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The Squadron Supreme think they are right to believe they are judge and jury in the all new all different Marvel landscape. Are they in the right To judge and issue there own punishment by death to all heads of the Illuminati and the Cabal!?


The Squadron Supreme has just beheaded Namor! Hyperion has lifted all of Atlantis above ground and tossed it into the dessert like hot garbage! The fallout from all this will be huge!

This is where the saying that "violence begets violence" really comes into play...


Each is reasoned to be blamed..

- Is Attilian next? How long before the Inhumans get the visit from the SS? After all Blackbolt as a member of the Illuminati was responsible for a lot of the decisions that led to the destruction of some of the other earths.

- Dr Strange? He is the one that obliterated all her friends in the first place.

- Beast puts the X-Men in danger for his roll in the Illuminati fallout..

- Starks, the Avengers and Shield!?


- Wakanda? T'challa is the one that put the group together and helped design and build the bombs. While T'challa and Wakanda and Namor and Atlantis were on two totally different Levels of conflict beteeen the 2. Wakanda that has withstood a Phoenix empowered Namor and Two assaults from Thanos's army, and still stood strong. Plus T'challa's intellect make him a way more dangerous opponent than Namor. Your talking about a dude that put his own wife (An Omega Level Mutant) on ice in a matter of seconds, you think he won't have noticed what happened to Namor and taken the appropriate precautions? Plus if Squadron Supreme popped off on T'challa there is no way he wouldn't use the Ultimates, and Blue Marvel can go toe to toe with Hyperion! And the rest of the Ultimates aren't exactly push overs either. So if Squadron Supreme even thought about attacking Wakanda, it wouldn't go well for them , because they've already wasted the element of surprise on Namor.. Maybe! (No Galactus)

- Thanos and the Cabal.. Proxima Midnight, Gravies, Terrax, Black Swan and Maximus are to play for there crimes.


Does the Squadron Supreme clear everything above in that order, one at a time or do they die trying?

If you look at this as a story and not just as a battle in current Marvel U.. . After what the Squadron Supreme just did to Atlantis and its King!

There is no way the Avengers can ignore this without looking like ineffectual losers. It would be the same as when they used to ignore all the major events that had to do with the Mutants like Genosha in the old days, and the way the Avengers are set up these days it just will not work. They should be after the Squadron in force after this.

I like this thread. Reckon they get to Wakanda, then stop when BPcalls his buddies in.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I like this thread. Reckon they get to Wakanda, then stop when BPcalls his buddies in.




Thanks Darky



I tell you what looking at this like rea life shit...

You don't respond to war crime with a bigger war crime. And now they have thousands of Atlanteans survivors hate-filled more than ever against the surface world, and rightly so. The SS have just created a lot of future terrorists, but seriously it's hard to root for the Squadron Supreme at this point..

Who is going to take in all them Atlantean refugees?

They wanted to make Namor suffer, before killing him, but at what price? Making his people homeless!

Bunch of D,?ks lol

Well as the ole saying goes, when you fight with a monster(s) you become a monster(s) (hence Namors beheading) so they (Squadron Supreme) seem intent on going after all the geads of the Illuminati and the Cabal, of which includes the All New All Different Avengers, New Avengers, Uncanny Avengers, A-Force, and ultimately the Ultimates, so they all have a bullseye on their proverbial heads (literally speaking) and what of all the other members of the Cabal (Thanos is not Namor folks, nor will he be such easy pickings) and what of the last Illuminati team members, what drama!!

To me it shows that the world has gone mad, in ANAD Marvel, if this sort of violence is cheered. It means that the traditional structure of the MU has severely , that the SS can act on old rivalries, in this brutal manner to a supposed ally of Earth. This is a whole step away from the 616 by adding the SS to ANAD Marvel, Nobody is safe under this circumstance. These people, (the Squadron Supreme), are now the Illuminati. They set themselves up as knowing better than anybody else, and as the Issue Zero showed, the SS are monitoring every team on Earth in case they step out of line, and need to be eliminated. The SS are the ANAD-Thor Corps, without having any God Doom to instruct them..



Ok im done lol


Can the Squadron Supreme clear this list?

Put the bottle down !

A bigger war crime? Surely not. A city and a few casualties are a small consequence compared to the destruction of one's planet. Sure, the Atlanteans have now been left homeless and displaced, and are almost certainly full of feelings of hatred and resentment towards the surface world. Understandably so. With that said, in their current state they are little threat to the surface, and even if Atlantean justice were to be dealt out upon the world there are more than enough heroes capable of quelling such attacks. Besides, there are other members of the royal family out there capable of leading the Atlanteans away from violent action; a path (considering their already tentative relationship with the surface world) that is in their own best interest.

Now, concerning the fallen king. Let's not pretend Namor was much more than a narcissistic, arrogant and self-serving opportunist whom played whatever part made him look better or suited his agenda and people best. He was however a decent monarch and to a broader extent - character, one whose absence will be felt. However, he was the architect of his own undoing. You don't get to walk away scot-free from the kind of actions he took while with the Illuminati and Cabal. Let's not forget his hypocrisy in the first issue of the Squadron Supreme alone either. He has the audacity to suggest that their action against Atlantis was little more than base revenge yet when Hyperion wrecks Atlantis, Namor in turn shows his true colors when he is overcome by rage and murderous intent, seeking revenge for his and his people's loss, which is somehow justified in his mind. Yet, he thinks them mad. Too bad he is cut short...

Namor took it upon himself to act as judge, jury and executioner. He judged that destroying someone else's planet to save his own was the lesser of two evils, he decided his actions were necessary and then he pressed the button. He played god and paid a hefty price. It isn't very pleasant when the tables are turned. He was judged in much the same manner and as a result he suffered a very similar fate, one which he saw himself fit to press upon others. At least his people were given a chance. They may be homeless and without a king but they still have their lives. Countless opportunities remain for them. The oceans are vast and filled with riches - they can rebuild. Their hope has not been extinguished. Namor on the other hand, didn't show the same clemency to the people of Doctor Spectrum's world.

At this point, having made their intentions astoundingly clear, reasoning with the team would be futile. Perhaps if Thor were around he could talk Hyperion down, which would affect the team's dynamic dramatically and diminish their firepower drastically, and maybe even end their crusade much quicker and with less bloodshed but aside from that I don't see how this doesn't end in some sort of calamity.

Currently, I don't believe there are many heroes/teams residing on Earth-616 that have what it takes to put down/away such a determined and powerful team. Hyperion's potential alone makes him a beast on his own, even if he's lacking combat feats, but when you pair that with a roster of equally dangerous people (albeit in very different ways) at his side, it makes for a formidable adversary. Focusing just on the most obvious threat - Hyperion, there are very few who can contend with him. Two of the most obvious and go-to choices are: Hulk (Cho) whom has too little experience, and the current Thor whom has done very little to convince me she could do much more than hold him off for a period of time.

The Ultimates are a formidable team in their own right. Black Panther's intelligence and resources, Spectrum's speed, Captain Marvel's experience and Binary powers, Ms. America's ambiguous yet seemingly impressive powers and finally Blue Marvel's own impressive intellect and powers which affords him at least peer status to Hyperion are not to be taken lightly. Blue Marvel is obviously the biggest threat on the team, having fought versions of Hyperion already, he's proven he can hang. However, this particular Hyperion has been consistently depicted from his very first appearance as arguably the strongest incarnation of the character yet. So yes, Blue Marvel has fought a Hyperion or two before, but he hasn't scuffled with this guy before.

Jim/Steve's Avenger team on the other hand, are rife with experience but certainly lacking the brute-force necessary to physically engage with the SS on even terms. Rogue stands the best chance, but with the Squadron's level of monitoring they would surely be aware of her powers and have countermeasures should they need to deal with her. An aged Steve, even with all his experience poses little threat, Synapse is still too green and very little is known about her, Deadpool is basically a non-factor, Jim doesn't have the damage output to hurt Hyperion in any significant way, Quicksilver might have a speed advantage considering his fluctuating speed levels and Hyperion's ill-defined speed and finally Doctor Voodoo presents a significant variable as this Hyperion hasn't really dealt with magic.

Other teams like the X-Men probably wouldn't want to paint a target on their back considering their track record of being hunted down for one reason or another. They already have enough enemies. The New Avengers sans Squirrel Girl and her obvious hax just don't cut it. The ANADA are an equally new team but this team consists of a few comparatively inexperienced teenagers. Tony's a wildcard with his ever-evolving armor and Nova's been pushed quite a bit lately in terms of power but the rest minus Thor aren't stacking up to a serious Hyperion. This is obviously all speculation and based on my opinions but this is how I perceive how these heroes/teams would fare. Now with that in mind, none of this is taking the other Squadron members into account. With them it's pretty much a whole different story. I'll give you that Wakanda and the Cabal are probably too much for the Squadron as is, in regards to their current tactics.

It's my opinion that to beat a team as resolute and unhesitating as this, the others would have to combine forces and pool their resources given the downsized nature of the current teams, both in numbers and seemingly overall power. Not to mention that the majority of these teams are also new and still learning to be competent as a whole. A good plan and overwhelming numbers could do the job but probably not without significant casualties.

Lastly it irks me how quick the other heroes are to judge. Very few of them have experienced this kind of loss. They now see villains (or just shy from it) in place of heroes, but really they are just misguided. They're like orphans clinging to any semblance of belonging and safety, doing whatever they have to to ensure that what little they have isn't taken from them again. Some of these characters are known to be great heroes. Hyperion for example has proven himself an honorable man with a deep understanding of moral and philosophical ideologies and has put these very ideals to the test. He doesn't take life lightly and is more than willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. He did so just recently before being brought back along with Earth-616. It seems this one action overrides all the heroic deeds he's done in the name of his new home. Next, imagine how traumatizing it must have been for Doctor Spectrum for her to become like this. She comes from a world where a utopia wasn't a pipe dream but little more than hop, skip and jump away. She was a part of a team who wouldn't even consider the things the Illuminati did, even though her team and world were facing the same desperate situation. Meanwhile the other former Illuminati members and their contributions to what happened are overlooked by their peers. Perhaps it's because they are such prominent people; long standing heroes with good reputations as such. It might just be more convenient to let let it slide and forget. Who knows. They are always preaching accountability but many are just hypocrites.

The Squadron Supreme's actions, good or bad, justified or not, will be entertaining to see play out at the very least.

Dear devil.

Ha. Yeah... At the very least the paragraphs are reasonably short.

Boredom is my enemy and perhaps you were just the first casualty.

Hell yeah, I like this kinda stuff. Cant go in depth since Im on my phone though. Theyre team isnt powerful enough to stand against Ultimates or some Avengers teams imo. I mean they got Hype, the rest are good but they cant hang with some of the heavy hitters without prep. Except for the new wizard (forgot her name for a sec), but she only has a few feats.
I could make a decent debate on a combo of Doc Green and Jane Foster ripping that team to shreds pretty quickly.

As far as the other teams. Ultimates are pretty much most stacked imo with one hh and like 2-3 mh or lw depending on where u put them. Dont see them taking this fight.

Doc Strange. With their own wizard that already hung with him so yeah.

Avengers, theyre gonna need more than hype to to take on anything with hulk, a thor that speedblitzes almost everytime with mjolnir and wrecks multiple opponents at a time. And with Stark or Cap providing their own prep..yeah, still not taking the originals.

Thanos solos.

As far as the right to judge, hell no. Almost every major hero in Marvel has committed more and worse attrocities than the villians. There has been multiple rewritings of the universe to suit one particular heros particular needs. Hell, my boy Thor has gotten drunk and destroyed the earth or ****ed with time to cover up shit he did drunk on more than one occassion.

Very few of them have thebright to judgebanybody, the majority of them deserve execution or lifelong imprisonment.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
A bigger war crime? Surely not. A city and a few casualties are a small consequence compared to the destruction of one's planet. Sure, the Atlanteans have now been left homeless and displaced, and are almost certainly full of feelings of hatred and resentment towards the surface world. Understandably so. With that said, in their current state they are little threat to the surface, and even if Atlantean justice were to be dealt out upon the world there are more than enough heroes capable of quelling such attacks. Besides, there are other members of the royal family out there capable of leading the Atlanteans away from violent action; a path (considering their already tentative relationship with the surface world) that is in their own best interest.

Now, concerning the fallen king. Let's not pretend Namor was much more than a narcissistic, arrogant and self-serving opportunist whom played whatever part made him look better or suited his agenda and people best. He was however a decent monarch and to a broader extent - character, one whose absence will be felt. However, he was the architect of his own undoing. You don't get to walk away scot-free from the kind of actions he took while with the Illuminati and Cabal. Let's not forget his hypocrisy in the first issue of the Squadron Supreme alone either. He has the audacity to suggest that their action against Atlantis was little more than base revenge yet when Hyperion wrecks Atlantis, Namor in turn shows his true colors when he is overcome by rage and murderous intent, seeking revenge for his and his people's loss, which is somehow justified in his mind. Yet, he thinks them mad. Too bad he is cut short...

Namor took it upon himself to act as judge, jury and executioner. He judged that destroying someone else's planet to save his own was the lesser of two evils, he decided his actions were necessary and then he pressed the button. He played god and paid a hefty price. It isn't very pleasant when the tables are turned. He was judged in much the same manner and as a result he suffered a very similar fate, one which he saw himself fit to press upon others. At least his people were given a chance. They may be homeless and without a king but they still have their lives. Countless opportunities remain for them. The oceans are vast and filled with riches - they can rebuild. Their hope has not been extinguished. Namor on the other hand, didn't show the same clemency to the people of Doctor Spectrum's world.

At this point, having made their intentions astoundingly clear, reasoning with the team would be futile. Perhaps if Thor were around he could talk Hyperion down, which would affect the team's dynamic dramatically and diminish their firepower drastically, and maybe even end their crusade much quicker and with less bloodshed but aside from that I don't see how this doesn't end in some sort of calamity.

Currently, I don't believe there are many heroes/teams residing on Earth-616 that have what it takes to put down/away such a determined and powerful team. Hyperion's potential alone makes him a beast on his own, even if he's lacking combat feats, but when you pair that with a roster of equally dangerous people (albeit in very different ways) at his side, it makes for a formidable adversary. Focusing just on the most obvious threat - Hyperion, there are very few who can contend with him. Two of the most obvious and go-to choices are: Hulk (Cho) whom has too little experience, and the current Thor whom has done very little to convince me she could do much more than hold him off for a period of time.

The Ultimates are a formidable team in their own right. Black Panther's intelligence and resources, Spectrum's speed, Captain Marvel's experience and Binary powers, Ms. America's ambiguous yet seemingly impressive powers and finally Blue Marvel's own impressive intellect and powers which affords him at least peer status to Hyperion are not to be taken lightly. Blue Marvel is obviously the biggest threat on the team, having fought versions of Hyperion already, he's proven he can hang. However, this particular Hyperion has been consistently depicted from his very first appearance as arguably the strongest incarnation of the character yet. So yes, Blue Marvel has fought a Hyperion or two before, but he hasn't scuffled with this guy before.

Jim/Steve's Avenger team on the other hand, are rife with experience but certainly lacking the brute-force necessary to physically engage with the SS on even terms. Rogue stands the best chance, but with the Squadron's level of monitoring they would surely be aware of her powers and have countermeasures should they need to deal with her. An aged Steve, even with all his experience poses little threat, Synapse is still too green and very little is known about her, Deadpool is basically a non-factor, Jim doesn't have the damage output to hurt Hyperion in any significant way, Quicksilver might have a speed advantage considering his fluctuating speed levels and Hyperion's ill-defined speed and finally Doctor Voodoo presents a significant variable as this Hyperion hasn't really dealt with magic.

Other teams like the X-Men probably wouldn't want to paint a target on their back considering their track record of being hunted down for one reason or another. They already have enough enemies. The New Avengers sans Squirrel Girl and her obvious hax just don't cut it. The ANADA are an equally new team but this team consists of a few comparatively inexperienced teenagers. Tony's a wildcard with his ever-evolving armor and Nova's been pushed quite a bit lately in terms of power but the rest minus Thor aren't stacking up to a serious Hyperion. This is obviously all speculation and based on my opinions but this is how I perceive how these heroes/teams would fare. Now with that in mind, none of this is taking the other Squadron members into account. With them it's pretty much a whole different story. I'll give you that Wakanda and the Cabal are probably too much for the Squadron as is, in regards to their current tactics.

It's my opinion that to beat a team as resolute and unhesitating as this, the others would have to combine forces and pool their resources given the downsized nature of the current teams, both in numbers and seemingly overall power. Not to mention that the majority of these teams are also new and still learning to be competent as a whole. A good plan and overwhelming numbers could do the job but probably not without significant casualties.

Lastly it irks me how quick the other heroes are to judge. Very few of them have experienced this kind of loss. They now see villains (or just shy from it) in place of heroes, but really they are just misguided. They're like orphans clinging to any semblance of belonging and safety, doing whatever they have to to ensure that what little they have isn't taken from them again. Some of these characters are known to be great heroes. Hyperion for example has proven himself an honorable man with a deep understanding of moral and philosophical ideologies and has put these very ideals to the test. He doesn't take life lightly and is more than willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. He did so just recently before being brought back along with Earth-616. It seems this one action overrides all the heroic deeds he's done in the name of his new home. Next, imagine how traumatizing it must have been for Doctor Spectrum for her to become like this. She comes from a world where a utopia wasn't a pipe dream but little more than hop, skip and jump away. She was a part of a team who wouldn't even consider the things the Illuminati did, even though her team and world were facing the same desperate situation. Meanwhile the other former Illuminati members and their contributions to what happened are overlooked by their peers. Perhaps it's because they are such prominent people; long standing heroes with good reputations as such. It might just be more convenient to let let it slide and forget. Who knows. They are always preaching accountability but many are just hypocrites.

The Squadron Supreme's actions, good or bad, justified or not, will be entertaining to see play out at the very least.




Wow good read!

This guy gets it!

The amount of sheer savagery was very off putting.

Namor probably got what he deserved, though I thought the head punting was a bit much.

The annihilation of Atlantis was just heartbreaking and very tough to witness.

Pretty much f'"k Hyperion at this point lol

They are extremists who are deluding themselves into believing they're are righteous

I was perfectly fine with killing Namor, but destroying Atlantis and killing all those innocents...

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I was perfectly fine with killing Namor, but destroying Atlantis and killing all those innocents...
I thought Hype let the Atlanteans escape before he destroyed Atlantis...

Anyways I'll take this team.

http://www.talkcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/tumblr_ntahrtDJho1sbe86eo1_1280.jpg

Yeah, your right, I imagine there was still casualties though.

And he took away innocent peoples homes andnlivelyhood. Damn near a death sentence in a world that hates u

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought Hype let the Atlanteans escape before he destroyed Atlantis...

Anyways I'll take this team.

http://www.talkcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/tumblr_ntahrtDJho1sbe86eo1_1280.jpg





This is a problem the Ultimates will have to deal with..


Shpuld be a good showdown

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought Hype let the Atlanteans escape before he destroyed Atlantis...

Anyways I'll take this team.

http://www.talkcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/tumblr_ntahrtDJho1sbe86eo1_1280.jpg
Love the art. Love Monica and Adam's costume design.

Yeah, my money is on that team too.

Originally posted by zopzop
Love the art. Love Monica and Adam's costume design.

Yeah, my money is on that team too. the ultimate would wreck shop if they had galactus help them.

They should wreck the SS without him. smart bet would just be for Blue Marvel and a binary Carol Danvers jump hype to be safe even though I think BM could split with him. Both Miss. America and Spectrum are fast enough to take out blur and the others by themselves. And t'challa does stuff to somewhere because he isnt needed here. I dont know, he chats it up with Galan while he tells BP he doesent care about mortals etc.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
They should wreck the SS without him.
This. Namor wasn't doing too bad all by himself (till Hyperion got involved).

The Ultimates wreck even sans Galactus.

I think that the SS and the Ultimates are going to come into conflict sooner rather than later. I know that the Uncanny Avengers are looking to go against the SS but I doubt that goes well for the UA team.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
A bigger war crime? Surely not. A city and a few casualties are a small consequence compared to the destruction of one's planet. Sure, the Atlanteans have now been left homeless and displaced, and are almost certainly full of feelings of hatred and resentment towards the surface world. Understandably so. With that said, in their current state they are little threat to the surface, and even if Atlantean justice were to be dealt out upon the world there are more than enough heroes capable of quelling such attacks. Besides, there are other members of the royal family out there capable of leading the Atlanteans away from violent action; a path (considering their already tentative relationship with the surface world) that is in their own best interest.

Now, concerning the fallen king. Let's not pretend Namor was much more than a narcissistic, arrogant and self-serving opportunist whom played whatever part made him look better or suited his agenda and people best. He was however a decent monarch and to a broader extent - character, one whose absence will be felt. However, he was the architect of his own undoing. You don't get to walk away scot-free from the kind of actions he took while with the Illuminati and Cabal. Let's not forget his hypocrisy in the first issue of the Squadron Supreme alone either. He has the audacity to suggest that their action against Atlantis was little more than base revenge yet when Hyperion wrecks Atlantis, Namor in turn shows his true colors when he is overcome by rage and murderous intent, seeking revenge for his and his people's loss, which is somehow justified in his mind. Yet, he thinks them mad. Too bad he is cut short...

Namor took it upon himself to act as judge, jury and executioner. He judged that destroying someone else's planet to save his own was the lesser of two evils, he decided his actions were necessary and then he pressed the button. He played god and paid a hefty price. It isn't very pleasant when the tables are turned. He was judged in much the same manner and as a result he suffered a very similar fate, one which he saw himself fit to press upon others. At least his people were given a chance. They may be homeless and without a king but they still have their lives. Countless opportunities remain for them. The oceans are vast and filled with riches - they can rebuild. Their hope has not been extinguished. Namor on the other hand, didn't show the same clemency to the people of Doctor Spectrum's world.

At this point, having made their intentions astoundingly clear, reasoning with the team would be futile. Perhaps if Thor were around he could talk Hyperion down, which would affect the team's dynamic dramatically and diminish their firepower drastically, and maybe even end their crusade much quicker and with less bloodshed but aside from that I don't see how this doesn't end in some sort of calamity.

Currently, I don't believe there are many heroes/teams residing on Earth-616 that have what it takes to put down/away such a determined and powerful team. Hyperion's potential alone makes him a beast on his own, even if he's lacking combat feats, but when you pair that with a roster of equally dangerous people (albeit in very different ways) at his side, it makes for a formidable adversary. Focusing just on the most obvious threat - Hyperion, there are very few who can contend with him. Two of the most obvious and go-to choices are: Hulk (Cho) whom has too little experience, and the current Thor whom has done very little to convince me she could do much more than hold him off for a period of time.

The Ultimates are a formidable team in their own right. Black Panther's intelligence and resources, Spectrum's speed, Captain Marvel's experience and Binary powers, Ms. America's ambiguous yet seemingly impressive powers and finally Blue Marvel's own impressive intellect and powers which affords him at least peer status to Hyperion are not to be taken lightly. Blue Marvel is obviously the biggest threat on the team, having fought versions of Hyperion already, he's proven he can hang. However, this particular Hyperion has been consistently depicted from his very first appearance as arguably the strongest incarnation of the character yet. So yes, Blue Marvel has fought a Hyperion or two before, but he hasn't scuffled with this guy before.

Jim/Steve's Avenger team on the other hand, are rife with experience but certainly lacking the brute-force necessary to physically engage with the SS on even terms. Rogue stands the best chance, but with the Squadron's level of monitoring they would surely be aware of her powers and have countermeasures should they need to deal with her. An aged Steve, even with all his experience poses little threat, Synapse is still too green and very little is known about her, Deadpool is basically a non-factor, Jim doesn't have the damage output to hurt Hyperion in any significant way, Quicksilver might have a speed advantage considering his fluctuating speed levels and Hyperion's ill-defined speed and finally Doctor Voodoo presents a significant variable as this Hyperion hasn't really dealt with magic.

Other teams like the X-Men probably wouldn't want to paint a target on their back considering their track record of being hunted down for one reason or another. They already have enough enemies. The New Avengers sans Squirrel Girl and her obvious hax just don't cut it. The ANADA are an equally new team but this team consists of a few comparatively inexperienced teenagers. Tony's a wildcard with his ever-evolving armor and Nova's been pushed quite a bit lately in terms of power but the rest minus Thor aren't stacking up to a serious Hyperion. This is obviously all speculation and based on my opinions but this is how I perceive how these heroes/teams would fare. Now with that in mind, none of this is taking the other Squadron members into account. With them it's pretty much a whole different story. I'll give you that Wakanda and the Cabal are probably too much for the Squadron as is, in regards to their current tactics.

It's my opinion that to beat a team as resolute and unhesitating as this, the others would have to combine forces and pool their resources given the downsized nature of the current teams, both in numbers and seemingly overall power. Not to mention that the majority of these teams are also new and still learning to be competent as a whole. A good plan and overwhelming numbers could do the job but probably not without significant casualties.

Lastly it irks me how quick the other heroes are to judge. Very few of them have experienced this kind of loss. They now see villains (or just shy from it) in place of heroes, but really they are just misguided. They're like orphans clinging to any semblance of belonging and safety, doing whatever they have to to ensure that what little they have isn't taken from them again. Some of these characters are known to be great heroes. Hyperion for example has proven himself an honorable man with a deep understanding of moral and philosophical ideologies and has put these very ideals to the test. He doesn't take life lightly and is more than willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. He did so just recently before being brought back along with Earth-616. It seems this one action overrides all the heroic deeds he's done in the name of his new home. Next, imagine how traumatizing it must have been for Doctor Spectrum for her to become like this. She comes from a world where a utopia wasn't a pipe dream but little more than hop, skip and jump away. She was a part of a team who wouldn't even consider the things the Illuminati did, even though her team and world were facing the same desperate situation. Meanwhile the other former Illuminati members and their contributions to what happened are overlooked by their peers. Perhaps it's because they are such prominent people; long standing heroes with good reputations as such. It might just be more convenient to let let it slide and forget. Who knows. They are always preaching accountability but many are just hypocrites.

The Squadron Supreme's actions, good or bad, justified or not, will be entertaining to see play out at the very least.

This was very well-written and I agree.