Are they Maul and Savage?No. Are these 3 lightsaber deulist? No. What are they? Closest thing to what Sidious is used to are blaster wielding assailants, so with that he will treat them as such and we have seen them get choked from the start get choked and died, so ou really have no evidence to rebut, no situation in those scenes that say Sidious won't just choke them from the start since the evidence says he will choke them outright. Your move.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again look at the situation. He walked off the ship when they were already ready, the same can't be said here since by rules they will start off at a starting distance full aware that the other is there. Actually the second set is acceptable since we know he can choke all three or at least 2 without hand gestures and then use hands to choke the other one or all three at once.

Again he was at the disadvantage since when he walked down they were already ready. So based off evidence no one on the khan team will get a chance to shoot or anything since he just going to choke them out from the start.

Are Khan, Rogers, and Bucky force weilders? No? Are they Maul and Savage?No. Are these 3 lightsaber deulist? No. What are they? Closest thing to what Sidious is used to are blaster wielding assailants, so with that he will treat them as such and we have seen them get choked from the start get choked and died, so ou really have no evidence to rebut, no situation in those scenes that say Sidious won't just choke them from the start since the evidence says he will choke them outright. Your move. He allowed them the time to put their guns on him and utter the word halt. Sidious didn't treat them as legit threats and luckily they didn't fire. Khan fires as soon as he can but Palpatine doesn't.

There is no evidence he does that right from the start nor do you have any evidence to suggest as such.

The point is moot since you agreed he let them up. The force wasn't used to counter so he will willingly release because as I've proven he's and idiot. There's a reason Vader tossed him down the shaft. He's an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He allowed them the time to put their guns on him and utter the word halt. Sidious didn't treat them as legit threats and luckily they didn't fire. Khan fires as soon as he can but Palpatine doesn't.

There is no evidence he does that right from the start nor do you have any evidence to suggest as such.

The point is moot since you agreed he let them up. The force wasn't used to counter so he will willingly release because as I've proven he's and idiot. There's a reason Vader tossed him down the shaft. He's an idiot.

He didn't allow them, he immediately came out with them ready. Do you need to see the scen again. So again this scene shows he will choke them outright since that's how he basically treats blaster wielding assailants.

Choking them outright seems proof enough

So they aren't the same. He let them go that time, these are different people he has never met or had dealings with so really he's just going to end them since they aren't worth his time. Actually it was. As I've proven Force weilders have force walls and Sidious is just to powerful for maul and savage and since khan or anyone here isn't even a force weilder so they can't handle his TK and then like we have seen he will just choke them out since the closest thing to them is a blaster wielding assailant and what we have seen is he just chokes them out immediantly.

Khan alone? Yeah, I think he loses. But this scenario . . . I dunno. It's not as if the Avengers haven't beaten TK opponents. I mean c'mon, you've got Loki who can more or less do everything movie Sidious can do, but better (i.e. doing pretty well against Thor). Not to mention Scarlet Witch.
If we were talking about ordinary humans like the mandalorian guards, sure, but Cap and Bucky can do stuff like pull moving helicopters going in an opposing direction (see the recent trailer) and are agile enough to literally run circles around friggin Iron Man at close range. We're talking about movie Sidious here (none of that EU DBZ stuff), so he gets beaten.

Ok I see where your coming from, I just believe that none of them here are going to survive Sidious immediantly choking them out, but that's just me.

Jedi and Sith have much better speed and precog feats than Cap or Khan or Bucky and Sidious ragdolls the best of them easily. He takes this with TK/ Force lightning combo easy

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He didn't allow them, he immediately came out with them ready. Do you need to see the scen again. So again this scene shows he will choke them outright since that's how he basically treats blaster wielding assailants.

Choking them outright seems proof enough

So they aren't the same. He let them go that time, these are different people he has never met or had dealings with so really he's just going to end them since they aren't worth his time. Actually it was. As I've proven Force weilders have force walls and Sidious is just to powerful for maul and savage and since khan or anyone here isn't even a force weilder so they can't handle his TK and then like we have seen he will just choke them out since the closest thing to them is a blaster wielding assailant and what we have seen is he just chokes them out immediantly. He was arrogant and let time pass. Two seconds and that amount of time will get him killed.

They had the chance to fire they didn't. Khan will.

So you have no proof right out of the gate he will attack without mercy as you claimed. You haven't proven that and we have seen Ventress force choke Anakin and Kenobi thus decimating your laughable claim.

Khan guns him down as he casually walks in his direction.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was arrogant and let time pass. Two seconds and that amount of time will get him killed.

They had the chance to fire they didn't. Khan will.


This is simply your assertion, and rather empty.

More than likely Sidious would not leave his life to "chance". It could be explained by Sidious being able to use the force to sense their intentions and knew the moment they would actually fire.

If we used the same level of "what if" analysis on any character, you could make a case for anyone being retarded/lucky/foolish. What if Khan's plan didn't work, then he would be an idiot wouldn't he? What if Khan did this instead of that, he would have succeeded more easily - therefore he is an idiot. etc.

The point of the scene was to show Sidious' formidability.

Originally posted by Placidity
This is simply your assertion, and rather empty.

More than likely Sidious would not leave his life to "chance". It could be explained by Sidious being able to use the force to sense their intentions and knew the moment they would actually fire.

If we used the same level of "what if" analysis on any character, you could make a case for anyone being retarded/lucky/foolish. What if Khan's plan didn't work, then he would be an idiot wouldn't he? What if Khan did this instead of that, he would have succeeded more easily - therefore he is an idiot. etc.

The point of the scene was to show Sidious' formidability. I have proven this assertion with multiple examples. It's funny you should say this because evidence proves Sidious leaves his life to chance quite often.

Khan's behavior is the same. He shoots to kill and wouldn't have a plan outside of being in the best tactical position and to attack without mercy. Palpatine doesn't have this approach. He is arrogant and plays with his opponents. Shitty tactics in combat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's funny you should say this because evidence proves Sidious leaves his life to chance quite often.


According to your interpretation which disallows any possibility of Sidious having foresight, which is unreasonable given that:

"Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design."

You can poke holes in this if you try hard enough, and while clearly Sidious' clairvoyance is not infallible, but the evidence is there.

Even getting his face melted may have been intentional. The appearance of his scars alone to the Senate would have carried emotional impact and justification for his declaration against the Jedi. Sidious is a master of manipulation.

" The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger. "

Originally posted by Placidity
According to your interpretation which disallows any possibility of Sidious having foresight, which is unreasonable given that:

"Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design."

You can poke holes in this if you try hard enough, and while clearly Sidious' clairvoyance is not infallible, but the evidence is there.

Even getting his face melted may have been intentional. The appearance of his scars alone to the Senate would have carried emotional impact and justification for his declaration against the Jedi. Sidious is a master of manipulation.

" The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger. " That is a vague comment which doesn't specifically address anything. He later goes on to be tossed down a shaft but he didn't see that coming. He was torturing a man's son right in front of him. It doesn't take the force to tell you you're playing with fire.

He just used the tools he had to his advantage. Absence of evidence isn't evidence.


Palpatine used the scars to his advantage but at no point did the film allude your conjecture.

lol Quan your a joke man, Sidious; like all Force users has pre cog, his is noticeably better than most any other Force user other than Yoda, how can you sit there and try to argue that these regular, albeit enchanted humans would be a match for Sidious when he has easily defeated Jedi and Sith that dwarf these three in reflex and speed abilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was arrogant and let time pass. Two seconds and that amount of time will get him killed.

They had the chance to fire they didn't. Khan will.

So you have no proof right out of the gate he will attack without mercy as you claimed. You haven't proven that and we have seen Ventress force choke Anakin and Kenobi thus decimating your laughable claim.

Khan guns him down as he casually walks in his direction.

You would have to prove that same two seconds will happen here. Show the proof for it.

Above.

Choking out two mandalorians seem proof enough. We also see Dooku take Anakins TK Storm. Laughable I think not.

Originally posted by relentless1
lol Quan your a joke man, Sidious; like all Force users has pre cog, his is noticeably better than most any other Force user other than Yoda, how can you sit there and try to argue that these regular, albeit enchanted humans would be a match for Sidious when he has easily defeated Jedi and Sith that dwarf these three in reflex and speed abilities. Yoda was hit by an attack that took two seconds to execute and Palpatine warned him about beforehand. I can give example after example. We see order 66 rape Jedi without the lube. There's a reason Palpatine valued the forces he held because they were far superior than Jedi.

These guys are all super soldiers. Khan himself kills Palpatine before he monologues. The rest sit back and admire Khan while he does so.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You would have to prove that same two seconds will happen here. Show the proof for it.

Above.

Choking out two mandalorians seem proof enough. We also see Dooku take Anakins TK Storm. Laughable I think not. The proof is he doesn't have any defenses up and is just walking. He didn't attack right away without mercy but calmly walked up.

Your clip proves Khan kills him before he does anything. He won't even try to defend himself based off the clip as it'll be over before he knows it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The proof is he doesn't have any defenses up and is just walking. He didn't attack right away without mercy but calmly walked up.

Your clip proves Khan kills him before he does anything. He won't even try to defend himself based off the clip as it'll be over before he knows it.

In that instance in which he is in complete control over. Anyway, that's not proof that the exact same thing is goigm to happen. So where is the proof that what happened between him and the mandalorians will happen again? I'll ask you one more time.

Well, it's not surprising that he appeared not to do anything since Sidious is a master amnipualtor and foresight, so he had control over that situation, and had precog to know they wouldn't shoot. With Khan and the other he will know to just end it and not take chances.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
In that instance in which he is in complete control over. Anyway, that's not proof that the exact same thing is goigm to happen. So where is the proof that what happened between him and the mandalorians will happen again? I'll ask you one more time.

Well, it's not surprising that he appeared not to do anything since Sidious is a master amnipualtor and foresight, so he had control over that situation, and had precog to know they wouldn't shoot. With Khan and the other he will know to just end it and not take chances. No, he isn't but instead is arrogant and attacks on his own time. You posted the proof and have not one solid piece of evidence that backs your claims. Onus is on you.


Sidious died like an idiot. Khan killed someone with galactic power and he will do the same to Sidious. He's smarter, more ruthless, and has superior tactical acumen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he isn't but instead is arrogant and attacks on his own time. You posted the proof and have not one solid piece of evidence that backs your claims. Onus is on you.


Sidious died like an idiot. Khan killed someone with galactic power and he will do the same to Sidious. He's smarter, more ruthless, and has superior tactical acumen.

No he's just that good and is in control of the situation and has his foresight. So you agree that what I posted is proof and since it shows him choking the mandalorian guards outright you agree that proof shows he will choke this team out from the start. You also agree that since this is proof that the guards were already ready, Sidious came down into a "disadvantaged" position and handled them so you agree with everything I do. This debate is over.

All wrong in this one. Sidious took down an entire government, eluded an entire Jedi council powered by the force, deceived Dooki one of the most brilliant people ever, stalemated Yoda and Mace Windu, and is actually better than Windu, speed blitzed 2 Jedi masters who are own the council, and killed another in seconds and could have killed all four very quickly if he so chose to, mastered all dark side powers, is the most powerful Sith of all time, created galactic power, had complete and absolute power, eradicated most of the Jedi, became more powerful during ROTJ, and so much more. Khan doesn't compete.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No he's just that good and is in control of the situation and has his foresight. So you agree that what I posted is proof and since it shows him choking the mandalorian guards outright you agree that proof shows he will choke this team out from the start. You also agree that since this is proof that the guards were already ready, Sidious came down into a "disadvantaged" position and handled them so you agree with everything I do. This debate is over.

All wrong in this one. Sidious took down an entire government, eluded an entire Jedi council powered by the force, deceived Dooki one of the most brilliant people ever, stalemated Yoda and Mace Windu, and is actually better than Windu, speed blitzed 2 Jedi masters who are own the council, and killed another in seconds and could have killed all four very quickly if he so chose to, mastered all dark side powers, is the most powerful Sith of all time, created galactic power, had complete and absolute power, eradicated most of the Jedi, became more powerful during ROTJ, and so much more. Khan doesn't compete. No, they were just that bad. He gave Yoda over thirty five seconds to recover because he's an idiot. He also didn't foresee Vader killing him.

Sidious hid behind the shadows in a path his previous master set him on. In the end he died because he was downright dense in the slow gradual torture of Luke. The rest is you just saying the same old baseless shit you have always stated.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they were just that bad. He gave Yoda over thirty five seconds to recover because he's an idiot. He also didn't foresee Vader killing him.

Sidious hid behind the shadows in a path his previous master set him on. In the end he died because he was downright dense in the slow gradual torture of Luke. The rest is you just saying the same old baseless shit you have always stated.



You agreed so it's over.

Doesn't change anything. He makes Khan look like a child trying to play police officer.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You agreed so it's over.

Doesn't change anything. He makes Khan look like a child trying to play police officer. If you thought I agreed with you either didn't read the post or didn't understand it. Both are legit reasons why no one takes you seriously.


Khan killed his oppressor while Palpatine's most trusted 86'd him. Khan always comes out on top in every manner against Sheev.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you thought I agreed with you either didn't read the post or didn't understand it. Both are legit reasons why no one takes you seriously.


Khan killed his oppressor while Palpatine's most trusted 86'd him. Khan always comes out on top in every manner against Sheev.

Well I mean you pretty much did agree, and there is no way around what I said, and since you like to ignore even the most explicit proof, it's obvious that you agreed since you said that the proof I presented, showed everything I said, you just ignore it. It's not my fault you're a troll.

Except in power, intelligence, speed, manipulation, feats and every other regard in the world, except I guess looks. Other than than that Sidious wins. So this debate is over, I win as always, and I guess we shall continue another in the Star Wars versus forum.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well I mean you pretty much did agree, and there is no way around what I said, and since you like to ignore even the most explicit proof, it's obvious that you agreed since you said that the proof I presented, showed everything I said, you just ignore it. It's not my fault you're a troll.

Except in power, intelligence, speed, manipulation, feats and every other regard in the world, except I guess looks. Other than than that Sidious wins. So this debate is over, I win as always, and I guess we shall continue another in the Star Wars versus forum. I explained in painstaking detail the flaws in your logic, your evidence, and your brain.

No, in all manners Khan wins. Younger, stronger, smarter, better skill, better weaponry, bigger cock.

You conceded when you posted a two second feat before Palpatine attacked.

I'm honestly not sure why the lightsaber was removed as it doesn't make much of a difference. Especially when Khan has his gun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I explained in painstaking detail the flaws in your logic, your evidence, and your brain.

No, in all manners Khan wins. Younger, stronger, smarter, better skill, better weaponry, bigger cock.

You conceded when you posted a two second feat before Palpatine attacked.

Actually you haven't since you really haven't explained anything. Game over.

Youth. Sidious beat maul and savage, those guards, and had Vader afraid to face him by himself and guess what they are all younger. Sidious has the force which will make him stronger. Sidious manipulated an entire government and became emperor, that beats anything Khan has done. Sidious has the power of the force to its highest degrees second only to EU Luke. Well if you mean like physical weapons like his gun vs LIGHTSBAER it's debatable.

You conceded the moment you tried to say that two second feat woudl translate into this battle.

This is has more dynamics then just Khan, how about you stope debating off this like its the Sideous vs Khan thread.

Canon Palpatine, I assume. What timeframe?

ROTS

And though Palpatine is unarmed, I assume he can still use the Force to enhance his strength, speed, and agility?

I would say everything but speed. Since we only saw him do that in saber combat, I think it goes against rules to use that for non saber feats.

......huh?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually you haven't since you really haven't explained anything. Game over.

Youth. Sidious beat maul and savage, those guards, and had Vader afraid to face him by himself and guess what they are all younger. Sidious has the force which will make him stronger. Sidious manipulated an entire government and became emperor, that beats anything Khan has done. Sidious has the power of the force to its highest degrees second only to EU Luke. Well if you mean like physical weapons like his gun vs LIGHTSBAER it's debatable.

You conceded the moment you tried to say that two second feat woudl translate into this battle. Yes, I have.

Maul and Savage were both not tk beaten like dogs as you would claim. In that fight he needed his saber to defend himself. This is a wrap.

Eu Luke isn't canon. Why do you so blatantly troll and disregard the rules ? You have no respect for the movie versus forum and I despise you.


Palpatine's cavalier approach gets him killed. He displayed it against Yoda, madanlorians, Luke, etc.


Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I have.

Maul and Savage were both not tk beaten like dogs as you would claim. In that fight he needed his saber to defend himself. This is a wrap.

Eu Luke isn't canon. Why do you so blatantly troll and disregard the rules ? You have no respect for the movie versus forum and I despise you.


Palpatine's cavalier approach gets him killed. He displayed it against Yoda, madanlorians, Luke, etc.


Khan wins.

What did I say? Game over. I win, you lose again.


Well that there is irrelevant since they were TK dominated, maul twice,showing Sidious had the potential to do it he just chose not to.

I, not,disregarding rules. I'm just showing you just how powerful eh is that canon isn't big enough for Sidious. Well you know it would at least ring in my head that you despise me, except you have no reason to. I stay within the rules with the exception of when I first started here I attempted to use the books for hart potter but after getting the hang of it, I've stayed with the rules, and would only use non movie/TCW Rebels material just emphasize. Don't act like you've never broken the rules here.

Guess what, he killed throw guards, and became Emperor and really based on the evidence I've seen anyone in Sidious position wouldn't have expected Vader to do as he did.

Actaully this is a 3v1. So let me fix it for you. Rogers, Khan, and Bucky all lose to Sidious. No one has shown how,they get passe his TK choke or,any attacks.

EU feats are not welcome here.

Cut the crap

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
What did I say? Game over. I win, you lose again.


Well that there is irrelevant since they were TK dominated, maul twice,showing Sidious had the potential to do it he just chose not to.

I, not,disregarding rules. I'm just showing you just how powerful eh is that canon isn't big enough for Sidious. Well you know it would at least ring in my head that you despise me, except you have no reason to. I stay within the rules with the exception of when I first started here I attempted to use the books for hart potter but after getting the hang of it, I've stayed with the rules, and would only use non movie/TCW Rebels material just emphasize. Don't act like you've never broken the rules here.

Guess what, he killed throw guards, and became Emperor and really based on the evidence I've seen anyone in Sidious position wouldn't have expected Vader to do as he did.

Actaully this is a 3v1. So let me fix it for you. Rogers, Khan, and Bucky all lose to Sidious. No one has shown how,they get passe his TK choke or,any attacks. You lost and you're such a sore loser you tried citing eu feats.

So you agree he doesn't choose to hence my point. It isn't in character. Boom. **** yeah.


Already explained. Quit breaking the rules.


Khan kills him with one shot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You lost and you're such a sore loser you tried citing eu feats.

So you agree he doesn't choose to hence my point. It isn't in character. Boom. **** yeah.


Already explained. Quit breaking the rules.


Khan kills him with one shot.

Why would I be a sore loser when I won?

We'll see he did that beciase he knows maul, he knows he capabilities. He doesn't know this team, so they won't have the same benefit. They get the mandalorian treatment and get choked out.

Explained why you broke the rules? There is no explanation, you broke them. So you're a hypocrite.

Hard to do that while he and the the others are being choked.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Why would I be a sore loser when I won?

We'll see he did that beciase he knows maul, he knows he capabilities. He doesn't know this team, so they won't have the same benefit. They get the mandalorian treatment and get choked out.

Explained why you broke the rules? There is no explanation, you broke them. So you're a hypocrite.

Hard to do that while he and the the others are being choked. You did not win and actually tried breaking the rules.

He knew Yoda as well and gambled. He waits for mandalorians and doesn't try killing anyone right out of the fate.

Khan shoots him in far less time than 2 seconds.

Qui Gon and Obi Wan move at very high speed in TPM, Sidious is greater than them so why wouldn't he be able to do the same? All his attribute would be Force enhanced, he would take all three easily enough. Easier with his lightsaber tho so I can see why it was removed.

Originally posted by relentless1
Qui Gon and Obi Wan move at very high speed in TPM, Sidious is greater than them so why wouldn't he be able to do the same? All his attribute would be Force enhanced, he would take all three easily enough. Easier with his lightsaber tho so I can see why it was removed. They move at high sprint speed away from combat. Bruce Lee can't fight while sprinting with the same control or reflexes. Awful debating here.

Sidious tried getting away from Yoda. It failed and Yoda needs a cane for gait.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You did not win and actually tried breaking the rules.

He knew Yoda as well and gambled. He waits for mandalorians and doesn't try killing anyone right out of the fate.

Khan shoots him in far less time than 2 seconds.

How is emphasizing breaking the rules?

No he didn't. He's never seen Yoda perform a deul, or use his powers up close. Where in the movies or TCW has he ever experienced Yoda's skills and power to the point he knew him just as well as Maul?

Again prove those two seconds will be here. Is Sidious walking off a ship and are these three recovering an unfair advantage? That seems rather unfair to me. They start off at an equal distance on I believe neutral ground and with a that Sidious just chokes them out.

This is a team effort not just Khan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How is emphasizing breaking the rules?

No he didn't. He's never seen Yoda perform a deul, or use his powers up close. Where in the movies or TCW has he ever experienced Yoda's skills and power to the point he knew him just as well as Maul?

Again prove those two seconds will be here. Is Sidious walking off a ship and are these three recovering an unfair advantage? That seems rather unfair to me. They start off at an equal distance on I believe neutral ground and with a that Sidious just chokes them out.

This is a team effort not just Khan. It is against the rules so it has no bearing.

So you are saying he didn't know enough about Yoda as an esteemed Jedi master ? You're saying he's so ignorant he just had no idea. Your brain is always pushing the pedal in reverse.

You used a feat in which he didn't attack immediately. You didn't back your claim.

The team isn't needed as Khan solos.

I thought I included Ozy from watchmen this from Op.

He's in it.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I would say everything but speed. Since we only saw him do that in saber combat, I think it goes against rules to use that for non saber feats.

If he can move that fast with a saber... he can move that fast without one right?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
If he can move that fast with a saber... he can move that fast without one right? Whats easier to do move your sword to parry another or dodge it completely by moving your entire body ?

He didn't just move his sword. When he killed the three acclaimed Jedi he flew and flipped in the air towards them and attacked. It was just simply moving his arm. He was moving AND attacking. Same with his fight with Savage and Maul.. he's moving freely and easily while attacking.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He didn't just move his sword. When he killed the three acclaimed Jedi he flew and flipped in the air towards them and attacked. It was just simply moving his arm. He was moving AND attacking. Same with his fight with Savage and Maul.. he's moving freely and easily while attacking. The movements and attacks took seconds so it wasn't quick at all. the Jedi were just sub par and not on his level save Mace.

We clearly see when fighting someone skilled and even the subpar Jedi that he needed the sabers when they actually attacked. The one who didn't die that is.

Sidious dodged a few Opress strikes without his swords but needed his swords for the majority of the attacks from both he and Maul. That's the point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is against the rules so it has no bearing.

So you are saying he didn't know enough about Yoda as an esteemed Jedi master ? You're saying he's so ignorant he just had no idea. Your brain is always pushing the pedal in reverse.

You used a feat in which he didn't attack immediately. You didn't back your claim.

The team isn't needed as Khan solos. k

I'm not using it as evidence though so not agaisnt the rules.

That's a vague designation. You can say he's an esteemed fencer but you don't know how he fights, mind set, or anything. You just know he is and in that time everyone was called an esteemed Jedi master, Yoda, mace, Obi wan, polo Koon, mundi, all of them.

Context says he can since in that scene he had to come out of the ship and they were already ready. He choked them regardless and Khan and his companions will follow suit.

It's still a team effort, and khan dies along with the rest of them.

If Palpatine's allowed to dodge then he wins. If not he still has a chance but he will likely lose some as well.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
k

I'm not using it as evidence though so not agaisnt the rules.

That's a vague designation. You can say he's an esteemed fencer but you don't know how he fights, mind set, or anything. You just know he is and in that time everyone was called an esteemed Jedi master, Yoda, mace, Obi wan, polo Koon, mundi, all of them.

Context says he can since in that scene he had to come out of the ship and they were already ready. He choked them regardless and Khan and his companions will follow suit.

It's still a team effort, and khan dies along with the rest of them. Then don't bring it up. Simple like you.

Yes, I do and I refer raced multiple showings to demonstrate his arrogance and combat retardation.

Based off what feats ?

Khan kills ruthlessly whereas Palpatine walks slowly and arrogantly at his foes. Difference.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The movements and attacks took seconds so it wasn't quick at all. the Jedi were just sub par and not on his level save Mace.

We clearly see when fighting someone skilled and even the subpar Jedi that he needed the sabers when they actually attacked. The one who didn't die that is.

Sidious dodged a few Opress strikes without his swords but needed his swords for the majority of the attacks from both he and Maul. That's the point.

False, the attacks happened so fast a human couldn't dream of reacting in time.

This is gotten old.

Adding in some new stips.

We add in a two weeks prep for ozy and time since they cant see the future..

And well give Sidious 3 day prep and he can use the force to see the future.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
False, the attacks happened so fast a human couldn't dream of reacting in time. Not at all. We clearly see them in real time. Hell, Jango got off like 6 shots minimum at Wondu before he closed the gap. We don't avoid real time because you want to. Facts matter.

Of course real time doesn't matter in situations like this. The AUDIENCE HAS TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. Why is that so hard of a concept for you to grasp. This concept seems to constantly allude you. This is a common occurrence in movies, ya know, them actually being able to see the action.

Take for example, X-Men Origins... We see the bullets fired at Deadpool when he blocks like 100 fired at him. Does that mean they were slower than normal bullets? Of course not, but it made it cool to see. We seem movies capture bullets, missiles or other projectiles all the time... yet a human could never actually perceive them in real life. Yet in a movie we can. Does that mean they are slower bullets or missiles? Of course not, only a clown would say that.

That's why you should've read the books.. they illustrate exactly how these characters operate. Windu and Sids couldn't even be perceived by Anakin they were moving so fast. Yet, as the audience we can clearly see them... yet a force sensitive user of the highest order couldn't? So we have better perception than Anakin? Of course not. He's a clue for you, movies are made for the audience. Most times they actually like to show the audience what's happening. Shocking I know

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course real time doesn't matter in situations like this. The AUDIENCE HAS TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. Why is that so hard of a concept for you to grasp. This concept seems to constantly allude you. This is a common occurrence in movies, ya know, them actually being able to see the action.

Take for example, X-Men Origins... We see the bullets fired at Deadpool when he blocks like 100 fired at him. Does that mean they were slower than normal bullets? Of course not, but it made it cool to see. We seem movies capture bullets, missiles or other projectiles all the time... yet a human could never actually perceive them in real life. Yet in a movie we can. Does that mean they are slower bullets or missiles? Of course not, only a clown would say that.

That's why you should've read the books.. they illustrate exactly how these characters operate. Windu and Sids couldn't even be perceived by Anakin they were moving so fast. Yet, as the audience we can clearly see them... yet a force sensitive user of the highest order couldn't? So we have better perception than Anakin? Of course not. He's a clue for you, movies are made for the audience. Most times they actually like to show the audience what's happening. Shocking I know If you believe that real time doesn't matter you have to prove it. The only time they used force speed to run away they portrayed it in that manner. They made it clear and never fought at those speeds.

Proof in another movie doesn't have anything to do with Star Wars. Each fictional universe decides there isn't some commonality.


The books were meant to sell merchandise. The movie has all relevant information in the movie. As I said I already gave another example of Jango Fett firing off blasters and multiple shots before Windu can close the distance. You make the claim you prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you believe that real time doesn't matter you have to prove it. The only time they used force speed to run away they portrayed it in that manner. They made it clear and never fought at those speeds.

Proof in another movie doesn't have anything to do with Star Wars. Each fictional universe decides there isn't some commonality.


The books were meant to sell merchandise. The movie has all relevant information in the movie. As I said I already gave another example of Jango Fett firing off blasters and multiple shots before Windu can close the distance. You make the claim you prove it.

Huh?

Are you claiming missiles and bullets in movies are slower than real life because we can see them?

Sidious force chokes them to death.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh?

Are you claiming missiles and bullets in movies are slower than real life because we can see them? I am claiming the lasers and the real time actions by Jango are clearly on par with Mace's despite him not being a force sensitive.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is gotten old.

Adding in some new stips.

We add in a two weeks prep for ozy and time since they cant see the future..

And well give Sidious 3 day prep and he can use the force to see the future.

Well in that case then it's no need for the team to even step into the arena. Sidious is a master manipulator. He can think up some many things on the spot, and has tricked an entire rebellion. Imagine what he is going to do with this team.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well in that case then it's no need for the team to even step into the arena. Sidious is a master manipulator. He can think up some many things on the spot, and has tricked an entire rebellion. Imagine what he is going to do with this team. Sidious got manipulated by Luke FFS. Vader threw his girly ass to his untimely demise. Rebellion bested him, Kiddo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then don't bring it up. Simple like you.

Yes, I do and I refer raced multiple showings to demonstrate his arrogance and combat retardation.

Based off what feats ?

Khan kills ruthlessly whereas Palpatine walks slowly and arrogantly at his foes. Difference.

Actaully the second line in that paragraph was the answer to the EU thing just saying.

Non of which take place here since actually there aren't any. All of your examples al, had circumstances to the, that actaully answer the situation.

That he choked the mandalorian guards, and Khan and his gang are basically that, so based off of evidence they will be choked.

Choking people out seems pretty ruthless to me.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actaully the second line in that paragraph was the answer to the EU thing just saying.

Non of which take place here since actually there aren't any. All of your examples al, had circumstances to the, that actaully answer the situation.

That he choked the mandalorian guards, and Khan and his gang are basically that, so based off of evidence they will be choked.

Choking people out seems pretty ruthless to me. Concession accepted.

Point them out don't make vague non responses


After he arrogantly let his guard down.

It takes time and he does not do it right out of the gate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

Point them out don't make vague non responses


After he arrogantly let his guard down.

It takes time and he does not do it right out of the gate.

Never conceded.

Letting Maul and Savge down for one, not very stupid. He knew Maul and knew he wasn't a threat. Luke and Vader thing. He had Vader on a tight leach and Vader just blocked Luke from killing the emperor so what does that tell you? The man is a genius.

Guard was never down. He had control over the entire thing.

Yes he does do it right out the gate. He did it twice. He can do it pretty much instantly dude. He did it agaisnt Anakin pretty instant and Dooku as well.

Originally posted by Sinious
Sidious force chokes them to death.

Not really, Cap and Bucky could shoot him while under duress from a choke hold.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Never conceded.

Letting Maul and Savge down for one, not very stupid. He knew Maul and knew he wasn't a threat. Luke and Vader thing. He had Vader on a tight leach and Vader just blocked Luke from killing the emperor so what does that tell you? The man is a genius.

Guard was never down. He had control over the entire thing.

Yes he does do it right out the gate. He did it twice. He can do it pretty much instantly dude. He did it agaisnt Anakin pretty instant and Dooku as well. It is arrogance. He also gave Yoda theory five seconds to recover and then tried to book it away from the fight. Horrible combat decisions.

Vader killed his owner.

Prove it.


No, he let two seconds go by, let Maul and Opress go, and gave Yoda 35 seconds to recover because he's an asshat. Evidence speaks for my points.

Originally posted by Sinious
Sidious force chokes them to death. Khan guns him down. I can prove he fires quicker than Palpatine chokes.

Force choke does not work that fast.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Force choke does not work that fast.

Where is is shown any force power is insta kill even?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is arrogance. He also gave Yoda theory five seconds to recover and then tried to book it away from the fight. Horrible combat decisions.

Vader killed his owner.

Prove it.


No, he let two seconds go by, let Maul and Opress go, and gave Yoda 35 seconds to recover because he's an asshat. Evidence speaks for my points.

I mean when you shock someone like Yoda, who like you said is an esteemed Jedi master and the grandmaster when you shock him, you start to really think he can't do anything, so to him it wasn't a dumb decision. To us we have a third person view, so we know it was a bad decision, he didn't.

Now let's say the context shall we? Come on Quan let's examine the context.


Sidious isn't an idiot. He has never once needlessly let himself be put in danger. Sidious vs Windu, was in control, knew Anakin was coming and when, and had his power to fall back on, Luke vs Vader, he knew Vader was going to do that or, he had his massive power to help, Sidious vs the guards, again precog, and protocol, their orders aren't to shoot immediantly, unless it's clearly obvious they are a threat like a gigantic monster running towards you. So Sidiois had complete control over all of those situations.

No he chokes right out the gate. Waht was the first thing he did. He choked them out. He let them go because they were not a threat, and he knew they couldn't hurt him, Yoda I explained above. Keep on dreaming.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I mean when you shock someone like Yoda, who like you said is an esteemed Jedi master and the grandmaster when you shock him, you start to really think he can't do anything, so to him it wasn't a dumb decision. To us we have a third person view, so we know it was a bad decision, he didn't.

Now let's say the context shall we? Come on Quan let's examine the context.


Sidious isn't an idiot. He has never once needlessly let himself be put in danger. Sidious vs Windu, was in control, knew Anakin was coming and when, and had his power to fall back on, Luke vs Vader, he knew Vader was going to do that or, he had his massive power to help, Sidious vs the guards, again precog, and protocol, their orders aren't to shoot immediantly, unless it's clearly obvious they are a threat like a gigantic monster running towards you. So Sidiois had complete control over all of those situations.

No he chokes right out the gate. Waht was the first thing he did. He choked them out. He let them go because they were not a threat, and he knew they couldn't hurt him, Yoda I explained above. Keep on dreaming. When someone who showed up to kill you and you have them down and laugh until they recover it is moronic since he never killed Yoda. He intended to back when he issued order 66.

Yes, he is in combat. He was at Windu's mercy and was lucky to survive. He took facial scarring because of his idiocy. Vader killed Palpatine so he was moronic for prolonging Luke's torture and not just outright killing him.

His precog didn't even foresee Yoda blocking his exit so enough of that horseshit.

They were featless mooks and even they had the chance to fire but didn't. Khan won't hesitate. Sheev dies. One shot.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Where is is shown any force power is insta kill even? Let us see if any biased Sidious can answer this one ?

This is true. no Force ability has been shown to kill instantly. However, they have been shown to incapacitate instantly and once that happens, once Sidious does that to two out of three, he can then focus on killing one at a time.

Originally posted by relentless1
This is true. no Force ability has been shown to kill instantly. However, they have been shown to incapacitate instantly and once that happens, once Sidious does that to two out of there, he can then focus on killing one at a time. Post a clip so we can compare the timing of the feats. Let's do it you cowards.

Sidious vs Maul and Savage, rag dolls them and incapacitates Maul easily and quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8uXBdCIsrU

Vader choking various people, notice the instant Vader initiates the choke, the victims are completely incapacitated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NvFIK_beQ

Various Force push, notice how far each recipient is flung, none of them get up with any sort of quickness either, not quite incapacitated but definitely out of the fight for at least a good 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sromTpE4OE

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious vs Maul and Savage, rag dolls them and incapacitates Maul easily and quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8uXBdCIsrU

Vader choking various people, notice the instant Vader initiates the choke, the victims are completely incapacitated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NvFIK_beQ

Various Force push, notice how far each recipient is flung, none of them get up with any sort of quickness either, not quite incapacitated but definitely out of the fight for at least a good 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sromTpE4OE He defeated them after a long fight. He actually releases them so they aren't ko'd.

Vader takes over seven seconds with his chokes so not fast or instant and against no one impressive or with weaponry on hand.

We see Yoda force push Palpatine and it just knocks him back. It isn't that impressive at all. A violent shove.


This is a sad defense here. Very sad indeed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and in character he didn't beat them with the attack so you scripted the rest and what's worse yet had him act out of character. He did choke two guards but not before they had him in their sets and gave him a warning. They had two seconds to shoot. Khan will just as soon as he can so he'd be dead in that exact same situation. In this thread his opponents will also see him. Palpatine had the benefit of cheapshot attacking them without warning.



And we also saw Yoda stop a senate pod coming right at him but we also saw him force push Palpatine who is less durable than a senate pod. He was fine. Palpatine's Lightning has been survived by even himself for over thirty seconds. Weak attack.

I said that he pinned Savage and Maul against the wall and didn't show any problems doing so, so I didn't script anything, but please show me Sidious not pinning Maul and Savage against the wall effortlessly, it's your claim that he didn't after all. I didn't have him act out of character when he did it on screen, that is you projecting your thoughts on what Sidious should do onto the character, and your dislike for sidious as a character really isn't my problem. Kinda hard to shoot when you're either flying around in the air getting your faced slam into the ground, or is getting choked.

I don't at all see the comparison, did Khan, Bucky and Cap suddenly develop force powers I'm unaware off? Else I don't at all see what the point of using Yoda is.

Come on Utrigita, I thought you were smarter than this.

Originally posted by Placidity
Come on Utrigita, I thought you were smarter than this.

Yeah your right, didn't know what I was thinking. I blame the boring work

Not as boring as in engaging in "debate" with Quan.

Originally posted by Placidity
Not as boring as in engaging in "debate" with Quan.

Packing paper in boxes and sorting through journals gets close though

Originally posted by Utrigita
I said that he pinned Savage and Maul against the wall and didn't show any problems doing so, so I didn't script anything, but please show me Sidious not pinning Maul and Savage against the wall effortlessly, it's your claim that he didn't after all. I didn't have him act out of character when he did it on screen, that is you projecting your thoughts on what Sidious should do onto the character, and your dislike for sidious as a character really isn't my problem. Kinda hard to shoot when you're either flying around in the air getting your faced slam into the ground, or is getting choked.

I don't at all see the comparison, did Khan, Bucky and Cap suddenly develop force powers I'm unaware off? Else I don't at all see what the point of using Yoda is.



Ownage.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When someone who showed up to kill you and you have them down and laugh until they recover it is moronic since he never killed Yoda. He intended to back when he issued order 66.

Yes, he is in combat. He was at Windu's mercy and was lucky to survive. He took facial scarring because of his idiocy. Vader killed Palpatine so he was moronic for prolonging Luke's torture and not just outright killing him.

His precog didn't even foresee Yoda blocking his exit so enough of that horseshit.

They were featless mooks and even they had the chance to fire but didn't. Khan won't hesitate. Sheev dies. One shot.

What am I doing, Game was over pages ago. You already agreed to everything I said.

So you lost here since its baseless.

Again baseless.

And once again baseless.

You have failed to show how they get past force choke so for that reason game officials over.

Guys Sidious didn't Force choke anyone in ROTS so obviously he can't use Force choke he loses

^ No he can Force choke, it's just not IN CHARACTER for him to do so since he never did it on screen, therefore the choke argument is invalid.

Honestly hoping he was taking the piss there

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am claiming the lasers and the real time actions by Jango are clearly on par with Mace's despite him not being a force sensitive.

Good for Jango, but that doesn't mean Mace was moving at full speed in that sequence. Prove he was moving at full speed or stop acting like it's a fact he was. If you believe it to be a fact, when then, you'll have to prove that. For all we know Mace was being very deliberate there in his movements.

You still didn't answer the question... Are missiles and bullets in movies slower than in real life because we can see them? Your assertion that different fictional universes are their own entity and thus there is no crossover. This couldn't be further from the truth. We aren't just talking about X-Men universe or Spiderman Universe... we're talking regular every day movies.. even movies based on real life events. WE SEE BULLETS.... WE SEE MISSLIES... This is a COMMON theme in movies across ALL genres. Now, if you have info that in Star Wars, they specifically made the movie to show exactly how fast their movements were... well then you'll have to prove that as well. I have a canon book from the creator of the universe SPECICALLY and without Ambiguity saying how fast they can move. He tirelessly went over each and every line of the book and signed off on it. Including the parts about their speed. So why would he approve a book and lines about speed, but then in the movie, actually want them to be slower and adhere to real movie watching time? That makes no logical sense. What makes more logical sense is, that just like in other movies, he actually wanted the audience to see him fighting or blocking blaster fire... instead of the audience going... huh. So, post something from Lucas in his commentary or an interview saying the jedi can only move and real movie time speed or you've lost the argument.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I said that he pinned Savage and Maul against the wall and didn't show any problems doing so, so I didn't script anything, but please show me Sidious not pinning Maul and Savage against the wall effortlessly, it's your claim that he didn't after all. I didn't have him act out of character when he did it on screen, that is you projecting your thoughts on what Sidious should do onto the character, and your dislike for sidious as a character really isn't my problem. Kinda hard to shoot when you're either flying around in the air getting your faced slam into the ground, or is getting choked.

I don't at all see the comparison, did Khan, Bucky and Cap suddenly develop force powers I'm unaware off? Else I don't at all see what the point of using Yoda is. He caught them off guard just as Yoda caught Sidious off guard with a force push. Khan effortlessly shoots down Klingons as well but we can't just take away what these guys bring to the table which is different from the victims of Khan and Palpatine.

When Palpatine did hit Maul and Opress he also let them go which is in character. He didn't beat them or ko them with this attack.

Khan shoots while he is mid air and hits his target just fine. Claim backed.

They do not need force powers to compete as Jango and Cad Bane proved a matchup for Jedi who do have force powers.

Originally posted by Placidity
Not as boring as in engaging in "debate" with Quan. You sound rather intimidated by me.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Good for Jango, but that doesn't mean Mace was moving at full speed in that sequence. Prove he was moving at full speed or stop acting like it's a fact he was. If you believe it to be a fact, when then, you'll have to prove that. For all we know Mace was being very deliberate there in his movements.

You still didn't answer the question... Are missiles and bullets in movies slower than in real life because we can see them? Your assertion that different fictional universes are their own entity and thus there is no crossover. This couldn't be further from the truth. We aren't just talking about X-Men universe or Spiderman Universe... we're talking regular every day movies.. even movies based on real life events. WE SEE BULLETS.... WE SEE MISSLIES... This is a COMMON theme in movies across ALL genres. Now, if you have info that in Star Wars, they specifically made the movie to show exactly how fast their movements were... well then you'll have to prove that as well. I have a canon book from the creator of the universe SPECICALLY and without Ambiguity saying how fast they can move. He tirelessly went over each and every line of the book and signed off on it. Including the parts about their speed. So why would he approve a book and lines about speed, but then in the movie, actually want them to be slower and adhere to real movie watching time? That makes no logical sense. What makes more logical sense is, that just like in other movies, he actually wanted the audience to see him fighting or blocking blaster fire... instead of the audience going... huh. So, post something from Lucas in his commentary or an interview saying the jedi can only move and real movie time speed or you've lost the argument. We do not see a faster combat speed ever. We also see Kenobi take on Jango and he was unable to fight at a higher speed as well. The Jedi were fighting for their lives so why would they fight slower than their potential ? It logically makes no sense. Jedi were dying, sport.

I see them as roughly the same but lasers don't travel at bullet speed. We also see Kenobi is slower than a missile reaction.

Films and series only. We see them in real time and you dismiss it in favor of hyperbolic statements which are commonplace to describe the scenes in flowery language. Onus is on you to prove the real time of the feats and the common sense of the order 66 rapping Jedi is indisputable fact. Flowery language in a book isn't.

I havent read last 8 pages but how does the team even last 30 seconds? He can just force hold and lightning right? I mean, Im confused as how the team is even able to get within arms reach of him. Lightning ftw, spite thread.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I havent read last 8 pages but how does the team even last 30 seconds? He can just force hold and lightning right? I mean, Im confused as how the team is even able to get within arms reach of him. Lightning ftw, spite thread. Prove these claims with a clip of him doing so. This isn't let's debate what we would do with these powers and script the fight.

HYG again:

-7hBZNsPnyg

01.47 Using the Force to hold opponents - check

02:44 Using the Force to forcibly shove/slam an opponent - check

04:24 Using the Force to rag-doll an opponent into submission to the point he's left whimpering on the floor (Maul) - check

04:41 Using Force-lightning on an opponent - check

Originally posted by quanchi112
We do not see a faster combat speed ever. We also see Kenobi take on Jango and he was unable to fight at a higher speed as well. The Jedi were fighting for their lives so why would they fight slower than their potential ? It logically makes no sense. Jedi were dying, sport.

I see them as roughly the same but lasers don't travel at bullet speed. We also see Kenobi is slower than a missile reaction.

Films and series only. We see them in real time and you dismiss it in favor of hyperbolic statements which are commonplace to describe the scenes in flowery language. Onus is on you to prove the real time of the feats and the common sense of the order 66 rapping Jedi is indisputable fact. Flowery language in a book isn't.

Yes he did, he fought the emperor who was force enhancing his speed. The same emperor who blitzed three acclaimed Jedi of the order with his speed. He was able to keep up with him just fine. Are you now claiming Jango can move as fast as the emperor can?

Incorrect, I just cited movies BASED ON REAL LIFE EVENTS, depict missiles and bullets so they audience can see them. Im' asking you.. for the 3rd time... does that mean they move slower than in real life because the director has us see them?

No I dismiss them based on the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. The same EXACT person who made the film, also tirelessly went over the book. He had them move that fast in the book to show their speed. You're claiming that was just flowery language and the movie is actually how fast they move. Well then the onus is on you to prove that was Lucas' intention. YOUR view on the matter counts for nothing. I have the creator and director of the movie we're discussing edit and approve books about the same movies, where without ambiguity he stated how fast they can move. If you have any proof from Lucas that it was just flowery language and the movie time is actually how fast they move... they post the proof. If not, I'll be accepting your concession that this is just another example in a long line of example where they want the audience to see what's going on so they intentionally slow things down to that end. Simple.

Originally posted by Robtard
HYG:

-7hBZNsPnyg

01.47 Using the Force to hold opponents - check

02:44 Using the Force to forcibly shove/slam an opponent - check

04:24 Using the Force to basically rag-doll an opponent into submission to the point he's left whimpering on the floor (Maul) - check

04:41 Using Force-lightning on an opponent - check So nothing as to what he claimed. We have already seen these clips. Focus needs to be maintained on force powers so suggesting force hold while shooting Lightning has not been proven, kiddo. You tried and failed as usual. It's your thing. Now rage loop and exit the thread.

Stop fail-trolling like an angry ladyboy(you can't), Shadow specially said Sidious can use the Force to hold and Force-lightning. That clip shows Sidous holding, shoving, rag-dolling and lighting up opponents.

The clip > your claims

-7hBZNsPnyg

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yes he did, he fought the emperor who was force enhancing his speed. The same emperor who blitzed three acclaimed Jedi of the order with his speed. He was able to keep up with him just fine. Are you now claiming Jango can move as fast as the emperor can?

Incorrect, I just cited movies BASED ON REAL LIFE EVENTS, depict missiles and bullets so they audience can see them. Im' asking you.. for the 3rd time... does that mean they move slower than in real life because the director has us see them?

No I dismiss them based on the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. The same EXACT person who made the film, also tirelessly went over the book. He had them move that fast in the book to show their speed. You're claiming that was just flowery language and the movie is actually how fast they move. Well then the onus is on you to prove that was Lucas' intention. YOUR view on the matter counts for nothing. I have the creator and director of the movie we're discussing edit and approve books about the same movies, where without ambiguity he stated how fast they can move. If you have any proof from Lucas that it was just flowery language and the movie time is actually how fast they move... they post the proof. If not, I'll be accepting your concession that this is just another example in a long line of example where they want the audience to see what's going on so they intentionally slow things down to that end. Simple. We see Palpatine didn't move that quickly just quicker than the shitty Jedi could account for. We can time out those laughably slow moves they couldn't account for if you'd like.

At no point did I say missiles or bullets but the one example of Kenobi was too slow to react to a missile which drove him back. And Jedi aren't faster than lasers either. Repeating yourself without understanding what's being discussed isn't debating.

The same guy who directed the film and had the technology to show force speed. He did in tpm. He didn't show it here. I've explained it. Movies are fine to be watched they don't ever require a book to get. You can continue to ignore timing but you're a fanboy so I wouldn't expect anything else.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop fail-trolling like an angry ladyboy(you can't), Shadow specially said Sidious can use the Force to hold and Force-lightning. That clip shows Sidous holding, shoving, rag-dolling and lighting up opponents.

The clip > your claims

-7hBZNsPnyg Show him doing them simultaneously. That's the claim. It's like someone claiming Jango can shoot his laser guns, his flame thrower, and punch while showing clips of him doing so and then claiming he does so simultaneously. Proof is required.

Right onto that strawman, good to see you concede to me already.

This clip is all you need to know how Sidious wins here:

-7hBZNsPnyg

You should probably get around to actually watching it, it's a good one. Maul is left whimpering on the floor like a coward