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Who wins ?

Gandalf

Gandalf wins.

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What exactly has Gandalf done in the movies that puts him above Kylo?

Being able to hold off Sauron for a bit, who destroyed a large tower thing as an indirect use of his power

MADing the Balrog who collapsed Dwarven stonework by walking, and Dwarven stonework has quite the longevity

Originally posted by FrothByte
What exactly has Gandalf done in the movies that puts him above Kylo?

Defeating enemies with actual combat training and above human stats

Originally posted by FrothByte
What exactly has Gandalf done in the movies that puts him above Kylo?

Not been the only person in the history of the galaxy to be injured by a Storm Trooper.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Not been the only person in the history of the galaxy to be injured by a Storm Trooper. Luke has been shot by one as did Leia. Finn also got beat down. Try to be accurate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke has been shot by one as did Leia. Finn also got beat down. Try to be accurate. Aren't you siding with Gandalf here???

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Aren't you siding with Gandalf here??? Kylo wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke has been shot by one as did Leia. Finn also got beat down. Try to be accurate.

Accuracy is for dweebs.... you know that.

Though I am struggling to remember when Luke got shot.

I only recall Stormtroopers shooting at Luke in ESB, not hitting him. The only time I recall Luke being hit was in RotJ, but that was one of Jabbas thugs.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I only recall Stormtroopers shooting at Luke in ESB, not hitting him. The only time I recall Luke being hit was in RotJ, but that was one of Jabbas thugs.


Yep. And he was hit from behind, but Luke still turned and killed him.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Accuracy is for dweebs.... you know that.

Though I am struggling to remember when Luke got shot. Iirc he got shot in ESB.

His plane was shot down, but he was fine.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Not been the only person in the history of the galaxy to be injured by a Storm Trooper.

Ouch

http://www.killsometime.com/content/pictures/files/2910.jpg

Anyway, Gandalf wrecks

Originally posted by Scoobless
Though I am struggling to remember when Luke got shot.

He didn't.

One of Jabba's thugs shot his bionic hand.

Couldn't Kylo simply freeze Gandalf????

Of coarse he could, this thread is stupid, Kylo wins.

1) Gandalf has his own TK.

2) Couldn't Gandalf just short-circuit Kylo's lightsaber...?

Kyla wins. Come at me, Gandalf *******.

Would you like to explain how or why kylo wins?

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Would you like to explain how or why kylo wins? Beats him with the lightsaber.

Gandalf super heats the handle so kylo can't hold it. Now what.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Gandalf super heats the handle so kylo can't hold it. Now what. Kylo force freezes him. This brakes the concentration and he kills Gandalf now.

Gandalf tks him against a wall so he can't move. He then super heats his mask so he looks more like his grandpappy

Chances are the saber would short-circuit real quick...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo force freezes him. This brakes the concentration and he kills Gandalf now.

How does being physically Force-held stop mental activity/thoughts?

*breaks btw

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Gandalf tks him against a wall so he can't move. He then super heats his mask so he looks more like his grandpappy Gandalf didn't even do that to Azog who didn't have tk powers. He also hid up a tree.

I wonder if Gandalf's forcefield - the one he used against Balrog - would work against Force TK.

Originally posted by Robtard
How does being physically Force-held stop mental activity/thoughts?

*breaks btw Throws your concentration off.

You said "brakes" (breaks).

But now that your position has changed to "throws off", proof of this?

Originally posted by Robtard
You said "brakes" (breaks).

But now that your position has changed to "throws off", proof of this? Watch his tk fights whenever his attention is elsewhere he loses his concentration. He couldn't even run and keep Azog in check as he was mocked. No wonder the guy hid up a tree. How embarrassing. It's like he was cucking.

Gandalf the gray or gandalf the white? I don't rrmrmber gtw up a tree.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No wonder the guy hid up a tree.

Kylo did get owned by a random black dude and a noob Force user, keep in mind

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I don't rrmrmber gtw up a tree.

The Unexpected Journey.

Happened in the book, too. So 100% canon.

But what was he supposed to do, solo all those Warg riders... ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch his tk fights whenever his attention is elsewhere he loses his concentration. He couldn't even run and keep Azog in check as he was mocked. No wonder the guy hid up a tree. How embarrassing. It's like he was cucking.

Sorry, that's not supporting your statement with proof; here's why:

-Those fights/encounters he was Gandalf The Grey, a weaker version than the White here

So do you have proof that Force-holding Gandalf the White (not Grey) will break his concentration?

Kylo freezes and chokes him out.

G burns his face off with his own mask.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Kylo did get owned by a random black dude and a noob Force user, keep in mind Kylo beat Finn but he did lose to Rey. She'd own Gabdalf as well with that saber. Kylo will improve in the next film as well.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, that's not supporting your statement with proof; here's why:

-Those fights/encounters he was Gandalf The Grey, a weaker version than the White here

So do you have proof that Force-holding Gandalf the White (not Grey) will break his concentration? Greater power doesn't mean greater concentration. If you feel that's the case then the onus is on you to prove it. We also see the Witch King destroy his staff and it took well over five seconds of Gandalf just sitting there and not doing anything in defense. Evidence.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
G burns his face off with his own mask.

No, Kylo has greater Tk feats and his saber will chop Gandalf staff in half, Gandalf shall not pass.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No, Kylo has greater Tk feats and his saber will chop Gandalf staff in half, Gandalf shall not pass.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Greater power doesn't mean greater concentration. If you feel that's the case then the onus is on you to prove it. We also see the Witch King destroy his staff and it took well over five seconds of Gandalf just sitting there and not doing anything in defense. Evidence.

Incorrect, you're using the defeats of a weaker Gandalf and saying it will be no different than his stronger self.

You'd need to prove that Gandalf the White is the same as Gandalf the Grey, but you can't, since we know The White is more powerful. You made a silly claim without support, learn from this and grow.

Originally posted by Robtard
Incorrect, you're using the defeats of a weaker Gandalf and saying it will be no different than his stronger self.

You need to prove that Gandalf the White is the same as Gandalf the Grey, but you can't, since we know The White is more powerful. You made a silly claim without support, learn from this and grow. You claimed his concentration grew in the white version so the onus is on you.

Debating 101. If you believe his concentration is greater prove it, Rey Mysterio.

Gandalf can't beat a uber force user like Kylo. He got his ass handed to him many times. He ran from Orcs..Kylo would have destroyed them.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Gandalf can't beat a uber force user like Kylo. He got his ass handed to him many times. He ran from Orcs..Kylo would have destroyed them. Robbie can't face the facts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo beat Finn but he did lose to Rey. She'd own Gabdalf as well with that saber. Kylo will improve in the next film as well.

He did beat him, true, but got tagged in the process.

He will improve as Snoke said, but as of now, we use Ep. VII version.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No, Kylo has greater Tk feats and his saber will chop Gandalf staff in half, Gandalf shall not pass.

The saber that can get short-circuited in a second?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The saber that can get short-circuited in a second?

Thank George Lucas he has the force after his saber goes out. He just starts choking and rag dolling people.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did beat him, true, but got tagged in the process.

He will improve as Snoke said, but as of now, we use Ep. VII version. He was also hit before the fight even began. Come on this is just Gandalf the guy who donks orcs on the head with his staff.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You claimed his concentration grew in the white version so the onus is on you.

Debating 101. If you believe his concentration is greater prove it, Rey Mysterio.

I didn't make any such claim, I pointed out that you're using the loses of a lesser character and saying they're the same as the great character. Which is a shit debating tactic you're well known for.

Might as well argue that year one Potter is the same as year seven Potter, since you're arguing that Grey and White Gandalf are the same, when we know they are not. Critical Thinking, learn it.

Originally posted by Robtard
I didn't make any such claim, I pointed out that you're using the loses of a lesser character and saying they're the same. Which is a shit debating tactic you're well known for.

Might as well argue that year one Potter is the same as year seven Potter, since you're arguing that Grey and White Gandalf are the same. Critical Thinking, learn it. You made the claim his concentration improved let wise of course I can use tk feats and the application of tk through the same character.

But let's here why you believe Gandalf is obviously more powerful than the white version. Let's hear your case.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thank George Lucas he has the force after his saber goes out. He just starts choking and rag dolling people.

That's okay, but Gandalf is not defenseless, either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made the claim his concentration improved let wise of course I can use tk feats and the application of tk through the same character.

But let's here why you believe Gandalf is obviously more powerful than the white version. Let's hear your case. What? You really didn't watch these flicks, you keep proving that. The second and third films prove that the White is more powerful than his previous Grey incarnation. The Grey lost to Sarumon, the White defeated him with a few words.

Let me simplify it for you, since you seem to have trouble: Gandalf the White > Gandalf the Grey

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was also hit before the fight even began. Come on this is just Gandalf the guy who donks orcs on the head with his staff.

The guy who solo'd Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn (Aragorn even had Anduril at that point in the books)... humiliated Saruman... killed Durin's Bane (even though it cost him his life).

Gandalf has also one-shotted an Olog-hai...

Originally posted by Robtard
What? You really didn't watch these flicks, you keep proving that. The second and third films prove that the White is more powerful than his previous Grey incarnation. The Grey lost to Sarumon, the White defeated him with a few words.

Let me simplify it for you, since you seem have trouble Gandalf the White > Gandalf the Grey One could also argue he had the authority to banish him from the order which he did. Authority doesn't go hand in hand with greater personal power. What abilities did he exhibit better as the white version ?

He was humiliated by the Witch King who Aragorn himself humiliated with a torch. Do you think being humiliated by the Witch King is greater than the Balrog fight ?

LoL, this simpleton. When something doesn't gel with his bias, it suddenly doesn't count.

Then there's the time he easily slapped around a bunch of Nazgul and their fellbeast while in White form. Watch the films, done explaining things to you.

To recap since you're having serious trouble: Gandalf the White > Gandalf the Grey

Gandalf the Grey needed Fellowship's help to deal with a cave troll and it was Legolas who delivered the killing blow.

Gandalf the White one-shotted an Olog-hai.

It's quite obvious White > Grey.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The guy who solo'd Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn (Aragorn even had Anduril at that point in the books)... humiliated Saruman... killed Durin's Bane (even though it cost him his life).

Gandalf has also one-shotted an Olog-hai... He used light to alter their line of sight and he didn't kill or ko any of them. Saruman was simply banished from the order since he basically abused his power.

This isn't working on the more skilled Kylo. Kylo is much faster and more skilled than the slow and lumbering Balrog.

Blinding Light aura is one of his many spells, yes.

He's no-sold Saruman's fireball and broken his staff all by himself. Possibly getting help from the Ring of Fire, but again, that's his standard equip.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, this simpleton. When something doesn't gel with his bias, it suddenly doesn't count.

Then there's the time he easily slapped around a bunch of Nazgul and their fellbeast while in White form. Watch the films, done explaining things to you.

To recap since you're having serious trouble: Gandalf the White > Gandalf the Grey It counts but your silly perception doesn't count. Learn what words mean. You simply are inept when it comes to debating.

He used light but we see Aragorn rape them in combat and the Witch King humiliated Gandalf the White.

You haven't proven it you basically cried about it without making a legitimate case. Debate or leave.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Blinding Light aura is one of his many spells, yes.

He's no-sold Saruman's fireball and broken his staff all by himself. Possibly getting help from the Ring of Fire, but again, that's his standard equip. Yes, I know. It isn't that impressive at all.

He is highly resistant to fireballs but do you feel he can tank the lightsaber in the same manner ?

Now defeating Sarumon counts, when on the last page you tried to downplay it away, you're really awful at this. I advise you to watch films and pay attention when watching them, you always embarrass yourself.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now defeating Sarumon counts, when on the last page you tried to downplay it away, you're really awful at this. I advise you to watch films and pay attention when watching them, you always embarrass yourself. It does count but he simply had the authority to do so. He banished him from the order.

We also see the Witch King decimate his staff but he couldn't decimate Aragorn's torch.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I know. It isn't that impressive at all.

He is highly resistant to fireballs but do you feel he can tank the lightsaber in the same manner ?

He also fended off numerous Nazguls with Lightstrike.

He won't need to tank it, as he can just heat up Kylo's saber and break it... but if Kylo does come close somehow, Gandalf still has his forcefield. Lightsabers don't have a good track record against those.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He also fended off numerous Nazguls with Lightstrike.

He won't need to tank it, as he can just heat up Kylo's saber and break it... but if Kylo does come close somehow, Gandalf still has his forcefield. Lightsabers don't have a good track record against those. Ok ? A skilled combatant with a torch ran them off. A huge wave also defeated multiple Nazgul.

So you take one feat and apply it across the board. Gandalf is resistant to fire but his force field of light won't help him against the light saber unless you can prove it. Kylo can also force freeze and his feat is better than the arrow feat by leaps and bounds.

His forcefield was durable enough to take a direct attack from Balrog.

I don't think that force field can stop the force

No way to tell.

It's magical, so it very well might.

The force is in everything though. So if this was a mutual verse I don't see how it could shut it out.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His forcefield was durable enough to take a direct attack from Balrog. And yet he was bleeding from tk from Saruman. He is highly resistant to fire based attacks.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The force is in everything though. So if this was a mutual verse I don't see how it could shut it out.

Everything?

Ysalamiri disagree

Who's that

Robbie tucked tail and fled like he always does.

Just like he did for Sanders

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Just like he did for Sanders Maybe it's time for a fresh cucking.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who's that

Creatures that projected Force-repelling bubbles.

Thrawn had one of those on his shoulder. Would be cool for him to appear in Ep. VIII, but it's most likely just a rumour.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Creatures that projected Force-repelling bubbles.

Thrawn had one of those on his shoulder. Would be cool for him to appear in Ep. VIII, but it's most likely just a rumour.

Yeah, the Thrawn storyline (in the books) picked up right after ep 6 when everyone was still young and childless and Luke was still suffering the after effects of being electrocuted by the Emperor.... They could alter it to fit the movies I suppose, it would be cool to see him on screen, but he'd need at least 2 or 3 movies to really shine.

Kylo wins against Gandalf the grey. Loses against Gandalf the white but makes Gandalf work for it.

Rob has officially conceded the thread.

I really don't see how Gandalf has a chance here

Another dead old guy

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I really don't see how Gandalf has a chance here

Another dead old guy

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Thrawn had one of those on his shoulder. Would be cool for him to appear in Ep. VIII, but it's most likely just a rumour.


he is supposed to appear on star wars rebels

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The force is in everything though. So if this was a mutual verse I don't see how it could shut it out.

No. The force is tiny bugs that live in your blood and are deeply concerned over your personal morality.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
No. The force is tiny bugs that live in your blood and are deeply concerned over your personal morality.

Ignorance.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
No. The force is tiny bugs that live in your blood and are deeply concerned over your personal morality.

You don't even know much about star wars or what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You don't even know much about star wars or what you are talking about.

Midiclorians are still canon bro.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Midiclorians are still canon bro. Your point ?

Thats the force as explained by a jedi master. I might have paraphrased a bit

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Thats the force as explained by a jedi master. I might have paraphrased a bit A new Hope is also canon.

Yes it is. Old ben is rather vague about how the force works though.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Yes it is. Old ben is rather vague about how the force works though. No, he wasn't.

It controls your actions but also obeys your commands is the most detailed we got. And nothing he says goes against it being bugs that live in your cells.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
It controls your actions but also obeys your commands is the most detailed we got. And nothing he says goes against it being bugs that live in your cells. It is connected to all things so yeah the force works, sport.

Brcause all things have bugs.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Brcause all things have bugs. Irrelevant.

Completely relrvant.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Completely relrvant. Nah.

Yah

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Yah Double nah.

Yah times infinity

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Yah times infinity Nah times infinity squared.

Yah times infiniry cubed with a cherry on top.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Yah times infiniry cubed with a cherry on top. You went overboard with the cherry which means concession city population you.

Im not sure Id give Kylo the win over Gandalf The Grey, him in his enhanced White make this a win for him, IMO.

Originally posted by DTM
Im not sure Id give Kylo the win over Gandalf The Grey, him in his enhanced White make this a win for him, IMO. Based on ?

Well, I could always say based on its not who youre supporting, which pretty much means its the right choice. Yeah, Ill go with that based on reasoning.

Originally posted by DTM
Well, I could always say based on its not who youre supporting, which pretty much means its the right choice. Yeah, Ill go with that based on reasoning. So you admit you are not objective hence disqualifying your opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You went overboard with the cherry which means concession city population you.

I'm sorry. I didn't know you were scared of cherries....

Based on?

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I'm sorry. I didn't know you were scared of cherries.... It was uncalled for.