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Kylo as of TFA, Khan from Into Darkness. Fight takes place in the Geonosis arena. Who wins? If 5 minutes pass a beast gets unleashed in the arena.

Kylo completely immobilizes Khan (which *someone* said was never done in the movies), then ignites his sabre through Khan's chest.

Kylo ragdolls him

Blasting Rey high into that tree while injured, and being fast enough to halt a blaster bolt in mid air while Khan has zero speed feats me he dies.

He can also immobilize him or mindrape him

B-b- beat Klingons!!1!!11!!!

Kylo's best feat to me was when he stopped that blaster beam before it hit him. That proves his reaction time is superhumanly fast.

In a straight up brawl with no Saber or Force powers, Khan has a chance of winning.

Kylo Ren takes this imo, 7.5-8/10. He's just more versatile than Khan.

Kylo Ren, based on feats and screen actions, absolutely slaughters Khan.

This is one thread where I think Khan wins or at very least has a good chance. I know he was already injured, but there's no reason for Kylo to have any trouble with Finn then get beat by someone with just discovered her force powers. Kylo doesn't remotely compare to Vader, much less Darth Maul.

Are you implying Darth Maul is better than Darth Vader? Perhaps in a saber duel, but Anakin is one of the best Force users ever.

Just saw TFA. Freakin Awesome. I would defintlly go Kylo Ren here.

I knew this would happen. lmao..


anyways, Kylo curbstomps with the greatest of ease

This is a non-fight, Khan has no chance.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Are you implying Darth Maul is better than Darth Vader? Perhaps in a saber duel, but Anakin is one of the best Force users ever. Lol, no. Meant the other way around. Darth Vader >>> Darth Maul.

Khan wins you bunch of cry babies.

By his Force feats alone Kylo wins

KHANNNNNNNNNN

Khan is a loser.

Hmmmmmm.

Quan, having doubts about Khan in this fight?

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Quan, having doubts about Khan in this fight? No doubts whatsoever. Just making you tools wait if I even decided to give you my answer.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Quan, having doubts about Khan in this fight?

Quan knows that Khan is a loser, it's part of the reason quan likes him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Quan knows that Khan is a loser, it's part of the reason quan likes him. Ridiculous. But continue to just marvel at me.

You mean marvel at your level of bias and ability to ignore reality?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You mean marvel at your level of bias and ability to ignore reality? Based on ?

KHAN WINZ YOU PUSSYS!

Originally posted by Silent Master
Quan knows that Khan is a loser, it's part of the reason quan likes him.

Khan gets crushed.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Khan gets crushed. You do not even post here, pretender. You are just doing your typical trolling and hate both characters.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Khan gets crushed.

You already conceded to Quan with that apology thread, that means your done posting here.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You already conceded to Quan with that apology thread, that means your done posting here.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You already conceded to Quan with that apology thread, that means your done posting here.

Never conceded to him. Can't concede to someone you continuously beat. I know we have one troll here. Don't be another.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Never conceded to him. Can't concede to someone you continuously beat. I know we have one troll here. Don't be another. You have never won and publically conceded. You've been mocked for it. No one respects you and they all treat you like a harmless and buffoonish idiot. It's quite amusing.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You already conceded to Quan with that apology thread, that means your done posting here. hey time when your jerking quan off does he tell u what hand to use or does he let u decide that for yourself?

Originally posted by Raptor22
hey time when your jerking quan off does he tell u what hand to use or does he let u decide that for yourself?

I don't even know who you are. But I will tell you that you and King spend a lot of time imagining grown men jerking each other off.

And please don't talk to me again. You ain't worth my time, Piss ant

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I don't even know who you are. But I will tell you that you and King spend a lot of time imagining grown men jerking each other off.

And please don't talk to me again. You ain't worth my time, Piss ant i hope quan gave u permission to say this. I wouldnt want u to get in trouble with ur master.

Khan loses again.

Originally posted by Raptor22
i hope quan gave u permission to say this. I wouldnt want u to get in trouble with ur master.

Look at this stupid troll trying to get attention.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Khan loses again.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Look at this stupid troll trying to get attention. lol. Do u really expect to be able to go from thread to thread riding quans jock and not get mocked for it.

Shut up already, I was making jokes, the problem with you is your a outsider and no one likes you.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Shut up already, I was making jokes, the problem with you is your a outsider and no one likes you. oh look his feelings r hurt. Sry little buddy didnt mean to make u cry

Are you done ******? perhaps you should kill yourself and the world would be a better place. Now you only look like a embarrassed troll and you have derailed the thread. I see you came to just pick a fight, reported.

Everyone STFU with the trolling. Yes, EVERYONE IS TROLLING.

Back to topic.

Is giving Kylo Ren a 10/10 victory being to generous to Khan? should it be 100/10 instead?

So khan has no chance here?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial


So khan has no chance here?


well so tell us how khan wins???

assuming you actually saw The Force Awakens , then you would know that Kylo takes this really easy

Originally posted by Silent Master
Is giving Kylo Ren a 10/10 victory being to generous to Khan? should it be 100/10 instead?

100/10 in Kylo's favor is prolly generous too lol

Khan always wins duh

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Khan always wins duh

lmao

OK, cool, finally someone Ill give Kylo Ren a win over.

Are you ready for the answer ?

Can't Kylo just freeze him

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Can't Kylo just freeze him Are you asking me ?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Can't Kylo just freeze him

Yes, he can.

Kylo beats his chest and throws a temper Tantrum


Then presumes to win

Khan massacres him.

Khan beats this pussy down

Khan has never beaten a pussy in his life, he's all about the D. that's why thedkeffect likes him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Khan has never beaten a pussy in his life, he's all about the D. that's why thedkeffect likes him. Wuit lying Robbie doesn't even like NuKhan he likes Old Khan.

Kylo may even be able to tank Khan's punches. He took a direct hit from Chewie's bowcaster that was launching everyone else that got hit like ragdolls. It barely pushed him back.

Originally posted by KingD19
Kylo may even be able to tank Khan's punches. He took a direct hit from Chewie's bowcaster that was launching everyone else that got hit like ragdolls. It barely pushed him back. Was he wearing armor ?

No. Kylo only wore robes and his helmet. That's obvious when Rey is slicing into him and when Chewie shoots him.

Originally posted by KingD19
No. Kylo only wore robes and his helmet. That's obvious when Rey is slicing into him and when Chewie shoots him. The point is it didn't hit his flesh directly. His skin isn't more durable than anyone else's if his species. That isn't how the force works, sport.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Kylo as of TFA, Khan from Into Darkness. Fight takes place in the Geonosis arena. Who wins? If 5 minutes pass a beast gets unleashed in the arena.

Ren should wins this easily

Originally posted by juggerman
Ren should wins this easily Are you prepared to argue why ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you prepared to argue why ?

Will you be arguing against Ren?

Originally posted by juggerman
Will you be arguing against Ren? Hoe does Ren win ? Answer me don't cower away from the argument.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hoe does Ren win ? Answer me don't cower away from the argument.

So you aren't actually interested in a debate but want others to present arguments for you? Makes not a lick of sense. Ren wins. If you disagree let it be known and we can discuss it. If you agree STFU

Originally posted by juggerman
So you aren't actually interested in a debate but want others to present arguments for you? Makes not a lick of sense. Ren wins. If you disagree let it be known and we can discuss it. If you agree STFU Khan shoots him down. Nothing has changed. People assuming Ren wins here are forgetting about Khan in his film and what he'd do to Ren. Khan kills him. Make no mistake.

Kylo Ren wins, all he has to do is freeze Khan and it's been proven he can freeze low level force weilders and Khan has no defenses to it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan shoots him down. Nothing has changed. People assuming Ren wins here are forgetting about Khan in his film and what he'd do to Ren. Khan kills him. Make no mistake.

Khan has no defense against Ren freezing him in place. Or any other force related power. Khan loses hard.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Kylo Ren wins, all he has to do is freeze Khan and it's been proven he can freeze low level force weilders and Khan has no defenses to it. Have you examined the evidence of the films, coward ?

Originally posted by juggerman
Khan has no defense against Ren freezing him in place. Or any other force related power. Khan loses hard. Did Poe get a shot off ?

Are you ironically frozen in fear from responding ?

Quan who wins?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Quan who wins? Khan.

That a boy

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
That a boy I wanted to let the fanboys pound their chests before I snatched their hearts.

One line and juggerman still can't counter. He's weak.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is it didn't hit his flesh directly. His skin isn't more durable than anyone else's if his species. That isn't how the force works, sport.

Oh yeah, a cotton robe is really gonna stop a blaster cannon. Troopers in armor were getting flung through the air, Kylo got blasted in the stomach and just stood there. He was even bleeding from the wound later.

The force works in mysterious ways. But we know people can enhance themselves with it so once again you're just wrong lol.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did Poe get a shot off ?

Are you implying Khan will be hiding and waiting until Ren has his back turned and is focused on others to attack. Not a great plan

Originally posted by juggerman
Are you implying Khan will be hiding and waiting until Ren has his back turned and is focused on others to attack. Not a great plan Did Rey get off a shot ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did Rey get off a shot ?

Did Rey hit him?

Originally posted by juggerman
Did Rey hit him? Chewie did. But you're clearly missing the point. Care to continue ?

Don't give up Juggs, you got this.:

Originally posted by quanchi112
Chewie did. But you're clearly missing the point. Care to continue ?



For Chewie see the response for Poe

Originally posted by juggerman
For Chewie see the response for Poe So you admit Khan will get to fire his weapon.


He was hit by Chewie so one out of two. 50 percent. That's an F.

Okay so Kylo freezes a bolt coming from behind him in mid-air, and casually blocks or dodges any other bolts sent his way, even from Rey. But when Chewie hits him after he's distracted from just murdering his father and getting over his extreme conflicting feelings both in life and the Force, that totally counts? You're such a dumb.

The delays are telling. I have to leave in 20 so let's hurry up, boy.

Originally posted by KingD19
Okay so Kylo freezes a bolt coming from behind him in mid-air, and casually blocks or dodges any other bolts sent his way, even from Rey. But when Chewie hits him after he's distracted from just murdering his father and getting over his extreme conflicting feelings both in life and the Force, that totally counts? You're such a dumb. You are such a dumb ???? Irony.

Rey just learned how to fire her weapon moments ago. He let her fire multiple shots. That isn't insta freezing. He still let Poe fire first as he did in all instances.

Evidence supports me like it always does.

I didn't finish on purpose. Most people would know what that means.

Yeah she just learned to fire it and sniped like half a dozen Stormtroopers with no scope from her weird looking pistol with her arm fully extended. She's a master marksman at this point just like she's a badass in everything else she does.

I never said he insta-froze bolts. I said he could freeze them, and he did. Considering the reaction from everyone when he stopped Poe's blast, it was for dramatic effect. But he could stop Khan's blast, or just stop Khan. What defense does Khan have against the Force? None? Thought so.

Also like I pointed out, Kylo tanked a bowcaster bolt with barely a step backward. Regular guys were sent flying like they got hit with a force push.

Originally posted by KingD19
I didn't finish on purpose. Most people would know what that means.

Yeah she just learned to fire it and sniped like half a dozen Stormtroopers with no scope from her weird looking pistol with her arm fully extended. She's a master marksman at this point just like she's a badass in everything else she does.

I never said he insta-froze bolts. I said he could freeze them, and he did. Considering the reaction from everyone when he stopped Poe's blast, it was for dramatic effect. But he could stop Khan's blast, or just stop Khan. What defense does Khan have against the Force? None? Thought so.

Also like I pointed out, Kylo tanked a bowcaster bolt with barely a step backward. Regular guys were sent flying like they got hit with a force push. No, you didn't know any better because you didn't make any sense.

No, she's a good shot not a master marksman. Khan guns him down. Hell, Finn injured Kylo with a much slower attack despite being untrained with a saber. Kylo ****ed up.

Khan's gun destroys ships, dude. Blasters in Star Wars can't even really damage the outdated Millenium Falcon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit Khan will get to fire his weapon.


He was hit by Chewie so one out of two. 50 percent. That's an F.

2 out of your 3 examples are when he is focused elsewhere. It's very sad this is your "evidence"

Originally posted by quanchi112
The delays are telling. I have to leave in 20 so let's hurry up, boy.

Life remember? You'll have a life some day

Originally posted by juggerman
2 out of your 3 examples are when he is focused elsewhere. It's very sad this is your "evidence"



Life remember? You'll have a life some day When he was focused he didn't force freeze right out of the gate and he let her fire multiple times.

I'm better than you. Your debating is awful tbh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he was focused he didn't force freeze right out of the gate and he let her fire multiple times.

I'm better than you. Your debating is awful tbh.

You tried to use two different scenarios where Ren had no clue he was about to be fired on, one of which he spun around and stopped the bolt dead AFTER it had been fired, as evidence Khan could fire. This just might just be your saddest troll moment

Originally posted by juggerman
You tried to use two different scenarios where Ren had no clue he was about to be fired on, one of which he spun around and stopped the bolt dead AFTER it had been fired, as evidence Khan could fire. This just might just be your saddest troll moment I looked at all three instances of someone shooting at him. Why would I ignore the evidence ?

The time he saw his opponent he let Rey fire multiple times. Doesn't get any clearer than that. So admit Khab fires multiple shots. I want to hear you say it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I looked at all three instances of someone shooting at him. Why would I ignore the evidence ?

The time he saw his opponent he let Rey fire multiple times. Doesn't get any clearer than that. So admit Khab fires multiple shots. I want to hear you say it.

2 out of the 3 fired before Ren knew they were there. You trying to use it as evidence here is laughable. By the same standards, Khan gave up to Kirk so he'll give up to anyone. Context not needed derp

Originally posted by juggerman
2 out of the 3 fired before Ren knew they were there. You trying to use it as evidence here is laughable. By the same standards, Khan gave up to Kirk so he'll give up to anyone. Context not needed derp I just stated when Kylo was aware he let her fire. The context is clear. At no point did he ever force freeze someone before they shot. That's what trolls claim such as yourself. Not one example.

Kirk still lost the fight.

You're the worst.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just stated when Kylo was aware he let her fire. The context is clear. At no point did he ever force freeze someone before they shot. That's what trolls claim such as yourself. Not one example.

Kirk still lost the fight.

You're the worst.

You used 2 examples where Ren was shot at while focused elsewhere. Again this is sad even for you

Khan conceded. Kirk wins via submission. Context unnecessary

Originally posted by juggerman
You used 2 examples where Ren was shot at while focused elsewhere. Again this is sad even for you

Khan conceded. Kirk wins via submission. Context unnecessary See what I mean you can't answer the question because you're a shitty debater. In the one instance he was aware of his foe he let her shoot. I use evidence to back my claims.

Khan didn't fight back to get his crew back. He later kicked the shit out of Kirk in a fight you idiot. You're awful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
See what I mean you can't answer the question because you're a shitty debater. In the one instance he was aware of his foe he let her shoot. I use evidence to back my claims.

Khan won to get his crew back. He later kicked the shit out of Kirk in a fight you idiot. You're awful.

He wanted Rey alive. Again context is not your friend.

Khan submitted like a weak feeb. We don't need no context just like with Chewie and Poe firing a shot

Originally posted by juggerman
He wanted Rey alive. Again context is not your friend.

Khan submitted like a weak feeb. We don't need no context just like with Chewie and Poe firing a shot He still didn't force freeze her right away. He eventually did but never has he done it right out of the hate.

Khan gave himself up and Kirk came to him for his aid. Amazing. Rey resisted Kylo and made him throw a hissy.


I don't ignore evidence but at no point does he ever force freeze before a shot is fired. Evidence talks, nerd.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still didn't force freeze her right away. He eventually did but never has he done it right out of the hate.

Khan gave himself up and Kirk came to him for his aid. Amazing. Rey resisted Kylo and made him throw a hissy.


I don't ignore evidence but at no point does he ever force freeze before a shot is fired. Evidence talks, nerd.

He still did it. He has no reason to delay especially when he's actively trying to kill Khan. Force freeze for the win

Khan quit. Stop trying to add context when you wanted to ignore it elsewhere. Stay consistent for once in your life boy.

Rey resisting doesn't affect this match so another pointless post from you

Originally posted by juggerman
He still did it. He has no reason to delay especially when he's actively trying to kill Khan. Force freeze for the win

Khan quit. Stop trying to add context when you wanted to ignore it elsewhere. Stay consistent for once in your life boy.

Rey resisting doesn't affect this match so another pointless post from you So you want to pretend he does so first when force freezing her at first doesn't change the end result of him force freezing her.

Khan still won a fight he didn't throw a punch. Finn injured Kylo. Kinda weak even with the injury. Why didn't he foresee freeze him ?

Rey whipped his ass too. He lost while armed and badly to her.

You can't dismiss the evidence because you're a fanboy. At no point does he ever force freeze first. Ever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you want to pretend he does so first when force freezing her at first doesn't change the end result of him force freezing her.

Khan still won a fight he didn't throw a punch. Finn injured Kylo. Kinda weak even with the injury. Why didn't he foresee freeze him ?

Rey whipped his ass too. He lost while armed and badly to her.

You can't dismiss the evidence because you're a fanboy. At no point does he ever force freeze first. Ever.

So you're saying this is a turned based game where Ren has to attack second? Guess Khan can't fire his guns until the Enterprise crew is surrounded too. Force freeze for the win

Khan quit and allowed himself to get captured. If they wanted to kill him they could have easily. So he'll submit to Ren and hope to escape later. Sounds good

He toyed with Fin. Sure if he toyed with Khan, while having a hole blown in his side then sure Khan might be able to take a win or two

He force pushed Rey and KO'd her instantly. Guess you forgot about that part too. Force push for the win

Never once does Khan fire his big guns until he can sneak attack. Since he can't sneak attack here, he won't fire. I can do this all day

Originally posted by juggerman
So you're saying this is a turned based game where Ren has to attack second? Guess Khan can't fire his guns until the Enterprise crew is surrounded too. Force freeze for the win

Khan quit and allowed himself to get captured. If they wanted to kill him they could have easily. So he'll submit to Ren and hope to escape later. Sounds good

He toyed with Fin. Sure if he toyed with Khan, while having a hole blown in his side then sure Khan might be able to take a win or two

He force pushed Rey and KO'd her instantly. Guess you forgot about that part too. Force push for the win

Never once does Khan fire his big guns until he can sneak attack. Since he can't sneak attack here, he won't fire. I can do this all day I am saying Khan fires first consistently against his foes. Kylo doesn't force freeze first at any point in the entire film.

Khan manipulated despite being captured. He later beat the **** out of Kirk.

Finn still injured him so he ****ed up because he didn't intend on being grazed by the lightsaber. He didn't forc freeze him either and got hit by a much slower attack and an untrained light saber user.

i agree Rey was hit hard and ko'd meaning she wasn't at her best after she came to later own Ren. Khan's cellular regeneration has tanked far better than a force push into a tree.

The Klingons were engaged in the battle. He shot first on the entire battlefield. He shot mid battle you dummy. Kylo had his Stormtroopers secure the bulk of the resistance there. Must be nice to run around with squadrons of Stormtroopers to have your back while Khan did it alone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying Khan fires first consistently against his foes. Kylo doesn't force freeze first at any point in the entire film.

Khan manipulated despite being captured. He later beat the **** out of Kirk.

Finn still injured him so he ****ed up because he didn't intend on being grazed by the lightsaber. He didn't forc freeze him either and got hit by a much slower attack and an untrained light saber user.

i agree Rey was hit hard and ko'd meaning she wasn't at her best after she came to later own Ren. Khan's cellular regeneration has tanked far better than a force push into a tree.

The Klingons were engaged in the battle. He shot first on the entire battlefield. He shot mid battle you dummy. Kylo had his Stormtroopers secure the bulk of the resistance there. Must be nice to run around with squadrons of Stormtroopers to have your back while Khan did it alone.



He fired on unsuspecting foes. They were concentrated on the Enterprise crew when Khan attacked. Khan will have no distraction to take advantage of here and therefore will not fire

Khan submitted. Canon.

He was also injured and toying with Fin. Are you of the assumption that Ren at 100% and trying to kill Fin would have been grazed? If not then your point is moot

So you agree that Ren can and has attacked first? Glorious

Khan waited to open fire until his target was focused on a third party. There is no third party here therefore Khan won't attack first. Don't ignore movie canon

Originally posted by juggerman
He fired on unsuspecting foes. They were concentrated on the Enterprise crew when Khan attacked. Khan will have no distraction to take advantage of here and therefore will not fire

Khan submitted. Canon.

He was also injured and toying with Fin. Are you of the assumption that Ren at 100% and trying to kill Fin would have been grazed? If not then your point is moot

So you agree that Ren can and has attacked first? Glorious

Khan waited to open fire until his target was focused on a third party. There is no third party here therefore Khan won't attack first. Don't ignore movie canon They were firing on Khan as well. We see Khan trio some and fire onto some right next to him. Did you see the film ? The enterprise crew watched in awe while he took them down.


Khan wanted to save his crew. Khan won a fight against Kirk without even fighting back. Amazing.

He got injured by Finn. A stormtrooper beat his ass with saber. Why didn't Kylo force freeze him ? He didn't kill Finn either.

Yes, a force push but she came back and whipped his ass.

Has Ren ever force frozen anyone he didn't want to later interrogate ?



Feel the context suffocating you.

How does that feel ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were firing on Khan as well. We see Khan trio some and fire onto some right next to him. Did you see the film ? The enterprise crew watched in awe while he took them down.

Are you saying he didn't only begin attacking the Klingons when they were distracted? I can post the clip for you if you'd like.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wanted to save his crew. Khan won a fight against Kirk without even fighting back. Amazing.

Khan submitted. Canon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He got injured by Finn. A stormtrooper beat his ass with saber. Why didn't Kylo force freeze him ? He didn't kill Finn either.

I see you avoided my question. Concession accepted

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, a force push but she came back and whipped his ass.

So Ren can and does attack first. Thanks for another concession

Originally posted by quanchi112
Has Ren ever force frozen anyone he didn't want to later interrogate ?

Has Khan ever used those big guns on anything besides Klingons?

Originally posted by quanchi112


Feel the context suffocating you.

How does that feel ?

Context has never been your friend.

Originally posted by juggerman
Are you saying he didn't only begin attacking the Klingons when they were distracted? I can post the clip for you if you'd like.



Khan submitted. Canon.



I see you avoided my question. Concession accepted



So Ren can and does attack first. Thanks for another concession



Has Khan ever used those big guns on anything besides Klingons?



Context has never been your friend. I am saying he didn't kill all of the Klingons before they could return fire. They got eight more Klingons mid battle. Should I post the clip ? In a battle someone has to fire first, dummy.

Khan still won the fight without fighting back. Kylo lost to a girl.

You just avoided my question. Why didn't Kylo force freeze Finn ?

With a force push not a force freeze, sure. I never said he couldn't attack first I said he never force froze anyone first. Pay attention, kid.

Klingon ships.

Has Ren ever stopped more than one blast being fired at him ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying he didn't kill all of the Klingons before they could return fire. They got eight more Klingons mid battle. Should I post the clip ? In a battle someone has to fire first, dummy.

So you admit he didn't begin his attack until the target was distracted. Good good. Well seeing as Ren won't be distracted, Khan won't attack. Quan logic 101

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan still won the fight without fighting back. Kylo lost to a girl.

Khan submitted. Canon. And I seem to recall Uhura putting a hurting on Khan but of course let's just skim past that little detail

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just avoided my question. Why didn't Kylo force freeze Finn ?

That was already answered, He was toying with Fin. To go even deeper since you need the scene spelled out for you like a buffoon, Ren toyed with Fin because Fin was a traitor and cost them everything they worked for. He won't be toying with Khan

Originally posted by quanchi112
With a force push not a force freeze, sure. I never said he couldn't attack first I said he never force froze anyone first. Pay attention, kid.

So he can and does attack first. Check.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Klingon ships.

Anything else? Humans maybe?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Has Ren ever stopped more than one blast being fired at him ?

Kinda hard to fire more than one shot when you are force frozen

I'll just leave this here

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo force freezes him and kills him. That's relevant, boy.

Hahaha Just like I proved on these boards years ago Yoda would instantly freeze Khan. And now a far inferior force user to Khan has proven he can do that as well. And in Live Action no less

Originally posted by juggerman
So you admit he didn't begin his attack until the target was distracted. Good good. Well seeing as Ren won't be distracted, Khan won't attack. Quan logic 101



Khan submitted. Canon. And I seem to recall Uhura putting a hurting on Khan but of course let's just skim past that little detail



That was already answered, He was toying with Fin. To go even deeper since you need the scene spelled out for you like a buffoon, Ren toyed with Fin because Fin was a traitor and cost them everything they worked for. He won't be toying with Khan



So he can and does attack first. Check.



Anything else? Humans maybe?



Kinda hard to fire more than one shot when you are force frozen He didn't just have one target. There were multiple Klingons. Kylo Ren had the Stormtroopers secure the space before he even exited his ship. That's weak. He let his troops secure the area. He also had his troops accompany him. Get the facts straight.

See this is why no one can take you seriously. You're a moron. Khan still won the fight without fighting back while Finn injured Kylo.

Finn injured him. So you say he toys with guys who **** up his shoulder. Based off your opinion he's an idiot. Think next time you buffoon.

He wanted to kill Finn. He failed to do so. Ren was destroyed by Rey in fair combat. A girl one on one despite being ko'd came to and destroyed him.

Not with a force freeze. You don't even catch my point. I'll have to dumb it down for you, moron.

So your new claim is that he's phsyailly unable to shoot at a human ? We've seen him shoot humans so why the hell do you say moronic things ?

Ren shot multiple shots. Evidence. Can poe's gun fire multiple successive shots ?

Originally posted by juggerman
I'll just leave this here Khan shoots him and kills him. That's what the evidence points to. Both Ren and Poe lived, noob.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hahaha Just like I proved on these boards years ago Yoda would instantly freeze Khan. And now a far inferior force user to Khan has proven he can do that as well. And in Live Action no less That is what he did to a weaker opponent with the same skill set and without a gun. I destroyed your whiny Star Wars hating ass years ago. Go back to hating on the force awakens you loser.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't just have one target. There were multiple Klingons. Kylo Ren had the Stormtroopers secure the space before he even exited his ship. That's weak. He let his troops secure the area. He also had his troops accompany him. Get the facts straight.

See this is why no one can take you seriously. You're a moron. Khan still won the fight without fighting back while Finn injured Kylo.

Finn injured him. So you say he toys with guys who **** up his shoulder. Based off your opinion he's an idiot. Think next time you buffoon.

He wanted to kill Finn. He failed to do so. Ren was destroyed by Rey in fair combat. A girl one on one despite being ko'd came to and destroyed him.

Not with a force freeze. You don't even catch my point. I'll have to dumb it down for you, moron.

So your new claim is that he's phsyailly unable to shoot at a human ? We've seen him shoot humans so why the hell do you say moronic things ?

Ren shot multiple shots. Evidence. Can poe's gun fire multiple successive shots ?

So going by your "he can only do this as he did in the movie" logic, Khan will wait for Ren to be distracted before he decides to engage

I'm glad you realise your logic is the shits

He didn't toy with Fin?

He toyed with Fin AND was injured. You seem to have forgotten that part. But you sure were quick to point it out in another thread. Almost like you are only downplaying Ren to try to make someone else look better.......

And by that logic Khan can only shoot at Klingons and their ships as he didn't fire(with those big guns) at anything else.

That's what your logic dictates yes.

When did Ren shoot multiple shots?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan shoots him and kills him. That's what the evidence points to. Both Ren and Poe lived, noob.

You already agree Ren can freeze and kill easily. You are my disciple

Originally posted by juggerman
So going by your "he can only do this as he did in the movie" logic, Khan will wait for Ren to be distracted before he decides to engage

I'm glad you realise your logic is the shits

He didn't toy with Fin?

He toyed with Fin AND was injured. You seem to have forgotten that part. But you sure were quick to point it out in another thread. Almost like you are only downplaying Ren to try to make someone else look better.......

And by that logic Khan can only shoot at Klingons and their ships as he didn't fire(with those big guns) at anything else.

That's what your logic dictates yes.

When did Ren shoot multiple shots?



You already agree Ren can freeze and kill easily. You are my disciple Quit misrepresenting my argument because yours is just pure utter trash.

Khan fired on Spock without him being distracted and easily disarmed him. Khan also killed Klingons bum rushing and engaging him. He didn't kill them all before they mounted a counter offensive nor before they deployed 8 more troops. Khan was on his own. Kylo had Stormtroopers also accompany and secure Poe after the force freeze.


He did toy with him but also took a hit to the shoulder showing his judgment is bad in combat situations.

He was injured but Finn was clearly a joke with a lightsaber.

Ren was inexperienced and full of irrational emotion during the entire film. He was a headcase.

False. Khan fires on a threats trying to kill him. He doesn't need Stormtroopers to aid him. Kylo also didn't force freeze Rey before she fired multiple shots so when he's aware he does it even slower than when he turns around. Evidence. Chewie also nailed him.

Watch the film. Rey fired more than once. Your ignorance is astounding.

Not before Khan kills him. Loki isn't Khan. Khan guns him down. Ffs Chewie nailed him.

When has Ren ever frozen multiple blaster shots ?


Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit misrepresenting my argument because yours is just pure utter trash.

I'm not. You stated Ren can only do as he has done in the film. By that stance you have to agree Khan is held to the same standards. If not then you are clearly biased.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan fired on Spock without him being distracted and easily disarmed him. Khan also killed Klingons bum rushing and engaging him. He didn't kill them all before they mounted a counter offensive nor before they deployed 8 more troops. Khan was on his own. Kylo had Stormtroopers also accompany and secure Poe after the force freeze.

He fired at a weapon. So we have Klingons, Klingon ships and a gun. As Ren is none of these things, your logic dictates Khan cannot fire on him. Yeah your logic does suck bud

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did toy with him but also took a hit to the shoulder showing his judgment is bad in combat situations.

Gald you were able to admit he toyed with him. Concession accepted

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was injured but Finn was clearly a joke with a lightsaber.

Glad you were able to admit he was injured. Concession accepted

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ren was inexperienced and full of irrational emotion during the entire film. He was a headcase.

Experienced enough to froce freeze for the win

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Khan fires on a threats trying to kill him. He doesn't need Stormtroopers to aid him. Kylo also didn't force freeze Ren before she fired multiple shots so when he's aware he does it even slower than when he turns around. Evidence. Chewie also nailed him.

Again with the Chewie stuff. Are you under the impression that Ren will have just kill Solo and not know Khan is there. Seems like the only way you think he will win is via sneak attack.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the film. Rey fired more than once. Your ignorance is astounding.

You said "Ren" dum dum

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not before Khan kills him. Loki isn't Khan. Khan guns him down. Ffs Chewie nailed him.

Force freeze for the win. Also Chewie

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Ren ever frozen multiple blaster shots ?

Who said he would be firing shots here?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins.

Khan loses again

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not. You stated Ren can only do as he has done in the film. By that stance you have to agree Khan is held to the same standards. If not then you are clearly biased.



He fired at a weapon. So we have Klingons, Klingon ships and a gun. As Ren is none of these things, your logic dictates Khan cannot fire on him. Yeah your logic does suck bud



Gald you were able to admit he toyed with him. Concession accepted



Glad you were able to admit he was injured. Concession accepted



Experienced enough to froce freeze for the win



Again with the Chewie stuff. Are you under the impression that Ren will have just kill Solo and not know Khan is there. Seems like the only way you think he will win is via sneak attack.



You said "Ren" dum dum



Force freeze for the win. Also Chewie



Who said he would be firing shots here?



Khan loses again I didn't say that at any point. That's you misrepresenting it. I always argue these characters fight in character. You admit Ren despite wanting to kill Finn wanted to toy with him. At no point does he just try to kill anyone right out of the gate. That's a Khan thing.

He fired on the weapon because he didn't want to kill him. He was going to give himself up to get secure his men because he knew they were in the torpedoes and still alive. That is irrelevant to Ren vs. Khan. Khan shoots people dead who try to oppose him. Ren will be shot dead. Ren will try to kill Khan but he doesn't force freeze Finn. He had no force powers. He didn't force freeze Rey immediately either. I am arguing based off his actions and what's in character. You aren't.

And by admitting so that shows he isn't ruthless and is clearly stupid since Finn a shitty lightsaber guy ****ed his shoulder up with one. A stormtrooper beat Finns ass with the lightsaber. I also never said he wasn't injured. You're clearly an idiot.



Not right out of the gate. He's never done so and Finn hurt him. You already conceded he did.

I am going over the evidence. He still has precog and yet was still just blasted. Without Stormtroopers present to have his back he was hit. Khan took on far more opponents in the Kronos scene and no one ever shot him. Weak. Finn later hurt him and Rey destroyed him in combat.

So despite knowing Rey is the one with the gun and there being one letter difference you couldn't figure it out. Astounding.

That isn't likely looking at the evidence. He lets people fire on him like Rey. Khan guns him down. Chewie hit him.

So you haven't seen khan kill Klingons.

We also saw Rey fire multiple shots when he's aware of his foe.

Khan wins despite your inability to form an argument. Breathe, guy.

Keep hiding, juggerman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say that at any point. That's you misrepresenting it. I always argue these characters fight in character. You admit Ren despite wanting to kill Finn wanted to toy with him. At no point does he just try to kill anyone right out of the gate. That's a Khan thing.

That's your stance. You just get upset when it's turned around on you. Ren wanted to toy with Fin. This is clear since seconds earlier he KO'd Rey with a single push. Kepp up

Originally posted by quanchi112
He fired on the weapon because he didn't want to kill him. He was going to give himself up to get secure his men because he knew they were in the torpedoes and still alive. That is irrelevant to Ren vs. Khan. Khan shoots people dead who try to oppose him. Ren will be shot dead. Ren will try to kill Khan but he doesn't force freeze Finn. He had no force powers. He didn't force freeze Rey immediately either. I am arguing based off his actions and what's in character. You aren't.

He can and has used force powers out of the gate. He's fast enough to freeze bolts in mid air while his back was turned and unprepared for them. Khan getss merked

Originally posted by quanchi112
And by admitting so that shows he isn't ruthless and is clearly stupid since Finn a shitty lightsaber guy ****ed his shoulder up with one. A stormtrooper beat Finns ass with the lightsaber. I also never said he wasn't injured. You're clearly an idiot.

Your concession was already accepted. Move along

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not right out of the gate. He's never done so and Finn hurt him. You already conceded he did.

Your concession was already accepted. Move along

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am going over the evidence. He still has precog and yet was still just blasted. Without Stormtroopers present to have his back he was hit. Khan took on far more opponents in the Kronos scene and no one ever shot him. Weak. Finn later hurt him and Rey destroyed him in combat.

So unless you want to argue Khan is hiding and Ren is maybe eating breakfast and unaware of Khan then it doesn't matter what happened when Chewie got him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So despite knowing Rey is the one with the gun and there being one letter difference you couldn't figure it out. Astounding.

I know that you're an idiot. You said Ren and I said Ren and you still needed your stupidity pointed out to you

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't likely looking at the evidence. He lets people fire on him like Rey. Khan guns him down. Chewie hit him.

I'll just start taking any mention of Chewie hitting him as you accepting it will take Khan sneak attacking him to work.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you haven't seen khan kill Klingons.

Did he start his attack when the Klingons were focused on him?

Originally posted by quanchi112
We also saw Rey fire multiple shots when he's aware of his foe.

We also know his intent wasn't to kill/injure her. It Khan he has no such hindrance

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins despite your inability to form an argument. Breathe, guy.

Khan loses despite your buttrage

Originally posted by quanchi112
Keep hiding, juggerman.

I'm your world

Originally posted by juggerman
That's your stance. You just get upset when it's turned around on you. Ren wanted to toy with Fin. This is clear since seconds earlier he KO'd Rey with a single push. Kepp up



He can and has used force powers out of the gate. He's fast enough to freeze bolts in mid air while his back was turned and unprepared for them. Khan getss merked



Your concession was already accepted. Move along



Your concession was already accepted. Move along



So unless you want to argue Khan is hiding and Ren is maybe eating breakfast and unaware of Khan then it doesn't matter what happened when Chewie got him.



I know that you're an idiot. You said Ren and I said Ren and you still needed your stupidity pointed out to you



I'll just start taking any mention of Chewie hitting him as you accepting it will take Khan sneak attacking him to work.



Did he start his attack when the Klingons were focused on him?



We also know his intent wasn't to kill/injure her. It Khan he has no such hindrance



Khan loses despite your buttrage



I'm your world My stance is always consistent yours isn't. You ignored all three instances of someone firing on Ren. He did try to toy with Finn and got his shoulder ****ed up because he's not that great. Finn is shit with a saber as well which makes it even worse despite his injury.

He is fast enough to freeze one bolt. He's never frozen two. Don't lie. He also had Stormtroopers secure him. He does not have Stormtroopers here. Khan also fires multiple shots as did Rey when he was aware of his foe.

You can't rebut Finn hurting him or excuse it after a random stormtrooper beat the shit out of him with a lightsaber.

You don't have a single instance of him force freezing anyone before they shot. Undeniable facts, sport.

Yes, it does as there were two instances. One hit him and one didn't. Only one shot was fired in both instances. Rey fired multiple shots when he was aware thus proving Khan fires multiple shots since he's aware he was taking Rey on and will take Khan on.


So despite one letter being off and I referenced shooting you didn't get it. You are dumb.

Chewie hit him. You want to dismiss one showing while accepting another when he wasn't aware of both prior to. Facts are facts. They both count.



Why would he ? He's intelligent unlike Ren who got ****ed up by Finn. Khan didn't kill them all before they could attack so he just killed a few first and killed well over 10 after the fact. In battle shooting first is intelligent you neanderthal.

He still force froze her so he could have done the same thing immediately. I didn't say force freeze then kill but since he still force froze her it undermines your point. He's never force frozen and killed right afterwards. I will allow it but it isn't in character to do so right out of the gate. Evidence matters.





Khan wins and as I said you're just another blip on my radar. You just post against me I post against many posters so that's ironic you said that, kid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My stance is always consistent yours isn't. You ignored all three instances of someone firing on Ren. He did try to toy with Finn and got his shoulder ****ed up because he's not that great. Finn is shit with a saber as well which makes it even worse despite his injury.

He is fast enough to freeze one bolt. He's never frozen two. Don't lie. He also had Stormtroopers secure him. He does not have Stormtroopers here. Khan also fires multiple shots as did Rey when he was aware of his foe.

You can't rebut Finn hurting him or excuse it after a random stormtrooper beat the shit out of him with a lightsaber.

You don't have a single instance of him force freezing anyone before they shot. Undeniable facts, sport.

Yes, it does as there were two instances. One hit him and one didn't. Only one shot was fired in both instances. Rey fired multiple shots when he was aware thus proving Khan fires multiple shots since he's aware he was taking Rey on and will take Khan on.


So despite one letter being off and I referenced shooting you didn't get it. You are dumb.

Chewie hit him. You want to dismiss one showing while accepting another when he wasn't aware of both prior to. Facts are facts. They both count.



Why would he ? He's intelligent unlike Ren who got ****ed up by Finn. Khan didn't kill them all before they could attack so he just killed a few first and killed well over 10 after the fact. In battle shooting first is intelligent you neanderthal.

He still force froze her so he could have done the same thing immediately. I didn't say force freeze then kill but since he still force froze her it undermines your point. He's never force frozen and killed right afterwards. I will allow it but it isn't in character to do so right out of the gate. Evidence matters.





Khan wins and as I said you're just another blip on my radar. You just post against me I post against many posters so that's ironic you said that, kid.

Let's cut all the riff raff child. We can Battle Zone this. End it once and for all after the dvd is released. Will you accept or yield?

Someone just got called out

Quan is a diversionary tactic. He keeps you distracted for a while, but when it comes time for a definitive debate that you can actually lose, he's nowhere to be found, and if he is, refuses to accept obvious defeat.

Originally posted by juggerman
Let's cut all the riff raff child. We can Battle Zone this. End it once and for all after the dvd is released. Will you accept or yield? So after you've seen me put up Khan's argument for years and even in a battlezone the other guy just dipped out of.

We both know you'd end up putting up a battlezone like carver not really even rebutting my points.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Someone just got called out I am kmc.

Originally posted by KingD19
Quan is a diversionary tactic. He keeps you distracted for a while, but when it comes time for a definitive debate that you can actually lose, he's nowhere to be found, and if he is, refuses to accept obvious defeat. So no matter what I do you say I lose hence why you're an emotionally troubled biased fool.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So after you've seen me put up Khan's argument for years and even in a battlezone the other guy just dipped out of.

We both know you'd end up putting up a battlezone like carver not really even rebutting my points.

Is that a yes or an cowardly no? If you believe Khan wins then this should be easy for you

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Someone just got called out

Originally posted by KingD19
Quan is a diversionary tactic. He keeps you distracted for a while, but when it comes time for a definitive debate that you can actually lose, he's nowhere to be found, and if he is, refuses to accept obvious defeat.

Hopefully he'll surprise us and actually go for it

Originally posted by juggerman
Is that a yes or an cowardly no? If you believe Khan wins then this should be easy for you Only if Darth ant concedes the Khan/Palpatine debate I was in the midst of. Not going to finish one Khan battlezone for another just because you issued a battlezone I have expressed no interest in.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Only if Darth ant concedes the Khan/Palpatine debate I was in the midst of. Not going to finish one Khan battlezone for another just because you issued a battlezone I have expressed no interest in.

You have expressed interest in debating Khan vs Ren. Only difference is that you can't troll endlessly in a BZ. Your other BZ has nothing to do with me. As I have said, it does not have to take place now. We'll wait until the DVD release. Gives you plenty of time to settle your current issues

Originally posted by juggerman
You have expressed interest in debating Khan vs Ren. Only difference is that you can't troll endlessly in a BZ. Your other BZ has nothing to do with me. As I have said, it does not have to take place now. We'll wait until the DVD release. Gives you plenty of time to settle your current issues In a debate yes but not in a battlezone. I just posted another issued challenge. No such thing for Ren. He's weak.

It has to do with me and the third time I'll have debated for Khan alone. That's the only way if Darth ant concedes. Issue the proper battlezone thread to offer the challenge to someone else if he does not concede.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In a debate yes but not in a battlezone. I just posted another issued challenge. No such thing for Ren. He's weak.

It has to do with me and the third time I'll have debated for Khan alone. That's the only way if Darth ant concedes. Issue the proper battlezone thread to offer the challenge to someone else if he does not concede.

You're the only one silly enough to back Khan here. I guess I'll just be accepting your concession

Originally posted by juggerman
You're the only one silly enough to back Khan here. I guess I'll just be accepting your concession I will give you one more chance to see if you're serious. I have no interest in this battlezone but clearly this is like your big chance to step up to the big leagues. If you accept the Trek vs either the ot or the pt after the release of Trek Beyond I'll accept your Ren vs. Khan.

So you give me what I want and I'll give you the chance to step to the king. Ball is in your court.

Unlike you I issue public challenges. Step up, chump and debate the king. Do not back down now.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=620933&pagenumber=6#post15541596

If you read the Loki vs Ren thread and then this one right after, it's pretty funny.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
If you read the Loki vs Ren thread and then this one right after, it's pretty funny. I am consistent in both threads, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I will give you one more chance to see if you're serious. I have no interest in this battlezone but clearly this is like your big chance to step up to the big leagues. If you accept the Trek vs either the ot or the pt after the release of Trek Beyond I'll accept your Ren vs. Khan.

So you give me what I want and I'll give you the chance to step to the king. Ball is in your court.

I will openly admit that I know next to nothing about the battle capabilities of these entire universes. But if it's the only way you'll crawl out of your little hole then sure I'll give it a go. Unlike you I don't make excuses to run

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
If you read the Loki vs Ren thread and then this one right after, it's pretty funny.

I know right!!!!! He's so transparent

Originally posted by juggerman
I will openly admit that I know next to nothing about the battle capabilities of these entire universes. But if it's the only way you'll crawl out of your little hole then sure I'll give it a go. Unlike you I don't make excuses to run



I know right!!!!! He's so transparent So you'll do it.

Which would you like to represent ?? Star Wars ot or the pt ?

Just three films vs three Nu Trek films. It won't take long to acquaint yourself and you'll have months until Beyond. We can do it after the DVD release as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you'll do it.

Which would you like to represent ?? Star Wars ot or the pt ?

Just three films vs three Nu Trek films. It won't take long to acquaint yourself and you'll have months until Beyond. We can do it after the DVD release as well.

I'll do it but I'm sure I can't provide as good a stance as others here. I have no real interest in this and am using it as a means to an end

I need to rewatch but I think I'd go with the OT

Originally posted by juggerman
I'll do it but I'm sure I can't provide as good a stance as others here. I have no real interest in this and am using it as a means to an end

I need to rewatch but I think I'd go with the OT Well I have no interest in doing Khan vs another Star Wars character that's why imposed this challenge.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well I have no interest in doing Khan vs another Star Wars character that's why imposed this challenge.

You on the other hand do have an interest in going back and forth about it tho. You clearly care but just don't want to step up and not troll.

I have no real knowledge about SW armada vs ST armada. For all I know after looking into it I might think ST wins. Not really the same imo but hey I'll give it a shot.

These will be happening within a close time frame or do we take some time between them?

Originally posted by juggerman
You on the other hand do have an interest in going back and forth about it tho. You clearly care but just don't want to step up and not troll.

I have no real knowledge about SW armada vs ST armada. For all I know after looking into it I might think ST wins. Not really the same imo but hey I'll give it a shot.

These will be happening within a close time frame or do we take some time between them? I post in multiple threads that doesn't mean I want to do 35 battlezones. They require time and a lot more energy.


Watch the Star Wars films and the NuTrek films and then tell me what you think. We see a lot more Star Wars ships than Trek ships so far.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am consistent in both threads, sport.

Funny how I did not mention you at all, yet you chose to interpret my post as being aimed at you. Now why would someone feel the need to do that?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Funny how I did not mention you at all, yet you chose to interpret my post as being aimed at you. Now why would someone feel the need to do that? Do not insult my intelligence. The best part is how consistent I've been and how upset you're turning out to be.

You sure are getting defensive about a post that doesn't even mention you. But thanks for the lols.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You sure are getting defensive about a post that doesn't even mention you. But thanks for the lols. Nah, it's just amusing seeing you lie to me out of fear. Don't be afraid to speak your mind. Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I post in multiple threads that doesn't mean I want to do 35 battlezones. They require time and a lot more energy.


Watch the Star Wars films and the NuTrek films and then tell me what you think. We see a lot more Star Wars ships than Trek ships so far.

But a BZ will kill the trolling you do. All I want is a troll free debate to see if you can really back your claims.

I will rewatch them. I've seen the Trek films more recently the Wars(barring Episode 6) so I just really need to watch the OT